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Sunday, October 18, 2009

Mallahan vs. McGinn Debate

Posted by on Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM

It begins at 6:00 p.m. on KIRO—channel 7.

In theory, the debate will stream over here. KIRO sent out a picture of the debate room on Twitter: behold. Last time we watched these guys on the Seattle Channel, Mike McGinn seemed to frame most of the discussion (tunnels kill, extend light rail to Guam) and Joe Mallahan shot back. Tonight it will be interesting to see if Mallahan presents his own ideas and manages to wrest control over the debate.

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6:00: Steve Raible and Angela Russell vow to be militant timekeepers.

6:02: Opening remarks. Mallahan says he got into the race because Seattle government is inefficient and it's "at risk of moving backwards." He says we need to move "forward," "forward," "forward." The worst thing we could do is obstruct the movement of goods through Seattle, he says. McGinn tells the story of getting involved in politics by working with neighbors to build sidewalks. He wants to invest in education, good transit, protecting bus service, creating jobs, and bloody internet service for everyone. One word he didn't say: "tunnel."

6:04: McGinn would protect health and human services. Mallahan says, "I believe the priorities that Mike listed are reasonable," but he adds, "My opponent has no management experience, no experience driving efficiencies."

6:07: What would you do about the bloody snowstorm thing? Take a drink. We should have salted the roads, blah, blah, blah....

6:10: Russell asks how far do we push green legislation? McGinn says he wants to pull in federal grants. Mallahan hearts "greet jobs" and the Puget Sound. Sweeping our streets would increase bicycle safety and do "great things for Puget Sound." Both dodge the implied question: "Do we pass a disposable bag ban?"

6:13: What past mayor do you respect? Mallahan seems to skirt the issue, saying he wants some departments run like a cell-phone company. He says, we should "drive a culture of service in the planning department and the department of transportation." McGinn likes Norm Rice's work to collaborate with other departments to improve schools. Looks like we're off to a commercial. And... take a drink.

6:15: They get to ask each other a question. Mallahan cites a quote from McGinn about not being the guy who makes sure the columns add up. How should we make the conclusion that you're qualified if you have zero management experience? McGinn says he's managed attorneys at Stokes Lawrenece, he ran the parks levy campaign, and he notes that he defeated a project supported by Slade "skeletor" Gorton, who he points out has donated to Mallahan. "I notice that your campaign is $95,000 in debt," says McGinn. Zing!

6:20: Nic in Greenlake comments, "I'd feel ok about Mallahan if Hutchison didn't have a shot at winning..."

6:21: Essex Porter asks about the gun ban proposed by Nickels. Was it fair of McGinn to use robo-calls to say that Mallahan wanted to repeal the gun ban when he didn't say, exactly, that he wanted to repeal it. McGinn points out that according to Porter's own coverage, Mallahan said he signaled his intent to oppose it—which amounts to an executive order to repeal it. Mallahan says the robocalls—which called his wife—were a "lie." Mallahan demands an apology. McGinn says, "I don't owe you an apology, because he told the public he doesn't support the gun ban, and you heard him right here, he doesn't."

6:26: How do we draw suburban jobs to Seattle? "Treat residents as customers not as inmates," says Mallahan. Which is, um, a really weird thing to say. Right? McGinn makes the standard lefty argument that light rail, internet, and other infrastructure makes a city desirable for business.

6:30: An odd question about racial profiling, because we're looking for a new police chief... McGinn dances around the question. Mallahan says McGinn "simply doesn't get it," saying that picking the next chief is the most pressing personnel decision the city is facing.

6:32: A boring question about whether Seattle takes too much time talking, but not enough time doing. Um, isn't this debate is part of the problem? Asks stinkbug in comments, "Mike's constant use of "um" - endearing or annoying?" Discuss during commercial break. Woo hoo—power chairs!

6:33: Mallahan seems to be doing much better this deabte. Less snark, and more combative. Still, for an agent of change, he's short on ideas.

6:35: Someone writes in to KIRO because he likes indigent people, but, frankly, they freak him out. What do we do about the panhandling homeless? McGinn acknowledges that now is a really bad time for human services, but he supports shelters, getting folks off street, and supporting public-safety measures when people are out of control. Mallahan says it's important that people observe the "social contract" and "ensure that everybody feels safe downtown."

