Tuesday, September 15, 2009
City You And Your Stupid Fucking Dog
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I've gotten used to you people taking your stupid fucking dogs into every bar in town. The laws against it aren't enforced and the health department winks and tells bar owners that if you say it's a service animal, well, it's not really possible for a bar own to independently verify that, so... But there's a limit. No fucking dogs on the fucking furniture, please, and don't let your fucking dog run all over the fucking place. And if your fucking dog is on one of those fucking annoying retractable fucking leashes, and you let out all the slack, then your fucking dog is running all over the place even if your fucking dog is technically on its fucking leash.
And if you can bring your fucking dog into this bar, I can bring my fucking aversion to fucking dogs into this bar. And we can share this bar—me, you, your fucking dog—so long as you keep your fucking dog off me. It's not too much to ask. And if your dog does get up on me, or too close, I can snap my fingers and glower at your dog and point in your direction, sending your fucking dog scurrying back to you with its fucking tail between its fucking legs.
Before you fuckers jump on me for being a passive-aggressive pussy, I said all of this to the dumb fuck with the adorable pooch.
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Way to go Dan! I fucking hate it when some stranger's dog jumps on me only to be told "oh he must like you."
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A while back I walked into a bar and a saw a dog come out of the bathroom, water dripping from its mouth. I'm with ya here.
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This is just the warmup, Dan. One day you'll be in some bar minding your own business (as if), and then one guy will come in with a dog, and then another, and then another, and before you know it there will be 10 of them in there, and they'll all be PIT BULLS, and as your eyes widen in realization, someone will say "SIC 'EM," and those will be the last words you'll hear before they rip you to shreds. Sleep well.
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Thank you Dan!
Why people think it's OK to bring their pets into establishments that serve or sell food is beyond me.
Why people think it's OK to bring their pets into establishments that serve or sell food is beyond me.
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hey guess what, if you dont like it there are 500 other places in this city to get a drink. having a dog is much like having a child, in that it restricts what you can and cant do out among the public. you find a bar that *wink wink nudge nudge* allows you to both enjoy a drink and be out in the general public, as a dog owner, you hold fast to that that and fuck whiny dudes who complain.
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Eeeee, Dan you are sooooo charming! I bet that dog owner went home a changed and ashamed person! They'll never do that again after a fucking stupid jerk told them off publicly!
You sure know how to effect change alrighty.....
You sure know how to effect change alrighty.....
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blammo! you don't have to hate dogs to appreciate a badly behaved owner getting a thorough scolding.
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I have a dog. I don't take it with me to bars or restaurants (mostly because I enjoy eating a meal, every once in a while, that I don't have to share with sad puppy eyes). Even if I did, I would never bring it inside the building. Out on the patio is okay, but in the bar no way.
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As a lifelong dog owner, I agree with Dan. There are a few places where they are common, and Dan should just avoid those. But for the most part, dogs do not belong. And if you must take your doggie to the bar, it must be able to lie at your feet and not fucking move. If your dog won't do that, keep it at home.
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@10 - I'm sorry you feel like your dog keeps you from having fun. Maybe you shouldn't own a dog. Also, judging by your dog logic, please don't have a baby.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Thank you, Dan. I'm with you 100% on this one. I probably would have used one or two more "fucking" and possibly a few "cocksucking" and "motherfucking" and definitely "you and your cunting dog and your motherfucking shitstring of a leash". I'll bet he's got a little plastic bag with dogshit in it still hanging from it, and hasn't washed his hands since he picked it up, and dug out his shit-encrusted dollar fucking bills to pay for his toilet cock shit ass cunt motherfucker of a drink. The wankstain lip hole shit ass knob of a pustule-eater.
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@10 you're right, it is like having a child. a stupid furry poop eating child. you don't take children to bars so we don't have to smell them or listen to their cryingbeggingincesantchatter. if you want a dog, fine. keep it out of the bars. or away from other patrons, at least.
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While I think you're being a tight ass about dogs in bars, I totally share your hatred for those goddamn motherfucking piece of shit asshole douche nozzles who use retractable leashes. I got closelined on my bike at greenlake recently by some old lady with a teenie-tiny doggie that she had let wander across the path and behind a tree. Didn't see the thing until it was too late and yanked her little pouch about twenty feet befor I could stop.
God, I hate those fucking things.
But more importantly I hate people who have a complete lack of spatial awareness of other human beings.
God, I hate those fucking things.
But more importantly I hate people who have a complete lack of spatial awareness of other human beings.
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I was once in a store where some dog was licking all of the bulk food bins. I told the owner, but she didn't seem too concerned. Fucking cunt! Leave your dogs at home.
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Dan, I have always loved you from afar. However, the question cums to mind. Are you getting fucked enough?
This rant has some basis, of-course, but really it just sounds like you need a really -good-long fuck and ---honestly-- you will feel better.
This rant has some basis, of-course, but really it just sounds like you need a really -good-long fuck and ---honestly-- you will feel better.
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Gee Dan, it's not like people can disguise their booze in Camelbak or Nalgene bottles and drink while their dog is in an approved off-leash area. How do you know that the drinkers with doggies aren't there because their dog's moaning "take me out1 I don't go anywhere! I just sit in the backyard or deck and bark bark bark to get anyone to notice me because I'm bored. just take me out. I don't care if you have to drink to be with me. I need out. I need out. I need to be walked every day like you need to drink every day"?
@3: You're in luck. The next time some stranger's dog approaches you and pounces on you, if you're lucky enough to identify its owner nearby, you can tell her or him their dog's behavior and their irresponsibility are against the Seattle Municipal Code
http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scripts/n…
@3: You're in luck. The next time some stranger's dog approaches you and pounces on you, if you're lucky enough to identify its owner nearby, you can tell her or him their dog's behavior and their irresponsibility are against the Seattle Municipal Code
http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scripts/n…
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I still don't get why you never seem to complain to the management.
And I don't believe this happens in every bar. Unless you go to a totally different set of bars than I do but how could that be? I think you have some unspoken reason for having to keep going back to the dog friendly bars, and that's the real problem here. Is someone making you go? Do you feel you have given up your independence? Do they let you speak to your old friends or go places without them? Have you talked to anyone about this?
I want proof there are dogs in all kinds of bars, rather than just a few select ones. Pics or it didn't happen.
And I don't believe this happens in every bar. Unless you go to a totally different set of bars than I do but how could that be? I think you have some unspoken reason for having to keep going back to the dog friendly bars, and that's the real problem here. Is someone making you go? Do you feel you have given up your independence? Do they let you speak to your old friends or go places without them? Have you talked to anyone about this?
I want proof there are dogs in all kinds of bars, rather than just a few select ones. Pics or it didn't happen.
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I'm in agreement, dogs don't belong in bars, pubs, grocery stores, planes, etc., unless they are service dogs.
That said, you all need Lucky Labrador Brewing Company, all of their pubs have outdoor sheltered seating for patrons who bring their dogs. They even provide water for Fido. The beer is good and patrons who sit outside understand they're hanging with the dogs. The patrons inside know the only dogs they will find are in the artwork and photos on the walls.
That said, you all need Lucky Labrador Brewing Company, all of their pubs have outdoor sheltered seating for patrons who bring their dogs. They even provide water for Fido. The beer is good and patrons who sit outside understand they're hanging with the dogs. The patrons inside know the only dogs they will find are in the artwork and photos on the walls.
