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Politics Someone Should Drop a House On Him
Posted by Dan Savage on Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Seriously. There are going to be consequences, right? At some point? Joe Lieberman endorsed and campaigned for John McCain, last week he said he would "probably" endorse some Republicans running in 2010 (because who needs Democratic majorities?), and today he said he will work with the Republicans to block any health care reform bill that includes a public option.
When the president reached out to Lieberman we were told that it had to be done because the Democrats needed his vote. We don't have his vote. Fuck him. Strip him of his chairmanship and toss him the fuck out of the Democratic caucus already.
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I can't look at that face anymore without wanting to punch something. And I can't think about what he's getting away with consequence-free without wanting to punch every democrat who is rolling over and grabbing their ankles, which thus far is every one. This man is an opportunistic, self-serving shit.
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Why waste a perfectly good house, when so many are in need of one?
Drop Glenn Beck on him instead, please.
Drop Glenn Beck on him instead, please.
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You can be narrow minded assholes who insist that everyone agree with you 110% or they must GET OUT or you can be the big tent supermajority.
(either way you're impotent flacid pussies but the choice is yours...)
Joe is not your problem.
The crapass non-plan the Democraps have sort of put forward on healthcare is a dog and
there is a SUCKING black hole vacuum of leadership from Obama.
Joe and Glen Beck and whatever other shiny sparkly baubble Dan is currently interested in and posting about are distractions.
You've all taken your eyes off the ball.
(either way you're impotent flacid pussies but the choice is yours...)
Joe is not your problem.
The crapass non-plan the Democraps have sort of put forward on healthcare is a dog and
there is a SUCKING black hole vacuum of leadership from Obama.
Joe and Glen Beck and whatever other shiny sparkly baubble Dan is currently interested in and posting about are distractions.
You've all taken your eyes off the ball.
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This is exactly what the DNC gets for having NO principles whatsoever. They stand for nothing...nothing they will defend that's for sure...and they equivocate on everything.
They will have to wait until 2012 - just like California - and then we'll see what the party does to rid itself of the Lieberman problem that it brought on itself...if they really think he is a problem, which I'm not so sure they do.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/…
They will have to wait until 2012 - just like California - and then we'll see what the party does to rid itself of the Lieberman problem that it brought on itself...if they really think he is a problem, which I'm not so sure they do.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/…
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They do not care about what party yo are in, who you support or what bills you vote on. If you are a senator, all the other senators and former senators are you best fucking friends. They will support you to the end. Lieberman could stab Obama in the back, and he has, and Obama will still support his buddy Lieberman over the American people. These are people who think they are the elite rulers and they will support and protect each other till the end of time. They rig the rules to favor incumbents and then support each other. What Lieberman actually does is not important in any way to them.
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We should totally 'drop a house on him'
and also kill all police just like NWA talks about.
Oh wait....
and also kill all police just like NWA talks about.
Oh wait....
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"You can be narrow minded assholes who insist that everyone agree with you 110% or they must GET OUT or you can be the big tent supermajority."
Are you stupid? The problem is quantity over quality, and doing fuckall with the faux "majority" that we have.
Blue Dogs, willful impotents like Reid, backslapping congressional familiarity, and a one-way bipartisanship are why the Dems suck, not because we shouldn't be a "small tent".
The lobbyist-owned blue dogs should be excluded from any tent, if you think their interest is anything pure you're a goddamned fool.
Are you stupid? The problem is quantity over quality, and doing fuckall with the faux "majority" that we have.
Blue Dogs, willful impotents like Reid, backslapping congressional familiarity, and a one-way bipartisanship are why the Dems suck, not because we shouldn't be a "small tent".
The lobbyist-owned blue dogs should be excluded from any tent, if you think their interest is anything pure you're a goddamned fool.
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@9 sorry about that, I voted for Ned Lamont!
Lieberman has been making me crazy since high school....asshole
Lieberman has been making me crazy since high school....asshole
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"he is a despicable excuse for a man. "
But really though, none of this is of any surprise. He out and said that he would be doing this, and he's keeping his slimebag word.
But really though, none of this is of any surprise. He out and said that he would be doing this, and he's keeping his slimebag word.
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As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with @4. In my observation, Democrats are more free in their (our) thinking than Repubs. This should be an advantage, but it's not. We end up fighting each other rather than jumping over the fucking cliff the way the Repubs do like a pack of lemmings. Only this strategy works for them. I have no answers. Only regrets.
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Politics is the art of the possible.
It is all about compromise.
It may be satisfying to crush your enemies (or at least to bitch and whine about how somebody ought to crush your enemies...) but a better strategy is to make your enemies your friends, or at least your allies.