6:38: A question about disparity in services and opportunity for nonwhite residents. How do we achieve balance? Mallahan seems to flounder, says we need to make sure schools in the south end have the same support as schools in the north end. He notes that "race is real." McGinn's talks about the diversity of the city and make it the greatest place it can be. Double fail.

6:40: The inevitable tunnel question. McGinn says $1.8 billion is still unaccounted for from the city and county. "It's not clear we are going to find the money," he says. Cost overruns, he adds, "could devastate everything else we are trying to do with our city budget." Mallahan says it's time to "move forward." He would coordinate with all the agencies to make sure we come in "on time, on budget." Keeps saying "move forward."

6:45: Mallahan won't stop saying "Mike simply doesn't get it" and "moving forward."

6:48: Final remarks are coming up—after a few important words from Nissan.

6:49: KIRO is "swamped" with Twitter comments asking about what the men are doing to support Referendum 71. Mallahan says it shouldn't be on the ballot, but, since it is, people should vote to "approve R-71." McGinn says marched for R-71 on Capitol Hill. Huzzah—a city where even the conservative candidate loves teh 'mos. Next question from Twitter: Should we invest in Key Arena to bring NBA back to Seattle? They both support renovating the arena, but McGinn says we shouldn't do it at the expense of other budget priorities.

6:52: Closing statements. McGinn recaps his robust civic record. Mallahan talks about a few nonprofits that he's worked with, including Treehouse—really?—and coaching girls' soccer to prove he's not a vote-evading slouch. Mallahan plays the lawyer card against McGinn, who has "spent most of his career as a litigator."

6:55: Drumrolls and exit music... we're done.

 

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stinkbug 1
I can't believe this Mallahan dood is gonna be da mayor.
Posted by stinkbug on October 18, 2009 at 6:02 PM
2
It's best in hi-def!
Posted by Timothy on October 18, 2009 at 6:04 PM
3
drinks on "driving efficiencies"
Posted by Timothy on October 18, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Baconcat 4
JFC, Mallahan is painful to listen to without Charla sitting up there talking for him.
Posted by Baconcat on October 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM
5
Mallahan can't speak to the question of which past Mayor he respects, because he either hasn't been here or hasn't paid attention to Seattle politics...ever.
Posted by Timothy on October 18, 2009 at 6:12 PM
6
I'd feel ok about Mallahan if Hutchison didn't have a shot at winning...
Posted by Nic in Greenlake on October 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM
7
Sometimes Joe Mallahan's post-political, issue-free candidacy comes across as a kind of performance art or practical joke crafted by a group of bright political consultants who made a bet with each other. Or like an experiment just to prove that we Seattleites, for all our highfalutin reputation, are just as gullible and superficial as all those voters in the nation's heartland we look down upon.

Yes, we too can have a smart CEO mayor, and we don't have to think about unpleasant things like politics and issues and having to take positions or make painful decisions.
Posted by cressona on October 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM
8
Mallahan's democratic values are "unasailable." He fails to mention that this is primarily because they are unverifiable.
Posted by Timothy on October 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Baconcat 9
Ouch, McGinn went right for the throat with that debt line.
Posted by Baconcat on October 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
stinkbug 10
These guys hate each other.
Posted by stinkbug on October 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM
stinkbug 11
Mike's constant use of "um" - endearing or annoying?
Posted by stinkbug on October 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Baconcat 12
@11: Nobody elects community organizers that say "um" a lot
Posted by Baconcat on October 18, 2009 at 6:31 PM
13
For the uninitiated, "drive" (as in driving efficiencies) is the corporate buzzword used by corporate executives to co-opt the successes of others by claiming things were their ideas inthe first place. No, they didn't actually DO the work -- but they are high enough up to take credit for the success of others, often for things outside of their chain of command.

Mallahan's current job is in strategy. Get it? This way he can take credit for successes without actually implementing them -- as disregard failures because he's not actually responsible for them.

I've heard too many putzes in the workplace use "drive" -- and that's the last thing we need in a mayor.
Posted by Oneway on October 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM
14
Ahhh...Mr. Mallahan got his feelings hurt and wants an apology.
Posted by Timothy on October 18, 2009 at 6:46 PM
stinkbug 15
I liked the "challenge" cards used in the Susan/Dow debate from a few days ago. Spiced things up a bit. There's little follow-up on their answers tonight.
Posted by stinkbug on October 18, 2009 at 6:47 PM
16
Keep talking about the robo call Mallahan, because it keeps emphasizing the point that you oppose the efforts of Mayor Nickles, but by not saying it explicitly, you look evasive.
Posted by Timothy on October 18, 2009 at 6:48 PM
17
@ 16 - FTW
Posted by Joe lies on October 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Baconcat 18
Got stale, so off it went... too bad I missed this:

Mallahan says it should be on the ballot


WHAT.

