Thursday, October 29, 2009
Homo We want to be tolerant of gays... EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE COMING TO RAPE THE BRAINZ OF OUR CHILDREN!
Posted by Dan Savage on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Yesterday anti-gay bigots in Maine were all about being tolerant of the gays. They wanted to preserve marriage for opposite-sex couples while protecting the rights of same-sex couples with domestic partnerships. Today they revert to gay-baiting form with this save-the-children-from-the-homosexual-menace campaign commercial...
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They are presenting proof of what they state in the ad, mr Savage says it's not true but is not able to produce evidence to the contrary. It's a reality no matter how much Savage denies it.
http://www.standformarriagemaine.com/
http://www.standformarriagemaine.com/
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Gay in Uganda: Being gay or lesbian in Uganda isn't easy. You can be imprisoned for life for having sex with someone of the same sex. But a proposed law is creating a lot of anger and fear in the lesbian-gay-bi and transgendered community. It would impose jail terms on people who don't report gays and lesbians to police. And it also proposes the death penalty for gay sex in some cases. The writer behind a blog called Gay Uganda is so worried about the government monitoring him that he wouldn't speak to us over the phone, and would only answer questions by e-mail.
When we ran that segment on Tuesday we were hoping to speak with David Bahati, the Ugandan MP who tabled the bill. We couldn't reach him then. But we were able to speak with him yesterday.
*** We should warn you, his views are homophobic. But we felt it was important to hear them in order to understand the context in which Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill is being proposed. Many of you will find this offensive and may not be suitable for young children. ***
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2009/200910…
When we ran that segment on Tuesday we were hoping to speak with David Bahati, the Ugandan MP who tabled the bill. We couldn't reach him then. But we were able to speak with him yesterday.
*** We should warn you, his views are homophobic. But we felt it was important to hear them in order to understand the context in which Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill is being proposed. Many of you will find this offensive and may not be suitable for young children. ***
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2009/200910…
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@4, Kicking and screaming into equality as always.
Quickly scrolled through documents = evidence, huh? That's rich.
Quickly scrolled through documents = evidence, huh? That's rich.
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@4 Replace "mr Savage" with "Loveschild" in there and you'll have the real facts. Loveschild never presents facts, preferring instead to spout opinions as though they were facts. @4 is an excellent example.
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Loveschild is of course doing ten times the damage to children that gays are doing. She's raised her own children to fear and hate, and spreads more of it wherever she goes, like a cloud of perfume. She's also obsessed with sex, like no gay man or woman I've ever met; she can't discuss any subject without bringing sex into it.
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This is the last attempt to keep gays in the closet. What these people are saying is that while it's OK to be out to your adult friends, it's not OK to be out to the _cchhhiiillldddrren!_
Bullshit. Are they saying that we should lie to our students about what the law is? Are they saying that we should never ever mention that not everybody's sex life is plain vanilla? But of course -- how else are they going to create the next generation of closet-cases?
So let's respond. We'll start by instead of saying "No, we won't mention it in school" we say that "Yes, we will give true, responsible answers to questions, and by doing so, helping the children to live in a complicated world."
Bullshit. Are they saying that we should lie to our students about what the law is? Are they saying that we should never ever mention that not everybody's sex life is plain vanilla? But of course -- how else are they going to create the next generation of closet-cases?
So let's respond. We'll start by instead of saying "No, we won't mention it in school" we say that "Yes, we will give true, responsible answers to questions, and by doing so, helping the children to live in a complicated world."
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Ironically, all the obstruction to civil rights progress is ensuring that it will be taught in schools, not only as a page of civil rights conflict in the history books, but we're going to have to teach kindergartners that some families have two daddies or two mommies instead of one of each (or one without the other) the way we have to teach that some people are darker skinned than others (and that it's okay).
Someone else will have to check me to make sure this factoid is truly ironic.
Someone else will have to check me to make sure this factoid is truly ironic.
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"we're going to have to teach kindergartners that some families have two daddies or two mommies instead of one of each (or one without the other)"
@10 I laud your sincerity. I hope more on your side were as honestly blunt in their intentions as you are. Please encourage them to tell the truth behind your their thoughts like you do.
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Loveschild, stop projecting your own dishonesty onto others. No one's pretending same-sex marriage won't be "taught" in school the same way heterosexual marriage is currently "taught", usually by example. What you've consistently failed to explain is why it would be bad to teach children that there are all sorts of families.
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Loveschild believes that kindergartners will be introduced to the concept of gay parents through the showing of pornographic films.
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@14, believes or secretly hopes?
Once again, I want to make sure that children are not taught at school about the existence of Christianity or shown in any way that it is acceptable. The damage that that filth can do to their young minds is unfathomable.
