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Politics The Anti-Eyman Ads
Posted by Dominic Holden on Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:28 AM
The campaign opposing Tim Eyman's latest initiative is starting to air two television ads in Spokane, Vancouver, and Seattle on how Eyman's promise of lowering taxes would sabotage the state. While the measure sounds innocuous enough, it would lock the entire state, along with every county and city, into its existing budget forever, allowing for increases proportionate to population growth and inflation. But in practice, that means Washington is stuck in this recession forever. As service and health-care costs outpace inflation, our budget will grow tighter. The top two types of programs on the chopping block: Health care for seniors and education programs. The first ad tackles the student issue:
The scariest part? The measure looks like it could pass.
More on Eyman's initiative, which is being opposed by the state's Parent Teacher Association, is over here. The ad about cuts to senior services is here.
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Watch out, Dominic- Eyman has discovered copy and paste.
And remember folks, this is what Eyman does: screws with the state's economy, waits for economic duress, blames problems on the state (and not his initiatives, oops), tries to pass another initiative. Wash, rinse, repeat.
And remember folks, this is what Eyman does: screws with the state's economy, waits for economic duress, blames problems on the state (and not his initiatives, oops), tries to pass another initiative. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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given the number of gullible, selfish paultards in this state, it will pass. the supreme court will have to slap this shit down.
http://wataxfairness.org/
http://wataxfairness.org/
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@2 I agree. This will pass and fuck things up for years. Love him or hate him, Eyman learns from experience. The biggest obstacle to beating this is that his proposal seems so reasonable and the sensible objections come across a technical and complex.
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the same folks who turn out to pass 1033 are going to vote no on R71.
in fact, that is the whole point.
in fact, that is the whole point.
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I love the idea of my hard-earned sales tax dollars going to reimburse people like Kemper Freeman. That is gonna feel so good.
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Buildings will have empty gaping windows, streets will be littered with derelict dead cars, only wild dogs and cats will inhabit the land. Bridges will collapse and great cracks in the earth will swallow mankind. Forests will burn, mountains will crumble. The gray skies will be alive with thunder and deadly lighting. All because Tim Eyman has walked the earth! Lo and beware the demon that controleth spending is want to bring all to an end with horror and doom. Weep for the little ones, weep for the single Gay man, weep for the queens who won't have makeup to wear. Evil walks the land.
Christ you doom and gloom people need to make a movie of this shit! It will make you all billionaires who can afford to pay more taxes because you have more. The rest of us will just sit and be bleed to death.
Christ you doom and gloom people need to make a movie of this shit! It will make you all billionaires who can afford to pay more taxes because you have more. The rest of us will just sit and be bleed to death.
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47% of all Americans pay no federal income taxes.
Zero.
Nada.
Zilch.
Most of them voted for Obama.
And worry that the rich don't pay their fair share.
And want the Federal government to provide their health care.
While they pay Zero Federal taxes.
Zero.
Nada.
Zilch.
Most of them voted for Obama.
And worry that the rich don't pay their fair share.
And want the Federal government to provide their health care.
While they pay Zero Federal taxes.
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If you want to be like California, eternally broke so that the landed class of wealth and power can avoid taxes while the state crumbles into dust, then you'll love Eyman's latest initiative.
If you actually care about Washington, though, you'll realize it's another unconstitutional farce by someone who makes his living by gulling the gullible and conning the connable.
If you actually care about Washington, though, you'll realize it's another unconstitutional farce by someone who makes his living by gulling the gullible and conning the connable.
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Higher taxes may take more of your paycheck now, but it's an investment. You'll get more of that money back in transportation, education, health services, public lands, arts and culture funding... all of which stimulates the economy, which causes a growth in your income and living conditions. Ever heard of the Laffer curve?
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archiv…
We can RAISE taxes from where they are today and increase federal revenue without hurting the economy.
Tax cuts are a red herring.
@9- Link or you're full of BS.
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archiv…
We can RAISE taxes from where they are today and increase federal revenue without hurting the economy.
Tax cuts are a red herring.
@9- Link or you're full of BS.
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@9: Usually avoid feeding the trolls, but...
What IS your definition of socialism - by any name? Because your post doesn't really have anything to do with socialism.
Oh right, you wouldn't know political theory if it bit you on the ass. Which, by the way, it is.
What IS your definition of socialism - by any name? Because your post doesn't really have anything to do with socialism.
Oh right, you wouldn't know political theory if it bit you on the ass. Which, by the way, it is.
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@9: i'd rather i got "free" health care for my taxes than the pentagon's bloated budget or investment bank bailouts.
