Wednesday, October 28, 2009
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Posted by Grant Brissey on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Boeing's 787 line goes to South Carolina.
The announcement came Wednesday afternoon, ends weeks of speculation, debate and negotiation. Boeing and the Machinists union were reportedly deadlocked over a deal in which the labor group would promise not to strike should the second line be in Everett.Workers at the South Carolina plant recently voted to remove the union from the North Charleston plant.
State lawmakers just completed an incentive package to bring the line to South Carolina.
h/t: seattlepi.com
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Well, I sure am glad the state lege gave those billions in tax breaks to Boeing right after the HQ relocated. That was meant to keep the 787 in WA, right?
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Fuck Boeing. They have blamed all their woes on the unions when it has been their management that has caused most of their production delays. That company has been headed downhill since they ousted Mullaly. I won't be flying in a 787 built by workers with little training and low-wages.
Maybe WA State should start wooing Airbus?
Maybe WA State should start wooing Airbus?
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This seemed like a given as soon as the workers in SC voted to demolish their union, which was months ago.
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Patty Murray just lost her job in the Senate when she is up for election. Her pride and joy was providing Boeing the best oral service possible.
The Republicans are going to get that seat back.
The Republicans are going to get that seat back.
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sorry ... however bad Boeing's management has been ... the union workers are a bunch of greedy assholes. This was theirs to lose.
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@3 - Airbus FTW.
There is nothing anyone could have done to prevent this. Boeing has been circling the drain that leads out of WA ever since they "acquired" McDonald Douglas. I say "acquired" in quotes because not long after most of that failed company's board ended up running Boeing making the same bad decisions that led to their former company's decline.
Don't blame Gregoire or any other politician for this, other than for not showing Boeing the door. If I were them, I would very publically start coming up with plans for what to do and who to invite once the Lazy B leaves once and for all.
There is nothing anyone could have done to prevent this. Boeing has been circling the drain that leads out of WA ever since they "acquired" McDonald Douglas. I say "acquired" in quotes because not long after most of that failed company's board ended up running Boeing making the same bad decisions that led to their former company's decline.
Don't blame Gregoire or any other politician for this, other than for not showing Boeing the door. If I were them, I would very publically start coming up with plans for what to do and who to invite once the Lazy B leaves once and for all.
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Manufacturing is not America’s (or Washington’s) future. South Carolina is just the next stop on the race to the bottom of labor costs.
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So, will Mallahan stop threatening voters that "Boeing's CEO is watching to see who will be Seattle's next mayor."?
Or....does this mean that Boeing's CEO knows that McGinn will win?
Or....does this mean that Boeing's CEO knows that McGinn will win?
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@7 - It was not. Boeing would've made them sign a contract that said they weren't going to strike, regardless of whether the 787 was built here, and then pulled the production to SC anyway.
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@ 8 Good point about former McDonnell Douglas execs. I have never understood how they took over the board room when it was Boeing that purchased McDonnell Douglas. It's a shame that a company that used to be so engaged in creative solutions that benefited it's customers, employees and shareholders has embraced a business model that drives wages to the bottom.
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Alright! That takes care of Boeing... Now on to the next order of business. Hey Microsoft, about those taxes that Washington wants and Nevada does not...
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Poor stockholders. The brass made this decision a long time ago, really, and have been playing the media, unions and electeds here, in Kansas, and S.C. like a junior-high string section. Not a good business move in the long run. But Boeing will still be massively important to our local economy for many years.
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@9: You're assuming that China and the oil producing countries will continue to bolster the dollar, if they decide to drop the buck we'll have hyper-inflation along with a MUCH devalued dollar; the only good side of this will be a return to products being manufactured in the U.S. for U.S. consumption because we won't be able to afford to import any goodies. This is called "A very black cloud's thread thin silver lining."
Boeing, of course, has their defense work to help maintain their bottom line.
Boeing, of course, has their defense work to help maintain their bottom line.