Once again, I want to make sure that children are not taught at school about the existence of Christianity or shown in any way that it is acceptable. The damage that that filth can do to their young minds is unfathomable.
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"Gay marriage will be taught in our schools."
Nope. Still not understanding what this means or why I should be afraid of it.
Nope. Still not understanding what this means or why I should be afraid of it.
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I've been a teacher for over twenty five years. All these precepts such as having diversity in your library, and being honest with your students like the straight folk do (pictures of family on desks, sharing what you did on holidays etc) were taught to me in teachers' college DECADES ago.
This campaign shows lots of things, but for me it's mostly about how anti-gay people are always anti-gay no matter how much the world keeps turning....They can never let go.
This campaign shows lots of things, but for me it's mostly about how anti-gay people are always anti-gay no matter how much the world keeps turning....They can never let go.
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You bet it will be taught in schools. And we'll also stoop to telling children that Black people have the same brain power as Asian children. We'll teach that Brown kids have the same chance to be President as Black children. We'll teach that some children have one parent. And that some children have two. Oh the HORROR of teaching the truth! STOP TEACHING TRUTH, it's killing our children!
I'm glad the Maine for Equality folks used "Marriage Equality" and not that silly Gay Marriage crap.
I'm glad the Maine for Equality folks used "Marriage Equality" and not that silly Gay Marriage crap.
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Summary of one of Uriel's book club jewels,
The Queen talking to her son:
Now, that's the type of message we want to be sending to kindergarteners, don't we Uriel?
The 'prince' talking about a princess of color:
Nothing wrong there, not an once of racism, nope.
Ending with our Uriel's favorite frontal "kissy-kissy" bit.
Now, these are the type of curriculum 'instructional' material that people like Uriel-238 think we need on our schools. I wonder what for tho? I find no arithmetic or vocabulary (don't kindergarteners need to learn their abc's first?) value in them. But those drawings, Oh Boy! pure indoctrination.
Let's not even go into the penguin mess.
The Queen talking to her son:
"When I was your age, I'd been married twice already."
Now, that's the type of message we want to be sending to kindergarteners, don't we Uriel?
The 'prince' talking about a princess of color:
"Boy, those long arms will certainly come in handy when
waving to the people,"
Nothing wrong there, not an once of racism, nope.
"The wedding was very special. The queen even shed a tear or two."
Ending with our Uriel's favorite frontal "kissy-kissy" bit.
Now, these are the type of curriculum 'instructional' material that people like Uriel-238 think we need on our schools. I wonder what for tho? I find no arithmetic or vocabulary (don't kindergarteners need to learn their abc's first?) value in them. But those drawings, Oh Boy! pure indoctrination.
Let's not even go into the penguin mess.
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@Loveschild: You are one hot mess of a sheople. If you don't know that the far right OUTRIGHT LIES about gay people, you don't know your facts. Go to Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters and read. It might open your eyes to what's going on in the real world. Don't you know that the "research" that those people use was done by one Brian Camenker who has been kicked out of every valid scientific association because he doesn't know how to use the scientific method and created statistics about gays in order to profit from the anti-gay industry? Read it all here: Paul Cameron is the head of the Family Research Institute, an organization declared an official hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. He has been censured, rebuked, and called the carpet on numerous occasions by people on the left and the right for his tendency to use bad research techniques as well as manipulate data to claim that lgbts are leeches on society.
He has been caught making up tales about gay men castrating children in restrooms, and called out on his claims that gays have a "short life span," molest children at a high rate, and engage in extremely deviant sexual practices (including those involving feces and gerbils).
In 1983, he was dismissed from the American Psychological Association after refusing to cooperate in an investigation brought about by member complaints of his work.
Since I’ve written this series I have been disappointed with the reaction of some in the lgbt community.
"Who cares."
"This isn’t a big deal."
"Paul Cameron is just a crackpot."
"You are wasting your time talking about him."
It's a mistake to dismiss Cameron as a mere crackpot when one looks at his connection to so-called legitimate religious right groups.
He has been and still continues to be the go-to guy (although covertly at times) by them when it comes to pushing bad theories about lgbts.
In the past, they relied on Cameron heavily.
In 1991, a Colorado amendment was created to ban gay-rights ordinances. Backers of this amendment, Amendment 2, used Cameron’s data in their position statement. Also, the week before the 1992 vote over 100,000 copies of one of his pamphlets, What Homosexuals Do, went across Colorado. Not surprisingly, the amendment passed. (It was later overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.)
In 1992 during the anti-gay referendum campaign in Colorado, Cameron was the “chief scientific consultant” for organizations for the referendum.