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Timmy has a slam dunk this time - tax revolt is in the air.
And it will really help Susan Hutchinson a lot.
Her sleeper strategy.
And since it will be a good issue for seniors and Eastern Wash. - indeed - it might break against Approve Ref: 71 by a big margin.
Remember, if the legislature doesn't not seem to know how to manage the peoples money, the people will intervene.
I don't agree, but that is the under current.
And it will really help Susan Hutchinson a lot.
Her sleeper strategy.
And since it will be a good issue for seniors and Eastern Wash. - indeed - it might break against Approve Ref: 71 by a big margin.
Remember, if the legislature doesn't not seem to know how to manage the peoples money, the people will intervene.
I don't agree, but that is the under current.
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@14 - so you're saying that by pushing the Billionaires Tunnel and Millionaire Mercer Mess projects, the powers that be are ensuring tax revolts that will make all their future projects fail?
Man, that sure is shortsighted of them.
But ... typical.
Man, that sure is shortsighted of them.
But ... typical.
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#14
Imagine you are an older couple with a nice home in any suburb in Washington - in 15 years your sales tax has gone from 4.5 per cent to almost 10 per cent - your nice, but not lavish home has gone from 1,200. a year property tax to 4,800. a year - you income had seen negligible increases - AND the schools are shit and they are closing the nearby parks and charging fees to go camping.
Would you wonder what the fuck are they, govt., doing with your money?
Eyman plays the lion tamer here. Almost alone in saying govt. must be curbed by voters. And in this state, he is being heard by many folks..... many who do not make $100,000.00 take home per year off some paper pushing white collar job. ( too many of which are generated by taxes)
Imagine you are an older couple with a nice home in any suburb in Washington - in 15 years your sales tax has gone from 4.5 per cent to almost 10 per cent - your nice, but not lavish home has gone from 1,200. a year property tax to 4,800. a year - you income had seen negligible increases - AND the schools are shit and they are closing the nearby parks and charging fees to go camping.
Would you wonder what the fuck are they, govt., doing with your money?
Eyman plays the lion tamer here. Almost alone in saying govt. must be curbed by voters. And in this state, he is being heard by many folks..... many who do not make $100,000.00 take home per year off some paper pushing white collar job. ( too many of which are generated by taxes)
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No, I'd be wondering why an older couple was living in a state that derives its taxes from sales tax and not a state that derives its taxes from income tax. Older couples tend to have large amounts of non-income-taxable assets and mostly pay sales taxes, so maybe they should move.
If you don't want taxes, move to Somalia. Or Afghanistan.
If you don't want taxes, move to Somalia. Or Afghanistan.
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Baconcat who the hell are you quoting? I NEVER EVER said anything to that effect. Try to keep up.
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Eyman-Bot hasn't popped into the comments yet to deliver his/its rebuttal yet? Man, he's off his game today.
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From: Tim Eyman, I-1033 co-sponsor
RE: Gregoire rings the dinner bell on tax increases
Last week's newspapers reported that Gregoire now supports raising taxes and she's asking "lawmakers and interest groups" to tell her which ones to jack up.
Dingdingdingdingdingdingding -- that's the sound of Gregoire ringing the dinner bell on tax increases. Anything goes people, you want higher sales taxes, Gregoire's your gal, a state income tax, Gregoire's on your side, increased property taxes, Gregoire's fine with that too, jacked up business taxes, utility taxes, gas taxes, death taxes, internet taxes, Gregoire's simply hunky-dory with all of them.
In 2004, candidate Gregoire said "I'm not talking about taxes" - then she got into office in 2005, immediately got rid of I-601's inflation/population growth limit and raised taxes. Then she and the Democrats went hog wild and radically increased the growth of government (33% in 4 years), overextending themselves with completely unsustainable budgets. What happened? Gregoire and the Democrats made the bad times a whole lot worse, ending with a $9 billion deficit.
Recognizing their lack of fiscal discipline, we introduced I-960 in 2007, knowing that it likely had a two-year shelf life. Gregoire's comment about I-960 in January, 2007: "the extra handcuffs aren't needed." Voters approved I-960 because they didn't believe her. With I-960's policies firmly in place, Gregoire "suddenly" switched back and decided that tax hikes were a bad idea. She said raising taxes in the middle of a recession will only make the recession last longer. Was I-960's two-year window the cause? Nah, said her supporters, she 'gets it now.'
So now she's switched again.
What could have happened?
