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Politics God Bless the Unions
Posted by Dominic Holden on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Labor unions have contributed nearly a million dollars to defeat Tim Eyman's Initiative 1033 in the final days before a ban on large contributions takes effect, filings with the Washington State Public Disclosure Commission show. If passed, I-1033 would limit government spending—and ultimately cut property taxes—but devastate state, county, and municipal budgets, thereby decimating funds for education and healthcare.
Tomorrow is the deadline for campaign contributions over $5,000.
Two reports filed yesterday with the state show $1.37 million in contributions just this month to the No On 1033 campaign. The biggest contributions come from the largest two unions in the country—the National Education Association and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees AFL-CIO—which each gave $200,000. The donations bring the groups' aggregate contributions to the campaign to $334,775 and $329,519, respectively. The Service Employees International Union State Council also gave $152,500 in the most recent filing with the state, bringing the SEIU's contributions up to $290,000.
In addition, the Washington Federation of State employees gave $75,000 and the Washington Teamsters Legislative League gave $50,000, the most recent filing also shows. Numerous other unions—including ironworkers, firefighters, and electrical workers—collectively gave tens of thousands of dollars in the last two weeks.
Dozens of individuals have also contributed generously to the campaign in recent days. On October 1, Bill Gates, Sr. gave $100,000, the largest contribution from an individual.
In total, the campaign against I-1033 has raised a staggering $2,590,736—and they will need that sort of dough to stop Eyman's initiative.
Polling has shown I-1033 holds a strong advantage among voters. But that lead appears to be slipping. A poll conducted in late September showed the measure with a 30-point lead, but a poll conducted one week ago shows I-1033 with only a 12-point advantage.
The measure has an initial appeal. If passed by voters, I-1033 would cap state revenues, adjusted for inflation and population growth, and use the surplus to lower property taxes. But, in effect, that would lock Washington into a recession-era budget forever, and many costs would outpace inflation. As a result, state and local governments would cut or eliminate funding to health care, education, and other programs. The state treasurer warned last week that it would damage the state's credit rating and cost tens of million of dollars.
No On 1033, which recently began running ads on television, has raised more than any other campaign in the state this year. Most remarkable, however, is the group's spending power. It has only reported $107,304 in expenditures, suggesting the group will spend well over $2 million on running those commercials in the final three weeks before the election.
In contrast, Eyman's campaign—called Voters Want More Choices Lower Property Taxes—has raised $670,169 but has already spent $625,764 (mostly on paying signatures to get the measure on the ballot and conduct polling). In other words, Eyman is basically out of money. But he has public opinion on his side—for now.
UPDATE: Tim Eyman appears to be losing his shit—e.g., "Washington DC's most powerful government unions are seeking to buy this year's election"—about all this opposition money over at Sound Politics.
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wonder what it is all about? 1033 that is...check out this 2min. animated short from League of Women Voters of WA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RUqwfVaY…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RUqwfVaY…
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I have to admit that my kneejerk response to any of Eyman's initiatives is Hell, NO! This is no exception. What a douche. Can we get an initiative to ban Tim Eyman initiatives? That would be AWESOME!
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God Bless the Unions!
indeed.
Unions have destroyed every industry they infected- airlines, steel, auto, newspaper- with the exception of Government Employees.
What is the difference?
Government Employees don't have to actually produce a "product" and compete in the marketplace- if spending outstrips revenue just raise more revenue (TAXES).
The government unions have a mouthful of taxpayer titty and aren't about to let go without a fight...
indeed.
Unions have destroyed every industry they infected- airlines, steel, auto, newspaper- with the exception of Government Employees.
What is the difference?
Government Employees don't have to actually produce a "product" and compete in the marketplace- if spending outstrips revenue just raise more revenue (TAXES).
The government unions have a mouthful of taxpayer titty and aren't about to let go without a fight...
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Tim Eyman has made an art of repeatedly filing initiatives with the Secretary of State until he gets a ballot title from the Attorney General that sounds good to people reading it. That is what he has done with this measure.
The problem lies in the fact that the details and consequences are much more extreme than a mere reading of the ballot title might suggest. The Attorney General's Office did Eyman a favor by only discussing some of what I-1033 actually will do.