In 1994, when gays and lesbians challenged the validity of Amendment 2, state Attorney General Gail Norton paid Cameron $15,000 for his research and wanted to use him as an “expert witness.” When informed of his reputation, Norton used neither him nor his research.
Anti-gay spokesperson Robert Knight (formerly of Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council), in 1994, cited Cameron's work in testimony in front of Congress opposing the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA).
Since that time, Cameron's work was cited here and there but his effectiveness lessened due to his dubious reputation.
However, he did enjoy a short resurgence when George Bush was re-elected president in 2004.
In May 2005, Cameron announced the completion of another study that supposedly proved that homosexuality is more dangerous than cigarette smoking and being overweight.
What he did was take over 10,000 obituaries from the gay newspaper the Washington Blade and compare them to a CDC report entitled AIDS Cases in Adolescents and Adults, by Age—United States, 1994-2000.
He claimed that this supported his gay life span study. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said otherwise.
Ronald Valdiserri, deputy director of the CDC’s National Center for HIV, STD, and TB Prevention, said Cameron uses bad methodology.
He also said:
“[The CDC] does not collect statistics on the life span of gay men. While gay men continue to be severely impacted by HIV and AIDS, AIDS-related death data cannot be used to indicate that homosexual men live shorter lives than heterosexual men overall.”
In June 2005, when Texas Governor Rick Perry signed a “defense of marriage” bill, accompanying him was televangelist Ron Parsley. Parsley had this to say about homosexuality:
“Gay sex is a veritable breeding ground for disease. Only one percent of the homosexual population in America will die of old age. The average life expectancy for a homosexual in the United States discounting AIDS is forty-two years of age . . . A lesbian can only expect to live to be forty - five years of age . ."
Parsley now heads the Center for Moral Clarity, an organization dedicated to "Christian grassroots organization that advocates for public policies based on biblical principles."
Cameron’s claim that homosexuality is more dangerous than cigarette smoking even made its way to the lower echelons of the Bush Administration.
In July 2005, U.S. Senator Arlen Specter asked that the national Health and Human Services look at a certain web site because it allegedly showed inaccurate information about homosexuality and contraception.
The web site, 4parents.gov, received information from an organization called the National Physicians Center for Family Resources. The chairman of the National Physicians Center for Family Resources board, John Whiffen, said the organization was correct regarding what it had printed about homosexuality.
“It’s fairly well-accepted that smoking is not a good idea. It takes seven years off of your life. It appears that male homosexuality takes more than that off your life."
That's the trouble with some "crackpots." If you leave them alone to cause mischief, they will.
The lgbt community should care about Paul Cameron for a multitude of reasons. He is masquerading as a legitimate researcher and his mess continues to hurt the us.
But for me, it mostly comes down to this:
We reacted because the police kept harassing us as Stonewall,
We reacted because Anita Bryant told those lies about us in the 70's,
We reacted because of the AIDS crisis,
We reacted because of the Proposition 8 vote.
Our history seems to be a pattern of reacting.
When you react, you lash out and are on the defensive. You are not in control of the situation because you are trying to rally yourself from whatever calamity that has been thrust upon you.
And that has been our problem.
We are constantly trying to rally ourselves after being slapped. We wait until we have been wronged before we act and then we try to take care of the situation with a rushed public display of anger.
I hate to say it but let’s take a tip from those people who claim that Obama was not born in the United States.
The only reason why the "birthers" have gotten so much attention is because they have been insistent in pushing their point. They have been on the offensive from the beginning.
And we certainly have a more legitimate case than the "birthers." Paul Cameron has made a career out of lying about the lgbt community. He couldn’t be believed if his blood was replaced with truth serum.
Yet the right continues to cite him either overtly or covertly.
But we are just sitting by and letting it happen without challenge.
We are wasting a valuable opportunity to not only put the religious right on the defensive but bring attention to the fact that they are neither religious in their tactics nor right in their claims.
Sometimes winning the fight is not reacting after being kicked but doing the kicking yourself.
With that in mind, please be aware of the following:
According to the webpage Box Turtle Bulletin, Cameron's work continues to be cited in the following pieces, which are still present and available on each corresponding group's webpage:
Publications:
Journal of Biosocial Science
Psychological Reports
American Family Association:
Targeting Children, Part Four: Access to children: Homosexuality and Molestation — Ed Vitagliano, June 2001.
Targeting Children, Part Three: Activists Encouraging Experimentation — Ed Vitagliano, May 2001.
Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths (PDF: 299 KB/24 pages) — Robert G. Howe, 1994.
Americans For Truth:
Study Shows “Gay Married” Lifespans Average 24 Years Shorter than Hetero Marrieds in Norway, Denmark — Peter LaBarbera, April 5, 2007.
