Wednesday, November 4, 2009
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Posted by Paul Constant on Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:44 AM
Did you follow the election results last night on Slog? We slaved over a hot blog for you for hours and hours!
Ref. 71: Gay everything-but-marriage is winning.
McGinn and Mallahan: Too close to call, with McGinn in a slight lead.
I-1033: Lost.
Assholes in Maine: Voted down gay marriage.
Dow Constantine: Won.
Pete Holmes: Won.
Mike O'Brien: Won.
Sally Bagshaw: Won.
Jessie Israel: Lost.
Richard Conlin: Won.
Rob Holland and Tom Albro: Winning.
Also: The housing levy passed.
And: Did you know Seattle has an "Eastside"? And that something called a "Kirkland" is now the second-biggest city on that "Eastside" because it ate three other cities last night? It's apparently true!
New Jersey and Virginia: Now have Republican governors.
Bill Owens: The Democrat running against the Glenn-Beck-and-Sarah-Palin endorsed Conservative Party candidate in upstate New York won.
Obama: Polling indicates the Republican gubernatorial wins weren't about him.
But, Wait: Did the Democratic base collapse?
Kalamazoo Gay Rights Law: Passes.
Chapel Hill, NC: Elects openly gay mayor.
Houston: Could elect their very first lesbian mayor.
And It's Not All Elections, All the Time: "Rogue" Afghan cop kills five British soldiers.
Caught on Tape? Police are watching hours of in-car video to try to find hints of the cop killer's identity.
T-Mobile Blackout: T-Mobile has fixed last night's collapse of T-Mobile phones, but now they wonder what happened.
Battle of the Brains: George W. Bush, Bill Clinton to debate current events early next year.
And now, your daily Looney Tunes:
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What is the lesson of yesterday’s vote?
Gay Marriage lost for the 31st straight time in a state referendum.
Thirty One losses, ZERO wins.
Gay Marriage lost in Maine despite the homosexuals outspending the opposition 2-1 and pouring millions in out-of-state money into the effort.
More important, for the first time voters rejected a legislature passed legalization of homosexual marriage, one supported by the Governor as well.
Obama is sure to notice.
Obama is also sure to notice that Dan Savage’s own state barely held on to mere domestic partnership (that included senior citizens, for crying out loud…), again greatly outspending poorly organized wacko out of state opposition.
America’s opposition to homosexual marriage is hardening and America’s president, who is on the record defending traditional marriage, will surely draw comfort and encouragement from that fact.
Gay Marriage lost for the 31st straight time in a state referendum.
Thirty One losses, ZERO wins.
Gay Marriage lost in Maine despite the homosexuals outspending the opposition 2-1 and pouring millions in out-of-state money into the effort.
More important, for the first time voters rejected a legislature passed legalization of homosexual marriage, one supported by the Governor as well.
Obama is sure to notice.
Obama is also sure to notice that Dan Savage’s own state barely held on to mere domestic partnership (that included senior citizens, for crying out loud…), again greatly outspending poorly organized wacko out of state opposition.
America’s opposition to homosexual marriage is hardening and America’s president, who is on the record defending traditional marriage, will surely draw comfort and encouragement from that fact.
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Re:R71
Despite heavily outspending the opposition and piggybacking sweet old granny into the deal Domestic Partnership barely survived, by the stiff black hairs on it’s chinny-chin-chin.
Since gays now have all the rights married people do and it was such a close call prudent politicians are going to think twice about sticking their balls into the gay marriage buzzsaw again, just for the sake of a word.
So Dan’s whole “do I call him my wife/husband/boyfriend” dilemma gets kicked down the road again-
But maybe Dan can coin another of his cute new terms to call Terri- maybe his DoPar.
It has a nice ring to it.
Or his DomPat.
Or his DP.
Or his DeePatty.
Better yet- maybe as an act of protest he could call him his ‘Terri’.
Just ‘Terri’.
And ‘Terri’ could become the term everyone uses to refer to their Domestic Partner.
(Like a British soldier is a ‘Tommy’.)
A silent protest of the fact that there is no gay marriage, refusing to swipe a filthy heterosexual term like ‘wife’ or ‘husband’ used by the Man.
Every time a gay or lesbian used the term it would be a tribute to Dan’s undying love for his DoPar. His DP. His DeePatty-poo.