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I was once at the Red Door (in Fremont) and the server had to tell two guys that their little dog couldn't be indoors. They were a bit annoyed and slightly argued but eventually left. It made me like the place a whole lot more.
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i'm a dog owner, love dogs and i couldn't agree more.
actually, i'll take it further and say i wish restaurants and bars would enforce the no animals rule.
i don't bring my dog into restaurants and it pisses me off when other people think they don't have to follow the rules.
if all dog owners brought their dogs into restaurants it would be a disaster.
so - the people who bring dogs into bars and restaurants are self-entitled, jerk, free-riders....
actually, i'll take it further and say i wish restaurants and bars would enforce the no animals rule.
i don't bring my dog into restaurants and it pisses me off when other people think they don't have to follow the rules.
if all dog owners brought their dogs into restaurants it would be a disaster.
so - the people who bring dogs into bars and restaurants are self-entitled, jerk, free-riders....
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Dogs in bars have never bothered me but I see why it bothers others. But, I think to man, eh, who cares?
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@22:
A decent owner retracts the leashes and keeps it locked if there's other people around.
You just ran into a stupid twit.
On other things, I have a dog, small but not of a yappy breed (Corgi mix). But I leave her at home because A) she's afraid of men (she was a rescued dog, we think it was a man that abused her) - getting better, but we know crowds may cause a reaction. B) Health code.
And something I noticed everyone overlooking C) Allergies. Some people are allergic to dog hair.
A decent owner retracts the leashes and keeps it locked if there's other people around.
You just ran into a stupid twit.
On other things, I have a dog, small but not of a yappy breed (Corgi mix). But I leave her at home because A) she's afraid of men (she was a rescued dog, we think it was a man that abused her) - getting better, but we know crowds may cause a reaction. B) Health code.
And something I noticed everyone overlooking C) Allergies. Some people are allergic to dog hair.
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Here's my dog story. Went to the dentist recently, older woman in waiting room with her dog waiting in a chair too. Got a VERY dirty look from dog owner for my raised eyebrow looking at her dog. Whatever. Anyway, later I could hear her in the examining room next to mine... talking to her dog which was in the room with her! WFT?!
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"....I can snap my fingers and glower at your dog and point in your direction, sending your fucking dog scurrying back to you with its fucking tail between its fucking legs"
Oh, but Dan, would you do that if it were a pit bull?
Oh, but Dan, would you do that if it were a pit bull?
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Your old buddy Rick Santorum is back. And he is the person in the unsavory position of trying to offer a rebuttal to an Obama speech.
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We were at the Tilth thing on Saturday and someone had their German Shepherd sitting right on a picnic table, with its butt right on the table. Even my kid was totally grossed out. I like dogs generally but intrusive disgusting behavior isn't ok anywhere.
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Dan, you forgot about the "strong pussy" thing again. Unless you were suggesting that strong pussies are passive aggressive? i think you might as well give up on switching to saying scrotum, anyway. You forget all the time and, in the grand scheme of things, it was pretty silly anyway.
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I was in Half-Price Books on Cap Hill adn was sitting on a stool looking at some items on a lower shelf. Some fool's off-leash dog came snurffing up to me and put its nose in my crotch. I promptly punched it in the face and it went on its way. I think the owner saw my but they didn't say shit.
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I adore dogs, (well, most of them)...Dog owners, not so much. Dogs aren't children, dogs aren't people, dogs really don't enjoy being underfoot in crowded places and dogs belong at home or in a park.
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I don't think people in other cities get this hung up on this. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just the modern era where everyone is perpetually offended about everything?
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@34, thank you. I'm very, very allergic to dogs. If exposed to them I, among other reactions, suffer from debilitating asthma attacks. Prolonged exposure means that my asthma medication ceases to be effective. I've worked in bars where people have brought their dogs and where the management refused to ask them to leave, forcing me to end my shift early and lose income. Fuck your fucking dogs.
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I'm not too offended by dawgs putting their slobbering face in my lap for some funtime activity, but then again I really don't mind a cougar doing that and hey, it's all good, being an equal opportunity slut hell i'd even let a beaver, a duck or a fighting Irishman do the same.... not so sure I'd let a banana slug go there.
okay I would.
okay I would.
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Hey Dan. Maybe I should walk into one of these bars with my pet boa constrictor. I mean if all those other folks can bring their pets, why can't I bring my pet? She's a service snake, you see.
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As long as we're being curmudgeon-y, I'll admit that -- while I love dogs -- I HATE that the owners presume that you want to meet their dog. A big pet peeve is how people with those retractable leashes craftily let out the slack just as you're walking by. Contact with animals should be optional, I tell you!
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to everyone who says dogs=kids, your kid climbs on me, you'll get the same treatment. you got a dog, you shat out a kid, keep them both off me. if that is too much to ask, you are too irresponsible to care for another being.
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@50. Bullshit. France. Not. The. Same. As. Europe. Small well-behaved dogs not the same as giant untrained slobberdogs as preferred by pinhead Seattlites.
In Britain dogs are typically OK in the public bar (with a floor) but not in the saloon bar (with a carpet). Same establishment, different doors.
In Britain dogs are typically OK in the public bar (with a floor) but not in the saloon bar (with a carpet). Same establishment, different doors.
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@ 50 I wish we were more tolerant. I personally don't see what the problem is unless the dog is unruly. I understand folks may have allergies to dogs, but then again what about the myriads of other possible allergens within the bar environment? Peanuts, anyone? I think that if patrons can can get off wearing stinky perfume to the bar, then well behaved, leashed dogs should be allowed as well.
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So, am I to understand that people who take their dogs for a walk can't wait the 5 minute return trip to have a beer, or that they have nigh-suicidal alcoholism that they MUST have a beer with their dog. There's no excuse to take your dog with you to a bar. If it tears up the house while you're gone, get it more training. If it hates to be alone and "cries", tough shit, it's an animal.
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Dog-hating is for stupids.
Dogs should be judged on an individual basis. Some dogs are indeed assholes, but most of them have way more positive energy then the average hipster or princess sitting in Smith.
Dogs should be judged on an individual basis. Some dogs are indeed assholes, but most of them have way more positive energy then the average hipster or princess sitting in Smith.
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Italy - no dogs in bars. Ever.
Thank you, thank you, Dan because I wish people would quit acting like everyone loves dogs (I like them but not licking me, crotching me or jumping on me) and stop bringing them everywhere. I asked at Pottery Barn (after I observed a dog chewing a pillow) why they were allowed in stores. "Oh we're a dog-friendly shopping area." I asked what happened if someone with a pit bull comes in. Dumb silence. And what if somebody's dog bites somebody's kid. More dumb silence.
Dogs can't go everyplace. Sorry.
Thank you, thank you, Dan because I wish people would quit acting like everyone loves dogs (I like them but not licking me, crotching me or jumping on me) and stop bringing them everywhere. I asked at Pottery Barn (after I observed a dog chewing a pillow) why they were allowed in stores. "Oh we're a dog-friendly shopping area." I asked what happened if someone with a pit bull comes in. Dumb silence. And what if somebody's dog bites somebody's kid. More dumb silence.
Dogs can't go everyplace. Sorry.