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When those workers in S. Carolina get screwed by Boeing, they'll have second thoughts. Next, Boeing will slowly move operations to China.
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@15: Cool, so when China and oil producing countries stop buying dollars and our currency devalues, how do you think that will impact their exports and substantial investment in dollars?
That's a pretty dubious economic analysis you've got there, assuming that China et all want to destroy their export markets and their own currency reserves and investments.
That's a pretty dubious economic analysis you've got there, assuming that China et all want to destroy their export markets and their own currency reserves and investments.
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Given the tremendous costs of a move and the difficulty of having two geographicly seperated teams working on the same project, this probably isn't good for Boeing. But it's nice of Boeing to take one for the team in order to screw the union. If we keep the pace, we will have wrung unions entirely out of the private sector in a few more decades. The public employees unions will be a tougher nut to crack, though, since they own the Democratic party.
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@16: So, ok, you're a S.C. worker. Boeing moves to town and employs you and a few thousand other people in your city.
And then, sure, Boeing bails to China in 10 years or so. How is that "screwing" you? Would you be better of had Boeing never come to town? Why in the world would someone have second thoughts after years of having billions poured into the local economoy, just because it eventually stops?
And then, sure, Boeing bails to China in 10 years or so. How is that "screwing" you? Would you be better of had Boeing never come to town? Why in the world would someone have second thoughts after years of having billions poured into the local economoy, just because it eventually stops?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Boeing isn't moving production of the 787 to SC, they're building their next assembly plant there, instead of building a second one in Everett. The 787 will still also be built in Washington.
Unless you're independently wealthy and looking for a property in Everett, the impact to the area is still negative of course.
Unless you're independently wealthy and looking for a property in Everett, the impact to the area is still negative of course.
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Oh noes! Signing a contract that says you'll actually show up to work?! If you don't like the offer, don't take it, but there's a name for not showing up, and it's called job abandonment.
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Sweet.
More cash for my Brazilian airplane stock, since this means Boeing stock will crater soon.
More cash for my Brazilian airplane stock, since this means Boeing stock will crater soon.
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@18: Yeah, and we've done in all unions we'll repeal all those pesky anti-business child labor laws. Let's get those little fuckers back in the coal mines working 16 hours a day because, GOD DAMN IT, we need energy independence! And how can we do that if we fetter free enterprise with laws that benefit the working class?
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The blame for Boeing building the new plant in SC should be squarely placed upon the backs of the union idiots who went on strike for 50+ days last year.
That combined with SC plant voting to de-unionize sealed the decision for Boeing to move to a different workforce that they could reliably depend on to keep the assembly line moving day over day.
Union idiots felt they had "strength" against the big bad execs, but in the long run they cut off their nose to spite their faces.
Unions are so last century... time to move on... in this day and age of global commerce and competition, combined with locales both within and outside the USA that will do the job cheaper and more efficiently in right to work areas, should be a HUGE wake up call that unions no longer have that intangible strength they used to have.
You think the state budget shortfalls were bad before? You think local gvmt budget shortfalls were bad before? HA!
Just wait to see what the ripple effect on revenues will be once this come to full frution...
Na na na naaa... Na na na naaaa... Hey hey hey..
Good Bye.
That combined with SC plant voting to de-unionize sealed the decision for Boeing to move to a different workforce that they could reliably depend on to keep the assembly line moving day over day.
Union idiots felt they had "strength" against the big bad execs, but in the long run they cut off their nose to spite their faces.
Unions are so last century... time to move on... in this day and age of global commerce and competition, combined with locales both within and outside the USA that will do the job cheaper and more efficiently in right to work areas, should be a HUGE wake up call that unions no longer have that intangible strength they used to have.
You think the state budget shortfalls were bad before? You think local gvmt budget shortfalls were bad before? HA!
Just wait to see what the ripple effect on revenues will be once this come to full frution...
Na na na naaa... Na na na naaaa... Hey hey hey..
Good Bye.