What a loving tribute for the woman behind the man.
As it were…
Despite heavily outspending the opposition and piggybacking sweet old granny into the deal Domestic Partnership barely survived, by the stiff black hairs on it’s chinny-chin-chin.
Since gays now have all the rights married people do and it was such a close call prudent politicians are going to think twice about sticking their balls into the gay marriage buzzsaw again, just for the sake of a word.
So Dan’s whole “do I call him my wife/husband/boyfriend” dilemma gets kicked down the road again-
But maybe Dan can coin another of his cute new terms to call Terri- maybe his DoPar.
It has a nice ring to it.
Or his DomPat.
Or his DP.
Or his DeePatty.
Better yet- maybe as an act of protest he could call him his ‘Terri’.
Just ‘Terri’.
And ‘Terri’ could become the term everyone uses to refer to their Domestic Partner.
(Like a British soldier is a ‘Tommy’.)
A silent protest of the fact that there is no gay marriage, refusing to swipe a filthy heterosexual term like ‘wife’ or ‘husband’ used by the Man.
Every time a gay or lesbian used the term it would be a tribute to Dan’s undying love for his DoPar. His DP. His DeePatty-poo.
What a loving tribute for the woman behind the man.
As it were…
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But what of the Big Eastside Annexation issue of 2009? Do I live in unincorporated Bothell, still, or am I now a Kirkland resident?
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@1: Allow me to translate your post, for the majority of Slog comenters who don't read unregistered comments: "Blah, blah, bigot, bigot, pissed that 71 passed, blah blah, bigotty bigot." Now fuck off, please.
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@4
good point...
for the unRegisterted challenged-
What is the lesson of yesterday’s vote?
Gay Marriage lost for the 31st straight time in a state referendum.
Thirty One losses, ZERO wins.
Gay Marriage lost in Maine despite the homosexuals outspending the opposition 2-1 and pouring millions in out-of-state money into the effort.
More important, for the first time voters rejected a legislature passed legalization of homosexual marriage, one supported by the Governor as well.
Obama is sure to notice.
Obama is also sure to notice that Dan Savage’s own state barely held on to mere domestic partnership (that included senior citizens, for crying out loud…), again greatly outspending poorly organized wacko out of state opposition.
America’s opposition to homosexual marriage is hardening and America’s president, who is on the record defending traditional marriage, will surely draw comfort and encouragement from that fact.
good point...
for the unRegisterted challenged-
What is the lesson of yesterday’s vote?
Gay Marriage lost for the 31st straight time in a state referendum.
Thirty One losses, ZERO wins.
Gay Marriage lost in Maine despite the homosexuals outspending the opposition 2-1 and pouring millions in out-of-state money into the effort.
More important, for the first time voters rejected a legislature passed legalization of homosexual marriage, one supported by the Governor as well.
Obama is sure to notice.
Obama is also sure to notice that Dan Savage’s own state barely held on to mere domestic partnership (that included senior citizens, for crying out loud…), again greatly outspending poorly organized wacko out of state opposition.
America’s opposition to homosexual marriage is hardening and America’s president, who is on the record defending traditional marriage, will surely draw comfort and encouragement from that fact.
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@4
and again...
Re:R71
Despite heavily outspending the opposition and piggybacking sweet old granny into the deal Domestic Partnership barely survived, by the stiff black hairs on it’s chinny-chin-chin.
Since gays now have all the rights married people do and it was such a close call prudent politicians are going to think twice about sticking their balls into the gay marriage buzzsaw again, just for the sake of a word.
So Dan’s whole “do I call him my wife/husband/boyfriend” dilemma gets kicked down the road again-
But maybe Dan can coin another of his cute new terms to call Terri- maybe his DoPar.
It has a nice ring to it.
Or his DomPat.
Or his DP.
Or his DeePatty.
Better yet- maybe as an act of protest he could call him his ‘Terri’.
Just ‘Terri’.
And ‘Terri’ could become the term everyone uses to refer to their Domestic Partner.
(Like a British soldier is a ‘Tommy’.)
A silent protest of the fact that there is no gay marriage, refusing to swipe a filthy heterosexual term like ‘wife’ or ‘husband’ used by the Man.
Every time a gay or lesbian used the term it would be a tribute to Dan’s undying love for his DoPar. His DP.
His DeePatty-poo.