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@42 - you punched a non-aggressive dog in the face and you're bragging about it?
@46 - being cranky and offended is what people do around here.
@50 - we're not in Europe.
@59 - i don't see a lot of dog-hating here. i see stupid-dog-owner-hating.
@46 - being cranky and offended is what people do around here.
@50 - we're not in Europe.
@59 - i don't see a lot of dog-hating here. i see stupid-dog-owner-hating.
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Right on mr Savage, but you forgot the most annoying and dangerous of all the fucking behaviors that inconsiderate dog owners display. That is those that own dangerous breeds that are aggressive towards people, it seems that every dumb fuck out there has to own a demonic breed and forgo muzzling them when they take them out in public for a walk or leave them outside of supermarkets or other stores. I don't understand why law enforcement doesn't take action whenever one of these people violate the law. Not only should they be fined and face a considerate amount of jail time but the aggressive beasts should be immediately taken away from them and put to sleep permanently.
If you own a stupid aggressive breed make sure you have enough backyard and space to keep it there so that you don't need to take it out to the general public.
If you own a stupid aggressive breed make sure you have enough backyard and space to keep it there so that you don't need to take it out to the general public.
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Jesus christ your holier-than-thou position on every stupid fucking topic is really annoying. (And I happen to agree with you here, you fucking hack)
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I don't mind dogs in public places provided that they are leashed, held, or just well-mannered. If your dog is rude (jumping, humping, slobbering) it does not need to be in public. I work with rude dogs daily, so I'm used to it (I'm a veterinary assistant), but outside of a vet clinic, your dog needs manners. And God, how I hate retractable leashes. They should never have been invented. Ever.
The exact same rules apply to children. Hell, I've seen more polite dogs in public and on buses than children. Unfortunately, because children just so happen to be human they seem to get a free pass from society if they are slobbery and jumpy in public.
The exact same rules apply to children. Hell, I've seen more polite dogs in public and on buses than children. Unfortunately, because children just so happen to be human they seem to get a free pass from society if they are slobbery and jumpy in public.
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If I didn't bring my dog to the bar--who would drive me home? I'm way too drunk to drive, but rover hasn't touched a drop.
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OMG! People are out there, like, smoking cigarettes outside and stuff! And what's with all these dogs in bars? Why can't everyone be just like me? I only like diverse, tolerant environments when it suits me!
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Let me get this straight, if I am somewhere that has a dogs allowed policy, my pug is on a short leash, not jumping up on anyone (not her thing), not eating pillows, and shitting on someone's shoes, and some motherfucker gets in my face screaming about how much he hates dogs with fuck this and fuck that, or just arbitrarily smacks her in the face... all I can say is it is a very good way for you to get hurt.
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Here this will make the bunch of you lose your shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_tW7K1e…
Those wacky europeans with their dogs in restaurants!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_tW7K1e…
Those wacky europeans with their dogs in restaurants!
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I was in a restaurant once and they let a dog in. He ordered Red wine with the chicken, did not use his napkin but his sleeve, did not know which fork to use and put the knife in his left hand like an American dog.
He tipped REAL well so the wait staff always let him come back in. Oh? You're talking about the 4 footed dogs. Never mind.
He tipped REAL well so the wait staff always let him come back in. Oh? You're talking about the 4 footed dogs. Never mind.
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@72
There is NO BAR in Seattle where dogs are allowed. There's a law against it. So yeah, if you have your dog in a place where dogs are allowed, fine. If you have your dog in a bar that is breaking the law, fuck you, fuck your dog, and if you want to throw down with me over it I'll be more than happy to have you arrested, right before I sue you for everything you own.
There is NO BAR in Seattle where dogs are allowed. There's a law against it. So yeah, if you have your dog in a place where dogs are allowed, fine. If you have your dog in a bar that is breaking the law, fuck you, fuck your dog, and if you want to throw down with me over it I'll be more than happy to have you arrested, right before I sue you for everything you own.
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Super Jesse!! Thank you for saying this:
But more importantly I hate people who have a complete lack of spatial awareness of other human beings.
YES! I have friends who are nice people who exhibit this behvaior and it drives me nuts. It makes you seem thoughtless and self-obsessed, folks. I don't know what causes it in otherwise great people, but PLEASE. STOP.
But more importantly I hate people who have a complete lack of spatial awareness of other human beings.
YES! I have friends who are nice people who exhibit this behvaior and it drives me nuts. It makes you seem thoughtless and self-obsessed, folks. I don't know what causes it in otherwise great people, but PLEASE. STOP.
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People are nuts about dogs in this town, and I don't mean in the cutesy sort of way, but in the 'no I mean you are actually fucking autistic nutter-butter insane' way. I have never seen, in any town, so many dog owners so obsessed and consumed by their animals.
Okay, that's not true. I worked with one woman in Vegas who was like this, and talked about her dog everyday like it was her kid, which should sound familiar to you. When the dog died, she had to take a day off, and when she returned the next day she was catatonic at work for about a week or two before slowly coming back to normal... like you'd be if your son or daughter died. it struck me as uncanny. And then I moved here and half the population's like that.
Okay, that's not true. I worked with one woman in Vegas who was like this, and talked about her dog everyday like it was her kid, which should sound familiar to you. When the dog died, she had to take a day off, and when she returned the next day she was catatonic at work for about a week or two before slowly coming back to normal... like you'd be if your son or daughter died. it struck me as uncanny. And then I moved here and half the population's like that.
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I will add I do know people here, friends and acquaintances, who have more balanced relationships with their animals. But a lot of people in this city take it right over the top.
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@77
"There is "NO BAR in Seattle where dogs are allowed - WRONG! Try Norm's in Fremont. They allow dogs. I have had my dog in there, so have a lot of other people. So here is a big Fuck You! Next - you get in my face threatening me and my dog like some fucking maniac, I have every right to defend myself and knock the living fuck out of you. Then I have you arrested for assault and sue the fuck out of you! Oh and on top of it, hopefully I will have taught my dog to shit on your shoes by then to add insult to injury.
"There is "NO BAR in Seattle where dogs are allowed - WRONG! Try Norm's in Fremont. They allow dogs. I have had my dog in there, so have a lot of other people. So here is a big Fuck You! Next - you get in my face threatening me and my dog like some fucking maniac, I have every right to defend myself and knock the living fuck out of you. Then I have you arrested for assault and sue the fuck out of you! Oh and on top of it, hopefully I will have taught my dog to shit on your shoes by then to add insult to injury.
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"having a dog is much like having a child, in that it restricts what you can and cant do out among the public. "
Unlike children, you can leave them at fucking home.
Unlike children, you can leave them at fucking home.
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I'm pretty fucking nuts about my pets, but I never subject them to other people in a public place where they are forbidden. This problem is the same as parents with out-of-control kids--adults who are so self-absorbed that they don't give a rat's ass about rules or the comfort of others.
It's all about what they want-Poochie or Junior is allowed to roam at will and get into all kinds of crap without Mommy or Daddy stopping them. I had a kid stand next to me in a grocery store and eat candy that he had taken from the Brachs bin dropping the wrappers on my feet while his mom just stood there watching (probably didn't pay for it, either.)
And it's pretty obvious if a dog is a service animal--they typically have special harnesses, and they are trained to be VERY well mannered. Non-service animals do not belong in every retail establishment--PetCo makes sense as a pet-friendly shop, bars do not.