If Obama had marshalled and rallied and inspired the majority of Americans who already supported reform before he ever came on the scene,
if the Democrats had presented a clear understandable plan and fought for it
then Lieberman would be keeping his head down and going along with the flow. And the Blue Dogs and Snow and a couple of other moderate Republicans as well.
Presidential Leadership would have rallied the people and the Congress- cowards and weasels that they are- would have fallen over themselves to get on the bandwagon. It's what Reagan did.
Lieberman and the teabaggers and the tiny leaderless uninspired and uninspiring Republican minority have no power of their own- the only power they have is the negative energy left by the vacuum of leadership.
It's like the Seahawks are playing a high school team and the score is tied 0-0 because the Seahawks keep fumbling and having penalties and giving the ball up. The other side won't and can't score but the 0-0 tie is a moral victory for them. And if the coach of the Seahawks spends half time bitching about the refs and the other team he's not getting it.
I'm a Republican and frankly amazed that we are still in the game at this point but it's not anything we are doing- it's all you guys.
Frankly Obama has been a much better President for the Right than McCain would have been, and that's not sarcasm or snark.
Politics is the art of the possible.
It is all about compromise.
It may be satisfying to crush your enemies (or at least to bitch and whine about how somebody ought to crush your enemies...) but a better strategy is to make your enemies your friends, or at least your allies.
If Obama had marshalled and rallied and inspired the majority of Americans who already supported reform before he ever came on the scene,
if the Democrats had presented a clear understandable plan and fought for it
then Lieberman would be keeping his head down and going along with the flow. And the Blue Dogs and Snow and a couple of other moderate Republicans as well.
Presidential Leadership would have rallied the people and the Congress- cowards and weasels that they are- would have fallen over themselves to get on the bandwagon. It's what Reagan did.
Lieberman and the teabaggers and the tiny leaderless uninspired and uninspiring Republican minority have no power of their own- the only power they have is the negative energy left by the vacuum of leadership.
It's like the Seahawks are playing a high school team and the score is tied 0-0 because the Seahawks keep fumbling and having penalties and giving the ball up. The other side won't and can't score but the 0-0 tie is a moral victory for them. And if the coach of the Seahawks spends half time bitching about the refs and the other team he's not getting it.
I'm a Republican and frankly amazed that we are still in the game at this point but it's not anything we are doing- it's all you guys.
Frankly Obama has been a much better President for the Right than McCain would have been, and that's not sarcasm or snark.
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Liberman's just being a dick. He can't even explain why he's opposed to the public option - every excuse he's given has come up bullshit. And that's not even bringing up his previous opposition to the filibuster as a concept or his previous support of the public option.
He's a craven political opportunist. He can vote however he wants and the Democratic Caucus can give his chairmanship to someone else.
He's a craven political opportunist. He can vote however he wants and the Democratic Caucus can give his chairmanship to someone else.
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What a disaster this guy is!! How on earth is Lieberman such an untouchable? I saw this coming a mile away, the dems better not be surprised. BOOOO!!!!
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Germans, of course, have a word for Lieberman (as they do for just about anything): Backpfeifengesicht. A face that you really want to punch.
God bless the German language.
God bless the German language.
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@16 "As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with @4. In my observation, Democrats are more free in their (our) thinking than Repubs. This should be an advantage, but it's not. We end up fighting each other rather than jumping over the fucking cliff the way the Repubs do like a pack of lemmings. Only this strategy works for them. I have no answers. Only regrets."
You're conflating the voters and the politicians.
@18 "If Obama had marshalled and rallied and inspired the majority of Americans who already supported reform before he ever came on the scene,
if the Democrats had presented a clear understandable plan and fought for it
then Lieberman would be keeping his head down and going along with the flow. And the Blue Dogs and Snow and a couple of other moderate Republicans as well.
Presidential Leadership would have rallied the people and the Congress- cowards and weasels that they are- would have fallen over themselves to get on the bandwagon. It's what Reagan did."
To an extent I agree, but I also believe that as loathsomely passive a leader as Obama has been, that the absolute media complicity to stagnation and the GOP agenda has been ridiculous as of late, and I don't see that get any better as their profits slump.
You're conflating the voters and the politicians.
@18 "If Obama had marshalled and rallied and inspired the majority of Americans who already supported reform before he ever came on the scene,
if the Democrats had presented a clear understandable plan and fought for it
then Lieberman would be keeping his head down and going along with the flow. And the Blue Dogs and Snow and a couple of other moderate Republicans as well.