What a loving tribute for the woman behind the man.
As it were…
and again...
Re:R71
Despite heavily outspending the opposition and piggybacking sweet old granny into the deal Domestic Partnership barely survived, by the stiff black hairs on it’s chinny-chin-chin.
Since gays now have all the rights married people do and it was such a close call prudent politicians are going to think twice about sticking their balls into the gay marriage buzzsaw again, just for the sake of a word.
So Dan’s whole “do I call him my wife/husband/boyfriend” dilemma gets kicked down the road again-
But maybe Dan can coin another of his cute new terms to call Terri- maybe his DoPar.
It has a nice ring to it.
Or his DomPat.
Or his DP.
Or his DeePatty.
Better yet- maybe as an act of protest he could call him his ‘Terri’.
Just ‘Terri’.
And ‘Terri’ could become the term everyone uses to refer to their Domestic Partner.
(Like a British soldier is a ‘Tommy’.)
A silent protest of the fact that there is no gay marriage, refusing to swipe a filthy heterosexual term like ‘wife’ or ‘husband’ used by the Man.
Every time a gay or lesbian used the term it would be a tribute to Dan’s undying love for his DoPar. His DP.
His DeePatty-poo.
What a loving tribute for the woman behind the man.
As it were…
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Well, troll, the way I read the tea leaves, you're still going to lose in the long run. How wide of a margin would these all have lost just 10 years ago?
Gloat today, for this is a pyrrhic victory if ever I saw one.
Gloat today, for this is a pyrrhic victory if ever I saw one.
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@9: I already made the mistake of feeding the troll once this morning, and he's gone and "registerted" himself, as well as proved that he's just one guy with way too much time on his hands. Let's leave him to his lonely hate and his (purely unsexual, I'm sure) obsession with Dan.
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@6/@7: You do realize that the vast majority of ads run by the Stand By Marriage Maine people are certifiable lies rebuffed by the majority of state officials in Maine, right? You do also know that Washington's win is the first time a state has ever ratified the expansion of gay partnership rights, right? You do know that 100% of the ads run by Protect Marriage Washington were outright lies, including making up a country, right? You do know that NY-23 is the catalyst for a late November/early December marriage equality vote in NY State, right, because it demonstrates softening conservatism in that portion of the state? And you do know that NJ is passing marriage equality in a lame duck session and has enough votes to suspend an executive order, should Christie issue one, right? And you do know that RI is a few votes shy of a veto-proof majority for marriage equality, right? And you do know that IL has just about enough votes to get marriage equality, right? And you do know that D.C. has majority voter support well beyond 60% for marriage equality, right? And you do know that Oregon and California pro-family/pro-equality activists are already in the field doing voter outreach for 2012, right?
And did you see this pearl? http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/moc…
None of this is surprising, so smile while you can-- these are the last few years you're able. :)
And did you see this pearl? http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/moc…
None of this is surprising, so smile while you can-- these are the last few years you're able. :)
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Memo: Independents to Dan Savage
Dear Dan,
We have heard and listened to you.
We voted for Obama in 2008 but you have convinced us that he is not getting the job done.
Yesterday we rejected the condidates Obama supported in NJ and Va.
Did we do good?
What next?
If not Obama, who?
Dear Dan,
We have heard and listened to you.
We voted for Obama in 2008 but you have convinced us that he is not getting the job done.
Yesterday we rejected the condidates Obama supported in NJ and Va.
Did we do good?
What next?
If not Obama, who?
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Sorry-
I didn't catch what you said;
I was distracted by the santorum dripping down your chin...
Sorry-
I didn't catch what you said;
I was distracted by the santorum dripping down your chin...
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We may not have one this in Maine this time, but it keeps getting closer and closer each time it gets on the ballot. The funny thing is that the anti-gay folks think this somehow settles it. As their numbers dwindle, the pro gay rights side grows. Gay people are not going to disappear, nor will we stop demanding equal rights. We will challenge this on every level, and we will win, no matter how long it takes.
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You girls got me wrong.
No gloating here-
just the facts.
You are going to win,
I'm very surprised you lost in Maine.
The forces of decency and morality are fighting last ditch efforts and the ring of depravity is closing fast.
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You girls got me wrong.
No gloating here-
just the facts.
You are going to win,
I'm very surprised you lost in Maine.