Canadian Research Suggests only 1.4% of Adults Homosexual — Peter LaBarera, March 27, 2007.
Stanford Nurse Details Lethal Consequences of Engaging in Promiscuous Anal Intercourse — Kathleen Melonakos, Dec 2, 2006.
Courage:
Living In Truth: Unsure Of Your Sexuality? — unsigned, 2000
Concerned Women For America:
Indianapolis Rejects Domestic Partner Benefit — Robert H. Knight, Aug 2, 2002
‘Sexual Orientation’ and American Culture — Robert H. Knight, July 10, 2002
Rosie and the Docs Peddle Bad Medicine (PDF: 62 KB/7 pages) — Robert H. Knight, May 2002.
Pediatrics Academy Joins Crusade for ‘Gay Parenting’ — Robert H. Knight, Feb 7, 2002
Ears To Hear:
Myths, Facts, and Consequences of the Homosexual Lifestyle — unsigned, April 30, 2007.
Evergreen International:
Gay Identity and the Gay Rights Movement — Jason Park, 1996.
Behavior (FAQ) — Jason Park, 1996.
Why Am I Attracted to Men? — Jason Park, 1996.
Lifesite News:
Canadian Research Suggests only 1.4% of Adults Homosexual — Unsigned, March 27, 2007.
Expert Research Finds Homosexuality More Dangerous Than Smoking — Unsigned, April 3, 2007.
US Sexuality Survey Shows Gays 107% More Likely To Engage In Criminal Activities — “JJ,” June 13, 2005.
Yet Another Study Confirms Gay Life Expectancy 20 Years Shorter — “JJ,” June 6, 2005.
Same-Sex Parenting is Harmful to Children Says REAL Women of Canada — Unsigned, March 2004.
The Case Against Same-Sex Marriage (Originally published in Crisis magazine) — Tim Leslie, January 2004.
Homosexuals Declare War On Boy Scouts — Unsigned, August 23, 2000
.
National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH):
Joseph Nicolosi e Linda Ames Nicolosi, Omosessualità. Una Guida per i Genitori, (PDF: 174 KB/5 pages) (Italian: Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi. Homosexuality. A Guide for Parents) — Roberto Marchesini, October 2005.
Conversion Therapy Revisited: Parameters and Rationale for Ethical Care — Christopher H. Rosik, Spring 2001.
Revisión de la Terapia Teparativa: Parámetros y Fundamento Para el Cuidado Ético (PDF: 280 KB/18 pages) (Spanish: Conversion Therapy Revisited: Parameters and Rationale for Ethical Care ) — Christopher H. Rosik, Spring 2001.
Pediatrician Says Childhood Gender Identity Disorder Requires Treatment, Not Sex-Change Surgery — Ross Olson, undated (updated April 20, 2006).
Father-son Relationships and Male Sexual Development — Gregory Dickson, undated (Updated Sept 30, 2002).
Renew America:
Attorney, Group Blast Bishops Over Sex Ed — Matt C. Abbott, August 21, 2005.
Sometimes, Where There’s Smoke, There’s the Fired — Selwyn Duke, February 11, 2005
Virtue Online:
Expert Research Finds Homosexuality More Dangerous Than Smoking — “David Virtue,” April 4, 2007.
1.4% of Adults Homosexual? — “David Virtue,” March 23, 2007.
Sites like Box Turtle Bulletin should be commended for their diligent work in cataloguing all of this nonsense.
But the question needs to be asked - why have we let this go on for so long without raising hell about it?
The only reason why the religious right gets away with citing Cameron is because no one calls them on it.
Isn't time for us to do a little calling out?
Other HB/HM articles on Paul Cameron:
More homophobic lies from the Paul Cameron Poland tour
Homophobic 'researcher' Paul Cameron in all of his repulsive glory
More...
He has been caught making up tales about gay men castrating children in restrooms, and called out on his claims that gays have a "short life span," molest children at a high rate, and engage in extremely deviant sexual practices (including those involving feces and gerbils).
In 1983, he was dismissed from the American Psychological Association after refusing to cooperate in an investigation brought about by member complaints of his work.
Since I’ve written this series I have been disappointed with the reaction of some in the lgbt community.
"Who cares."
"This isn’t a big deal."
"Paul Cameron is just a crackpot."
"You are wasting your time talking about him."
It's a mistake to dismiss Cameron as a mere crackpot when one looks at his connection to so-called legitimate religious right groups.
He has been and still continues to be the go-to guy (although covertly at times) by them when it comes to pushing bad theories about lgbts.
In the past, they relied on Cameron heavily.