Unfortunately trying to get the facts of the impacts of I-1033 to the voters is not easy and is expensive. Let's hope that the unions and others have raised enough to be able to reach voters with the facts.
I-1033 has a number of problems.
1. It freezes state and local budgets at the current recession level and requires that only a public vote can restore any cuts due to the recession or to approve any new services like hiring more police or fixing a bridge or hiring more teachers.
2 It abolishes our current form of representative government we've had since our state was founded, not just at the state level, but for all 39 counties and 281 cities. Initiative 1033 and Eyman would remove the ability of our elected officials to set budgets above the current recession level in the initiative without a public vote. This is budgeting by referendum and costs money, is inefficient and opens the process to campaign money and campaigning. It has created extreme problems in California and a similar measure in Colorado has been disastrous for public services.
3. Imitative 1033 is a radical restructuring of our current tax system. It would use sales tax dollars and other fees to not provide for public services like health care and education but only for paying property taxes. It is not based on the amount of sales tax you pay, which last year accounted for 54% of state revenue but on the amount of property you own. The more you own, like a corporation or real estate development or a shopping mall like Bellevue Square, the more you benefit. If you own no property, like seniors and working families that rent, you get no rebate and no new services. I-1033 is a wealth transfer scheme shifting more tax burden onto those with little or no property.
I-1033 proposes radical changes in our system of representative government and taxation. It is not needed and will lock us into a permanent recession by eliminating the ability of government to provide needed services and jobs.
Votre No on I-1033 and keep Tim's hands out of your pockets.
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The problem lies in the fact that the details and consequences are much more extreme than a mere reading of the ballot title might suggest. The Attorney General's Office did Eyman a favor by only discussing some of what I-1033 actually will do.
Unfortunately trying to get the facts of the impacts of I-1033 to the voters is not easy and is expensive. Let's hope that the unions and others have raised enough to be able to reach voters with the facts.
I-1033 has a number of problems.
1. It freezes state and local budgets at the current recession level and requires that only a public vote can restore any cuts due to the recession or to approve any new services like hiring more police or fixing a bridge or hiring more teachers.
2 It abolishes our current form of representative government we've had since our state was founded, not just at the state level, but for all 39 counties and 281 cities. Initiative 1033 and Eyman would remove the ability of our elected officials to set budgets above the current recession level in the initiative without a public vote. This is budgeting by referendum and costs money, is inefficient and opens the process to campaign money and campaigning. It has created extreme problems in California and a similar measure in Colorado has been disastrous for public services.
3. Imitative 1033 is a radical restructuring of our current tax system. It would use sales tax dollars and other fees to not provide for public services like health care and education but only for paying property taxes. It is not based on the amount of sales tax you pay, which last year accounted for 54% of state revenue but on the amount of property you own. The more you own, like a corporation or real estate development or a shopping mall like Bellevue Square, the more you benefit. If you own no property, like seniors and working families that rent, you get no rebate and no new services. I-1033 is a wealth transfer scheme shifting more tax burden onto those with little or no property.
I-1033 proposes radical changes in our system of representative government and taxation. It is not needed and will lock us into a permanent recession by eliminating the ability of government to provide needed services and jobs.
Votre No on I-1033 and keep Tim's hands out of your pockets.
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@4 yes indeedy them damn unions they brought us the eight your day the end to child labor the 40 hour week! then health care benefits, and paid vacation! not to mention osha meaning we can't make the workers stand in acid to bottle pickles, and we even have to give them gloves sometimes! damn them unions, next thing they're going to agitate for the right to vote!
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From: Tim Eyman, I-1033 co-sponsor
RE: Can voters be bought with $2.6 million+ of WA DC union money?
Washington DC's most powerful government unions are seeking to buy this year's election on I-1033 -- $2.6 million+ reported so far and much more expected. Clearly, Gregoire's promise to raise taxes has provided our opponents with ample motivation -- without I-1033, there will be plenty of tax increases. But raising taxes right now will only make the recession last longer. I-1033 prohibits state, county, and city politicians from raising taxes unless voters approve. I-1033 provides an automatic increase each year and if government thinks it's not a big enough increase, they can go to the voters and ask for more. Opponents know that it's easier to buy a politician than it is to persuade a taxpayer.