I'm sorry, but WHAT.

Context, please.
Posted by Baconcat on October 18, 2009 at 6:56 PM
19
Mallahan said the Ref 71 should NOT be on the ballot, incorrect reference at 6:49
Posted by dustyhawk on October 18, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Baconcat 20
Oh, good.

Dominic should have done some finger stretches 'cuz finger cramps aren't conducive to typing every thought out properly.
Posted by Baconcat on October 18, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Reality Check 21
yawn. The football game is much better....

I'll catch the replay online...
Posted by Reality Check http://www.nraila.org on October 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM
22
They are both losers.
Just what Seattle deserves.
Posted by Hip to the Maximus on October 18, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Dominic Holden 23
@ 18, 19, 20. It's fixed. Was typing fast. But I did mention that Seattle is "a city where even the conservative candidate loves teh 'mos."
Posted by Dominic Holden on October 18, 2009 at 7:07 PM
24
I filled out my ballot while watching the debate. Voted for McGinn, even though I'm one of those annoying car people who supports the tunnel.
Posted by Nic in Greenlake on October 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 25
The tunnel is going to happen, no matter what McGinn says - the wheels of government have already started moving, and they are almost impossible to stop - but I'm voting for McGinn anyway. The only time to vote for a CEO is when you are sending them someplace far away.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on October 18, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Will in Seattle 26
Right, and we're going to have a monorail and a light rail from 30 years ago and the Roads and Transit will pass, @25.

Great debate, much better than the prior ones.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 18, 2009 at 7:51 PM
27
methinks we need to drive efficiencies in Joe's speaking, replacing some of the empty slogans and catch-phrases with actual content.
Posted by tiodan on October 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 28
Will dear - remember the stadiums? How they were built despite everyone voting against them? That's what's happening with the tunnel. The prep work has been going on for years.

Don't forget - there's some very wealthy people who will become even wealthier once their property becomes view property. They run the town, not the mayor.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on October 18, 2009 at 8:21 PM
29
We did vote for the seahawk stadium... it was just the mariners stadium that narrowly failed, and the legislature built anyway.
Posted by Your Name Hear on October 18, 2009 at 8:41 PM
30
@12: They don't elect community organizers that say "um" a lot, you're right. They hire them, but they don't elect them.

However, Mallahan won't be elected because he's a community organizer. People who care about real community organizing aren't going to vote for him, and people who are going to vote for him don't care about community organizing.
Posted by sarah68 on October 18, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 31
You're right, 29. Sorry about that. But the point remains - they're gonna build that thing. I don't believe it will be stopped.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on October 18, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Will in Seattle 32
People believed that the express ramps to nowhere were going to be built.

And that the SR-99 ramps that were never completed when it was built were going to go through.

Things change.

Now is one of those times.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 18, 2009 at 11:17 PM
33
Slog missed Obama's big attack on the insurers this weekend; apparently the white house is really pissed that they, um, lied in their big report on premium escalation. Wow. Starting to get it that sitting down with insurers may not be the way to go.
And white house even hinted at ending their antitrust exemption, woo hoo.

Fasctinating talk by Spitzer: why not fucking eliminate it pronto, in exchange for.....nothing!

Since they're total monopolists often with 90 percent market share and we know the state by state regulation doesn't do jack.

Spitzer then said gee why'd it take a false report by the insurers on their cost escalation for us to come up with this idea of ending their......legal monopoly.

and now we return to mallahan and mcginn thank you.
Posted by Slog missed Obama pretending to attack insurers on October 19, 2009 at 6:59 AM
Reality Check 34
@32 except of course when that silly city council votes to accept terms for covering cost overruns on the tunnel...

like they are voting on today, and will pass.

The tunnel is going through.. it is done. fini. so last year...

moving on..
Posted by Reality Check http://www.nraila.org on October 19, 2009 at 7:44 AM
Reality Check 35
naahhhh @33 they'd never cover stuff like that! they have a current social and political agenda, and their plate is full!