In 1991, a Colorado amendment was created to ban gay-rights ordinances. Backers of this amendment, Amendment 2, used Cameron’s data in their position statement. Also, the week before the 1992 vote over 100,000 copies of one of his pamphlets, What Homosexuals Do, went across Colorado. Not surprisingly, the amendment passed. (It was later overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.)
In 1992 during the anti-gay referendum campaign in Colorado, Cameron was the “chief scientific consultant” for organizations for the referendum.
In 1994, when gays and lesbians challenged the validity of Amendment 2, state Attorney General Gail Norton paid Cameron $15,000 for his research and wanted to use him as an “expert witness.” When informed of his reputation, Norton used neither him nor his research.
Anti-gay spokesperson Robert Knight (formerly of Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council), in 1994, cited Cameron's work in testimony in front of Congress opposing the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA).
Since that time, Cameron's work was cited here and there but his effectiveness lessened due to his dubious reputation.
However, he did enjoy a short resurgence when George Bush was re-elected president in 2004.
In May 2005, Cameron announced the completion of another study that supposedly proved that homosexuality is more dangerous than cigarette smoking and being overweight.
What he did was take over 10,000 obituaries from the gay newspaper the Washington Blade and compare them to a CDC report entitled AIDS Cases in Adolescents and Adults, by Age—United States, 1994-2000.
He claimed that this supported his gay life span study. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said otherwise.
Ronald Valdiserri, deputy director of the CDC’s National Center for HIV, STD, and TB Prevention, said Cameron uses bad methodology.
He also said:
“[The CDC] does not collect statistics on the life span of gay men. While gay men continue to be severely impacted by HIV and AIDS, AIDS-related death data cannot be used to indicate that homosexual men live shorter lives than heterosexual men overall.”
In June 2005, when Texas Governor Rick Perry signed a “defense of marriage” bill, accompanying him was televangelist Ron Parsley. Parsley had this to say about homosexuality:
“Gay sex is a veritable breeding ground for disease. Only one percent of the homosexual population in America will die of old age. The average life expectancy for a homosexual in the United States discounting AIDS is forty-two years of age . . . A lesbian can only expect to live to be forty - five years of age . ."
Parsley now heads the Center for Moral Clarity, an organization dedicated to "Christian grassroots organization that advocates for public policies based on biblical principles."
Cameron’s claim that homosexuality is more dangerous than cigarette smoking even made its way to the lower echelons of the Bush Administration.
In July 2005, U.S. Senator Arlen Specter asked that the national Health and Human Services look at a certain web site because it allegedly showed inaccurate information about homosexuality and contraception.
The web site, 4parents.gov, received information from an organization called the National Physicians Center for Family Resources. The chairman of the National Physicians Center for Family Resources board, John Whiffen, said the organization was correct regarding what it had printed about homosexuality.
“It’s fairly well-accepted that smoking is not a good idea. It takes seven years off of your life. It appears that male homosexuality takes more than that off your life."
That's the trouble with some "crackpots." If you leave them alone to cause mischief, they will.
The lgbt community should care about Paul Cameron for a multitude of reasons. He is masquerading as a legitimate researcher and his mess continues to hurt the us.
But for me, it mostly comes down to this:
We reacted because the police kept harassing us as Stonewall,
We reacted because Anita Bryant told those lies about us in the 70's,
We reacted because of the AIDS crisis,
We reacted because of the Proposition 8 vote.
Our history seems to be a pattern of reacting.
When you react, you lash out and are on the defensive. You are not in control of the situation because you are trying to rally yourself from whatever calamity that has been thrust upon you.
And that has been our problem.
We are constantly trying to rally ourselves after being slapped. We wait until we have been wronged before we act and then we try to take care of the situation with a rushed public display of anger.
I hate to say it but let’s take a tip from those people who claim that Obama was not born in the United States.
The only reason why the "birthers" have gotten so much attention is because they have been insistent in pushing their point. They have been on the offensive from the beginning.
And we certainly have a more legitimate case than the "birthers." Paul Cameron has made a career out of lying about the lgbt community. He couldn’t be believed if his blood was replaced with truth serum.
Yet the right continues to cite him either overtly or covertly.
But we are just sitting by and letting it happen without challenge.
We are wasting a valuable opportunity to not only put the religious right on the defensive but bring attention to the fact that they are neither religious in their tactics nor right in their claims.
Sometimes winning the fight is not reacting after being kicked but doing the kicking yourself.
With that in mind, please be aware of the following:
According to the webpage Box Turtle Bulletin, Cameron's work continues to be cited in the following pieces, which are still present and available on each corresponding group's webpage:
Publications:
Journal of Biosocial Science
Psychological Reports
American Family Association:
Targeting Children, Part Four: Access to children: Homosexuality and Molestation — Ed Vitagliano, June 2001.