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Somehow non-union workers in Tennessee, and Kentucky, and Alabama manage to build pretty good cars. It's the southern anti-union states that sealed this deal. They still run on the plantation model. Hey, the richest 5% of Latin America can't be wrong!
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Fuck. Unfortunately this is probably just the beginning of the Boeing exodus. Fortunately our economy is fairly diversified, so we won't pull a motor city nosedive. Hopefully new local leaders will emerge and bring in some new industry to cushion the inevitable blow.
Either way, this just proves that Boeing is led by ungrateful fucks with no sense of loyalty.
Either way, this just proves that Boeing is led by ungrateful fucks with no sense of loyalty.
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@25. The blame for Boeing building its new plant down here instead of up out there where y'all can make a living wage sacking groceries rests soundly on one dead set of shoulders: Ronald Wilson Reagan.
Reagan broke the unions' backs (illegally and immorally) enticing the Corps to move down here so they can more easily fuck their workers and everyone suffers. Y'all lose good paying jobs. We get fucked doing real jobs for fuckslave wages at fuckslave conditions. And the Corps get fucked because they start delivering inferior product. No one profits from all this fuckery, not even the Corp fucks who fuck their workers to the tune of $1700/1, because come the Revolution, they're the ones with the most to lose.
Reagan broke the unions' backs (illegally and immorally) enticing the Corps to move down here so they can more easily fuck their workers and everyone suffers. Y'all lose good paying jobs. We get fucked doing real jobs for fuckslave wages at fuckslave conditions. And the Corps get fucked because they start delivering inferior product. No one profits from all this fuckery, not even the Corp fucks who fuck their workers to the tune of $1700/1, because come the Revolution, they're the ones with the most to lose.
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@30
I can't tell if you are being genuine or snarky.
You are insinuating we can make a living wage "up here" in WA sacking groceries? And you blame Ronnie?
Which "Corps" do you speak of? And what relevancy does that have to Boeing or it's union? And aren't you getting these "good paying jobs" down there now? Even given the lower cost of living in South Carolina, this new mfg plant will provide better wages than 90% of your current employment force makes..
However the American people lose in the end, as the shoddy workmanship of the planes you turn out continually have to be "fixed" back here in Washington. South Carolina doesn't have the workforce to handle anything but the most basic of assemblyline work, and even that they fuck up on a regular basis. There is already ample evidence of that.
Your complete and total lack of understanding about the totality of circumstances of this issue, can easily be ascertained by reading your simple reply above.
I sure hope you are not a representative example of South Carolina citizenry...
God help us all...
I can't tell if you are being genuine or snarky.
You are insinuating we can make a living wage "up here" in WA sacking groceries? And you blame Ronnie?
Which "Corps" do you speak of? And what relevancy does that have to Boeing or it's union? And aren't you getting these "good paying jobs" down there now? Even given the lower cost of living in South Carolina, this new mfg plant will provide better wages than 90% of your current employment force makes..
However the American people lose in the end, as the shoddy workmanship of the planes you turn out continually have to be "fixed" back here in Washington. South Carolina doesn't have the workforce to handle anything but the most basic of assemblyline work, and even that they fuck up on a regular basis. There is already ample evidence of that.
Your complete and total lack of understanding about the totality of circumstances of this issue, can easily be ascertained by reading your simple reply above.
I sure hope you are not a representative example of South Carolina citizenry...
God help us all...
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Sorry guys,Rosy The Riveter can be easily replaced by anyone with a high school diploma.
"when China and oil producing countries stop buying dollars and our currency devalue"
You mean that currency China owns 3 trillions dollars worth? wouldn't that be cutting off your nose to spite your face?
"not even the Corp fucks who fuck their workers to the tune of $1700/1, because come the Revolution, they're the ones with the most to lose."
With language like that is it any wonder you are working class?
"when China and oil producing countries stop buying dollars and our currency devalue"
You mean that currency China owns 3 trillions dollars worth? wouldn't that be cutting off your nose to spite your face?
