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Homo Why Do They Hate Trees?
Posted by Dominic Holden on Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM
This morning, a gray-suited Secretary of State Sam Reed certified that Referendum 71 had enough signatures for the general-election ballot, his office reports. Unless a lawsuit similar to the one shot down earlier today succeeds in blocking the measure, it looks like the state can start the presses:
The Secretary’s action sets in motion the printing of a Voters’ Pamphlet and county ballots that include R-71, unless the courts should intervene. The Voters’ Pamphlet is required to carry every single word of the lengthy legislation; it will run to 37 pages of text.
Every voting household in Washington gets a voters' guide.
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No, Dom; your boycrush Murray does.
Remember- think hard now- it is his bill that will be printed...
Remember- think hard now- it is his bill that will be printed...
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Has his office offered any comment on the rubber stamp issue? Have other petitions used this tactic, which does seem to be against the letter, if not spirit of the rules governing petitions?
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@ 3,
Only that they don't give a shit about the laws when anti-gay referendumbs and initiatives are on the ballot, oh and "die fags."
Only that they don't give a shit about the laws when anti-gay referendumbs and initiatives are on the ballot, oh and "die fags."
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I'm still very interested to see what the Thurston County Court says. If they agree with Spector's ruling today and the findings of fraud, those trees may go to waste.
In the mean time I'm volunteering tonight at the phone bank for Washington Families Standing Together, http://www.approvereferendum71.org It never hurts to talk to people about domestic partnerships and fair treatment under the law.
In the mean time I'm volunteering tonight at the phone bank for Washington Families Standing Together, http://www.approvereferendum71.org It never hurts to talk to people about domestic partnerships and fair treatment under the law.
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We need to hold this referendum back until the Environmental Impact Study is done for the impact of that.
No, seriously.
No, seriously.
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Here's your problem: people don't know which side is which. Even gay rights groups are stupidly comparing R-71 to Prop. 8 in California, which suggests very wrongly that if you're in favor of marriage rights you should vote NO, when in fact you should vote YES (I got a stupidly-worded email and immediate clarification just today from some mailing list I'm on).
So it is safe to assume that a large percentage of our supporters are going to vote against gay rights when they mean to vote for them.
And you're also going to lose the substantial portion of the voters who assume that anything that takes up that much space in the Voter's Pamphlet must be bad news.
I'm very afraid.
So it is safe to assume that a large percentage of our supporters are going to vote against gay rights when they mean to vote for them.
And you're also going to lose the substantial portion of the voters who assume that anything that takes up that much space in the Voter's Pamphlet must be bad news.
I'm very afraid.
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8"So it is safe to assume that a large percentage of our supporters are going to vote against gay rights when they mean to vote for them."
Because, after all, if you're a buttfucker you can't be all that smart to begin with...
Because, after all, if you're a buttfucker you can't be all that smart to begin with...
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@11 for the H1N1 increasing response. Put a biodegradable vegetable based wrapper on that next time. Or the ocean dies.
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How much is that going to cost? If we're going to be stuck with this bullshit initiative and referendum process, could our legislators at least set some guidelines, like no more than x number of pages of the voter pamphlet can be wasted on this shit?
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you girls thought it was hysterical that Murray's bill was so long and such a challenge to fit on the petition for signatures- now you're squealing a different tune.
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fnarf @8: understood about being worried.
But once everyone starts seeing APPROVE r71 signs around Seattle and Cap Hill, and hopefully many APPROVE r71 ads, I think this will put to rest much of the confusion we're seeing and hearing right now.
Also, this is a question... is King County and Seattle the only major areas of 2009 election heat? If that's the case, we're going to have more people voting from Seattle and KC than in other areas of Washington state, given that this is an off-year from the 4-year cycle.
Of course, this will depend on how awful and bombastic and deceptive the REJECT R-71 ads will be. I hope many pro-APPROVE r-71 churches will help spread the word in SnoHo county, east King county, and Pierce county, because if there are strong showings to approve R-71 in those three counties -- ESPECIALLY Snohomish and Pierce counties, there won't be much to worry regarding the expected results east of the Cascades.
But once everyone starts seeing APPROVE r71 signs around Seattle and Cap Hill, and hopefully many APPROVE r71 ads, I think this will put to rest much of the confusion we're seeing and hearing right now.
Also, this is a question... is King County and Seattle the only major areas of 2009 election heat? If that's the case, we're going to have more people voting from Seattle and KC than in other areas of Washington state, given that this is an off-year from the 4-year cycle.
Of course, this will depend on how awful and bombastic and deceptive the REJECT R-71 ads will be. I hope many pro-APPROVE r-71 churches will help spread the word in SnoHo county, east King county, and Pierce county, because if there are strong showings to approve R-71 in those three counties -- ESPECIALLY Snohomish and Pierce counties, there won't be much to worry regarding the expected results east of the Cascades.
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Also, while i understand that psychological barrier where people just don't like to vote for bills that are longer than three paragraphs, I actually see an *advantage* to the bigots having to vote "REJECT"... it's much easier to sell "Yes" and it is to sell "REJECT" when it comes to civil rights. Again, Randall and Stickney will spout the most untruthful bullshit ever seen on Washington state TV, and a strong APPROVE campaign has an advantage being associated with the word "APPROVE"... especially for people younger than 75. (No, I don't have science to back me up here, just going on my psychological intuition here.)
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Every HOUSEHOLD receives them - not just where voters are registered. I get three for my one vote. If I could just vote once per address...
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