It's all about what they want-Poochie or Junior is allowed to roam at will and get into all kinds of crap without Mommy or Daddy stopping them. I had a kid stand next to me in a grocery store and eat candy that he had taken from the Brachs bin dropping the wrappers on my feet while his mom just stood there watching (probably didn't pay for it, either.)
And it's pretty obvious if a dog is a service animal--they typically have special harnesses, and they are trained to be VERY well mannered. Non-service animals do not belong in every retail establishment--PetCo makes sense as a pet-friendly shop, bars do not.
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For once I can agree with whatshisname: RETRACTABLE LEASHES SUCK! There is no point even having a leash if you are using one...stop being lazy and train your damn dog to be on a real leash and be obedient.
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I love my dog - she goes all over town with me....but
* When we aren't gong somewhere, she sits. Period.
* When we are going somewhere, she walks 8 " off my left leg.
* When new people approach her, she lays down and rolls over - if they want to pet/touch her - that's their choice, not hers.
* When she is at my house, in my yard, she gets to do whatever the hell she wants.
Someone is going to say I am controlling, but screw you - she likes to be controlled. She is a dog. I am alpha, she is not, and she likes to know what she is and is not supposed to do. Then she does it.
People that can't handle being the alpha should not take their dogs in public.
* When we aren't gong somewhere, she sits. Period.
* When we are going somewhere, she walks 8 " off my left leg.
* When new people approach her, she lays down and rolls over - if they want to pet/touch her - that's their choice, not hers.
* When she is at my house, in my yard, she gets to do whatever the hell she wants.
Someone is going to say I am controlling, but screw you - she likes to be controlled. She is a dog. I am alpha, she is not, and she likes to know what she is and is not supposed to do. Then she does it.
People that can't handle being the alpha should not take their dogs in public.
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I loves me some dog. Which is why I'd never drag mine anywhere near a bar.
@34 hear hear on the ALLERZGIES note. Seriously. It's hell on my friends.
Health code too -toilet breath, poo breath, dog dick breath, offleash area 'mud' under the nails/claws - that shit one commenter shared about bulk food bins SICKS ME OUT. Dogs in grocery store? Brain on backorder? Were you raised by Mowgli?? Easy rule: anything you're not willing to bring into a zoo or to an ob/gyn appointment is something that should ALWAYS stay at home or at a designated area.
I had 3 at my peak of dog ownership. Good friends. Nearest thing to extra family members. 3 medium sized dogs. And an acre for them to not get bored on (not to mention they had each other), because that was the responsible thing to do. Wedging single dogs into apartments (tiny dogs with no playmates and no room thanks to YOUR living style) is mean & cruel: and I'd vote to let animal control take your doggy away.
And lest we forget, our charming canine friends are indeed animals not children and may (Oh horries! My snookums?!?!) get protective / have it's hair pulled or tail stepped on / go apeshit and BITE someone's face off. Don't think so? You're wrong. I'd have you meet my neighbors daughter, but she's a bit fucked up right now. Go ahead, you can guess how...
Too bad there's not like some documentation of all the ages, names, & places that people suffer from serious or fatal dog bites. Yeah, that'd be smart.... Oh oh , wait. THERE IS:
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/10/
dog-bite-victims-group-releases-video.html
I also loves me some children. And for the life of me, can't train mine to hump a leg, kill the elderly -or- shit on anyone's shoe. Slight differences there, I guess -Go figure.
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@34 hear hear on the ALLERZGIES note. Seriously. It's hell on my friends.
Health code too -toilet breath, poo breath, dog dick breath, offleash area 'mud' under the nails/claws - that shit one commenter shared about bulk food bins SICKS ME OUT. Dogs in grocery store? Brain on backorder? Were you raised by Mowgli?? Easy rule: anything you're not willing to bring into a zoo or to an ob/gyn appointment is something that should ALWAYS stay at home or at a designated area.
I had 3 at my peak of dog ownership. Good friends. Nearest thing to extra family members. 3 medium sized dogs. And an acre for them to not get bored on (not to mention they had each other), because that was the responsible thing to do. Wedging single dogs into apartments (tiny dogs with no playmates and no room thanks to YOUR living style) is mean & cruel: and I'd vote to let animal control take your doggy away.
And lest we forget, our charming canine friends are indeed animals not children and may (Oh horries! My snookums?!?!) get protective / have it's hair pulled or tail stepped on / go apeshit and BITE someone's face off. Don't think so? You're wrong. I'd have you meet my neighbors daughter, but she's a bit fucked up right now. Go ahead, you can guess how...
Too bad there's not like some documentation of all the ages, names, & places that people suffer from serious or fatal dog bites. Yeah, that'd be smart.... Oh oh , wait. THERE IS:
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/10/
dog-bite-victims-group-releases-video.html
I also loves me some children. And for the life of me, can't train mine to hump a leg, kill the elderly -or- shit on anyone's shoe. Slight differences there, I guess -Go figure.
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I don't have dogs myself, but will house-sit for friends and take care of theirs. Taking a dog into a place is something like bicycling on the sidewalk, if I'm doing so, it's my responsibility to be as inoffensive to everyone else as possible.
That means that any dog I might have with me needs to be as well disciplined as a service dog, so he happily stays under my chair and drinks his water. If not (which is generally the case) I don't take dogs into stores.
Not into bars, myself, but love coffee shops with WiFi. I'll tend to spend hours there, though, and wouldn't expect a dog to endure short leash confinement of that kind of duration.
Indeed, the extend-o-leashes require a certain amount of awareness. I've inadvertently disarmed dog owners who would allow their lines to cut across the bike lanes around sundown. Fortunately, I didn't hurt the dogs in the process. Myself, I know to keep leashes short around others unless they're obviously dog friendly (and even then).
My worst assignment was a black lab who had been overcontained as a pup. He needed the longer leash to race around in circles, but would get over excited on sight of anyone else, hence I'd have to retract the leash and hold him by the collar whenever a pedestrian would approach. His excitement would then often be interpreted as hostility. No, he really just likes to play. Yeah, right.
That means that any dog I might have with me needs to be as well disciplined as a service dog, so he happily stays under my chair and drinks his water. If not (which is generally the case) I don't take dogs into stores.
Not into bars, myself, but love coffee shops with WiFi. I'll tend to spend hours there, though, and wouldn't expect a dog to endure short leash confinement of that kind of duration.
Indeed, the extend-o-leashes require a certain amount of awareness. I've inadvertently disarmed dog owners who would allow their lines to cut across the bike lanes around sundown. Fortunately, I didn't hurt the dogs in the process. Myself, I know to keep leashes short around others unless they're obviously dog friendly (and even then).
My worst assignment was a black lab who had been overcontained as a pup. He needed the longer leash to race around in circles, but would get over excited on sight of anyone else, hence I'd have to retract the leash and hold him by the collar whenever a pedestrian would approach. His excitement would then often be interpreted as hostility. No, he really just likes to play. Yeah, right.
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Loveschild @65, I wouldn't be so quick to condemn entire breeds of dogs for aggressiveness, especially since hostility is as much (if not more) a matter of training and upbringing than it is the genes of a breed.
