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Wednesday, September 16, 2009

Fuck "Bipartisanship"

Posted by Chicago Fan on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM

We've got to just keep saying this till Democratic "leaders" (that'd be those idiots cowering in the front of Fox News, unable to read poll numbers or remember elections that show what the majority of the American people want) hear it:

Fuck bipartisanship. The Republicans lost. There is absolutely NOTHING to be gained by negotiating with Republicans. As they did with the economic stimulus bill back at the start of the year, the Republicans will demand changes be made, Democrats water down a good strong bill to attract Republican support, and then the fucking Republicans will vote against it anyway.

On health care, if Baucus and his middle of the road asswipes eliminate the public option and make health care reform "acceptable" to Republicans, guess what? Out of fear of the Limbaugh-led base, none of them will vote for it anyway, and the reform will be less effective because of Democratic spinelessness. The goddamn Senators Baucus negotiated this brilliant compromise with are already saying they cannot support it, as are several Senate democrats.

Pass the strongest bill possible. Endure the filibuster—eventually, their vocal cords or bladders give out and you can actually pass things in the Senate with just 51 votes! You don't need 60! And when the next election campaign comes along, you will win.

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go ahead, make our day...
Posted by gop on September 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM
schmacky 2
If you truly believe this, you should have supported Hillary. Obama has said from day one that he is all about bipartisanship.
Posted by schmacky on September 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Will in Seattle 3
I totally agree.

Fuck Bipartisanship.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM
gloomy gus 4
Spilled milk, schmacky. Time for the prez we have to--what's that verb again?--change.
Posted by gloomy gus on September 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Renton Mike 5
@2 Because we all new the Dems would get 60 seats in the Senate, right?
Posted by Renton Mike on September 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Renton Mike 6
*knew

Dammit.
Posted by Renton Mike on September 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Andy_Squirrel 7
agreed
Posted by Andy_Squirrel on September 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM
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@2 Ah yes, because Hillary Clinton was so successful with healthcare reform in the past. (Not to mention the fact that she raised the most in campaign contributions from the insurance industry in the presidential election)

But hey- At least if Hillary Clinton were president, you'd get a pony for Christmas!
Posted by hypothetical realities are always rosey! on September 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Arsenic7 9
I'd be a huge fan of a single payer program but I've gotta say...some of the other reforms are more important right now, and success in legislating them could help LEAD to a more secure single payer system in the future.
Posted by Arsenic7 on September 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Will in Seattle 10
@9 and angels might fly out of my butt.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Max Solomon 11
all the bipartisan talk is merely political posturing intended to give olympia snowe cover. she, and she alone, is the bipartisanship. the only vote they think they'll get.
Posted by Max Solomon on September 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM
danindowntown 12
Bi-partisanship has to go both ways. Republicans do not negotiate in good faith, therefore they should be marginalized. FDR new this, he ignored Republicans, reveled in their hatred and negotiated within his own party. Obama should take that page from FDR's playbook, ignore and marginalize the opposition and find consensus within. Republicans are too extreme to work with anymore.
Posted by danindowntown on September 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM
spoiler alert 13
YES THANK YOU. repugs could give two shits about bipartisanship. we should feel the same. WE WON AND THEY CAN SUCK IT. argh!

and YES to dan! bipartisanship means negotiation on BOTH SIDES, not just one side caving to the other.

sorry for all the yelling. hmm.
Posted by spoiler alert on September 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM
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I would instead say "Fuck partisanship". I don't want to choose between being labeled a commie anarchist or a fascist fundie. Why can't we just have political opinions without the political orientation? All that does is causes a huge waste of time and money as people file themselves along party lines and bicker ideologies and not ideas. The majority of Americans may support single payer healthcare, but regardless, the majority of "the right" will not support a "left" idea on principle...
Posted by Trevor A on September 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Vince 15
Dems know the right thing to do. Public option is what they promised and they better deliver. Get rid of Baucus. He's rotten with corruption.
Posted by Vince on September 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM
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http://socialistworker.org/2009/01/23/ag…
COMMENT: ELIZABETH SCHULTE
Against bipartisanship

Elizabeth Schulte explains what Barack Obama's promise to pursue "bipartisanship" will mean.