Targeting Children, Part Three: Activists Encouraging Experimentation — Ed Vitagliano, May 2001.
Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths (PDF: 299 KB/24 pages) — Robert G. Howe, 1994.
Americans For Truth:
Study Shows “Gay Married” Lifespans Average 24 Years Shorter than Hetero Marrieds in Norway, Denmark — Peter LaBarbera, April 5, 2007.
Canadian Research Suggests only 1.4% of Adults Homosexual — Peter LaBarera, March 27, 2007.
Stanford Nurse Details Lethal Consequences of Engaging in Promiscuous Anal Intercourse — Kathleen Melonakos, Dec 2, 2006.
Courage:
Living In Truth: Unsure Of Your Sexuality? — unsigned, 2000
Concerned Women For America:
Indianapolis Rejects Domestic Partner Benefit — Robert H. Knight, Aug 2, 2002
‘Sexual Orientation’ and American Culture — Robert H. Knight, July 10, 2002
Rosie and the Docs Peddle Bad Medicine (PDF: 62 KB/7 pages) — Robert H. Knight, May 2002.
Pediatrics Academy Joins Crusade for ‘Gay Parenting’ — Robert H. Knight, Feb 7, 2002
Ears To Hear:
Myths, Facts, and Consequences of the Homosexual Lifestyle — unsigned, April 30, 2007.
Evergreen International:
Gay Identity and the Gay Rights Movement — Jason Park, 1996.
Behavior (FAQ) — Jason Park, 1996.
Why Am I Attracted to Men? — Jason Park, 1996.
Lifesite News:
Canadian Research Suggests only 1.4% of Adults Homosexual — Unsigned, March 27, 2007.
Expert Research Finds Homosexuality More Dangerous Than Smoking — Unsigned, April 3, 2007.
US Sexuality Survey Shows Gays 107% More Likely To Engage In Criminal Activities — “JJ,” June 13, 2005.
Yet Another Study Confirms Gay Life Expectancy 20 Years Shorter — “JJ,” June 6, 2005.
Same-Sex Parenting is Harmful to Children Says REAL Women of Canada — Unsigned, March 2004.
The Case Against Same-Sex Marriage (Originally published in Crisis magazine) — Tim Leslie, January 2004.
Homosexuals Declare War On Boy Scouts — Unsigned, August 23, 2000
.
National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH):
Joseph Nicolosi e Linda Ames Nicolosi, Omosessualità. Una Guida per i Genitori, (PDF: 174 KB/5 pages) (Italian: Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi. Homosexuality. A Guide for Parents) — Roberto Marchesini, October 2005.
Conversion Therapy Revisited: Parameters and Rationale for Ethical Care — Christopher H. Rosik, Spring 2001.
Revisión de la Terapia Teparativa: Parámetros y Fundamento Para el Cuidado Ético (PDF: 280 KB/18 pages) (Spanish: Conversion Therapy Revisited: Parameters and Rationale for Ethical Care ) — Christopher H. Rosik, Spring 2001.
Pediatrician Says Childhood Gender Identity Disorder Requires Treatment, Not Sex-Change Surgery — Ross Olson, undated (updated April 20, 2006).
Father-son Relationships and Male Sexual Development — Gregory Dickson, undated (Updated Sept 30, 2002).
Renew America:
Attorney, Group Blast Bishops Over Sex Ed — Matt C. Abbott, August 21, 2005.
Sometimes, Where There’s Smoke, There’s the Fired — Selwyn Duke, February 11, 2005
Virtue Online:
Expert Research Finds Homosexuality More Dangerous Than Smoking — “David Virtue,” April 4, 2007.
1.4% of Adults Homosexual? — “David Virtue,” March 23, 2007.
Sites like Box Turtle Bulletin should be commended for their diligent work in cataloguing all of this nonsense.
But the question needs to be asked - why have we let this go on for so long without raising hell about it?
The only reason why the religious right gets away with citing Cameron is because no one calls them on it.
Isn't time for us to do a little calling out?
Other HB/HM articles on Paul Cameron:
More homophobic lies from the Paul Cameron Poland tour
Homophobic 'researcher' Paul Cameron in all of his repulsive glory
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@12 -- Regardless of whether or not gay marriage is legalized, we should start teaching kindergarteners that some kids have two mommies, or two daddies, because that is the current state of the world. Don't you want your kids firmly grounded in reality?
But now we're delving into curriculum reform, which is unrelated to gay rights. Please keep your issues separate from one another.
But now we're delving into curriculum reform, which is unrelated to gay rights. Please keep your issues separate from one another.
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You're hopelessly out of date, LC.
