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Politics / Sex Jesus Christ Abortionist
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM
If life begins at the moment of conception—which anti-choice activists want to amend state constitutions to state—then Jesus H. Christ is the most ruthless and effective abortionist at work in the United States today. Somebody shoot that guy!
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He is just punishing the unfaithful. Belief in Jesus Christ is not only necessary for Eternal Life, it's also necessary for seeing a pregnancy to full term.
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It was my understanding that Jesus has an exemption from the whole "thou shalt not kill" thing? I'm clearly not an expert though, unlike the anti-choice, tea-bagging, gun-toting real Americans.
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Coming in a close second are all those who perform/use invitro fertilization services. Holy cow, I don't see how anti-abortionists can gun for the conception idea if they don't aim first at invitro. How many millions of babies are "murdered" every year in a petri dish? And then how many suffer an undignified, torturous eternity in the purgatory of the deep freeze?
goddamm hypocrisy. it sucks.
goddamm hypocrisy. it sucks.
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The fundies want women to suffer if they have sex. They intend to marry a virgin wife and right now those are few and far between. Miscarriages, dangerous underground abortions, fear, depression, guilt, social stigma, and legal consequences are all good things if you intend to keep your women under control.
If you are a jealous insecure sex-negative person who shivers at the thought that your girlfriend might have seen another man naked you better get out there and make sure women suffer who don't go along with your plan for them.
Jesus is simply backing the fundies up. He is the righteous hand doing the godly work of keeping women in line.
Remember the old testament says you must stone a woman to death if she is not is a virgin when she is married. The new testament essentially says to ignore the old testament but if we do that then we also ignore any mention to homosexuality at all and we all know they can't do that.
If you are a jealous insecure sex-negative person who shivers at the thought that your girlfriend might have seen another man naked you better get out there and make sure women suffer who don't go along with your plan for them.
Jesus is simply backing the fundies up. He is the righteous hand doing the godly work of keeping women in line.
Remember the old testament says you must stone a woman to death if she is not is a virgin when she is married. The new testament essentially says to ignore the old testament but if we do that then we also ignore any mention to homosexuality at all and we all know they can't do that.
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@ 3, that's why Colorado's "life begins at conception" amendment went down in flames. Even many abortion opponents realize the idiocy of this.
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Yeah, it got thoroughly drubbed here. But of course, it's back on the ballot again this year. Because these fuckwits seem to think that losing by 72% isn't really a loss. Their doing "God's work," you know.
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In fact the prevelance of miscarraige by trimester was one of the scientific underpinnings of Roe v Wade's trimester approach to abortion law and jurisprudence. It was used to give some meaningful granularity to foetal development. The other main body of evidence for the breakdown was jurisprudential: the sorts of protections that existed in state law safegaurding the health and safety of foetuses. The first trimester was set aside as out of bounds for state restrictions on abortion becuase of the high prevelance of miscarraige, the minimal development of the central nervous system, and the total lack of any sort of existing state law or jurisprudence protecting the health and safety of foetuses. IOW they don't function like babies, nature doesn't treat them like babies, and in fact state laws didn't treat them like babies either.
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God you guys are fucking stupid. Jesus also murdered everyone that died of illness or accident. Y'all are brilliant theologians. FWIW I'm pro-choice I just wish that my political peers didn't espouse arguments as stupid as the toothless sister-fucking southern shitheads.
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@10,
First, it's a fucking joke, dipshit.
Second, the fundamentalists who push this kind of bullshit most certainly do believe that Jesus is responsible for every death by accident or illness. If it happens to someone they like, it's "God's will." If it happens to someone they hate, it's "divine punishment."
First, it's a fucking joke, dipshit.
Second, the fundamentalists who push this kind of bullshit most certainly do believe that Jesus is responsible for every death by accident or illness. If it happens to someone they like, it's "God's will." If it happens to someone they hate, it's "divine punishment."
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Jonathan Golob mentioned something a while back that is pertinent here. If a blastocyst (a pre-embryo) is cut in half, then the result is identical twins.
Unless fundies think that identical twins share the same "soul", then this seemingly innocuous factoid is proof that "life" does not begin at conception.
Unless fundies think that identical twins share the same "soul", then this seemingly innocuous factoid is proof that "life" does not begin at conception.