January 23, 2009 | Issue 689 [1]

BARACK OBAMA is in the White House, and he says that means the beginning of a brand-new era in Washington--of "post-partisan" politics.

"On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises," Obama declared in his inauguration speech, "the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that, for far too long, have strangled our politics."

Actually, Obama's talk about "bipartisanship" isn't brand new at all--it's one of the oldest political clichés in the book.

The argument for bipartisanship is that the right and the left have to work together because the public is sick of the gridlock in Washington. What Americans want is action, the argument goes, not more argument and debate.

This does reflect something real about popular opinion. But it's not that people don't care about real political differences. It's that they can't stand empty bickering and grandstanding when no one can understand what's at stake.

In fact, the real problem isn't that the two major parties disagree on too many issues, but on too few--and when they do disagree, the debate isn't about the substance of issues, but appearances and trivia.

The fact of the matter is that there are many issues that are too important to bargain about--the right of same-sex couples to marry, like anyone else; or help for workers who are having their homes snatched from them in the sub-prime loan debacle; or an end to U.S. support for Israel's war on the Palestinians.

Put simply, there are two sides to these arguments, one is the right side--and "reaching across the aisle" to "find consensus" only means concessions on politically important questions.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

OBAMA HAS no need to concede on anything at the center of the program he proposed during the election. He won on the basis of overwhelming support for a change from the status quo.

That sentiment only grew as Inauguration Day approached. According to a New York Times/CBS News poll released before the inauguration, 79 percent of the population was optimistic about the next four years under Obama, the most favorable rating among all of the last five presidents. Fifty-eight percent of McCain voters said they were optimistic about the incoming administration.

As the Los Angeles Times pointed out:

Obama takes office with big advantages, such as a Democratic majority in Congress, a grassroots network and e-mail list of 13 million people, and high approval ratings...

Even Republicans, who are searching for new leadership and a new identity, will be wary of challenging Obama, at least right away. "Nobody wants to be painted as the guy that wouldn't give Barack Obama the chance to get his program started," said Dick Armey, a former House Republican leader who is now a conservative activist. "No one wants to be seen as the skunk at the garden party."

Four years ago, a puffed-up George Bush bragged that he was going to spend his "political capital" from winning re-election--and his presidency promptly plunged toward disaster.

If anyone does have "political capital" to spend on the promises that won him such overwhelming support, it's Barack Obama. But instead, he's playing up his supposed ability to reach out to conservatives.

In the days leading up to the inauguration, he reportedly sat down for dinner at George Will's house with conservative pundits William Kristol, David Brooks and Charles Krauthammer. And at the inauguration itself, Obama asked right-wing, anti-gay minister Rick Warren to deliver the invocation, giving him a platform unlike any he's ever had.

The truth is that when Washington politicians preach moderation and "centrism," and call for the left and right to come together in the middle, it almost never means the right moving to the left. Instead, it's a cover for the political debate to be pulled to the right.

As Thomas Frank wrote in the Wall Street Journal:

[T]he real-world function of Beltway centrism has not been to wage high-minded war against "both extremes," but to fight specifically against the economic and foreign policies of liberalism. Centrism's institutional triumphs have been won mainly if not entirely within the Democratic Party. Its greatest exponent, President Bill Clinton, persistently used his own movement as a foil in his great game of triangulation.

And centrism's achievements? Well, there's NAFTA, which proved Democrats could stand up to labor. There's the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. There's the Iraq war resolution, approved by numerous Democrats in brave defiance of their party's left. Triumphs all...

Frank concludes, "Centrism is a chump's game. Democrats have massive majorities these days not because they waffle hither and yon, but because their historic principles have been vindicated by events. This is their moment. Let the other side do the triangulating."

The Democrats are in power after eight long years of Republican rule, and the expectation is that they will enact significant changes. There have already been some. As one of his first acts, Obama signed an executive order to close down the Guantánamo Bay prison camp.

But it's important to remember that while they might differ on the hows of the "war on terror," the Democrats typically agree with the Republicans on whats and whys.