Just wait... que up one upcoming post on Obama directing his minions to not prosecute marijuana cases, and allow for states to handle and determine enforcement via state law...

In 4, 3, 2, ........
Posted by Reality Check http://www.nraila.org on October 19, 2009 at 7:50 AM
NumberOne 36
@ 30 You make no sense. I believe you have the candidates mixed up.
Joe Mallahan= V.P. of T-Mobile. Typical rich dude, probably never had to trim a tree a day in his life.

Mike McGinn= co-founder of Great City (a non profit that helps tie together environment and urban life together), President of Greenwood Community Council, and co-chair of Community Parks for All- now that is a community organizer!

And like you said, no one votes for community organizers who say "um" a lot to become community organizers- however, they DO vote for them to become something even more-ya know, sort of like what happened with our PRESIDENT. (sometimes you just gotta spell things out.)
Posted by NumberOne on October 19, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Reality Check 37
@36 Which just goes to show that if "smart" participating folks like those who post here are confused... imagine the masses out there.

And consider that many here who are soooo certain they are right on the candidates, basically are confused and probably aren't voting in their best interests as told to the by Teh Stranger..

something to chew on..
Posted by Reality Check http://www.nraila.org on October 19, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Reality Check 38
*as told to THEM
Posted by Reality Check http://www.nraila.org on October 19, 2009 at 8:47 AM
baconpussy 39
Crunchy liberal who resembles an unmade med...or...all-too-typical, barely credible, Peter-Principled middle manager?

Gee -- lucky us.

My gut tells me McGinn could more successfully stretch -- and they will both need to stretch mightily -- to maximize the potential posed by the mayor's roles and responsibilities.
Posted by baconpussy on October 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM
baconpussy 40
Unmade ***BED***

I want edit capabilities!
Posted by baconpussy on October 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM
41
@36: We didn't vote for Obama because he was a community organizer. That was just something we pointed to and said, "Isn't he great?" We voted for him because he was great, period. We loved him. We would have loved him if he'd never organized one day in his life.

Yes, I know the difference between McGinn and Mallahan and didn't need the biographies. I just forgot who said the "ums".
Posted by sarah68 on October 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM
breakdown 42
This race isn't about platforms or priorities or charisma.

There are some differences between the candidates, but they are all relatively minor; their platforms are virtually identical.

McGinn's opposition to the tunnel is just a gambit because he thinks there are a lot of people who oppose the tunnel who are willing to believe it can be stopped (as several people pointed out, it can't).

The gun ban in parks is nonsense of the first order. It's that kind of crap that got Nickels voted out in the first place. It's already illegal to carry a concealed weapon without a permit, and it's illegal to fucking shoot somebody! You get gun violence when losers who can't hold down a job or pay their rent need to carry a gun to feel like a man. Affordable housing and employment are the way to tackle gun violence.

This race is about getting shit done.

McGinn's version of getting shit done is to be the squeaky wheel. "We'll put your damned sidewalks in, Mike, just shut up." "If people want to pay a levy for parks, well, that's just fine. Everyone likes parks." The squeaky wheel approach doesn't work so well when you're the one holding the oil can.

Mallahan may be a prick, but at least he knows how to get shit done. The fact that T-Mobile is still in business is nothing short of amazing when you consider they're up against Verizon's vastly superior network and AT&T's vastly superior iPhones.

If you're sympathetic to McGinn's phony environmentalist appeal, I suggest not voting for him. Instead, work on getting Mallahan into office, then put all your efforts into pressuring him to implement policies that have a real, positive environmental impact.
Posted by breakdown on October 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM
43
#42, with you there. I feel that we are a progressive city that doesn't need a mayoral mouthpiece to get stuff done. I'm concerned that McGinn is short-sided in focusing on the tunnel and parks/sidewalks and not addressing the major issues of this city which is the outflow of jobs, increases in crime, & commercial/residential property vacancies. I may be wrong, we really don't know what either of these guys is going to accomplish.

I am however a little embarrassed as to how the Stranger handles its election coverage. I feel like it’s a high-school election smear campaign. I know your trying to be cheeky but these issues aren’t a joke and I do not see balanced coverage followed by a concise thoughtful endorsement. "Vote for McGinn because the other guy is a stupid-head that hates babies" is fucking retarded...there now I'm on the Strangers level...sweet
Posted by G2000 on October 19, 2009 at 4:52 PM

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