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Monday, October 5, 2009

From the Transcripts: City Attorney Endorsement Meeting, Number Two

Posted by on Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM

We had City Attorney Tom Carr come into our office for an endorsement interview last week. In the first installment of our transcript, we asked him about a case involving the theft of a can of tuna that Carr had insisted was “urban myth” on the campaign trail. But once it became a big issue, he admitted the case did exist.

It gets to a sense that sometimes we don’t get the truth out of you and your office. It fits in with something that happened in 2005, when we were looking at filings for marijuana possession prosecutions by your office, and you had given the P-I information that you said showed that marijuana filings had no meaningful decrease between the time when I-75 was passed and then the present, which was a year after. And then it turned out that there had been a 60 percent decrease when I got the data from your office on marijuana filings.

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  • CURT DOUGHTY
CARR: Well, as I’ve said—that charge, is a little unfair. I mean somebody asked me for the numbers right off the top of my head, and that’s what the P-I reporter did, and I shouldn’t have answered him. What I should have done was looked them up. But I thought I had them in my head, and I made a mistake…. and that one comes up all the time. So I have been punished for that.

It was just a mistake?

CARR: It was a mistake, and I have made the mistake, and I have been punished for it.

You were also contacted again by Mike Lewis and Eli Sanders, and you stood by that number.

CARR: Yeah, we had to go and run the data again, I guess. And I don’t remember—I remember scurrying around and being disappointed that I was wrong.

So I just wanted to clarify that. That it wasn’t just one offhand remark, but also defending something that you weren’t certain about.

CARR: But if the mistake was anything, it was answering a reporter’s question, and everybody here, except for Dominic, knows that I respond to phone calls.

Everybody here but Dominic?

CARR: Yeah, I don’t respond to Dominic anymore.

You don’t?

CARR: No. I mean, Dominic is, he’s really nice to me when I talk to him, and then he writes the meanest things.

Is Dominic in this room? I mean, what does Dominic even look like?

CARR: You know, that’s the way I feel, and I do. We served together for what, five years on the marijuana policy committee? He was always very nice to me whenever we were in the room, and said nice things, actually at the end, thanked me for all the work that I did. And you know, I read the things in the paper.

But you’re from the Bronx, you’re a prosecutor, come on, that comes with the territory.

CARR: It’s not that I have a thin skin or that it bothers me at all, it’s just that I don’t feel I need to feed that. So what I do is I provide information when asked, but I’m not gonna take the time out to talk to someone who’s not really gonna take my words, and is gonna twist them.

So do you have—has he ever misquoted you, or put in information that’s incorrect, or does he just argue with your positions?

CARR: Well I don’t get the chance to answer it. Look at the story that he did on this race…

Can you answer my question though? Has he ever misquoted you?

Carr: I think probably yes.

When you’re misquoted you usually remember.

CARR: So he did a story at the beginning of this race, which was entitled something like ‘Tom Carr’s Gonna Go,’ or something like that, and he had apparently done extensive investigation on this, and he called me—he called me the night before the story was to run. I had fractured two ribs… so I had my assistant—Cindi Laws talk to him. I ended up having to talk to him again. And I was assuming this was part of a long-term investigation. And the story appeared the next day, with all of the charges, but none of my responses. Or virtually none of my responses, or my responses sort of cut down.

Cindi Laws, I spoke to her, and I included some of her reports. And when I spoke to you, the article was basically written.

Carr: That’s the impression that I got.

Yeah, but it was. It was basically done at that point. And I don’t think it’s uncommon for a reporter to begin researching and writing something in the morning, and essentially be done with it by the end of the day.

CARR: But to respond to Eli’s question, that is the fault there was I tried to respond promptly to a reporter. And I got it wrong. And rather than say no, I’ll look it up, but—I challenge you, have you requested information from my office and not gotten it?

Well, when I went back and looked at this story I had like a five page record of email exchanges with your office trying to get this information, and it being rather difficult in the end. The thing that honestly ends up concerning me here is actually your memory, right? You misremembered marijuana filings, right, which you were making a big deal out of at the time, that I-75 had no impact. You didn’t remember this tuna case, which admittedly is small in the scheme of things, but has been a huge issue in your campaign. You didn’t remember our date today [Carr didn’t have our meeting on his calendar, and showed up about a 40 minutes late after we called him on his cell phone], and you can’t remember off the top of your head what Dominic’s done to misquote you, which is also a huge thing.

