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Friday, October 9, 2009

Re: Are You a Lady? On the Pill? Engaged To Be Married?

Posted by on Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM

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Earlier in the week I wrote up the results of a study that showed that women who were on the pill when they were dating may wind up partnered with mates they're not all that into once they go off the birth control pill. The pill suppresses ovulation and studies have shown that ovulating women prefer men who are more masculine and "more... genetically unrelated," like the butch guy on the right; women who aren't ovulating prefer guys who are more feminine and genetically more similar, like the pansy on the left. From my post:

Alvergne and Lummaa theorize that all those suppressed ovulations may have dire consequences where sexual compatibility and long-term marital success are concerned. It can't be pleasant, after all, to realize you're not as attracted to your spouse as you thought you were once you stop taking the pill. And couples who are genetically similar—the kind of pairings the pill promotes—are more likely to have infertility issues. Which is, um, also bad. And then there's this: since men have been shown to find ovulating women more attractive, "...the use of oral contraceptives may influence a woman’s ability to attract a mate by reducing attractiveness to men, thereby disrupting her ability to compete with normally cycling women for access to mate."

I wrote the authors of the study—Dr. Alexandra Alvergne and Dr. Virpi Lummaa of the University of Sheffield—asked what they thought its implications were. Should women switch to the IUD? Should an engaged woman go off the pill to make sure she's not marrying a too-genetically-similar swish? Should we, you know, panic? Dr. Alvergne wrote me right back... but her email wound up in my spam folder. (Sorry about that, Dr. Alvergne.) Her letter—and her answers—after the jump...

With regard to what the public should learn from all this, we would like to be cautious making any strong conclutions at this point. Our paper is a review putting together all the published work on this topic so far, and while the general trend certainly point to the direction that the pill might indeed affect mate preferences in both sexes in a very intriguing way, we badly need further studies experimentally testing these effects.

There are indeed important limitations from previous studies; due to the fact few of them have been addressing the question as their main focus. We thus need further studies using within individual designs, and investigating whether general differences between pill users and non-users account for the effect of the pill on mate preferences. Secondly, we need studies linking mate preferences to actual mate choice. And finally, if the pill is found to be strong enough to affect mate choice, we hope our review will encourage studies investigating two questions:

• Does the use of the pill affect marital relationship, satisfaction and durability?
• Does the pill affect the ability of couples to reproduce?

So, at this point, we wouldn't like to raise any concern among the pill users, just awareness that these type of effects might also be possible. It's up to everyone themselves to evaluate any costs and benefits of the pill in their personal circumstances,and as we made clear, the pill has a whole range of many positive effects from a social and medical point of view that cannot be overseen.

Hope that the answer is not too frustrating!

You can read the study for yourself by downloading the PDF here.

 

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Shelby 1
What Dr. Alvergne means, Dan, is "don't exaggerate the implications of our findings." That's to say, it's extremely unlikely that dropping birth control will undo all of the bonding that lead to a long-term relationship or marriage.
Posted by Shelby on October 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Confluence 2
Quick question: Is attraction really all just about physical looks? Maybe it is for you, Dan, but for the majority of us, a lot more goes into being attracted to somebody than whether or not a guy has a more masculine jawline than the next guy. Jesus.
Posted by Confluence on October 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM
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Dan, I think you left out a "not" when you wrote "may wind up partnered with mates they're all that into..."
Posted by seattle mike on October 9, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Womyn2me 4
I am still dying to know what a study of lesbians and who they are attracted to IE butches or femmes depending on where they are in their cycle.
Posted by Womyn2me http://http:\\www.shelleyandlaura.com on October 9, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Womyn2me 5
Confluence, that is where you are wrong. who you are attracted to is completely physical... because it is initally sensory and for us seeing folks, that would make the overwhelming sense the one of visual. What you do AFTER your initial response to a person, attracted to them or not, is more brain than senses... but not necessarily.

and for those of us who cant see, a friend of mine said it is the tone of the voice and the way a person smells that attracts him.
Posted by Womyn2me http://http:\\www.shelleyandlaura.com on October 9, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Collin 6
@2 - I think if you go back and re-read both posts you'll find that, while he uses physical qualities as an example (visual aids are helpful), what Dan and the study refer to are "masculinity" and "femininity." Presumably, behaviors as well as physical appearances play a role in masculinity.
Posted by Collin on October 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM
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So, women not on the pill 'suppress' ovulation normally for a significant portion of the month. This makes me think that the implied connections are a stretch. It seems to me that people and their relationships are far more complicated than their hormone levels. Seriously- if the neurological bases of physical attraction coupled with long-term emotional ties really take this big a cue from menstrual perturbations, you can color me shocked.
Posted by forcesofbadness on October 9, 2009 at 1:33 PM
gloomy gus 8
I'd hit the one on the left, after quieting that hairdo a little.
Posted by gloomy gus on October 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Fistique 9
Oh god, you still referred to it as "the study" after the scientists told you explicitly it was a review.