The forces of decency and morality are fighting last ditch efforts and the ring of depravity is closing fast.
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@ 20, you almost have it right. The forces of morality and decency are winning, because there's nothing immoral or indecent about two people in love codifying it in marriage, but it is immoral and indecent to keep them from doing so.
At least you're somewhat grounded in reality. You just need to learn what morality and decency really are, and you'll be all the way there.
At least you're somewhat grounded in reality. You just need to learn what morality and decency really are, and you'll be all the way there.
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That is very stirring, Bob.
You should really set it to music-
it could rally the gays, like "The Battle Hymn..." inspired the Nation during the Civil War.
maybe you could set it to the tune of "Froggie Went a Courtin"
That is very stirring, Bob.
You should really set it to music-
it could rally the gays, like "The Battle Hymn..." inspired the Nation during the Civil War.
maybe you could set it to the tune of "Froggie Went a Courtin"
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Oh sweet Jebus...
http://michaelkindt.wordpress.com/2009/1…
"Tobacco use in any form is dangerous, but a new way to use the vile, heavily taxed weed has emerged in South Dakota. Anal tobacco use, virtually unheard of until the late 90s when it first appeared in Wyoming, has become something of a fad among the youth in this sleepy little town of 4500."
http://michaelkindt.wordpress.com/2009/1…
"Tobacco use in any form is dangerous, but a new way to use the vile, heavily taxed weed has emerged in South Dakota. Anal tobacco use, virtually unheard of until the late 90s when it first appeared in Wyoming, has become something of a fad among the youth in this sleepy little town of 4500."
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I wonder if people in Maine, who voted to deny their fellow citizens a right, woke up this morning feeling safer and more secure in their marriage? Did they look at their spouses and feel more love? I don't understand what they are celebrating?
Let's start an online list of those that give money to these kind of initiatives. Imagine if you could look back to the 1960's and see who wanted to keep black folks separate? I wouldn't employ any of those people, or want to work with them. If all we have to influence them is their sense of shame then so be it. Shame them we will. The internet isn't going to go away. They can't hide from this forever.
Let's start an online list of those that give money to these kind of initiatives. Imagine if you could look back to the 1960's and see who wanted to keep black folks separate? I wouldn't employ any of those people, or want to work with them. If all we have to influence them is their sense of shame then so be it. Shame them we will. The internet isn't going to go away. They can't hide from this forever.
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Trolls always seem to forget that the Gay Marriage ban failed the first time they tried it in AZ.
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You unintentionally make a good point.
Abortion has been set law for 40 years but positions have not changed much.
Many people remain deeply opposed to it, and unapologetically so.
An immoral act made legal will not gain acceptance, even with time.
Slavery and segregation are morally indefensible, and yes- if we looked back on people who practiced them we feel revulsion.
Homosexuality is more like abortion- an immoral practice that is gaining legal sanction.
Legalize gay marriage it and in 50 years you will still have people unapologetically opposed to it.
Just because something is made legal it doesn't become moral.
You unintentionally make a good point.
Abortion has been set law for 40 years but positions have not changed much.
Many people remain deeply opposed to it, and unapologetically so.
An immoral act made legal will not gain acceptance, even with time.
Slavery and segregation are morally indefensible, and yes- if we looked back on people who practiced them we feel revulsion.
Homosexuality is more like abortion- an immoral practice that is gaining legal sanction.
Legalize gay marriage it and in 50 years you will still have people unapologetically opposed to it.
Just because something is made legal it doesn't become moral.
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speaking of over your head have you looked at your avatar, bob- a vortex has opened up and sucked your brain out...
speaking of over your head have you looked at your avatar, bob- a vortex has opened up and sucked your brain out...
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40, Adultery is immoral because one person is being dishonest with their spouse, but that doesn't answer why feel homosexuality is immoral.
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@19: What's interesting to me is if you look at national polling, gay marriage has been bouncing around in the 30% range for a decade, but support for civil unions has been steadily increasing and now has slim majority support. We've reached a point where a majority of *self-identified Republicans* say they support civil unions, at least in the abstract. It feels like a consensus is forming around that idea.
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43, If the spouse consents to such an arrangement, then it's not immoral. But, that doesn't answer why you feel that homosexuality is immoral.
You're diverting.
Question: Why is straight marriage immoral?