The biggest myth is American Pit Bull Terriers, which indeed, were bred to be fighters, but are rather average in disposition. It's usually the levels of abuse they go through in preparation as a pit-fighter that makes them so aggressive.
Mongolian Chows were bread to be war dogs and do tend to be aggressive, but are regarded as pets (too expensive for pits) hence their reputation is not as tarnished as Terriers, above; most Chows are well trained by the time they are adults.
English Mastiffs, also war dogs, are inherently suspicious of strangers, but are so often used for service dogs (search and rescue more than personal assistance), that all (rogue) hostility has been trained out of them.
Like Pit Bull Terriers, Doberman Pinschers have been subject to the myth of being aggressive thanks to their use as security dogs, but are actually quite gentle until trained or otherwise driven to act otherwise. They also have full length tails and floppy ears all of which are bobbed when pressed into security work.
Like humans of any given disposition, you're going to have the crazies and the ones that were messed up too much to return to civilization. You're also going to have the saints and sweethearts. It's just not right to condemn a lot of them based on what a few has done.
The biggest myth is American Pit Bull Terriers, which indeed, were bred to be fighters, but are rather average in disposition. It's usually the levels of abuse they go through in preparation as a pit-fighter that makes them so aggressive.
Mongolian Chows were bread to be war dogs and do tend to be aggressive, but are regarded as pets (too expensive for pits) hence their reputation is not as tarnished as Terriers, above; most Chows are well trained by the time they are adults.
English Mastiffs, also war dogs, are inherently suspicious of strangers, but are so often used for service dogs (search and rescue more than personal assistance), that all (rogue) hostility has been trained out of them.
Like Pit Bull Terriers, Doberman Pinschers have been subject to the myth of being aggressive thanks to their use as security dogs, but are actually quite gentle until trained or otherwise driven to act otherwise. They also have full length tails and floppy ears all of which are bobbed when pressed into security work.
Like humans of any given disposition, you're going to have the crazies and the ones that were messed up too much to return to civilization. You're also going to have the saints and sweethearts. It's just not right to condemn a lot of them based on what a few has done.
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above the fold: www.dogsbite.org
http://www.dogsbite.org/
blog/2008/10/dog-bite-victims-group-releases-video.html
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/10/dog…
52 americans dead in 3 years. From dogs. 25% weren't even pit bulls or rottys.
Uriel - I'm sorry, you happen to be mostly mistaken about the nature of pit bulls. Next your going to feed me the pro-pitbull line about how they are 'Nanny Dogs', right? In one case, there were other dogs (breeds) raised by the same people in the nursery room. yet the pit bull's the one eating the baby. Please, explain that away?
Here, read this, w/r/t brandon dillingham:
"The first time he looked in the mirror, it scared him, and he asked if it was his face. He says he wants his other mouth back. "
Wake up call:
http://www.dogsbite.org/
victim-realities-voices.htm
http://www.dogsbite.org/victim-realities…
Dog bites occur every 75 seconds in the US. Each day, over 1,000 citizens need emergency care to treat these bites
http://www.dogsbite.org/
blog/2008/10/dog-bite-victims-group-releases-video.html
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/10/dog…
52 americans dead in 3 years. From dogs. 25% weren't even pit bulls or rottys.
Uriel - I'm sorry, you happen to be mostly mistaken about the nature of pit bulls. Next your going to feed me the pro-pitbull line about how they are 'Nanny Dogs', right? In one case, there were other dogs (breeds) raised by the same people in the nursery room. yet the pit bull's the one eating the baby. Please, explain that away?
Here, read this, w/r/t brandon dillingham:
"The first time he looked in the mirror, it scared him, and he asked if it was his face. He says he wants his other mouth back. "
Wake up call:
http://www.dogsbite.org/
victim-realities-voices.htm
http://www.dogsbite.org/victim-realities…
Dog bites occur every 75 seconds in the US. Each day, over 1,000 citizens need emergency care to treat these bites
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71: Holy fuck! Someone expects me to leave my slobbery dog at home when I go drinking, AND expects me to know that it's not cool to smoke right in the middle of a crowd? He must be a fascist asshole! Doesn't he know that I'm the center of the fucking universe?
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Shouting! Threatening! Bragging! One-upmanship! Fight it out kids, I'm not reading any of it. I just want to say Good Job Dan for fitting in the word "fuck" 22 times. Glorious.
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DOGS ARE NOT CHILDREN!!! We might love them but please you bleeding hearts in the comments thread, stop referring to animals as humans! kthxbai
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#69 nailed it. Retractable leashes invite you, beg you, to neglect your responsibilities as a dog owner/walker. They are pointless, rude, and as someone who used to commute along the Burke-Gilman, incredibly dangerous. Use a normal leash.
I say this as a dog lover who regularly gets down on my knees to say hello to a dog and doesn't usually mind when they jump on me.
I say this as a dog lover who regularly gets down on my knees to say hello to a dog and doesn't usually mind when they jump on me.
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@46: I guess because people in other cities don't have to tolerate poorly trained dogs or shitty dog owners. I've lived in Toronto all my life and I don't think I've ever seen a dog inside any place that served food or drink.
Leashed out next to the owner sitting on the patio, maybe. *Inside*? Never. Buses, streetcars, and the subway let dogs on, but public transit is filthy and intrusive anyway. Good thing is I've only had one problem ever with a crap dog owner who let her dog run across the train so the leash tripped people coming in through the door. (Fuck you, lady.)
If you really, really cannot leave your dog at home -- what do you do when you're at work? Do all dog owners work from home?-- get a dog-sitter, just like for kids. Or invite friends over, with *their* dogs. Or pay for proper, professional training that will stick.
Leashed out next to the owner sitting on the patio, maybe. *Inside*? Never. Buses, streetcars, and the subway let dogs on, but public transit is filthy and intrusive anyway. Good thing is I've only had one problem ever with a crap dog owner who let her dog run across the train so the leash tripped people coming in through the door. (Fuck you, lady.)
If you really, really cannot leave your dog at home -- what do you do when you're at work? Do all dog owners work from home?-- get a dog-sitter, just like for kids. Or invite friends over, with *their* dogs. Or pay for proper, professional training that will stick.
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1. European (French and German, anyways) dogs are much better trained than American dogs.
2. Don't take your dog to bars that serve food.
3. Don't take your dog anywhere it can't behave.
4. Retractable leashes are garottes.
5. @79 -- if her actual kid had died, that lady would have been bummed out for more than a week or two. Dogs are companions who share your household -- if they disappear you miss them.
2. Don't take your dog to bars that serve food.
3. Don't take your dog anywhere it can't behave.
4. Retractable leashes are garottes.
5. @79 -- if her actual kid had died, that lady would have been bummed out for more than a week or two. Dogs are companions who share your household -- if they disappear you miss them.
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I live in Montreal, and there's one bar in my neighborhood (that I know of) where I can bring my dog. I assume there haven't been any problems, or they would change this unofficial policy. I keep mine on a leash, but most other patrons make a point to come over and interact with her. They really love dogs there and it adds something special to the place. I agree that dogs should by default leave people alone while out in public, and I understand that some people have had bad experiences with dogs, but going off because no one should ever dare to bring any dog into the same room as you is a bit extreme, whether the law is on your side or not. Is it really that common to be assaulted by a slobbery dog in a bar or restaurant in Seattle?
