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Politics / City / TV McGinn vs. Mallahan, Part III
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Tonight's debate is on KCTS, channel 9, at 7 pm. Unlike last night's debate, which had been taped earlier in the day, tonight's is live. If you see something, say something—in the comments.
7 pm: It begins with Enrique Cerna saying, "Stay with us as we pin the candidates down on the biggest issues of the campaign." Mallahan is in a yellow-and-blue tie that looks like wrapping paper; McGinn is in a red tie.
7:02 pm: Joe Mallahan has a very strange smile, no?
7:03 pm: McGinn: "I'm running for mayor because I love this city... One of the ways you can tell what a candidate cares about is not just what they say but what they've done." And then he launches into his very well practiced list of civic accomplishments. Sidewalks, law firm, Sierra Club, starting a nonprofit called Great City, light rail, the parks levy, etc.
7:05 pm: Mallahan: "Thank you everybody for listening tonight and watching on KCTS. I'm running because I really want to see us keeping Seattle moving forward... We need to move forward on job creation... We need to move forward on public safety... We need to move forward with smart transportation solutions... And we need to move forward with regard to our progessive values... " Bring us all together to "move Seattle forward." STOP SAYING "MOVING FORWARD"!
7:08 pm: The question, for McGinn: How do you explain changing your position on the tunnel and convince voters you're not a flip-flopper? "I still oppose that deep-bore tunnel. I think it's the wrong choice for Seattle. It's too expensive... But when I held 18 town halls around the city, a lot of people said they were opposed to the tunnel, but other people said, 'Mike, if you don't get your way, are you going to tie this city up in knots?' Well, two weeks before the election, the city council voted 9-0 in favor of the deep bore tunnel. Of course, as the mayor, I don't pick and choose which laws I enforce..." He says his position is that we shouldn't proceed with the tunnel if Seattle has to pay cost overruns, and says that Mallahan's position is that we should proceed even if Seattle has to pay cost overruns.
7:12 pm: McGinn, on the cost overruns, after establishing how common cost overruns are on projects like this: "A 50% overrun would be a 2 billion dollar tax on Seattle... That would be $15,000 for every household in Seattle."
7:13 pm: Mallahan feigns confusion over Mike's position and says Mike doesn't want the city to have living wage jobs. Or something?
7:14 pm: Question for Mallahan from Joni Balter. If there are cost overruns, what will you do to make sure Seattle doesn't get stuck with them? "Joni, I like any taxpayer am concerned about any cost overruns... It's my job to make sure overruns don't occur... I have a lot of management experience... on time and on budget."
7:16 pm: McGinn: "Joe misses the point when he tells us the state law is unconstitutional. Does he intend to litigate? That's interesting..." Goes on to point out that a good manager knows who reports to them, and that the Washington State Department of Transportation doesn't report to the mayor of Seattle. "There's no way a mayor of Seattle is going to be able to manage cost overruns on a Washington State Department of Transportation project." McGinn is not mentioning tonight, as he did last night, that the companies who stand to make millions in the tunnel project—and potentially millions more in cost overruns—are funding and running Mallahan's campaign.
7:19 pm: Mallahan: "I have a long history of hiring people way smarter than I am." Um, no one's doubting that. "I drive accountability in the organizations that I lead." Man, Mallahan sure does a lot of driving—driving accountability, driving efficiencies, driving things forward. Stop driving so much, Joe. Just pull over for a sec.
7:21 pm: Who's going to be your deputy mayor? Who's going to help you run the city? McGinn says he hasn't picked yet, that governing is different than running a campaign, and "I'm going to bring in a lot of people" to help him make those decisions. Mallahan says he agrees, and that he's very proud of running a campaign that's "professional"—a subtle dig at the McGinn camp for having no paid staffers, the way Mallahan does.
7:22 pm: The question: "Mr. Mallahan, you've failed to vote in more than 13 elections, including last September's primary." Essentially, WTF? Mallahan apologizes, says there's no excuse, and promises to do better. "I think it is not an accurate reflection of my commitment to community and my commitment to people." Then he mentions community involvement in his kids' schools, Treehouse, community organizing in Chicago. McGinn is asked why he's missed four elections, and he apologizes and says there's no excuse, adding, "I've definitely made more elections than I've missed in Seattle, and I've also worked to not just vote, but to get things on the ballot." He mentions parks, sidewalks, roads and transit, light rail, and a voter education campaign to get Maria Cantwell elected (against "Joe's former employer Slade Gorton").