Response: Why is adultery immoral?
It doesn't answer the question.
You're diverting.
Question: Why is straight marriage immoral?
Response: Why is adultery immoral?
It doesn't answer the question.
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@ 44, the troll isn't answering because he can't. Homosexuality is every bit as moral as heterosexuality; that is, every bit as such things can be. It actually makes no sense because both are conditions of being, not behaviors involving choices (unless it's the choice to deny who you are because of prevailing irrational prejudices).
Rob in Baltimore wins this one in a complete and utter crushing of the troll.
Rob in Baltimore wins this one in a complete and utter crushing of the troll.
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@42
I think civil unions (with the same rights as marriage) are going to be widely accepted within the decade by a majority of Americans. Don't think Americans are ever gonna go all the way with gay "marriage" though. There's thousands of years of history & tradition in every culture in the world that defines that word as being between a man and a woman. That's gonna be extremely tough to beat. Civil unions are the middle ground that I think most people can agree on. Just trying to be realistic, people, sorry.
In other news, that new gay mayor in Chapel Hill, NC is pretty darn cute.
I think civil unions (with the same rights as marriage) are going to be widely accepted within the decade by a majority of Americans. Don't think Americans are ever gonna go all the way with gay "marriage" though. There's thousands of years of history & tradition in every culture in the world that defines that word as being between a man and a woman. That's gonna be extremely tough to beat. Civil unions are the middle ground that I think most people can agree on. Just trying to be realistic, people, sorry.
In other news, that new gay mayor in Chapel Hill, NC is pretty darn cute.
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@48: I think it will go one of two directions: Either civil unions will eventually be available to everyone, gay and straight, and will threaten to overtake marriage in popularity; or marriage will be opened to everyone. I don't think a two-tiered system is stable long term. The former situation has actually happened in some other countries that have civil unions.
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@48 -- Of course things change. Maybe not ata a rate that will benefit many people, but change happens. Slavery was around for tens of thousands of years as an accepted social practice worldwide. Pretty well gone as a social accepted practice covert slavery notwithstanding.
The idea that things cannot or do not change is in the bedrock of fundamentalism currently masquerading as conservatism in America.
The idea that things cannot or do not change is in the bedrock of fundamentalism currently masquerading as conservatism in America.
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@49
But do you really think those "Protect Marriage" folks are gonna go for no more marriage, just civil unions for all? I imagine that idea will get them thumping their bibles even harder than the prospect of gay marriage. And compared to those countries where its become civil unions for all, the USA is a lot more religious.
As for marriage being opened up to everyone, the way that it's looking, it seems like it's gonna be hard to pull off. I mean, freakin' secular Maine, in New England, with a high turnout just nixed it. Super liberal California, too. People ain't goin' for it. The separate-but-equal civil unions alongside marriage seems like the only realistic and feasible option to make everyone more-or-less happy in Amurka.
But do you really think those "Protect Marriage" folks are gonna go for no more marriage, just civil unions for all? I imagine that idea will get them thumping their bibles even harder than the prospect of gay marriage. And compared to those countries where its become civil unions for all, the USA is a lot more religious.
As for marriage being opened up to everyone, the way that it's looking, it seems like it's gonna be hard to pull off. I mean, freakin' secular Maine, in New England, with a high turnout just nixed it. Super liberal California, too. People ain't goin' for it. The separate-but-equal civil unions alongside marriage seems like the only realistic and feasible option to make everyone more-or-less happy in Amurka.
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@52: Let me clarify. I'm not saying marriage will go away. I'm saying that if we get nationwide same-sex civil unions, they will eventually be opened to everyone, not as a replacement for marriage but an alternative. I think this will happen because sooner or later heterosexuals will find some reason to want access to them and will push for equal access, and no one will have a vested interest in preventing it.
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...and furthermore, I'm saying that trends in other countries suggest that given the choice between marriage, or separate-but-equal civil unions, a lot of people go for civil unions. It sounds crazy but the word "marriage" has a lot of baggage attached to it, especially for secular people living in a religious society. Ultimately marriage may wither from indifference instead of being "destroyed" by gays. ;)
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46, Lets cut through all your bs non-responsive replies. Consensual sex is not immoral. If you don't believe in gay marriage, that is a reason for you not to participate in such a union. You don't get to force everyone else to live by your beliefs.
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