There's no need to be so combative, even if the dog/owner is out of line. There will always be jerks and morons, but being calm and reasonable still gets everyone better results. I'm so grateful that (most) people were patient with me when I was getting the hang of being a considerate dog owner, and I'm really happy that there are establishments out there that are a little more flexible with these things. It allows people to have positive or at least neutral experiences with dogs, which is a great thing, considering that dogs seem to be hard to avoid altogether these days, living in a free society and all. Different bars assign different weight to the advantages for some customers and the discomfort of others. If you hate it, take your business elsewhere. Isn't that how shit works most of the time?
There's no need to be so combative, even if the dog/owner is out of line. There will always be jerks and morons, but being calm and reasonable still gets everyone better results. I'm so grateful that (most) people were patient with me when I was getting the hang of being a considerate dog owner, and I'm really happy that there are establishments out there that are a little more flexible with these things. It allows people to have positive or at least neutral experiences with dogs, which is a great thing, considering that dogs seem to be hard to avoid altogether these days, living in a free society and all. Different bars assign different weight to the advantages for some customers and the discomfort of others. If you hate it, take your business elsewhere. Isn't that how shit works most of the time?
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"I've lived in Toronto all my life and I don't think I've ever seen a dog inside any place that served food or drink."
Grown men ride their bikes on the sidewalk in Toronto -- I can't take that place seriously.
Grown men ride their bikes on the sidewalk in Toronto -- I can't take that place seriously.
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It's time for my pet peeve comment on Slog again.
Passive-aggressive does not mean what you think it means. Not telling someone off and posting it to Slog is not passive-aggressive. It's passive. Passive-aggressive is when a person tacitly or explicitly agrees with a person verbally to do something, but then actively works against the previously agreed upon item in perhaps not so subtle ways. Complaining is not a passive-aggressive activity in this sense.
Get your fucking terms right.
Passive-aggressive does not mean what you think it means. Not telling someone off and posting it to Slog is not passive-aggressive. It's passive. Passive-aggressive is when a person tacitly or explicitly agrees with a person verbally to do something, but then actively works against the previously agreed upon item in perhaps not so subtle ways. Complaining is not a passive-aggressive activity in this sense.
Get your fucking terms right.
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@92--Thank you! I want to take this opportunity to clear up some misconceptions. My dog merely steers--I work the pedals. I used to let Fido do it all but it turns out he has something of a lead paw.
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@44 Well, well somebody call Ripley's. It's a typing pussy. How bout I make you a deal, cupcake? You stick your face in my crotch and I'll punch you too.
@62 Not bragging just stating something point of fact. The dog comitted a transgression and was met with negative reenforcement. If the owner had a problem they should have said something as they saw me do it. Perhaps they kept their mouth shut because they knew both they and their dog were fucking up.
@62 Not bragging just stating something point of fact. The dog comitted a transgression and was met with negative reenforcement. If the owner had a problem they should have said something as they saw me do it. Perhaps they kept their mouth shut because they knew both they and their dog were fucking up.
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...AND THEN DAN SAVAGE PUNCHED THAT MUTT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. WA-POW! YOU JUST GOT SAVAGED!!
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I really wonder if the solution isn't to permit a certain percentage of establishments to allow objectionable behaviors - 25% of bars can apply for a smoking license, 25% of bars can apply for a dogs-permitted license. When the licenses are all given out, you have to go on a waiting list to be permitted onto the Objectionable Behaviors Bar list.
I was walking past the one remaining disgusting bar in downtown Auburn's former Tavern Row on Sunday (all the other bars have been finally driven out). There were about 50 barflies (several staggering drunk at noon on Sunday) standing outside, all over the place, smoking, blocking the sidewalk, making rude comments to passersby. That's a bar that should still have a smoking license, so all those drunken stinky dickheads would stay inside and not inflict themselves on people trying to walk to the farmer's market.
I feel the same way about dogs-permitted bar licensing. That way, those of us that won't patronize a smoking establishment or one that allows the four-footed can simply stay away from those bars and spend our money elsewhere.
Rather than trying to legislate offensive behaviors out of existence, why not work to control and contain them?
I was walking past the one remaining disgusting bar in downtown Auburn's former Tavern Row on Sunday (all the other bars have been finally driven out). There were about 50 barflies (several staggering drunk at noon on Sunday) standing outside, all over the place, smoking, blocking the sidewalk, making rude comments to passersby. That's a bar that should still have a smoking license, so all those drunken stinky dickheads would stay inside and not inflict themselves on people trying to walk to the farmer's market.
I feel the same way about dogs-permitted bar licensing. That way, those of us that won't patronize a smoking establishment or one that allows the four-footed can simply stay away from those bars and spend our money elsewhere.
Rather than trying to legislate offensive behaviors out of existence, why not work to control and contain them?
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@81 aka Senor Guy aka Bill Finger... are you too fucking stupid to read AND understand at the same time? it's against municipal code in seattle to take non-service dogs into bars. therefore, a bar like norm's in fremont is breaking the law by allowing your fat ass to bring your dog in unless you are blind or otherwise at a physical disadvantage that requires a dog to lead you around.
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@89..The site you refer to knowingly posts skewed stats. It is run by some CRAZY who was bitten by a dog and rather than getting therapy to deal with the trauma, she decided to start a campaign against an entire breed of dogs.
She does NOT list all attacks, posts studies that have been debunked by the Scientific community, etc.
The site is really funny though...good to see how far her hatred will take her:) Always gives me a chuckle.
For better data check the CDC, National Canine Research Council or local Shelter stats.
She does NOT list all attacks, posts studies that have been debunked by the Scientific community, etc.
The site is really funny though...good to see how far her hatred will take her:) Always gives me a chuckle.
For better data check the CDC, National Canine Research Council or local Shelter stats.
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JulietteF @89, I got my information from wikipedia.. I've never heard the nanny dogs line, so you can rest assured you won't hear it from me. But from the same article:
...The American Pit Bull Terrier is a breed that is loyal to friends and family, and is generally friendly towards strangers. People have been known to be afraid of them because of their bad reputations. Nonetheless, an APBT can be a very congenial pet....
...In the United States they have been used as search and rescue dogs that save lives, police dogs performing narcotics and explosives detection, Border Patrol dogs, hearing dogs to provide services to the deaf, as well as general service dogs....
...A study done by the CDC showed that "pit bull type" dogs accounted for the majority of dog related fatalities in the United States between 1979 and 1996, though the study admits some limitations in its data. These attacks were proven to be by pit bulls that were highly under-socialized....
If you disagree, and feel Pit Bull Terriers need to, for the safety of the American community, be portrayed as uncontrollable vicious predators that need to be criminalized, feel free to update the article.
...The American Pit Bull Terrier is a breed that is loyal to friends and family, and is generally friendly towards strangers. People have been known to be afraid of them because of their bad reputations. Nonetheless, an APBT can be a very congenial pet....
...In the United States they have been used as search and rescue dogs that save lives, police dogs performing narcotics and explosives detection, Border Patrol dogs, hearing dogs to provide services to the deaf, as well as general service dogs....
...A study done by the CDC showed that "pit bull type" dogs accounted for the majority of dog related fatalities in the United States between 1979 and 1996, though the study admits some limitations in its data. These attacks were proven to be by pit bulls that were highly under-socialized....