7:26 pm: Joni Balter calls Mallahan's position on the gun ban "a little murky, hard to follow." Mallahan calls the gun ban "a gesture at best" that consists mostly of "putting up signs in parks."
7:29 pm: In a pretty remarkable rhetorical tear, jumping from the gun ban to the tunnel to the Burke-Gilman trail, McGinn shows that Mallahan's answer to everything is litigation.
7:31 pm: After Mallahan drops Obama's name and talks about being "a lifelong Democrat," McGinn says: "What being a Democrat means is that you stand up for people against power..." He talks about what Mallahan was saying at the beginning of the campaign versus what he's saying now. "In all my years in politics, I have never seen a canidate go from idealistic outsider to the status quo in that period of time."
7:32 pm: What will you do if Eyman's I-1033 passes? McGinn: "I-1033 is a nightmare for city government... My first goal would be that everybody in this room vote against it, and encourage everyone else they know to vote against it." Mallahan: "The first thing I would do is weep." He argues that the city is already weakened by all the initiatives Eyman has passed. Then Mallahan calls his own call for a repeal of the head tax "kind of symbolic and kind of Republican-sounding." That's a strange way to describe one's own position on something.
7:35 pm: "I have driven literally hundreds of millions of dollars in savings in operations of large companies." Joe, seriously, stop driving. Step away from the vehicle.
7:40 pm: They're talking about panhandling legislation. Joni Balter asks if it's ever appropriate for a homeless person to touch you in the course of panhandling. McGinn says it's not, but that we shouldn't be pursuing panhandling legislation that's just going to push the homeless into new neighborhoods because it doesn't get at the root causes of homelessness. Joe Mallahan keeps saying that he thinks the homeless should be treated with "dignity." He's an advocate for "dignity." And holding himself "accountable" and holding police officers "accountable." They should show "respect and dignity" for people across Seattle.
7:42 pm: A question about gangs and public safety. McGinn: "You know, Joe, you keep accusing me of politicizing issues of public safety... And there's something else you keep saying, which is that you'll be present for Southeast Seattle. And you know on Monday night, I went to probably one of the toughest forums that I'd ever been to--a mother of someone who'd been shot, two people who'd been incarcerated--and they were angry. And you weren't there, Joe. You weren't present... I think you're politicizing this." McGinn goes on to accuse Mallahan of politicizing the police chief search, delaying it so that Mallahan can have more control over it, rather than letting it develop for the time being under Nickels's leadership.
7:44 pm: In response, Mallahan literally starts naming black people who have endorsed him. Then he says, "Africans endorse my candidacy." Oh. My. God.
7:47 pm: McGinn is getting very aggressive, telling the moderator who has time left, etc. Next question: If you could accomplish one thing, what would it be? McGinn says: A government that is transparent, a government that listens. He talks about sidewalks in Greenwood and his neighbors' skepticism about the city making a sidewalks project worse. "I know it sounds kind of trite, but it's real. People have to know government wants to be in a position to help them." Mallahan: "Deborah, if I could accomplish one thing, it's that everyone in Seattle who wants a job can have a job, and a job that's a living-wage job."
7:50 pm: Closing statements already?
7:51 pm: From Mallahan's closing statement: "We have big problems to solve and we have big things to achieve with regard to our progressive values... I was born and raised on the beaches and the tideflats of the Puget Sound. I know what's in the Puget Sound. I eat a lot of it." Mallahan calls the city's "sewage issues" "not a sexy thing" but "something we need to focus on."
7:53 pm: From McGinn's closing statement: "You know, I got involved in this race because at my nonprofit at Great city, when I worked with people across the city, there was a sense that government wasn't listening to them anymore... I got into this race because I thought it was improtant to try to build on the work I'd done begore—in Greenwood, in the Sierra Club, at Great City... The things I picked out [to focus on in this campaign] were education... Light rail to neighborhoods that don't have it... Green jobs... Updating our internet infrastructure... But more than that, in all the work I've done in the city, the people of Seattle care about this city, they love this city, they're passionate about it, and when you challenge them to step forward... people are ready to tackle problems if we're ready to do it.... We're going to have to reach out to communities to work together to solve the problems we face."
And... we're done. Not a barnburner like last night. Have at it in the comments.
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Of course McGinn pipped him on that.