* Washington DC's AFSCME -- $329,519 and counting
* Washington DC's NEA -- $334,775.62 and counting
* Washington DC's AFL-CIO -- $25,000 and counting
* Washington DC's IBEW -- $50,000 and counting
* Washington DC's Int'l Union of Firefighters -- $25,000 and counting
* SEIU -- $290,000 and counting
* WA Council of County & City Employees -- $122,500 and counting
* WA Federation of State -- $75,000 and counting
* AFL-CIO WA St Labor Council -- $28,632.22 and counting
* Washington DC's Int'l Union -- $75,000 and counting
We rely on the common sense of the average voter to see through opponents' threats, lies, and scare tactics. In sharp contrast to this big money, with us the money we raised was used to qualify the initiative for the ballot. For us, a 2nd mortgage on my home provided a $250,000 loan to the campaign, a generous donation of $300,000 from super supporter Mike Dunmire and the rest came from our thousands of supporters throughout the state. 2146 donations and the average amount given (not counting me and Mike) was $55. We have thousands of supporters who volunteered tens of thousands of personal hours to help get I-1033 before the voters.
The Rasmussen poll of 500 likely voters who were read I-1033's official title ("This measure would limit growth of certain state, county and city revenue to annual inflation and population growth, not including voter-approved revenue increases. Revenue collected above the limit would reduce property tax levies") showed it at 61% yes, 31% no, 8% undecided.
The KING 5 SURVEYUSA poll didn't poll I-1033's official title, the one that will appear on voters' ballots in November, instead the people were read a 'slice' of I-1033: "Initiative 1033 would limit spending for state, county, and local governments." So without being told that I-1033 allows governments to grow at inflation and population growth, that I-1033 allows bigger increases with voter approval, that I-1033 lowers property taxes -- all information that's in I-1033's official title -- even so, I-1033's way ahead with 45% yes, 32% no, and 22% undecided (always remember, those 'undecideds' gotta go somewhere).
Washington DC's government unions got a lot of money but they're clearly in a hole. Voters clearly support I-1033's fiscal discipline and policies.
315,000 citizens signed I-1033 petitions because they know government keeps getting bigger and bigger and property tax bills keep going higher and higher. The people are demanding greater control. The reason there's such broad support for I-1033 is because it's a totally reasonable policy -- it allows the government to grow but at a sustainable rate that doesn't outpace the taxpayers' ability to afford it. It includes a safety valve allowing even faster government growth with voter approval. And it provides meaningful property tax relief not by slashing government tax revenues, but by simply controlling their growth.
We're very proud of the 315,000 citizens who signed I-1033's petitions. We believe they spoke for the majority of Washington's voters and support I-1033's renewal of I-601, I-1033's reduction in property taxes, and I-1033's empowerment of the citizens to decide how fast the government should grow and how big a tax burden we can afford.
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RE: Can voters be bought with $2.6 million+ of WA DC union money?
Washington DC's most powerful government unions are seeking to buy this year's election on I-1033 -- $2.6 million+ reported so far and much more expected. Clearly, Gregoire's promise to raise taxes has provided our opponents with ample motivation -- without I-1033, there will be plenty of tax increases. But raising taxes right now will only make the recession last longer. I-1033 prohibits state, county, and city politicians from raising taxes unless voters approve. I-1033 provides an automatic increase each year and if government thinks it's not a big enough increase, they can go to the voters and ask for more. Opponents know that it's easier to buy a politician than it is to persuade a taxpayer.
* Washington DC's AFSCME -- $329,519 and counting
* Washington DC's NEA -- $334,775.62 and counting
* Washington DC's AFL-CIO -- $25,000 and counting
* Washington DC's IBEW -- $50,000 and counting
* Washington DC's Int'l Union of Firefighters -- $25,000 and counting
* SEIU -- $290,000 and counting
* WA Council of County & City Employees -- $122,500 and counting
* WA Federation of State -- $75,000 and counting
* AFL-CIO WA St Labor Council -- $28,632.22 and counting
* Washington DC's Int'l Union -- $75,000 and counting
We rely on the common sense of the average voter to see through opponents' threats, lies, and scare tactics. In sharp contrast to this big money, with us the money we raised was used to qualify the initiative for the ballot. For us, a 2nd mortgage on my home provided a $250,000 loan to the campaign, a generous donation of $300,000 from super supporter Mike Dunmire and the rest came from our thousands of supporters throughout the state. 2146 donations and the average amount given (not counting me and Mike) was $55. We have thousands of supporters who volunteered tens of thousands of personal hours to help get I-1033 before the voters.