If you disagree, and feel Pit Bull Terriers need to, for the safety of the American community, be portrayed as uncontrollable vicious predators that need to be criminalized, feel free to update the article.
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...and the little dogs looped their razor flexies around his legs and jumped with savage glee...
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114. Not that I'm really taking a side in the 'Pitbulls are inherently deadly Y/N?' debate, U238, but citing a Wiki isn't exactly a strong reference, since the flow of information through those entries is often controlled by someone with a strong interest, and bias, in the subject... thus the information in such entries are slanted to fit the world-view of whoever's in charge of overseeing it, and most people willing to guard an internet Wiki, all the way to Wikipedia, aren't any more or less objective than the average blowhard.
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"then don't bring your whiny annoying kids into restaurants either."
Luckily there are plenty of bars off limits to the under 21 set which serve food.
Luckily there are plenty of bars off limits to the under 21 set which serve food.
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Dan, I love you, but we will never agree on the issue of dogs. Many dogs I know are better people than some people I know. If dogs are to be excluded from public places, then awful people should be excluded as well.
That said, at least back home people seemed to train their dogs and be polite walking them. Up here people don't seem to give two shits what their dogs do out on walks. Dogs are generally good but they're not always that smart, and you need to socialize them or they're rude as fuck. I have to walk all too frequently around people taking up the entire damn sidewalk or even the whole walking trail at Green Lake with a tiny dog on a retractable leash stretched twelve fucking feet out. There's a command for that, people: heel. Use it. Goddamn it.
That said, at least back home people seemed to train their dogs and be polite walking them. Up here people don't seem to give two shits what their dogs do out on walks. Dogs are generally good but they're not always that smart, and you need to socialize them or they're rude as fuck. I have to walk all too frequently around people taking up the entire damn sidewalk or even the whole walking trail at Green Lake with a tiny dog on a retractable leash stretched twelve fucking feet out. There's a command for that, people: heel. Use it. Goddamn it.
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Gomez @118, Wikipedia is no longer the turbulent, apocryphal experiment that it was only five years ago. Indeed, for anything up to (but not including) formal research it serves as a fairly neutral general resource with few errors.
Of course, its reputation precedes it, hence its tendency for well linked footnotes, so one can track the original sources (Or at least find flags to indicate when sources are lacking). It is because of this that I went as far as providing a link to the article itself; one has the option of reading it or checking the sources it used.
I agree with you that some fringe articles on Wikipedia still suffer from extreme bias, though its watchdogs tend to flag them as such, and the caveats are clear. Beyond that, Wikipedia is subject to the same slants that you'd find in other encyclopedias, such as Brittanica or Encarta.
Regarding this case, the site JulietteF referenced have a very clear agenda against allegedly dangerous breeds, and thus we can expect a high-grade slant of any material it contains. I suspect Wikipedia to blow (as it were) more softly than that site, or say, (on the other side of the controversy) a site sponsored by PETA.
I suspect it is possible to create a breed of dog that is too feral to be trained and is big enough to endanger human beings. I don't think that any of the dog breeds commonly called pit bulls qualify. And I don't think we need to wipe out entire breeds due to the abuses of a criminal human minority to improperly socialize these creatures, especially since, when they are properly trained, they can function as high-performance life saving working dogs.
Of course, its reputation precedes it, hence its tendency for well linked footnotes, so one can track the original sources (Or at least find flags to indicate when sources are lacking). It is because of this that I went as far as providing a link to the article itself; one has the option of reading it or checking the sources it used.
I agree with you that some fringe articles on Wikipedia still suffer from extreme bias, though its watchdogs tend to flag them as such, and the caveats are clear. Beyond that, Wikipedia is subject to the same slants that you'd find in other encyclopedias, such as Brittanica or Encarta.
Regarding this case, the site JulietteF referenced have a very clear agenda against allegedly dangerous breeds, and thus we can expect a high-grade slant of any material it contains. I suspect Wikipedia to blow (as it were) more softly than that site, or say, (on the other side of the controversy) a site sponsored by PETA.
I suspect it is possible to create a breed of dog that is too feral to be trained and is big enough to endanger human beings. I don't think that any of the dog breeds commonly called pit bulls qualify. And I don't think we need to wipe out entire breeds due to the abuses of a criminal human minority to improperly socialize these creatures, especially since, when they are properly trained, they can function as high-performance life saving working dogs.
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Really - this is crazy dogs are really pretty good in bars; I need to be a little tipsy to order one as they are awfully high in fat-but with a little mustard some relish - YUM! I can't understand why Mr Savage is opposed to this standby of American fare being served in bars-is this part of Dan's campaign to end obesity? Or is a PETA thing where the vegan's are all upset about the dog's terrible death via hot water, rolling pins of heated steal - or god forbid microwaving?
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Dear Dan,
Thanks for so helpfully furthering the war on service animals that is causing school districts in the United States to illegally deny students with autism the crucial assistance of dogs. Your continued hatred of and need to strip all dignity and comfort from the disabled is noted and appreciated.
You're always GGG in my book!
Love,
Satan
Thanks for so helpfully furthering the war on service animals that is causing school districts in the United States to illegally deny students with autism the crucial assistance of dogs. Your continued hatred of and need to strip all dignity and comfort from the disabled is noted and appreciated.
You're always GGG in my book!
Love,
Satan
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@6 - Way to sound like a sociopath.
I don't mind dogs in bars or restaurants provided they're not obnoxious, but a ban would mean that I wouldn't have to chance running into a pitbull indoors and that would be great. Probably most are just fine, but you never know when you'll happen upon the crazy violent one (I'm referring to both the dog and owner here) so I avoid them all whenever possible. Really, I'm just not up for exposure to others' aggression issues or displays of badassedness.
Child-free restaurants would be great too. There's nothing like the dental drill whine of an irate toddler after you've worked your ass off all day and are trying to wind down with a quiet meal. It would be nice to have some adult-only spaces beyond the porno flavored. People bring their kids everywhere--bars, violent movies. it seems like the latest trend in parenting (parenting is a trend in its own right these days, if magazine covers are any indication) is an inflated sense of entitlement.
I don't mind dogs in bars or restaurants provided they're not obnoxious, but a ban would mean that I wouldn't have to chance running into a pitbull indoors and that would be great. Probably most are just fine, but you never know when you'll happen upon the crazy violent one (I'm referring to both the dog and owner here) so I avoid them all whenever possible. Really, I'm just not up for exposure to others' aggression issues or displays of badassedness.
Child-free restaurants would be great too. There's nothing like the dental drill whine of an irate toddler after you've worked your ass off all day and are trying to wind down with a quiet meal. It would be nice to have some adult-only spaces beyond the porno flavored. People bring their kids everywhere--bars, violent movies. it seems like the latest trend in parenting (parenting is a trend in its own right these days, if magazine covers are any indication) is an inflated sense of entitlement.
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Rather have dogs in my bar than the normal douche bags.
Also, never go to Beveridge Place Pub. It's a great bar filled with great dogs. I'd hate to have you come and ruin it with your poopy attitude.
Also, never go to Beveridge Place Pub. It's a great bar filled with great dogs. I'd hate to have you come and ruin it with your poopy attitude.