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Oh, and "communities of color." Drinking again.
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"If that makes me a republican..."
Moveforwardmoveforwardmoveforwardmoveforwardmoveforwardmoveforwardmoveforward
And let's eat more things from The Puget Sound, who needs this Transplant from The Lonk Oiland Sound!
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"communities of color"
"Obama"
"pragmatic"
"driven"
"move(ing) forward"
"15 years of management experience"
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Just wow.
And it's 2-0 for McGinn. Will Mallahan pull off a total route of his insider candidacy, or will his high-priced campaign consultants manage to replace his brain?
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I wouldn't say Mike trounced Joe like last night, but he does seem like a guy who knows the city. Joe not so much.
Mike is the embodiment of lesser Seattle. No thanks.
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Exactly. Joe is an empty-headed middle manager who's never had the courage or intelligence to make a decision in his entire career. He is a living Dilbert cartoon.
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No need for satire here people, that's already taken care of.
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Other than the deaf, everybody was listening.
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Bon voyage.
If you look at recent Seattle history, you will find that despite the fact that just about every Seattle voter perceives themselves as a savvy, well-informed and well-educated voter (and, to their credit, they do try and educate themselves - which means following Muni League and Times endorsements), most of them fall for the same soft vague centrist pablum time and time again.
Sad, isn't it?
And you know, his main claim to fame at this point is that he deprived this city of a perfectly good mayor, the primary effect of which will be to plunge city hall into chaos for a few years regardless of who wins.
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Yowza. Joltin Joe just can't catch a break. Maybe he should lay off the steroids and get a bike.
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since you feel obligated to post the same shit here and at publicola ("a perfectly good mayor"), I'll reply here as I did there, that it's a good thing that 76% of the primary voters disagreed with your assessment of what a good mayor is.
McGinn didn't do PorkChop in anymore than Mallahan did. Greg did it to himself by being such an autocratic asshole. Bon voyage baby. (And actually, the person who probably most did Greggo in as far as primary votes was one Ms. Jan Drago, if you really want to assign blame).
If someone's saying stupid stuff, you don't need to point out that it's stupid or make snide remarks about it in the running commentary. Just tell us what they said. It's sort of like explaining the punchline to a joke.
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My favorite part was when McGinn called out Mallahan for constantly talking about how he's going to be "present" for people of the South End, when that doesn't mean anything, and Mallahan responded by repeating several times over how as mayor he was indeed going to be "present". Surreal.
Mallahan isn't really an English speaker, as that term is commonly understood. I'm sure it goes down a storm in the boardroom, but in the real world it just rolls over you like a tidal wave of bullshit.
I'm made up. Hold my nose and vote McGinn.
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In fact, one woman cut into me and asked me who I was voting for.
In all of Seattle, from West Seattle to Northgate to Madrona to First Hill to SE Seattle, I've only seen ONE Mallahan sign.
Interesting. Mallahan must be a stealth candidate.
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@110 That's funny, cause this is one of the few times I feel like I'm actually happy to vote FOR a mayoral candidate as opposed to just against the other guy.
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I was riding the bus home (not my usual one) and this older lady (we started talking about when the bus would get there, etc) kind of went on about how she liked McGinn - kind of interesting, as I only said I really liked what I'd seen on TV about him.
Bus trips are fun - if you listen you learn a lot.
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They both came off as smarmy, and McGinn is deluded and can only focus on one thing "The tunnel! The tunnel!".....Whah.
One thing if for sure, at this level of politics, we shouldn't get hung up on who is a better debater on TV. They were both pretty bad in their own way.
Also WTF - that's what Joni Balter looks like? What's with the wig?
The 2 Mayoral candidates have “Tunnel Vision”. The “tunnel” is what they talk about. Instead we need to tell our public servants to frame their campaigns and terms of office around the following issues.
Green
Culturally and Ethnically Inclusive
Livable neighborhoods, parks and recreation
The Arts
Quality of Life
Families
Cutting edge research and development
Full employment and prosperity
Parks
Innovative
Connected, Wired
Global
Pragmatic
Philanthropic
Safest
Productive and Efficient
Educated
Health and Human Care
Full potential
Leadership
Values
We will add to this list and flesh it out. Then “dig in” to the inspiring work that goes beyond “tunnel vision”. Can you dig it? What are your ideas?
Bob Jarmick
4232 48th Ave S
Seattle, WA 98118
(206) 725-4142
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