The Rasmussen poll of 500 likely voters who were read I-1033's official title ("This measure would limit growth of certain state, county and city revenue to annual inflation and population growth, not including voter-approved revenue increases. Revenue collected above the limit would reduce property tax levies") showed it at 61% yes, 31% no, 8% undecided.
The KING 5 SURVEYUSA poll didn't poll I-1033's official title, the one that will appear on voters' ballots in November, instead the people were read a 'slice' of I-1033: "Initiative 1033 would limit spending for state, county, and local governments." So without being told that I-1033 allows governments to grow at inflation and population growth, that I-1033 allows bigger increases with voter approval, that I-1033 lowers property taxes -- all information that's in I-1033's official title -- even so, I-1033's way ahead with 45% yes, 32% no, and 22% undecided (always remember, those 'undecideds' gotta go somewhere).
Washington DC's government unions got a lot of money but they're clearly in a hole. Voters clearly support I-1033's fiscal discipline and policies.
315,000 citizens signed I-1033 petitions because they know government keeps getting bigger and bigger and property tax bills keep going higher and higher. The people are demanding greater control. The reason there's such broad support for I-1033 is because it's a totally reasonable policy -- it allows the government to grow but at a sustainable rate that doesn't outpace the taxpayers' ability to afford it. It includes a safety valve allowing even faster government growth with voter approval. And it provides meaningful property tax relief not by slashing government tax revenues, but by simply controlling their growth.
We're very proud of the 315,000 citizens who signed I-1033's petitions. We believe they spoke for the majority of Washington's voters and support I-1033's renewal of I-601, I-1033's reduction in property taxes, and I-1033's empowerment of the citizens to decide how fast the government should grow and how big a tax burden we can afford.
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Shorter version; watch the I-1033:Choices animation on Nancy's link to Seattle League of Women Voters. or at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RUqwfVaY…
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Southwest Airlines is the most highly unionized airline in the industry. It's also the only one that is consistently profitable.
And government deficits have nothing to do with government employees. Government deficits are about little men playing soldier. Probably to compensate for their inadequate penis size. Sound familiar, #4?
And government deficits have nothing to do with government employees. Government deficits are about little men playing soldier. Probably to compensate for their inadequate penis size. Sound familiar, #4?
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I would say its time to help people like fixed income seniors and working families with their taxes if we help anyone. I-1033 does the opposite by shifting more tax burden onto lower income taxpayers to help wealthy property owners.
I-1033 takes sales tax dollars paid by everyone to just pay property taxes. But not everyone owns property. Renters will pay the sames taxes as before under I-1033 but will see no tax rebate.
I-1033 freezes state and local budgets at this year's level. The only way to fund more services is for repeated voting on budgets by referendum. This costs money, introduces delays and put budgets up to politics and electioneering rather than making decisions deliberatively by representative government based on needs and priorities.
I-1033 isn't needed and makes our tax system even more regressive and unfair. Vote NO on I-1033.
I-1033 takes sales tax dollars paid by everyone to just pay property taxes. But not everyone owns property. Renters will pay the sames taxes as before under I-1033 but will see no tax rebate.
I-1033 freezes state and local budgets at this year's level. The only way to fund more services is for repeated voting on budgets by referendum. This costs money, introduces delays and put budgets up to politics and electioneering rather than making decisions deliberatively by representative government based on needs and priorities.
I-1033 isn't needed and makes our tax system even more regressive and unfair. Vote NO on I-1033.
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Listen to yourself, Dominic. Eyeman is losing his shit over big, last minute donations against I-1033.
Meanwhile, in the other half of Dominic Holden's brain, Dominic loses his shit over big, last minute donations against R-71.
I'd rather you kept your head, and let Eyeman be the goofball he was born to be.
Meanwhile, in the other half of Dominic Holden's brain, Dominic loses his shit over big, last minute donations against R-71.
I'd rather you kept your head, and let Eyeman be the goofball he was born to be.
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The interesting question is -- why would all these groups oppose lower taxes, especially property taxes.
