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Homo / TV The Hate That Dare Not Speak Its Name: Colbert Goes After R-71 Backers
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:28 AM
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Ha! Just finished posting on the other thread.
"The Hate That Dare Not Speak It's Name."
Classic!
Since Approve 71 got the Colbert Bump, then that must mean we're in for a landslide. *fingers crossed and ballot sent in*
"The Hate That Dare Not Speak It's Name."
Classic!
Since Approve 71 got the Colbert Bump, then that must mean we're in for a landslide. *fingers crossed and ballot sent in*
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Yes, protect Loveschild and her vulnerable minority, and vote yes to approve R 71.
PS I'm sorry to hear about the hard times the nation of Scandinavia is suffering. I'll admit I had no idea this nation exisited.
PS I'm sorry to hear about the hard times the nation of Scandinavia is suffering. I'll admit I had no idea this nation exisited.
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I know I'm wrong but I can't help but wish we would put out a commercial that shows parading Nazis shouting "vote no on R-71!"
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I'm glad we have Stephen Colbert around to warn the world about the threat of gay ducks.
By the way, Loveschild, what do you think of the fact that defenders of marriage have to rely not only on made-up facts but made-up countries? It says something about the validity of their argument that they can't debate honestly.
By the way, Loveschild, what do you think of the fact that defenders of marriage have to rely not only on made-up facts but made-up countries? It says something about the validity of their argument that they can't debate honestly.
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So, Loveschild, having followed both links, I see you're posting stories about people being "punished" for their support of Prop 8. So what? Why is it okay to punish or even criticize people who disagree with your position, but wrong to do the same for people who agree with you?
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@5: But your side made sure to balance it out: http://www.towleroad.com/2008/12/four-so…
Oh wait, there's no balance here. A man refused to own up to his political beliefs and chose to leave a position because folks had problems with him using their money to finance a successful assault on equality and families. On the flipside, a woman was attacked for being a lesbian during what the FBI noted was a marked uptick in hate crimes post-Prop 8.
Oh wait, there's no balance here. A man refused to own up to his political beliefs and chose to leave a position because folks had problems with him using their money to finance a successful assault on equality and families. On the flipside, a woman was attacked for being a lesbian during what the FBI noted was a marked uptick in hate crimes post-Prop 8.
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@ LC, typical that you won't address the issue of your side having to make up outrageous lies (which breaks that "don't bear false witness" commandment) to fight gay rights.
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Disclose, nothing will happen. No. Nothing has happened before:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg…
And yeah, if we do as they say, lobby groups promise not to do this here.
We just have to vote the way they want us to vote. Pure comedy central material, tho not so humorous to those on the receiving end.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg…
And yeah, if we do as they say, lobby groups promise not to do this here.
We just have to vote the way they want us to vote. Pure comedy central material, tho not so humorous to those on the receiving end.
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I'm laughing so hard right now. Seriously, LC, that stuff your posting has been completely discredited already.
It's sad. You've been regurgitating arguments that you've been bitch-slapped with (like that stupid Marriage Is About Procreation thing.) You've LOST. Continuing to make a losing argument won't make you win.
It's sad. You've been regurgitating arguments that you've been bitch-slapped with (like that stupid Marriage Is About Procreation thing.) You've LOST. Continuing to make a losing argument won't make you win.
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Who exactly is "on the receiving end", Loveschild? You want to deny rights to same-sex couples. No one's denying you the right to be a bigot or to to spout whatever you believe. The only thing being denied "those on the receiving end" is the ability to declare that certain rights should be reserved only for a privileged few.
By the way, Loveschild, go back and listen to the piece, since you seem to be criticizing without having done so. You'll notice that opponents of domestic partnerships have been lying in their ads, using nonexistent facts as well as nonexistent countries. That's a point you seem to be avoiding, apparently because you don't like to admit that people you agree with are liars.
By the way, Loveschild, go back and listen to the piece, since you seem to be criticizing without having done so. You'll notice that opponents of domestic partnerships have been lying in their ads, using nonexistent facts as well as nonexistent countries. That's a point you seem to be avoiding, apparently because you don't like to admit that people you agree with are liars.
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So, we have:
1 theater director who makes money off of shows like Rent and Avenue Q
2 mormon churches
1 mexican restaurant
1 woman hit with a bible, her styrofoam cross crushed
Explain this, Loveschild: http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec…
Or here in Seattle: http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2009/0…
Google has more: http://www.google.com/search?q=hate+crim…
1 theater director who makes money off of shows like Rent and Avenue Q
2 mormon churches
1 mexican restaurant
1 woman hit with a bible, her styrofoam cross crushed
Explain this, Loveschild: http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec…
Or here in Seattle: http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2009/0…
Google has more: http://www.google.com/search?q=hate+crim…
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@ 14, LC has had these things answered tenfold almost a year ago when she was trotting this stuff out to prove that poor, poor pitiful Xtians were being persecuted.
It's like I said upthread - she's run out of stuff to say and can only bring out long-ago-discredited or long-ago-answered stuff to say. It's only a matter of time before she starts reposting shit from hard-right biased bigot sites again, then getting all sad that objective people won't take it seriously.
It's like I said upthread - she's run out of stuff to say and can only bring out long-ago-discredited or long-ago-answered stuff to say. It's only a matter of time before she starts reposting shit from hard-right biased bigot sites again, then getting all sad that objective people won't take it seriously.
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Oh it is so sad LC, so terribly sad to see people not wanting to support bigots. People have an absolute right to hate others as much as they like with no reprecussions. If you sign a goverment petition you are openly expressing views and people have a right to not support your views. If a company openly signs an agreement with a country that commits genocide, I have a right to not support that company.