Presidential Leadership would have rallied the people and the Congress- cowards and weasels that they are- would have fallen over themselves to get on the bandwagon. It's what Reagan did."
To an extent I agree, but I also believe that as loathsomely passive a leader as Obama has been, that the absolute media complicity to stagnation and the GOP agenda has been ridiculous as of late, and I don't see that get any better as their profits slump.
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You mean a 60 vote caucus in the senate doesn't mean Obama can pass every piece of his agenda compromised and undelayed as soon as he takes office? I am shocked, socked I tell you, that this could happen.
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Why do people even pretend to think that he's a Democrat? Just because he calls himself one? He holds absolutely no ideology in common with any part of the left wing. He's a pig in jackass clothing.
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21: Rick santorum has the perfect face for punching. It's something about that thin-lipped smirk of his. And it's not even completely connected to his politics; even if I agreed with his every word, I'd still feel a basic need to punch him in the mouth. He's just got a very punchable face. What can I say?
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Why is everyone so ticked about a politician standing by his principles, whether or not you agree with him. You don't. So stop whining and realize that it's not going to make a difference.
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Lieberman the Douchebag fuck. Someone beat him next round, please?! Better yet, impeach the motherfucker. Senate: strip him!!!!!!!
Dan, you rock. Joe, you suck monster's-ass.
Dan, you rock. Joe, you suck monster's-ass.
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@18 -- thank you for your insights. I agree completely though it sounds as though we are probably political opponents on substantive policy issues. The Seahawks analogy is right on.
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tell us doc just what HAS obama gotten done in a year with his landslide mandate and supermajority?
(other than wussing out to the Russians on the missile defense pulling a Chamberlain on the Poles and Czechs, that is...)
tell us doc just what HAS obama gotten done in a year with his landslide mandate and supermajority?
(other than wussing out to the Russians on the missile defense pulling a Chamberlain on the Poles and Czechs, that is...)
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@26: I wish Lieberman would tell us what those principles are. The dumbshit can't even articulate why he's opposed to the public option without lying about basic facts.
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@26 Leiberman campaigned on a platform of universal healthcare. Now that Obama is making it a real possibility, Lieberman is backing out of his campaign promisses in order to protect the lying murdering theives in the insurance industry.
Joe Lieberman is a traitor to the American people. If we don't get a public option, every death, bankruptcy, and untreated illness from overpriced and underavailable health care will be on Lieberman's and the Republicans' heads. And they are fine with that. They protected corporate profits. That's what they are in Washington DC to do.
Joe Lieberman is a traitor to the American people. If we don't get a public option, every death, bankruptcy, and untreated illness from overpriced and underavailable health care will be on Lieberman's and the Republicans' heads. And they are fine with that. They protected corporate profits. That's what they are in Washington DC to do.
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The messaging for the "public option" has been terrible. They should have called it the "affordable health care option". Then Joe Lieberman and his cohorts would have to openly say they are opposed to the affordable health care option.
With that said, the public option that did come down is pretty useless. Only 2% of the population will likely choose it, and only then because their health is so bad they can't afford anything else. The premiums are going to cost more than most private insurance options.
Real reform will be universal single payer health care.
With that said, the public option that did come down is pretty useless. Only 2% of the population will likely choose it, and only then because their health is so bad they can't afford anything else. The premiums are going to cost more than most private insurance options.
Real reform will be universal single payer health care.
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And this was the fucker you idiot Democrats demanded we vote for against Bush. Why in the hell would anyone support a political party that lets anyone old right wing hack dominate? Why in the hell would you want to be in a party so broad it includes Feingold AND Fred Phelps, Ted Kennedy AND Joe Lieberman (until very recently)? How can you expect to get ANYONE done if you have to fight bigots and monsters in your own party?
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Seriously? You're surprised he doesn't vote party line? Seriously??
He was dropped like a rock during his re-election, came back as an independent and won against his former party and against a Republican. The Dems kicked him out already, folks, and they lost. Just because they bribed him back doesn't make him their man.
Call him what you want, but don't act like his "betrayal" is a surprise.
He was dropped like a rock during his re-election, came back as an independent and won against his former party and against a Republican. The Dems kicked him out already, folks, and they lost. Just because they bribed him back doesn't make him their man.
Call him what you want, but don't act like his "betrayal" is a surprise.
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"The Dems kicked him out already, folks, and they lost. Just because they bribed him back doesn't make him their man."
Besides, the PEOPLE kicked him out. Congress is welcoming him back with warm hands and handjobs galore.
Besides, the PEOPLE kicked him out. Congress is welcoming him back with warm hands and handjobs galore.
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