Everyone would benefit -- everyone who lives in a house or apartment.
So, what you see is a parade of people who have been exposed -- people who benefit more than the average person by drinking more than their fair share from the public trough.
Everyone would benefit -- everyone who lives in a house or apartment.
So, what you see is a parade of people who have been exposed -- people who benefit more than the average person by drinking more than their fair share from the public trough.
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"God Bless the Unions" for massive contributions in the final days before a ban on large contributions takes effect?
WTF?!
For a week Dominic has been screaming how EVIL last minute big donations in the R71 race are...
WTF?!
For a week Dominic has been screaming how EVIL last minute big donations in the R71 race are...
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Tim Eyman needs a hard punch in the dick. Preferably hard enough to provent him from breeding in the future.
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Eleventh-hour donations aren't inherently problematic--it's what people are trying to do with those donations. Approving I-1033 would devastate Washington. So campaigning to reject it is a good thing. Nay, a fantastic thing. Approving R-71, on the other hand, is a basic matter of providing equality and justice. So campaigning to reject it is reprehensible. That clear enough?
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This morning I noted that in my voters pamphlet, Republicans Tom Albro and David Doud are attacking the citizens group Port Reform for being funded by "out of state" unions, words right from Tim Eyman's talking points.
Do Albro and Doud want us to vote yes on 1033 just because unions oppose it?
I say thank god for the unions who are trying to save us from 1033 and more business as usual at the Port of Seattle.
Do Albro and Doud want us to vote yes on 1033 just because unions oppose it?
I say thank god for the unions who are trying to save us from 1033 and more business as usual at the Port of Seattle.
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I'm a city employee and a member of AFSCME/AFL-CIO. I'm glad they are spending my dues to defeat this Eyman pile of $#!^ .. we're already looking at layoffs which, yes, is bad for employees.. but just as bad for the public. Layoffs means CUTS in public services. The tie the hands of county and city governments is insane. Or the state for that matter. If voters aren't happy with how their legislators are managing their money, they can vote in new legislators. But don't hog tie the state with these stupid draconian laws which sound good on paper to voters then they realize the unintended consequences when it's too late. I really hate the initiative process in this state. There's a reason we elect legislators to figure out these complicated issues for us. Otherwise why bother with a legislature at all. We'll just vote on 500 ballot measures to make our laws ever November. Mob rule, great idea. Initiatives ought to need 35% of register voter signatures to get on the ballot and 60% to pass. They should be a last resort way to make law.
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No Dominic, not clear enough.
You're acting as if every tactic used for a cause you oppose is a dirty trick, while the same tactics for one you support are just fine. It makes you sound like a nut.
Your readers would probably have an eaiser time following your reasoning if you reported the actions of those you opposed dispassionately, and saved your fiery rhetoric to point out the wrongness of their cause. Rather than painting their methods with the same broad brush as their goals.
And what happens when the do get caught cheating? Here you were crying foul over making donations, and then when you come to report some actual dirty pool, you'll be the crying wolf guy, with no credibility.
You're acting as if every tactic used for a cause you oppose is a dirty trick, while the same tactics for one you support are just fine. It makes you sound like a nut.
Your readers would probably have an eaiser time following your reasoning if you reported the actions of those you opposed dispassionately, and saved your fiery rhetoric to point out the wrongness of their cause. Rather than painting their methods with the same broad brush as their goals.
And what happens when the do get caught cheating? Here you were crying foul over making donations, and then when you come to report some actual dirty pool, you'll be the crying wolf guy, with no credibility.
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Elenchos, since we're talking about last-minute donations to campaigns, can you please cite an example of me "acting as if every tactic used for a cause [I] oppose is a dirty trick"? Where do I say that last-minute contributions are foul play? Without citing an example--just saying it makes me "sound like a nut"--is tossing out an ad hominem attack. And you're smarter than that.
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What exactly makes Tim Eyman so strongly desire to live in a broken state?
Guys like this usually end up in a darkened bedroom with a shotgun in their mouth and a hastily scribbled note next to the bed.
Let's do our best to make sure he doesn't take us with him.
Guys like this usually end up in a darkened bedroom with a shotgun in their mouth and a hastily scribbled note next to the bed.
