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Religion Special Rights for Bigots Watch
Posted by Dan Savage on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Ignoring court orders, flouting public disclosure rules, suing to keep public documents out of the hands of the public—the rules just don't apply to them:
A federal judge said sponsors of California's ban on same-sex marriage may not delay in handing over campaign strategy documents to gay-rights groups that are looking for evidence of anti gay bias as they try to overturn the measure. The sponsors had sought to keep the documents while challenging the order to turn them over in an appeals court. But in a ruling late Friday, Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker of San Francisco said backers of Proposition 8 had failed to show that disclosing internal memos and e-mails would violate their freedom of speech or subject them to harassment....Plaintiffs in the suit said documents from the Yes on 8 campaign might help them prove that the ballot measure was motivated by anti-gay bias, which would increase their chances of overturning it. The measure's sponsors, a conservative religious coalition called Protect Marriage, said voters were entitled to reaffirm the traditional definition of marriage and that the organizers' alleged motives were irrelevant.
The court disagrees—hand over those documents, bigots.
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they'll keep delaying until it's before the us supreme court, and then there'll be a 5-4 decision making an exception just this once - like bush v. gore.
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@1 and then the Legislative Branch will crap themselves, along with the Judiciary, as the ACLU and a host of groups will open the lawsuit wars to end all lawsuit wars to fight the Supreme Court on that one.
We're all pro-civil rights here, and the other side is all pro-hate, but none of us have anything when it comes to the zealotry of the open info guys.
I adore them, but sometimes they scare me in a good way.
We're all pro-civil rights here, and the other side is all pro-hate, but none of us have anything when it comes to the zealotry of the open info guys.
I adore them, but sometimes they scare me in a good way.
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What's also telling about all this, Dan, is just the sheer resistance the hate groups are demonstrating to getting any and all sunshine on their activities.
It's just further evidence that all their claims of abuse aimed at themselves is smoke and mirrors, and a shell game to allow them to practice hate freely. They then don't want that hatred tied to their personal names and personalities, because of the repercussions this will cause them on their personal and business lives. They want the freedom of the American system, but not the responsibility, so that they can hide behind the facade of a "group" with no one person being tied to the hate.
It's just further evidence that all their claims of abuse aimed at themselves is smoke and mirrors, and a shell game to allow them to practice hate freely. They then don't want that hatred tied to their personal names and personalities, because of the repercussions this will cause them on their personal and business lives. They want the freedom of the American system, but not the responsibility, so that they can hide behind the facade of a "group" with no one person being tied to the hate.
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@2: The open government folks are already lining up over the R-71 disclosure challenge in case it hits the SCOTUS.
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Are internal memos and e-mails at The Stranger "public documents"?
You girls are so preciously stupid.
You girls are so preciously stupid.
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@6, Has The Stranger made any new laws recently? This is about the legislative process, not about reporting.
Now hold on a sec. They need to prove Prop 8 was based on Anti-Gay bias? What's the other alternative? Of course it's anti-gay bias. Are there people out there who somehow thing Prop 8 is pro-gay? How exactly does that help anyway?
Now hold on a sec. They need to prove Prop 8 was based on Anti-Gay bias? What's the other alternative? Of course it's anti-gay bias. Are there people out there who somehow thing Prop 8 is pro-gay? How exactly does that help anyway?
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Protect Marriage hasn't made any laws.
You must have them confused with the 7 MILLION California voters who passed Prop 8.
And the Liberal California Justices who affirmed it.
It's called Democracy.
Deal with it.
Protect Marriage hasn't made any laws.
You must have them confused with the 7 MILLION California voters who passed Prop 8.
And the Liberal California Justices who affirmed it.
It's called Democracy.
Deal with it.
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@5 What has Lonnie Lopez done to help approve referendum 71?
1) He sold the Socialist Paper outside the Capitol Hill community organizing meeting, but did not attend the meeting itself.
2) He gave a self serving speech at the failed local equality march. In it he spoke about how important he was to the LGBT community and how he is friendly with other people doing great things.
3) He wrote "news" articles twisting facts to make his cult look more appealing to the grassroots. (I can tell you with authority that the article above is full of shit).
What hasn't he done?
As a regular volunteer I have NEVER seen Lonnie set foot in the campaign office. He has NEVER volunteered for any of the out reach. He has NEVER said a nice thing about anyone that did not buy his line of bullshit.
Lonnie Lopez. Seattle's biggest Douche-bag.
1) He sold the Socialist Paper outside the Capitol Hill community organizing meeting, but did not attend the meeting itself.
2) He gave a self serving speech at the failed local equality march. In it he spoke about how important he was to the LGBT community and how he is friendly with other people doing great things.
3) He wrote "news" articles twisting facts to make his cult look more appealing to the grassroots. (I can tell you with authority that the article above is full of shit).
What hasn't he done?
As a regular volunteer I have NEVER seen Lonnie set foot in the campaign office. He has NEVER volunteered for any of the out reach. He has NEVER said a nice thing about anyone that did not buy his line of bullshit.
Lonnie Lopez. Seattle's biggest Douche-bag.
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They should join their efforts with what will hopefully soon be the Supreme court case of the petition signers here. There's just no way that they will get an impartial and fair hearing in California or in the pro-gay 9 circuit.
Because if the judge refused to see the harassment, vandalism and desecration of some churches in the aftermath of the people deciding Prop 8
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section…
Then, no time should be wasted there and it needs to be taken to D.C.
Because if the judge refused to see the harassment, vandalism and desecration of some churches in the aftermath of the people deciding Prop 8
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section…
Then, no time should be wasted there and it needs to be taken to D.C.
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@11
You think churches have something to fear? What about all the hatemail they get at the WAFST office? A friend showed me a letter they received there the other day that said "I voted no, you sick fuckn [sic] freaks! I hope you die from AIDS"
The moral of the story here is that if you're so afraid of the consequences of what you say - then shut up. Clearly, people on the Approve Referendum 71 side are willing to put their faces and names to what they stand for, even in the face of some pretty nasty commentary from the opposition. Apparently, people on the Re-ject side are not. Brings the whole thing into a new perspective, that.
You think churches have something to fear? What about all the hatemail they get at the WAFST office? A friend showed me a letter they received there the other day that said "I voted no, you sick fuckn [sic] freaks! I hope you die from AIDS"
The moral of the story here is that if you're so afraid of the consequences of what you say - then shut up. Clearly, people on the Approve Referendum 71 side are willing to put their faces and names to what they stand for, even in the face of some pretty nasty commentary from the opposition. Apparently, people on the Re-ject side are not. Brings the whole thing into a new perspective, that.
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Well, since all those pro-8 people were murdered by roving insane-homosexual gangs, can you blame them? The blood ran thick in the streets. They even crucified one on a fence!
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The Amazing Jim @13, An electrified fence, no less. It was glorious. We're thinking of having further barbecues after the razing of the St. Mary's Cathedral and the LDS Sunset Ward Bishop this weekend. Watch us on the news!
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