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Damn right. The kicker in that story is "loss that occurs before a positive pregnancy test" – this happens a LOT. It's a natural part of the reproductive cycle, and the only way to stop it from happening is for everybody everywhere to stop having sex. Well, except the gays, because we can't make babies. So, basically, gay sex is the only sex that doesn't kill babies.
So go fuck yourselves, bigots.
So go fuck yourselves, bigots.
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In the view of the fundie Christians, all those miscarried babies go to hell, since they are too young to accept Jesus as their personal lord and savior (which they believe is the only way to get into heaven).
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I've heard this argument before, about vaccinations in Africa. Why vaccinate babies when you can let nature run its course? Why bother saving a people at all when it's a fact of life that people die every day?
Well....
Well....
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It's not like two-thirds of all possible conceptions are terminated by God, and even 40 percent during detected pregnancy.
Which, given what the genetic structure of most such things looks like, is a very very good thing.
God's not pro-mutant.
Which, given what the genetic structure of most such things looks like, is a very very good thing.
God's not pro-mutant.
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@18 - actually, the death rate for under 5 kids has plummeted thanks to research and delivery of effective malaria, TB, HIV, and other treatments/cures, over this decade. Which is a good thing.
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@17 Actually, during my fundie Christian upbringing we were always told that miscarried and aborted babies went back to heaven, because they never sinned (and thus, did not need to accept Christ's forgiveness).
So you see, it's not about miscarried babies going to hell, it's 100% about controlling and subjugating women.
So you see, it's not about miscarried babies going to hell, it's 100% about controlling and subjugating women.
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People also die. Cancer, disasters, infectious diseases. Jesus is therefore a murderer too. So, according to your logic...we should all be aloud to murder, because by golly, God does it!
Moron.
Moron.
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Your point, kribban?
@Barbara: it depends which version of Christianity you espouse. Some believe you can pray the infant into heaven, others believe they get a free pass, and others, indeed, believe they go straight to hell.
@Barbara: it depends which version of Christianity you espouse. Some believe you can pray the infant into heaven, others believe they get a free pass, and others, indeed, believe they go straight to hell.
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@21 Hernandez,
I've tried to use that argument in conversations, too... (What's the term for carying an outrageous argument to it's ridiculous conclusion?)
So what happens to a child who dies under the "age of understanding"? The child goes to heaven. So if an embryo has a soul and the mother's body aborts it, what hapens to the soul? It goes to heaven. So what happens if someone grows to adulthood and hasn't "accepted christ"? They go to hell. So, wouldn't it be better for all these "babies" to be aborted early, since you're guaranteeing their future in heaven?
I've tried to use that argument in conversations, too... (What's the term for carying an outrageous argument to it's ridiculous conclusion?)
So what happens to a child who dies under the "age of understanding"? The child goes to heaven. So if an embryo has a soul and the mother's body aborts it, what hapens to the soul? It goes to heaven. So what happens if someone grows to adulthood and hasn't "accepted christ"? They go to hell. So, wouldn't it be better for all these "babies" to be aborted early, since you're guaranteeing their future in heaven?
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Technically, since Jesus is the earthly incarnation (the Krishna in the Rama, Vishnu Krishna trinity), He wouldn't necessarily be responsible for the inherent selectiveness of the human reproductive cycle, rather it would be the All father in Genesis who may or may not be Mr. Burning Bush who delivered the Israelites from Egypt.
But the bible has actually very little to say about abortion and Mosaic law places personhood at first breath or later, as much as thirty days. The idea that abortion-access obstructionism is based on scripture is, plainly, bullshit.
But the bible has actually very little to say about abortion and Mosaic law places personhood at first breath or later, as much as thirty days. The idea that abortion-access obstructionism is based on scripture is, plainly, bullshit.
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@26 Uriel, I think it's in leviticus where the worth of an unborn baby is decidedly less than an ox. I'll have to look that up. But if God's that ambivalent about the unborn....
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In scientific terms, a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion. So therefore, if abortion is criminalized, does that mean a woman should be prosecuted for every pregnancy that is not carried to term? There are too many contingencies to the anti-abortionist argument for it to be criminalized again. Let's just keep 'em safe and legal.
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