"not even the Corp fucks who fuck their workers to the tune of $1700/1, because come the Revolution, they're the ones with the most to lose."
With language like that is it any wonder you are working class?
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check out this spoof blog post about the Boeing 787 story.
Boeing’s 787 Second Line is Dancing South
http://everettwablog.com/?p=2046
Boeing’s 787 Second Line is Dancing South
http://everettwablog.com/?p=2046
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The negotiations with the union were a sham, and everyone knew it. Boeing started filing for permits to build the new plant in S.C. over a month ago, so the move was a done deal already.
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for a bunch of people who drive those hondas built down south and buy those shirts made in vietnam and have a printer made in singapore sitting right next to their lenovo computer made in china there's a whole lotta bullshittin' goin' on.
oh it's so fine and morally superior to bemoan seeking the lower cost of production except for one thing:
um, ALL OF US, as consumers, go for it.
I don't see too many Chevys driving around Everett, do you?
But Kia on Aurora is doing pretty well, probably selling lots of cars to machinists....
oh it's so fine and morally superior to bemoan seeking the lower cost of production except for one thing:
um, ALL OF US, as consumers, go for it.
I don't see too many Chevys driving around Everett, do you?
But Kia on Aurora is doing pretty well, probably selling lots of cars to machinists....
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As a native South Carolinian in Seattle who's also a native Charlestonian, Charleston is different than most of South Carolina. I like to make fun of SC but I usually don't make that much fun of Charleston. Charleston needs either Boeing or a major industry to utilize the skill of the mechanical workers in that city. Currently there's Bausch. What many people don't know about that area is that since we have the Air Force in Charleston, many of the servicemen who work on base do a lot of repair on military aircraft there. So for Boeing, it's beneficial to have skilled workers retiring from the military who want to stay in Charleston working at the plant. Less money spent training them => more productivity out of their employees => good quality aircraft being produced. The other great benefit of having Boeing in Charleston is that the international port company no longer has a reason to leave Charleston if they have a Boeing as a major client.
Yes, I'm sorry Everett couldn't get it but quit striking all the fucking time. We're not the French.
Yes, I'm sorry Everett couldn't get it but quit striking all the fucking time. We're not the French.
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if your economic gameplan depends on 'grateful fucks' who stick it out only out of a 'sense of loyalty' the nosedive is inevitable
if your economic gameplan depends on 'grateful fucks' who stick it out only out of a 'sense of loyalty' the nosedive is inevitable
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Today your Jobs-
Tomorrow your Wimmin....
BWA HAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tomorrow your Wimmin....
BWA HAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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hey, can't our mayor and governor "fix" this like they did with the tunnel?
don't even bother with a vote, since votes don't count.
don't even bother with a vote, since votes don't count.
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oh, and please turn out the lights as you leave (look it up if you didn't live in seattle during the early 1970's, dumbass transplant).
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David and Reality check, not only does your ideology blind you, it makes you really dreary people. I feel sorry for your families, and any friends you might have are surely earning their way to heaven by sitting through your tedious ponderings. Unless they are as boring as you are - in which case you deserve each other, and your undoubtedly abysmal dinner parties.
You can blame the union all you want and yes, they deserve some blame. But this deal was done the day Boeing decided to leave Marginal Way for the skyscrapers of Chicago. If our break up with Boeing continues to be gradual and relatively painless, it's actually going to be a pretty good deal for us. Payne Field would make a great alternative to Sea-Tac - or Airbus factory.
Personally, if I were the Machinists union, I would be throwing a lot of money at Charleston right now, because those workers will eventually want the services of the union.
The funny thing is that one only needs to look at history to see that Labor eventually trumps Capitol - or dies trying. But there are the occasional "victories": Just ask the Romanovs or Louis XVI how their labor problems worked out for them.
You can blame the union all you want and yes, they deserve some blame. But this deal was done the day Boeing decided to leave Marginal Way for the skyscrapers of Chicago. If our break up with Boeing continues to be gradual and relatively painless, it's actually going to be a pretty good deal for us. Payne Field would make a great alternative to Sea-Tac - or Airbus factory.