These families already exist, gay students already exist, gay teachers already exist, GSA already exist, its already in the schools. The year is 2009 and it's nearly over, not 1950. This won't go away, these are real people that we care about. Denying people equal civil rights, isn't going to change things. Straight supporters are going to keep growing in numbers. Social justice has been set in motion it will not be stopped.
So, your only hope is to clue in or put a paper bag over your head. I'm hoping you'll clue in, I hope you have more to offer the world than fear, but if sitting in the dark with a bag over your head pretending the world is a different place makes you happy ...
These families already exist, gay students already exist, gay teachers already exist, GSA already exist, its already in the schools. The year is 2009 and it's nearly over, not 1950. This won't go away, these are real people that we care about. Denying people equal civil rights, isn't going to change things. Straight supporters are going to keep growing in numbers. Social justice has been set in motion it will not be stopped.
So, your only hope is to clue in or put a paper bag over your head. I'm hoping you'll clue in, I hope you have more to offer the world than fear, but if sitting in the dark with a bag over your head pretending the world is a different place makes you happy ...
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@16: What they mean to imply by "gay marriage will be taught at our schools" is "They will teach your children that two men or two women committing to each other in a loving relationship is OKAY!!" HOW AWFUL!!!
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is it just me, or does the narrator sound like the actress who plays Miranda on Sex and the City?
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Very well, Loveschild, let us note that I've not heard or read one peep of offense (other than yours) about long-armed Nubian princesses or serially-wed queens. Every last complaint has been about a prince marrying a prince hence (as the Prop-8 ad went) and I can marry a princess!
So tell me, Loveschild, are you going to slap your eight-year-old girl across the mouth and threaten her with eternal Hellfire for fantasizing (at eight) that she might be able to marry Ariel, or Belle, or Jasmine, or Kanoke or whoever is the going Disney babe of the week?
Let us take a look at your offending passages. Shall we?
When I was your age, I'd been married twice already.
Even if we go past the possibility that our beloved queen might have outlived her warlike spouses (incidents of which are common in Feudal Europe), you do get that we're in an era when a) we choose our own partners and marry for love, in contrast to the agrarian tradition of marrying arranged partners chosen by our families, or when b) we often live longer than a century, and easily outlive our compatibility with our partners, and c) are actually trying to be truthful to ourselves and our partners whether or not we have affairs outside holy matrimony, rather than the tradition of separating, moving to different towns and keeping mum about prior couplings. Yes? Or not. It seems often not with you, Loveschild
And, has it occurred to you that our queen's spotted marital history may be, like the story itself, a message of realism, as opposed to a message of idealism?
The whole point of the story (I think) is that things don't always match ideals, so we make it work with what we got. I, for one, grew up with too many messages of idealism, never being told that I was supposed to aspire to such lofty heights, but that if I didn't match them, there was something wrong with me.
Is there something wrong with me for not being perfect Loveschild? Is there something wrong with your own children for not being perfect? Is there something wrong with you, for not perfectly matching, down to the verse what your LORD and savior Jesus Christ expects you to be Loveschild?
Boy, those long arms will certainly come in handy when waving to the people
Maybe I missed something, being critically Caucasian, myself, and unlearned in racial stereotypes, but are long arms associated with people of color? Most racism against African Americans of which I'm aware stems from pre-Civil War propaganda suggesting African descendants are primitive, or not the cerebral equals of western Europeans. (Even though we do have the occasional resurgence of this kind of proposition, anthropological academists such as Jared Diamond have provided nearly irrefutable arguments that it was opportunity and luck that gave western Europeans the technological advantage over other civilizations, not genetic superiority. Indeed, artistic and scientific brilliance manifests equally from all genetic heritages that are given the opportunity.)
King and King's origins as a Dutch book aside, if the quote was about the girl being too apelike, or a jungle primitive, I'd think you might have a point. But so far I'm not getting it.
The wedding was very special. The queen even shed a tear or two.
Eh? You'll have to explain how this offends.
I found your argument notable Loveschild, I find no arithmetic or vocabulary, which is to imply you believe school is for teaching literacy and math (or the three Rs as colloquially known through the US). Is this to say you believe nothing else (e.g. history, culture or sciences) should be taught in our schools?
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So tell me, Loveschild, are you going to slap your eight-year-old girl across the mouth and threaten her with eternal Hellfire for fantasizing (at eight) that she might be able to marry Ariel, or Belle, or Jasmine, or Kanoke or whoever is the going Disney babe of the week?
Let us take a look at your offending passages. Shall we?
When I was your age, I'd been married twice already.