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Sorry, but if you work with fags and then give money to deny fags their right you don't get to whine and cry about the consequences.
If a law advocating miscegenation law return got money from me, I can't exactly whine a cry that my black and interracial coworkers aren't too happy about it.
Anti-gay bigots apparantly don't have enough confidence in the rightness of their beliefs. They want to be bigots AND popular. Sorry, if you beleive gay people are second-class you have to own those beliefs and any fall-out that might ensue.
If a law advocating miscegenation law return got money from me, I can't exactly whine a cry that my black and interracial coworkers aren't too happy about it.
Anti-gay bigots apparantly don't have enough confidence in the rightness of their beliefs. They want to be bigots AND popular. Sorry, if you beleive gay people are second-class you have to own those beliefs and any fall-out that might ensue.
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It's sad to see a beneficiary of one civil-rights movement, our own dear Loveschild, get so emotionally invested in putting down another civil rights movement. You're betraying your heritage, sugarplum, and you're embarrassing yourself in the process.
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Oh Lovechild from the planet Homophobia. That you need to use lies and distortions to push your flawed arguments is very telling...and entertaining. (Facts and the truth are not on your side, are they?) Go to the country of Scandinavia, and do some research.
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It's intensely annoying to me that reporters can't make the distinction between "personal beliefs" and public action. When a theater director quits because of the backlash over his financial support of a political campaign, it has nothing to do with is "personal beliefs". A political campaign is a form of public action, just like voting on the floor of congress; we require that it be done publicly precisely because we want to be able to audit the process and hold people accountable. The fact that he's Mormon is only tangentially relevant, and a reporter should be critical enough to make that distinction, or at least ask a clarifying question that forces the interviewee to make it.
And seriously -- a musical theatre director supporting Prop 8? WTF did he think was going to happen? That's like an NBA coach joining the KKK.
Political speech is protected to the extent that anyone can say anything they want; that doesn't mean everyone gets to do it anonymously under all circumstances. Disclosure forms and petitions are public for a reason.
And seriously -- a musical theatre director supporting Prop 8? WTF did he think was going to happen? That's like an NBA coach joining the KKK.
Political speech is protected to the extent that anyone can say anything they want; that doesn't mean everyone gets to do it anonymously under all circumstances. Disclosure forms and petitions are public for a reason.
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Sorry, but if you work with fags and then give money to deny fags their right you don't get to whine and cry about the consequences.
Sadly it seems to be true that some people will hate no matter what. I believe growing acceptance of homosexuality has to do with the fact that many people know someone who's homosexual and seeing the consequences of discrimination firsthand. And then you have someone like Loveschild who, in spite of all the facts, and no matter what he/she/it sees, continues to believe homosexuals don't deserve the same rights he/she/it enjoys.
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Lonnie, you need to register in order to share links. Since you seem to be a regular poster, why not do so?
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Loveschild, how are you even able to post here, when you've got the cocks of the ghosts of Lester Maddox and Bull Connor in your mouth?
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True story: last time I had my teeth checked, the dentist talked about her coming to Christ, and then asked if she could talk to me about the gospel. She gave me a come-to-Jesus talk while she had sharp things in my mouth. I was more shocked than offended, but it was, at the very least, inappropriate. Now I'm in the market for a new dentist, but it has less to do with her religious beliefs than the way she approached me with them.
I honestly take no issue with any person of faith -- but sometimes I find their behavior atrocious, and it is for this that I dislike them, as I would dislike anyone (religious or not) who behaved shittily. I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions, which is why the signature list for R-71 should be released.
And I don't think it'll come to this, but if a few bigots get lynched, I consider it payback for the countless minorities who have been beaten, jailed, killed, ostracized, or otherwise victimized over the course of history. You had it coming.
I honestly take no issue with any person of faith -- but sometimes I find their behavior atrocious, and it is for this that I dislike them, as I would dislike anyone (religious or not) who behaved shittily. I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions, which is why the signature list for R-71 should be released.
And I don't think it'll come to this, but if a few bigots get lynched, I consider it payback for the countless minorities who have been beaten, jailed, killed, ostracized, or otherwise victimized over the course of history. You had it coming.
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29, One of my dental hygienists is like that, too. Not the regular one I see, but she fills in sometimes.
I hate it. It's unprofessional and there's no way to complain while it's happening.
I hate it. It's unprofessional and there's no way to complain while it's happening.
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@5, we have every right to stop giving our business to anyone who fights to have our rights taken away. If you owned a business, you can bet I would not shop there. I don't want my money being used against me.
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@29, 30 - Ack!!! Makes you wonder if that's why they got into the profession in the first place ... talk about a captive audience. Fuck! You should totally tell the dentists they work for, assuming they don't already know. And if they do, then, yeah ... time to find a new dentist's office.
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Speech has consequences. If you aren't prepared to deal with the logical consequences of your speech, don't speak. End of story.
My love for Stephen Colbert grows every time I watch him.
My love for Stephen Colbert grows every time I watch him.
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@5, 6, 11: People have a right to decide how to spend their money. That means bigots have a right to decide to give money to bigoted causes, but it also means the rest of us have a right to decide *not* to give money to them by patronizing their businesses. I oppose the (rare incidents of) vandalism, but boycotts are a natural part of consumer freedom.
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(Responding more to the links than anything here) I hate when people say they are being "attacked" or "intimidated" when what they are really complaining about is being criticized. If there is no physical violence, no threat of physical violence and no one is carrying a weapon - you are merely receiving a verbal dressing down, not being attacked or intimidated. Stop being such a whiny crybaby and take the social consequences of your anti-social actions!
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