Personally, if I were the Machinists union, I would be throwing a lot of money at Charleston right now, because those workers will eventually want the services of the union.
The funny thing is that one only needs to look at history to see that Labor eventually trumps Capitol - or dies trying. But there are the occasional "victories": Just ask the Romanovs or Louis XVI how their labor problems worked out for them.
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I am amazed by the comments that SC provides low quality products. These comments are evidently from people who don’t have a clue what is happening here. I move here “because” of Engineering. Not only does SC have one of the highest per capita number of Engineers in the Union (take a moment and look up SC companies, engineering firms, etc.), very good BMW’s are manufactured here, GE gas turbines and wind turbines are designed and manufactured here as are Michelin tires and that is just in the Upstate. Next door in Georgia is where the F22 is built and in Savannah Gulfstream builds and designs corporate jets which is not that far from Charleston. Amazing how BMW just completed a new production line here because they know they can build world quality cars. So, you can about how dumb we are here while we shuffle our feet, say aw shucks and take your industry or you can stop crying and blaming other people for your problems and look at the reasons why “you” are loosing your industry to other regions.
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@46
",,...or dies trying"
You said it. Dead on Arrival.
Normally Catalina I think you provide some of the best written comments here. But not this one, Your weak attempts at trying to marginalize my earlier comments are sadly lacking any convincing persuasive logic. Please avoid trying to attack snarky my dear. I laugh whenever one of you cute hipsters try putting someone down by appearing more worldly thru complex prose. In all actuality it makes you look cheeky and fake when you take it too far... make a note of it. I've met many hipsters who sound all full of themselves in writing only to discover that they are the dullards who overcompensate for their lack of in person social skills in groups.
you may not agree with my assessments, but all one needs to do to gather other similar views, is to go visit any other area blogs/websites, to see that many analysts are indeed blaming the unions and their leadership at the source of the cause of this Boeing decision. You don't go on strike for 57 days at a cost of $100 million/day, and not expect long term repercussions. Boeing may have indeed started the "process" years prior to find alternative locations, but any prudent company would do the same if they continually were hamstrung by a labor force that insisted on striking on an almost yearly basis. Labor cared more about their extremely generous benefits, than they did about the company's success or quality products. Their loyalty extended as far as their checkbooks. For anyone who didn't have a dog in the fight this was plain to see. They were/are not indispensable or irreplaceable. They were paid FAR more than they were worth for the (lack of) complexity of work they performed, and it was obvious for all to see.
They should be thankful they lasted in Everett for as long as they did really......
It will indeed be interesting to see if South Carolina labor goes against their earlier word and decides to "get tough" with Boeing mgmt and unionize. That would be a fatal mistake on the part of the labor. They have ample evidence of what will happen to those precious jobs if they do make that fatal mistake.
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",,...or dies trying"
You said it. Dead on Arrival.
Normally Catalina I think you provide some of the best written comments here. But not this one, Your weak attempts at trying to marginalize my earlier comments are sadly lacking any convincing persuasive logic. Please avoid trying to attack snarky my dear. I laugh whenever one of you cute hipsters try putting someone down by appearing more worldly thru complex prose. In all actuality it makes you look cheeky and fake when you take it too far... make a note of it. I've met many hipsters who sound all full of themselves in writing only to discover that they are the dullards who overcompensate for their lack of in person social skills in groups.
you may not agree with my assessments, but all one needs to do to gather other similar views, is to go visit any other area blogs/websites, to see that many analysts are indeed blaming the unions and their leadership at the source of the cause of this Boeing decision. You don't go on strike for 57 days at a cost of $100 million/day, and not expect long term repercussions. Boeing may have indeed started the "process" years prior to find alternative locations, but any prudent company would do the same if they continually were hamstrung by a labor force that insisted on striking on an almost yearly basis. Labor cared more about their extremely generous benefits, than they did about the company's success or quality products. Their loyalty extended as far as their checkbooks. For anyone who didn't have a dog in the fight this was plain to see. They were/are not indispensable or irreplaceable. They were paid FAR more than they were worth for the (lack of) complexity of work they performed, and it was obvious for all to see.