Let's do our best to make sure he doesn't take us with him.
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@23:
The simple answer is that Eyman has learned how to wrest a very lucrative living from the state's initiative process, one for which he is required to do little in the way of actual work.
Or do people think he really composes all these initiatives from his very own brain?
The simple answer is that Eyman has learned how to wrest a very lucrative living from the state's initiative process, one for which he is required to do little in the way of actual work.
Or do people think he really composes all these initiatives from his very own brain?
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Washington State law says that our property taxes are to be taxed at 100% of the "Fair Market Value." What does this mean? A COUNTY EMPLOYEE gets to come around and take a poke at what he/she THINKS your house would sell for in today's market. Ok, fine. Sounds fair enough, right?? Wrong! In THIS market where houses are not selling shouldn't the Fair Market Value go down?? Since that's the law?? You want to know what the lady at the county (who appraised our house for taxing) told me? I had called the other day to ask what they used for comparisons in determining the value of our new home (which I believe was completely overstated). She told me, "Well, in times like these we still have a budget we have to meet and the money needs to come from somewhere."
How is that even legal?? If the state of Washington says we are supposed to pay taxes on Fair Market Value, how on earth does the state budget come into play? Every single homeowner should have had SIGNIFICANTLY lower property taxes this year due to the cruddy market, yet everyone I know had their taxes stay pretty much the same. That;s not even following the law!
A friend of mine had their new home assessed at $650k. Thye moved in for 6 months and had to move the family out because they couldn't afford to live there. They had their home on the market for a year and a half and just finally sold it.... for $479k. $171,000 UNDER the assessed value. Yet they had to pay taxes on another $171k because someone determined THAT to be the FMV. Gimme a break.
When you or I are struggling to make ends meet we can't go to our bosses and DEMAND a raise. No. We have to BUDGET our finances. Why is it that the local governments can't do that? They can't meet a budget and they just go to the already struggling taxpayer and have them foot the bill.
Take a look around. What's your county doing with your money?? Do you notice more firefighters, medical services, better school books for your kids? I sure don't. My county built a multi-million dollar bike path along the road last year that no one uses. My daughter still has the same school books that are falling apart at the seams.
The money is NOT going where they say it's going. I'm sick of hearing people are going to lose their jobs and we're all gonna die if this thing passes. The burden is already on the people who have lost their jobs.
Government needs to learn how to budget and stop whining to the people when they fall short by billions of dollars. Gimme a break. How the hell do you under-budget by millions or even billions?
People are sick of being taxed to death. Nothing is improving and my $500 per month for property taxes ain't going anywhere important. But hey, if you want to come ride your bike in the rain on a brand new bike path, I just paid for one.
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How is that even legal?? If the state of Washington says we are supposed to pay taxes on Fair Market Value, how on earth does the state budget come into play? Every single homeowner should have had SIGNIFICANTLY lower property taxes this year due to the cruddy market, yet everyone I know had their taxes stay pretty much the same. That;s not even following the law!
A friend of mine had their new home assessed at $650k. Thye moved in for 6 months and had to move the family out because they couldn't afford to live there. They had their home on the market for a year and a half and just finally sold it.... for $479k. $171,000 UNDER the assessed value. Yet they had to pay taxes on another $171k because someone determined THAT to be the FMV. Gimme a break.
When you or I are struggling to make ends meet we can't go to our bosses and DEMAND a raise. No. We have to BUDGET our finances. Why is it that the local governments can't do that? They can't meet a budget and they just go to the already struggling taxpayer and have them foot the bill.
Take a look around. What's your county doing with your money?? Do you notice more firefighters, medical services, better school books for your kids? I sure don't. My county built a multi-million dollar bike path along the road last year that no one uses. My daughter still has the same school books that are falling apart at the seams.
The money is NOT going where they say it's going. I'm sick of hearing people are going to lose their jobs and we're all gonna die if this thing passes. The burden is already on the people who have lost their jobs.
Government needs to learn how to budget and stop whining to the people when they fall short by billions of dollars. Gimme a break. How the hell do you under-budget by millions or even billions?
People are sick of being taxed to death. Nothing is improving and my $500 per month for property taxes ain't going anywhere important. But hey, if you want to come ride your bike in the rain on a brand new bike path, I just paid for one.
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