Even if we go past the possibility that our beloved queen might have outlived her warlike spouses (incidents of which are common in Feudal Europe), you do get that we're in an era when a) we choose our own partners and marry for love, in contrast to the agrarian tradition of marrying arranged partners chosen by our families, or when b) we often live longer than a century, and easily outlive our compatibility with our partners, and c) are actually trying to be truthful to ourselves and our partners whether or not we have affairs outside holy matrimony, rather than the tradition of separating, moving to different towns and keeping mum about prior couplings. Yes? Or not. It seems often not with you, Loveschild
And, has it occurred to you that our queen's spotted marital history may be, like the story itself, a message of realism, as opposed to a message of idealism?
The whole point of the story (I think) is that things don't always match ideals, so we make it work with what we got. I, for one, grew up with too many messages of idealism, never being told that I was supposed to aspire to such lofty heights, but that if I didn't match them, there was something wrong with me.
Is there something wrong with me for not being perfect Loveschild? Is there something wrong with your own children for not being perfect? Is there something wrong with you, for not perfectly matching, down to the verse what your LORD and savior Jesus Christ expects you to be Loveschild?
Boy, those long arms will certainly come in handy when waving to the people
Maybe I missed something, being critically Caucasian, myself, and unlearned in racial stereotypes, but are long arms associated with people of color? Most racism against African Americans of which I'm aware stems from pre-Civil War propaganda suggesting African descendants are primitive, or not the cerebral equals of western Europeans. (Even though we do have the occasional resurgence of this kind of proposition, anthropological academists such as Jared Diamond have provided nearly irrefutable arguments that it was opportunity and luck that gave western Europeans the technological advantage over other civilizations, not genetic superiority. Indeed, artistic and scientific brilliance manifests equally from all genetic heritages that are given the opportunity.)
King and King's origins as a Dutch book aside, if the quote was about the girl being too apelike, or a jungle primitive, I'd think you might have a point. But so far I'm not getting it.
The wedding was very special. The queen even shed a tear or two.
Eh? You'll have to explain how this offends.
I found your argument notable Loveschild, I find no arithmetic or vocabulary, which is to imply you believe school is for teaching literacy and math (or the three Rs as colloquially known through the US). Is this to say you believe nothing else (e.g. history, culture or sciences) should be taught in our schools?
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@28 I appreciate those links Uriel, i agree with some of the interesting issues that are raised, especially when it comes to the portrayal of women, tho i must confess i find nothing wrong with that of the men. Not that most boys go finding examples in Disney movies mind you.
Likewise, dunno if you seen this film but i consider it a perfect example of what exposure to certain behaviors by adults can do to a child at an early age. It's interesting what can be triggered in their psyche when they're allowed to have even certain family associations that are not the best for them to have at such an impressionable age.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808331/
On a lighter note, just read in your profile about your disappearance. Got to say I'm gonna miss you, again, you must be tired of me telling you but you sound like a very smart person. Please use your brains for the good of society and you'll see how God or whatever force of good it is that you believe in blesses you abundantly. Take care sugar. In God's Love.
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No I haven't seen Joshua, Loveschild @32 but I'll give it a look. Thank you for the well-wishes.
I think what is notable about the Disney princes is that they are as much objects as the princesses, only it's not their sexuality but property that is essential to make them a worthwhile suitor. (If the princess is loaded with lucre, why does the prince have to be as well for the ending to be happy ever after?)
Just as scary to me is that their names are incidental (The beau of Sleeping Beauty, aka Aurora is Phillip. Other than he and Aladdin, I can't name the others without looking them up).
Tiana, the first ever African American princess (though how is royalty in New Orleans circa 1920, I've yet to work out) spends most of her screen-time as an amphibian. Go figure.
I'll see you in December.
I think what is notable about the Disney princes is that they are as much objects as the princesses, only it's not their sexuality but property that is essential to make them a worthwhile suitor. (If the princess is loaded with lucre, why does the prince have to be as well for the ending to be happy ever after?)
Just as scary to me is that their names are incidental (The beau of Sleeping Beauty, aka Aurora is Phillip. Other than he and Aladdin, I can't name the others without looking them up).
Tiana, the first ever African American princess (though how is royalty in New Orleans circa 1920, I've yet to work out) spends most of her screen-time as an amphibian. Go figure.
I'll see you in December.
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Do so. When you return, I just want you to explain to me what you meant here:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
Especially in your last paragraph, (I understood what you meant in the rest of your comment, and kinda of agree with it) because and forgive me if I got you wrong but it seems that in that last paragraph you were asking for some sort of societal compassion for the sick pedophiles? I hope i misread you.
In God's Love.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
Especially in your last paragraph, (I understood what you meant in the rest of your comment, and kinda of agree with it) because and forgive me if I got you wrong but it seems that in that last paragraph you were asking for some sort of societal compassion for the sick pedophiles? I hope i misread you.
In God's Love.
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