They should be thankful they lasted in Everett for as long as they did really......
It will indeed be interesting to see if South Carolina labor goes against their earlier word and decides to "get tough" with Boeing mgmt and unionize. That would be a fatal mistake on the part of the labor. They have ample evidence of what will happen to those precious jobs if they do make that fatal mistake.
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What Boeing hasn't found out yet is that it will take twice as many SC workers to do the same job
else where. I was relocated here years ago. The labor isn't so cheap here in the big picture.companies move here then they leave after they figure that one out.
else where. I was relocated here years ago. The labor isn't so cheap here in the big picture.companies move here then they leave after they figure that one out.
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Hey Boeing Union. What do you expect...
The union destroyed the steel and the auto industries in this country by ridiculous strikes and other stupid demands.
The union pushed the steel industry to China and the auto industry to Japan.
You would think that by 2009 the stupid union would wake up and quit destroying manufacturing in this country. Boeing had no choice to tank the union before the union would tank Boeing from its rediculous greed and un-necessary trikes.
Good move Boeing, Stay Alive .....
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Smart move boeing, TANK the UNION... Srikes are death to healthy companies ...
The union destroyed the steel and the auto industries in this country by ridiculous strikes and other stupid demands.
The union pushed the steel industry to China and the auto industry to Japan.
You would think that by 2009 the stupid union would wake up and quit destroying manufacturing in this country. Boeing had no choice to tank the union before the union would tank Boeing from its rediculous greed and un-necessary trikes.
Good move Boeing, Stay Alive .....
.
Smart move boeing, TANK the UNION... Srikes are death to healthy companies ...
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@50, you and Reality Check and David really should go bowling together sometime. I'm sure you'd all hit it off.
As for you, Reality Check darling, thank you for calling me cute. When you get to be my age you don't hear that too often, so I'll take it any way that I can get it.
As for being a "hipster", I'm always amused when people like you throw that around as a pejorative, and it's especially funny when you aim it at me: I'm am about as unhip as one can get - on my best days, I'm what I would generally call "Nouveau Matronly". But I was hip in my day, and I believe that every young person should go through a hipster phase, lest they become boring and bogged down in what they consider "reality".
But onto other things.... You say that I am "marginalizing" you, but to back up your blind ideology, you only reference vague "blogs/websites" where "analysts" reinforce your charmingly idealistic and touchingly naive worldview. I could do the same thing on my side, and they would doubtless be more credible to me and less credible to you, but what would be the point?
I think you're wrong in this instance - or at least applying a much too simple judgment to it - and you are too committed to an ideology which is making you more and more defensive. Read back on your posts: Either you are deliberately contrarian, or you are deeply conflicted.
As for you, Reality Check darling, thank you for calling me cute. When you get to be my age you don't hear that too often, so I'll take it any way that I can get it.
As for being a "hipster", I'm always amused when people like you throw that around as a pejorative, and it's especially funny when you aim it at me: I'm am about as unhip as one can get - on my best days, I'm what I would generally call "Nouveau Matronly". But I was hip in my day, and I believe that every young person should go through a hipster phase, lest they become boring and bogged down in what they consider "reality".
But onto other things.... You say that I am "marginalizing" you, but to back up your blind ideology, you only reference vague "blogs/websites" where "analysts" reinforce your charmingly idealistic and touchingly naive worldview. I could do the same thing on my side, and they would doubtless be more credible to me and less credible to you, but what would be the point?
I think you're wrong in this instance - or at least applying a much too simple judgment to it - and you are too committed to an ideology which is making you more and more defensive. Read back on your posts: Either you are deliberately contrarian, or you are deeply conflicted.
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