CARR: Ok, you sound like a bad lawyer. You’re sort of putting a bunch of things from various together and trying to make a case.

The point of my questions about the tuna case was not to get to the questions about community court and so on, which I understand is something you can get into with the tuna case, but just to talk about your memory of events, and some things that you’ve said in public that haven’t been borne out as true.

CAEE: But I’ve made a lot of statements in public that are true, right?

Well, on balance? I would hope so.

 

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Fnarf 1
Y'know, I don't dislike Carr as much as you guys, but that tie clearly disqualifies him.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM
2
Tom Carr should be impounded.
Posted by Under Pressure on October 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM
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@1: I completely agree about the tie. No one holding public office should ever wear a tie like that except as part of a costume or maybe if it was 15 years ago.
Posted by Artemis on October 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM
gloomy gus 4
Is the tie even worse in color? Update please.
Posted by gloomy gus on October 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM
5
Hey Tom Carr,

It is very hypocritical of you to blather on about Community Court when you're not willing to fund it. Community Court is a fantastic example of progressive, proactive criminal rehabilitation. It is a "Seattle value" that we can all be proud of. Instead of renewing my employment contract for a measly $28k and no benefits, you spent $15 MILLION on a private law firm to keep some basketball team from skipping town. I worked on the Belltown streets with your Community Court defendants for a year and a half, and it's pretty obvious to all of us where your priorities are. (Not us.)

Sincerely,
Your former employee and Pete Holmes supporter
Posted by Skyzillatron5000 on October 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Will in Seattle 6
Shunning the press is the sign of a losing argument.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 5, 2009 at 1:07 PM
7
"Vote for me, because 'I've made a lot of statements in public that are true, right?'"

Tom Carr -- sometimes his statements are true!

Oh and he says to SOMEONE ELSE who actually marshalls true facts to support a point "Ok, you sound like a bad lawyer"?

What a fucking asshole.

Posted by "I don't misremember on purpose ALL the time, vote for me!" on October 5, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Will in Seattle 8
OK, in my day working at papers, reporters never got to write their own headlines, that was someone else's job ... are you saying Dominic always writes his own headlines?

Really?

And has absolutely nobody editing it?

Seriously?

Wow.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Fnarf 9
@8, did they have blogs in your day? Computers, even? Electricity?

Daily newspapers have headline writers. Blogs don't. I know you probably think you're reading "The Stranger" when you're reading Slog, but they're not the same thing.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Will in Seattle 10
@9 - there's always someone who edits the blog - and maintains the overall site. This person always can edit the title headline, wording, links, and image links.

Yes, blogs existed back then. We just didn't let you nattering nabobs of negativity post on them.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 5, 2009 at 3:18 PM
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@10: You've read Slog all this time and you think there's actually someone editing it? Are you serious?
Posted by bigyaz on October 5, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Fnarf 12
@10, you're lying again.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM
13
This actually makes me a little more sympathetic to Tom Carr.
Posted by aff on October 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM
14
Tom Carr referred to Dominic Holden as a reporter. That's disgusting. I hope all real reporters are outraged the way he besmirched their profession.
Posted by serotonein on October 5, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Lee 15
@14: Yeah, we get it: you want to grudge-fuck Dominic, and won't be able to sleep until to you do. Help is available.
Posted by Lee on October 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
seandr 16
This is gold. Thank you, Stranger. Thank you for having balls.
Posted by seandr on October 5, 2009 at 9:11 PM
17
This series of pieces on Tom Carr is getting tiresome. Not really interested in hearing about "the tuna case" or Carr's apparently faulty memory about it anymore. I mean, he manages an entire office of roughly 100 attorneys; he obviously didn't prosecute the case personally. Also: there are things to think about besides marijuana.
Posted by Nana on October 5, 2009 at 9:30 PM
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@15, I'll pass. I don't want McGinn's sloppy seconds.
Posted by serotonein on October 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM

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