Two weeks ago, KING 5 UPFRONT's Allen Schauffler asked the SEIU's David Rolfe, the head of the most powerful public employee union, about his desire to have Democrats raise taxes in 2010 and 2011: "Raise taxes? How do you think they'll respond?" Without hesitation and without prompting, Rolfe replied that I-960's two-year expiration date is 'up' at the end of this year and his group and others will be making sure Democrats know that's what they want.
Tuesday's poll results among likely voters showed 61% yes, 31% no, 8% undecided. Obviously, voters opposed or undecided saw Gregoire as against taxes over the past two years and they likely believed that she'd stick with that position going forward -- they likely believed that I-1033 wasn't necessary because Gregoire 'gets it now.'
Not any more.
Gregoire's 'anything-goes-on-tax-hikes' re-position undercuts that big time. The NO on I-1033's campaign theme is "we can trust the politicians." That ain't gonna fly anymore.
More...
RE: Gregoire rings the dinner bell on tax increases
Last week's newspapers reported that Gregoire now supports raising taxes and she's asking "lawmakers and interest groups" to tell her which ones to jack up.
Dingdingdingdingdingdingding -- that's the sound of Gregoire ringing the dinner bell on tax increases. Anything goes people, you want higher sales taxes, Gregoire's your gal, a state income tax, Gregoire's on your side, increased property taxes, Gregoire's fine with that too, jacked up business taxes, utility taxes, gas taxes, death taxes, internet taxes, Gregoire's simply hunky-dory with all of them.
In 2004, candidate Gregoire said "I'm not talking about taxes" - then she got into office in 2005, immediately got rid of I-601's inflation/population growth limit and raised taxes. Then she and the Democrats went hog wild and radically increased the growth of government (33% in 4 years), overextending themselves with completely unsustainable budgets. What happened? Gregoire and the Democrats made the bad times a whole lot worse, ending with a $9 billion deficit.
Recognizing their lack of fiscal discipline, we introduced I-960 in 2007, knowing that it likely had a two-year shelf life. Gregoire's comment about I-960 in January, 2007: "the extra handcuffs aren't needed." Voters approved I-960 because they didn't believe her. With I-960's policies firmly in place, Gregoire "suddenly" switched back and decided that tax hikes were a bad idea. She said raising taxes in the middle of a recession will only make the recession last longer. Was I-960's two-year window the cause? Nah, said her supporters, she 'gets it now.'
So now she's switched again.
What could have happened?
Two weeks ago, KING 5 UPFRONT's Allen Schauffler asked the SEIU's David Rolfe, the head of the most powerful public employee union, about his desire to have Democrats raise taxes in 2010 and 2011: "Raise taxes? How do you think they'll respond?" Without hesitation and without prompting, Rolfe replied that I-960's two-year expiration date is 'up' at the end of this year and his group and others will be making sure Democrats know that's what they want.
Tuesday's poll results among likely voters showed 61% yes, 31% no, 8% undecided. Obviously, voters opposed or undecided saw Gregoire as against taxes over the past two years and they likely believed that she'd stick with that position going forward -- they likely believed that I-1033 wasn't necessary because Gregoire 'gets it now.'
Not any more.
Gregoire's 'anything-goes-on-tax-hikes' re-position undercuts that big time. The NO on I-1033's campaign theme is "we can trust the politicians." That ain't gonna fly anymore.
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@20: There are words for people like you feel entitled to goods and services that you refuse to pay for. I prefer "freeloaders" but "spoiled children" and "thieves" are also good.
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Spread the word and tell people to vote NO on Eyman's latest scheme to pick your pockets for the wealthy. Becasue I-1033 is really a wealth transfer scheme, taking tax dollars paid by renters and other without property and using it to help pay the property taxes of the wealthy.
Here are some of the things your tax dollars go for now:
educating our children
providing health care for seniors and children
mental health services
repairing roads and bridges
keeping parks and libraries open
paying for police and fire protection
paying for courts and jails
cleaning up Puget Sound
providing clean water and clean air
sidewalks and bike paths
affordable public transit
emergency services
services for seniors and disabled
paying for colleges and universities
public health services
and the list goes on.
But here is all that your tax dollars above Eyman's recession level funding will go for:
paying property taxes for property owners
That's all.
Here are some of the things your tax dollars go for now:
educating our children
providing health care for seniors and children
mental health services
repairing roads and bridges
keeping parks and libraries open
paying for police and fire protection
paying for courts and jails
cleaning up Puget Sound
providing clean water and clean air
sidewalks and bike paths
affordable public transit
emergency services
services for seniors and disabled
paying for colleges and universities
public health services
and the list goes on.
But here is all that your tax dollars above Eyman's recession level funding will go for:
paying property taxes for property owners
That's all.
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