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Wednesday, November 4, 2009

What She Said

Posted by on Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Pam Spaulding...

What this loss in Maine (and the victory in Washington State) says to me is that I am so grateful that my civil rights, as a person of color, were not put up to a popular vote. As we've seen over and over in the last year, the emergence of naked racism lives despite laws on the books banning discrimination based on race. Reality-based arguments to people who are raised with bias have little motivation to change their thinking outside of keeping their bigotry out of the realm of law-breaking (and even then—it still occurs!). The feelings simply go underground.

That public expressions of racism have re-emerged and been cultivated by a major political party shows the work the LGBT community has to do as it waits for equality at the federal level. Changing hearts and minds every day is necessary—not just when there's a pending bigoted mob rule ballot measure. LGBTs—and more importantly, allies—need to come out of the closet advocating for equality in ways large and small. It's the only way to move many voters, particularly the ones who think they don't know someone who is gay. Too many politicians who support us privately still don't have the spine to step up their game when our rights are under attack. That has to change.

 

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J-Haxx 1
Amen. The Supreme Court came in and settled this last time, any chance someone can figure out a way to get it there now?
Posted by J-Haxx http://defyaugury.livejournal.com on November 4, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Matt from Denver 2
@ 1, you want to take it to the current SCOTUS? That's asking for trouble.
Posted by Matt from Denver on November 4, 2009 at 1:26 PM
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There needs to be case we can take to the Supreme Court. There has to be one out there that can frame this in simple basic terms --like the racially mixed couple in Louisiana that were told they couldn't get married by some hick justice of the peace because he didn't like the idea of racially mixed marriages..... Civil rights cannot be voted on. They are inherent and not up for debate. If you don't like equal rights (and responsibilities) for everyone go live someplace else!
Posted by ruthw on November 4, 2009 at 1:27 PM
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please do.
oh pretty pretty please do...
Posted by GOP on November 4, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Loveschild 5
Upon having read this, that's lauded by Savage, I am reminded of this:



By Harry R. Jackson, Jr.

July 13, 2009


The following is an excerpt from a letter that will be sent this week to President Obama from leaders in the African-American community. Two events have precipitated the writing of this letter.

1. The President hosted a Stonewall Riot 40th anniversary celebration at the White House, when no such meeting has been afforded to African-American clergy to date.

2. The legal attempt to overthrow the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that has come out of Massachusetts last week.

All too often, both the press and politicians view the African-American community as a monolithic group that will go wherever the cultural winds blow them. This is not true. We want to express our concerns and be heard. The following letter is an attempt to encourage the president to consider our viewpoint on the redefinition of marriage.

“Dear President Obama,

“…Although you have voiced support for marriage as defined as a union between one man and one woman, we are concerned that that your campaign promise to changing the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) will work at cross purposes with your pro-marriage stance.

“We believe that the central domestic problem we face is the disintegration of marriage. One of the organizations we support called Marriage Savers points out that the marriage crisis is comprised of four elements:

1. A lowering of the marriage rate

The marriage rate has plunged 50% since 1970
2. An increase in divorce

Half of all new marriages end in divorce
3. A rise in heterosexual cohabitation

The number of unmarried couples living together has soared 12-fold since 1960
4. A multiplication of unwed births

Out-of wedlock births jumped from 5.3% to 39.6% from 1960-2007
“These statistics show the fragile nature of the institution of marriage today. Changing the definition of marriage will have many unintended consequences, which will hurt generations to come. If one redefines marriage, then the family is redefined. If the family is redefined then the nature of parenting must also be redefined.

“We are concerned that an attempt to recognize and adjust to one group’s sense of alienation may actually confuse future generations of children about their sexuality and blur lines of responsibility in our families. The very definitions of motherhood and fatherhood may be unnecessarily challenged in years to come.

“Same-sex marriage is not a civil right. The laws enacted by Congress during a century of struggle for equal rights for African Americans were intended to eliminate discrimination on the basis of race, not on the basis of an individual’s sexual preferences or personal behavior.

“Advocates of same-sex marriage want people to think that it can peacefully coexist alongside traditional marriage. But it will create a conflict between people of faith who fervently believe in traditional marriage and the law, which says marriage includes those of the same-sex variety. Those conflicts will always be resolved in favor of same-sex marriage because there can be no ‘conscientious objectors’ to the law.

“Mr. President, you say you desire to unify the nation and to change the politics-as-usual status of Washington. We want to believe this statement. As we have looked at both your policies and recent public affirmations, each of us has asked ourselves one question, ‘Is there room enough for people like us in President Obama’s America?’

Many of the people we speak for felt that your disparaging statements during the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall Riot were directed at them. Some of the people with ‘worn out arguments and old attitudes’ are not bigots or homophobes; they are our cultural elders, who are rightfully saying, ‘Don’t tear down a fence until you understand why it’s there.’ Recent studies show that there is a resurgence of hope about marriage among the young people of this generation. Mr. President, let’s keep hope alive…”

We also stated that the California Proposition 8 votes amending the state’s constitution to protect marriage marked the beginning of a new era in American politics. For the first time in recent history, black and Hispanic voters (predominately Christians) voted for President Obama and simultaneously voted against the Democratic power structure on this social issue. In light of this phenomenon occurring simultaneously within the black and Hispanic communities, we respectfully warned the president that hooking his political wagon too closely to the gay marriage bandwagon could precipitously erode public confidence in his administration.