As the executive of the world's leading military and economic superpower, the Obama administration has inherited the same central project as all the administrations--of both parties--that came before it. Its priority is projecting U.S. imperial power abroad and maintaining corporate interests at home. The Obama administration might do it without Guantánamo, but it will do all it can to serve this agenda.

There's good reason to believe that change is possible, but it won't be the kind we want unless we take a side and fight for it.
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Posted by Real Socialist on September 16, 2009 at 12:38 PM
The Amazing Jim 17
No public option? No support.

End of line.
Posted by The Amazing Jim http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=100000076496291&ref=profile on September 16, 2009 at 1:02 PM
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17
that is why you will lose
Posted by gop on September 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM
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I'm beginning to think that healthcare is to Democrats what abortion is to Republicans. Seeing each issue resolved removes a major campaign plank for the parties and as long as they have their rallying issues, they dont really have to do anything about them. Republicans NEED abortion to be legal so they can campaign against it and whip up the electorate. Dems NEED a screwy healthcare system so they can do the same with their constituents. And come 2010, when there is no majority control by either party, maybe, MAYBE some legislation can get passed or there will be the same gridlck that has stifled gov't for decades.
Posted by Steve W on September 16, 2009 at 1:07 PM
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I agree. You know what's more effective than writing that here? Writing to your representatives.
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welc…
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_in…
and the president
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Know what else would help. Write to the Blue Dog Democrats. Pretend your in their district if you want. Tell them what you're telling us here. Write them every damn day! Remind them that 70% of the public wants a public option. Remind them that 3 of 4 Dr's want a public option. Don't cave to the Republican'ts.

Republicans have NOTHING useful to say on health care reform. I'm a big fan of bipartisanship but in this case it's worthless. They're going to do everything they can to water down the bill and vote against it anyway. I say push and push hard. Fuck Republicans. Write your reps and president. Repeatedly!
Posted by Root on September 16, 2009 at 1:23 PM
21
@1 and @17: Brave words for the party that just lost in a fucking landslide.
Posted by Tell Another One on September 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM
stevema14420 22
Ramming the bill through with reconcilliation is not a silver bullet. It works great for parts of the bill which directly affect the budget (i.e. expanding medicare and medicade, funding tax credits for individuals, assessing penalties or rewards for employers to provide insurance).

However, due to the Byrd rule, it doesn't work so well with writing policies(i.e. public option/pre-existing condition ban/insurance exchange). Plus those 51 democrats must have the balls to keep on voting to overturn the parlimentarian ad nauseam. It would just make the public option in to swiss cheese. Unless Sen. Reid is the smartest fucking guy in the universe and can lawyer his way around these issues.
Posted by stevema14420 http://www.aebn.net on September 16, 2009 at 2:33 PM
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That's just it- we got CREAMED in the election, I expected we would end up goo in Obama's treads as he rolled all over us.
But Obama and the Democrats have been such feckless pussies that it's like- we rule!
Obama has let the Teabaggers bitchslap him around and the actual Republicans just have to knit their brow crossly and Obama totally caves.
It has been totally better than if McCain had won.
Plus even democratic pollsters say we will make big gains in the midterm elections.
I'd say Obama has been a pretty sweet President for the Right...
Posted by Pinch Me- I must be dreaming... on September 16, 2009 at 6:08 PM
yucca flower 24
There will never be health care or any kind of reform in any sector. The government is owned by Wall street. Why do you think we bail them out time and time again without repercussions?

"Capital must protect itself in every way: Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance..." J. P. Morgan.

I saw this on another site and it was an epiphany.
Posted by yucca flower on September 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Donolectic 25
@2 has a point. Hillary already has the experience fighting republicans on healthcare and has been through the process once already. She's also not afraid to fight back at them.

Hopechange seems to be about assuming that the other side is playing fair. And the only gays that are worthy of understanding and support are the Donnie McClurkin variety.
Posted by Donolectic on September 17, 2009 at 12:33 AM
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gee
Posted by . on October 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Barack Obama 27
wow
Posted by Barack Obama on October 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM

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