You're what's wrong with science journalism, Dan: lack of scientific literacy.
Posted by Fistique on October 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM
10
I'm on the pill and I'd go for the guy on the left. Oh no!
Posted by Dee on October 9, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Confluence 11
@8

The one on the right is so much hotter. The one on the left looks pre-pubescent. You're quite right about the hair though - it's got to go.
Posted by Confluence on October 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM
kim in portland 12
Hand each a guitar or bass, and I am so there.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on October 9, 2009 at 2:13 PM
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A blind friend of mine used to bring his girlfriends home so his dad could tell him whether she was relatively good-looking or, you know, heinous. Dunno what THAT proves. Men are weird?
Posted by YTAH http://ytah.wordpress.com/ on October 9, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Will in Seattle 14
To actually extrapolate from the review of multiple papers and findings, you'd need the full scientific papers with the footnotes and data - sometimes, one can infer a logical theory from a multitude of papers, but until it's been published (the rule of two - in other words, more than one experimental study with high enough samples to have statistically significant results, done by two separate non-connected labs, with both results backing it up for that particular question) - it can't really "say" anything.

However, one can surmise this is true, based on limited and not fully proven data.

Kind of like me saying if you don't look both ways when crossing Aurora near rush hour you'll probably die - even if I get across successfully once, or even 12 times, it isn't the same as 512 people trying to cross with a full diverse sample of people. I might be faster and better able to dodge cars ...
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Will in Seattle 15
And are we sure the choice is solely visual?

Might be a combination of physical, voice, smell, mannerisms, perceived sociocultural and/or economic status, and whether or not the mate choice is actively seen to be both available and not a danger to children.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM
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I just stopped taking the pill last week! I wonder what that will do to my marriage. And, will these new "findings" negatively influence the study we're in the midst of to discover whether gay rights really will result in the end of traditional marriage! What if my marriage ends, how will I know whether to blame it on the fact that I stopped using the bill or the fact that queers are gaining civil right?
Posted by Robley on October 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Will in Seattle 17
@16 - best to move to Nevada, they protect traditional marriage (hah).
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 9, 2009 at 3:03 PM
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#7 -- the pill suppresses ovulation ALL the time. You don't ovulate at all on the pill. And the "period" you have on the pill is a fake period that was actually done for social reasons to make the pill cycle seem "normal" -- you don't actually HAVE to do this at all -- you could take the pill for months and never have a period. There isn't a real medical reason to have the pill period. (some people just skip the dummy pills taken every month for this purpose and never have a period)

I took the pill for 9 months and hated it. My mood was flat all the time. I actually experience major shifts changes in sexual interest/time to orgasm according to how close I am to ovulating or not. On the pill I never experienced the full-out desire I do without it. Women on the pill have no opportunity to see just how horny you can get when you are about to ovulate, nor get an idea of what their natural cycles are like.
Posted by flaxseed on October 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM
19
This totally happened to me. I went off the pill a few months ago and now I can't stop thinking about vikings.
Posted by laurney on October 9, 2009 at 6:23 PM
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I was on the pill for seven years, and have been married for the last four of those. I've been off the pill now for several months and my level of lust for my husband has actually increased. Here's the relevant part to the study: my husband is *not* a very masculine man. He's not what I would call a "metrosexual", but the most machismo he's ever displayed is through an avatar. We had good chemistry before too (when I was on the pill) but since I went off I just want to do it all the time.
The pill has been a helpful part of my life, but I have to admit I feel a little let down now. Did I spend those years that I was dating with a suppressed sexuality?
Posted by NomadontheGo on October 9, 2009 at 8:01 PM
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There have been convincing studies showing that minute pheromonal/hormonal effects, such as barely perceptible odors, and our reactions to them, can be predictive of the viability and health of children born of a pheromonally well-matched couple. Thus, this is not about superficialities such as looks, it is about very subtle signals used by the entire rest of the animal kingdom in their choice of mate. Only humans take intellectual cues into account, such as the size of one's bank acct or one's social status. And evolutionary anthropologists might argue that even those concerns, as biologically trivial as they may seem, serve the purpose of seeming to assure the survival of the offspring. Thus, it is entirely plausible that messing with our hormones in the interests of birth control will create subtle but extremely important alterations in our perceptions that could have lifelong consequences. To an anthropologist, at least, the idea is not only plausible, but extremely likely.
Posted by Lorandrea on October 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM
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When women are ovulating, we look for more macho men for genetic reasons. We want to reproduce with good genes, because that way our offspring will likely survive. Big, strong and healthy-looking men likely have good genes, so we reproduce with them. What the pill does, is it makes our body think we are pregnant! That is why we stop dropping eggies.

I have read a bio-psychology paper like this one. It was done with pregnant women, and what kind of men they are attracted to. Sure enough, pregnant women are also attracted to more caring, nurturing, family-oriented men. Probably because we are convinced that these kind of guys will stick around to help us once the baby is born. Because the pill makes our bodies think we are pregnant, the same effect may be happening to women taking the pill, or depo-provera, nuvaring, or whatever. At least that is what I believe.

I really think that people and the relationships we have are a little more complex than our hormone levels. Also, if women are like me, the only time they will go off contraceptives while with a man, is when they are trying to have a baby. At that point it might be a good thing that you chose to date/marry a considerate, stable guy that has a good income and also wants a baby, as opposed to some macho, "good gene" dude that works at the 7/11, and may or may not run off on you.
Posted by Gith on October 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM

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