If you agree with our concern about marriage, it’s time for you to start contacting both Republican and Democratic congressmen. Congress is where the battle concerning the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) will likely be fought. Importantly, many Republicans are shying away from this important social issue. Conversely, the Democratic Party (generally speaking) seems to be beholding to the gay marriage movement for its financial support in the last election.

Therefore, we must let each congressman know that he can be voted out of office if he moves the wrong way on this issue. Set aside Mondays to email, write or call saying, “We want you to support marriage and to protect DOMA.” Let’s make “Marriage Monday” a national movement.

The letter outlined above was signed by Niger Innis of the Congress on Racial Equality, Dr. William Owens, Sr. of Concerned African-American Pastors, Bishop Dale Bronner of Word of Faith Family Worship Center in Atlanta, Georgia, Pastor Terry Millender of Victorious Life Church in Alexandria, Virginia, and Harry R. Jackson Jr.



I just can't say it better than that.
More...
Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on November 4, 2009 at 1:33 PM
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<-------- unmarried and living with my hetero partner! WOOOO!

Eat it, LC.
Posted by kersy on November 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Original Andrew 7
Courts alone aren't the answer. Here in Washington, we had one of the strongest constitutional arguments in favor of marriage equality ever presented. It went right up to the state Supreme Court. The Court then handed down one of the most anti-gay legal rulings in our nation's history and effectively set us back at least 10 years. The Supreme Court (In)Justice who authored the majority opinion, Barbara Madsen, had a perfect record on GLBT issues and interviews up until that point. She completely snowed our community for our votes and then wrote, among other evil things, that marriage is for procreation and banning our marriages wasn't discriminatory because we can just marry someone of the opposite sex.

What about same-sex couples raising kids? They don't exist according to the (dis)honorable Justice Madsen.
Posted by Original Andrew on November 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Original Andrew 8
Oh and then there's the CA Supreme Court's notorious ruling just this year that fundamental rights, such as marriage, aren't really all that fundamental and can simply be voided by a 51/49 vote. As if we needed more evidence that our nation's legal system is as much of a sham as our economic system.
Posted by Original Andrew on November 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Akbar Fazil 9
"I just can't say it better than that."

Of course you can't LC. Because if you could you would maybe have a brain in your ignorant racist head and would see the pain and hatred you are professing.

Idiot.
Posted by Akbar Fazil on November 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM
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"The very definitions of motherhood and fatherhood may be unnecessarily challenged in years to come."

OH NOES! If you have two daddies, how can one be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen, while one brings home the bacon? Patriarchy is the pillar of society!
Posted by kersy on November 4, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Original Andrew 11
And that's another thing: We're past the point where rational arguments can win people over.

I'm paraphrasing Gore Vidal here, but part of the reason for our warp-speed national decline is that Real AmeriKKKans simply can't think--they emote. And when you present them with logic and facts and empathy and reason, they just emote louder and start shrieking about socialists and communists and ACORN and marriage-minded homos hiding under their beds, along with countless other perceived threats that are totally irrelevant to their day-to-day lives.

We need to keep working at all levels, legislative and judicial, but really we need the current generation of psycho old bigots to die off. That's the bottom line.
Posted by Original Andrew on November 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM
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The courts alone aren’t the answer. There needs to be a gay Sesame Street character to help enculturate younger generations to acquire values of acceptance. Tellytubbies aren’t going to cut it.

I know conservatives will say, see you want to teach kids not to be ashamed if they’re gay. Well, yeah.

That old racist judge in Louisiana probably never sat through a full episode of Sesame Street in his life.
Posted by sall on November 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM
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thank you for contributing your insights to the slog
Posted by you, sir, are the IDIOT! on November 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM
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It's humiliating and demoralizing to have to, constantly, ask for your humanity to be recognized and often have the door slammed in your face, and change takes too effing long, but SOME minds can be changed. Do you know the story behind the 19th amendment and the mother writing to her son in the legislature to give her the right to vote?

wikipedia on Harry T. Burn:
http://tinyurl.com/y9ggtkp
Posted by cgd on November 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
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Thought you'd like this too:

http://thegreg.tumblr.com/post/232935500…
Posted by Comrade Luke on November 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Confluence 16
@12

What about Bert & Ernie? Or were they closeted?
Posted by Confluence on November 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Akbar Fazil 17
@13. Oh ow. that hurts so much! At least I have the balls to actually register an account. If pointing out racist bigots makes me an idiot, then fine. I am an idiot.
Posted by Akbar Fazil on November 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Will in Seattle 18
@2 for most insightful.

If God truly loved America he'd drop an asteroid on the US Supreme Court.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM
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Glad to see you've moved on past that tragic incident when you pinched off your balls as they got caught under the toilet seat sitting down to pee...
Posted by Oh ow. that REALLY hurt SO much! on November 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM
reverend dr dj riz 20
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'.....the marriage crisis is comprised of four elements:
1. A lowering of the marriage rate
2. An increase in divorce
3. A rise in heterosexual cohabitation
4. A multiplication of unwed births'
..and you believe that allowing equal marriage rights for gays will precipitate the disappearance of straight marriage and procreation altogether ?..that's your story this week ?.. not that the gays are wicked and gay sex is the same as beastiality, or pederasty, or rape or murder ? because if gays can get married straights will stop getting married and pooping out babies by the litter ?
does your insanity have any limit or boundary ?

Posted by reverend dr dj riz on November 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM
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Spot on, to quote Sarah Palin. Brown vs Board of Education was not settled by popular vote. Nor could it have been. Meanwhile carry on with the life you do have...and don't let the assholes spoil it for you.

Tom
Posted by tomerous on November 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM

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