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@114 Um, Wikipedia may have a lot going for it--I love it, read it all the time, get movie info from it and such--but it is not exactly a reputable source for information. Try the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) which produces actual data. From what I recall (I looked this up over a year ago) their statistics indicate that pitbulls are responsible for the majority of attacks on humans with Rottweilers second behind them, and then German Shepherds. Correct me if I got that wrong.
You only have to look at a pitbull and ascertain what damage it can do. They're built like small tanks, with big bones and muscles. Some of them have heads like squarish bowling balls and big powerful jaws. And while they're might be plenty of people who simply love dogs and so love pitbulls, you can't deny that there are even more people who seek them out for their ass-kicking reputation. That kind of bullshit is truly tiresome for those of us who just want to go about our business in peace without their bullying presence.
You only have to look at a pitbull and ascertain what damage it can do. They're built like small tanks, with big bones and muscles. Some of them have heads like squarish bowling balls and big powerful jaws. And while they're might be plenty of people who simply love dogs and so love pitbulls, you can't deny that there are even more people who seek them out for their ass-kicking reputation. That kind of bullshit is truly tiresome for those of us who just want to go about our business in peace without their bullying presence.
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The problem with dogs being brought to bars or grocery stores or restaurants or workplaces is the same problem that expensive pet boutiques share: It confounds the animal with the human. Dogs are not deserving of the same moral consideration as humans. @122 demonstrates the point exquisitely. That we behave otherwise is a demonstration of the immoral decadence that we enjoy in this country. The same immoral decadence lets us to subsidize the destruction of working automobiles (cash for clunkers) and ferment edible grains into fuel for transportation, pricing it out of the reach of the poor and hungry on this planet.
But it's ok. I'm a narcissist, too.
But it's ok. I'm a narcissist, too.
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To the cunt "Another Andrew", the very fact that someone equates dogs to people is an indicator of how civilized they are. I'd rather share a bar with dogs than the typical herpes/aids infected Cap Hill resident.
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@128 Actually a 1998 National Geographic study determined that the pit bull's(APBT) jaw is not as strong as a Rottweiler's, Labrador's, or German Shepherd's. Just FYI.
Agree that some a-holes seek APBT's out..which is why we need laws to deal with THAT problem NOT...a problem of a-holes, not dog breeds.
Agree that some a-holes seek APBT's out..which is why we need laws to deal with THAT problem NOT...a problem of a-holes, not dog breeds.
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I have a fucking dog. Out of respect for people with a legitimate need for fucking service animals, i don't take my fucking dog into places where dogs aren't fucking supposed to fucking be.
You should be with Dan, not against him, #124. Every fucking time one of my friends with a service animal gets someone in their fucking face, it's because some asshole tried to bring their fucking dog into a fucking grocery store. Then again, given the over-diagnosis of autism in cases where it's obviously incorrect, i'm betting it's because you can't get legitimate fucking papers.
Seriously. Knock it the fuck off.
You should be with Dan, not against him, #124. Every fucking time one of my friends with a service animal gets someone in their fucking face, it's because some asshole tried to bring their fucking dog into a fucking grocery store. Then again, given the over-diagnosis of autism in cases where it's obviously incorrect, i'm betting it's because you can't get legitimate fucking papers.
Seriously. Knock it the fuck off.
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"It confounds the animal with the human."
No. Allowing animals to accompany their owners acknowledges that human beings own animals. Further, both human beings and animals need exercise, and walking to and from the bar is excellent exercise.
Why buy a dog, just to lock it up at home all the time? If you have no time to spend with an animal, get a cat.
No. Allowing animals to accompany their owners acknowledges that human beings own animals. Further, both human beings and animals need exercise, and walking to and from the bar is excellent exercise.
Why buy a dog, just to lock it up at home all the time? If you have no time to spend with an animal, get a cat.
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@ everybody. You don't hate each other. Hate is a screwed-up thing that people do to each other when their backs are against the wall. What you and I and et cetera are doing regarding Dan and dogs is: Getting on each other' asses like we did in high school. Cause we have nothing better to do, apparently.
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@138: Come on. Do we ever do something because it's the better/best thing to do? Sure, I could sit at home and read Hellboy comics all night after fucking my boyfriend, but I could also go out and cure cancer or read to blind orphans. But I don't really want to.
Besides "getting on each other' asses like we did in high school" sounds like pretty good fun.
Besides "getting on each other' asses like we did in high school" sounds like pretty good fun.
140
Amen sista! I have a small dog- I take it on walks, to the park, to the dog run, on trails, etc. However, it does not need to be with me 24/7. It does not need to go to a restaurant with me. Or to the mall. Or to work. The narcissistic bratty dog owners in this city who insist on bringing their dogs into places where FOOD IS SERVED and other people (who may not, gasp, like dogs! or may be allergice to dogs) have a reasonable expectation of eating a meal sans dogs running all over (PER THE EFFING HEALTH DEPT REGULATIONS) should not have to be put in a position where they have to confront the dog's owner and tell management to do its job by asking the dog to leave. Oh and also, you dog owners who tie up your dogs on the sidewalk for an hour or 2 while you dine? And the dog barks for an hour or two because it's miserable? That's just plain cruel. You need to get some therapy if you are so co-dependent on your dog that you need to take it with you everywhere.
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Of course dogs on the furniture is an issue in Seattle; land of the worlds nicest assholes who flocked here because they need to be tolerated. These passive aggressive morons fail to understand that by “tolerant” we Seattleites meant that we tolerate different lifestyles not bad public hygiene and manners.
The title of the article really should be “Your Dog and Stupid Fucking You…LEAVE!”
The title of the article really should be “Your Dog and Stupid Fucking You…LEAVE!”
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"we tolerate different lifestyles not bad public hygiene and manners."
Would Dan be more tolerant if I brought my dog to the bar because I wanted to have sex with it in a restroom stall?
Would Dan be more tolerant if I brought my dog to the bar because I wanted to have sex with it in a restroom stall?
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@22 I'm sorry .. .but that was funny!
And Dan, I like dog's fine. I like other peoples dogs better because I don't want to own one.
But come on, INSIDE the bar. Especially a crowded bar ... and in the fall, when the dog has been rained on?
A smelly wet dog! While I'm trying to eat, drink, whatever! You can leave your dog at home while you go to the bar, it's ok ... or if you feel it's more important to socialize with your dog than the people at the bar, then stay the fuck at home!
And Dan, I like dog's fine. I like other peoples dogs better because I don't want to own one.
But come on, INSIDE the bar. Especially a crowded bar ... and in the fall, when the dog has been rained on?
A smelly wet dog! While I'm trying to eat, drink, whatever! You can leave your dog at home while you go to the bar, it's ok ... or if you feel it's more important to socialize with your dog than the people at the bar, then stay the fuck at home!
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@141 and everyone else like you: Your dog sucks, and so do you. Go eat at a dog park if you like filthy animals that much.
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I saw Dan at the Pet Shop Boys show last night at the Moore.....he brought his blonde haired dog to that.
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Dogs are allowed in bars? Weird. I've never seen this, but I hate dogs now anyway after an incident I had today with one. They shouldn't even be allowed on the planet. Especially stupid big dogs.
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I agree with Dan. People who have dogs and get upset by his posting, simply 'just dont get it'. They live life without a fucking clue about whoever or whatever is going on around them.
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