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Wednesday, September 2, 2009

Tom Carr Rejects Voters, So Why Should They Vote for Him?

Posted by on Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:40 PM

As Slog tipper Phil notes, City Attorney Tom Carr debated challenger Pete Holmes yesterday on KUOW. The host brought up the topic of Initiative 75, which made marijuana possession by adults the city's lowest law-enforcement priority. Carr and I were both on the panel that oversaw the implementation of the measure—passed by a wide margin by voters in 2003—but Carr insisted that he didn't have to change his practices to comply. But, in fact, Carr did change his practices after the measure passed—by prosecuting a higher percentage of pot cases referred to his office. Pot prosecutions dropped overall despite Carr because police were simply arresting fewer people for pot possession.

The host, Guy Nelson asked:

Tom Carr, apparently the number of arrests have gone down for marijuana possession, but the number of possession cases that are prosecuted have gone up and it's up to you to decide when to prosecute, so is this a priority for you?"

Carr replies:

You're apparently reading from the Stranger. You're talking about relatively small numbers. We do between a hundred and 200 cases a year. Whether we prosecute depends on the report that's in front of us; whether or not it's a case. Most of our marijuana cases are cases that come in when we've got another crime, so someone gets in a bar fight and they have marijuana in their pocket. That's pretty much all we do. So we have a city of 600,000 people, a region that has about two hundred visitors—two hundred—two million visitors on any given day, and we do about 200 marijuana cases? To suggest that we're prioritizing? It's gonna go up and down based on what cases come through the door. But it's not a huge priority, and the idea that we're using a lot of jail beds on marijuana cases is absurd. I mean, I— I would challenge Pete to—to come up with a real number on the average daily population of jail. We don't prosecute low-level drug offenses. We have a couple programs we handle. Marijuana is one of them. Couple hundred cases out of 15,000 a year.

To Carr's first point on what people read in Stranger. We reported that Carr "prosecuted a higher percentage of pot cases referred to his office." This is true. You can see for yourself in this chart published by the Marijuana Policy Review Panel, a board appointed by the city council to with gauge the implementation of I-75:

mprp_report_table_1.jpg

Click for a larger image; the full report is here.

The data, provided by Carr's office, show that he prosecuted 55-67 percent of all the pot possession cases sent to his office before the measure passed. But he prosecuted 69 to 84 percent of those cases after the law went into effect. In his defense, he didn't prosecute a higher number (just a larger percentage).

Second, Carr says, "We don't prosecute low-level drug offenses." Sorry, what? There is no lesser drug offense under state law than marijuana possession. It's the only drug offense (along with possession of paraphernalia) that is a misdemeanor. Everything else—possession or sales of any hard drug—is a felony. So every drug offense that Carr prosecutes is a "low-level drug offense," and he's prosecuted hundreds of them.

Last, Carr argues that marijuana is a small slice of the pie compared to all the cases handled by his office. But it doesn't really matter how small the number of pot cases is compared to every other thing that happens. If we were talking about, say, armed robbery or murder, and the numbers doubled, Carr wouldn't say that it doesn't matter because the number of armed robberies and murders are so small compared to the number of cases overall. Likewise, when voters passed I-75, they were concerned about how the city would handle marijuana cases, and here's what happened: Seattle Police arrested fewer of the pot smokers in their preview while Carr prosecuted more of the cases in his.

Holmes seems to get where the voters are coming from:

I think one of the problems we face, the reason we're faced with a new jail is that we've been prosecuting low-level drug offenses, and, uh, in fact I believe that we should decriminalize marijuana. There was a bill that was introduced into the legislature, uh, in the past session that failed. Mr. Carr has been opposed to this in the past. I think this is one of the clear differences between us.

 

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Will in Seattle 1
200 arrests for MJ?

Why aren't there 200 arrests for Driving While Cellphone?

Obviously needs to pay attention to what we the voters SAID.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 2, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Fnarf 2
Reading this kind of language makes my brain hurt, but doesn't that chart show that Carr is correct when he says that he's not prosecuting pot-only charges as much? That an increasing percentage of pot-related charges are for "pot plus", i.e., "pot and a bar fight"? That's what I see in column D, that it's gone from 55% to 24% for pot-only.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong; I'm a little groggy. But if that's the case, then I'm not that outraged. I'm not a fan of marijuana prosecutions, but I AM a fan of prosecuting lowlife scum offenses like bar fights.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on September 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Jenny from the Block 3
I agree with @2. Look at column D.
Posted by Jenny from the Block on September 2, 2009 at 1:53 PM
4
What Fnarf said.
Posted by pox on September 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Dominic Holden 5
@ 2 and 3) Indeed, a lower rate of pot-only cases were filed after the measure passed--it worked--but that appears to be a result of police referring a drastically lower rate of pot-only cases. But overall, Carr went after pot cases at a higher rate than he had before.
Posted by Dominic Holden on September 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM
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Dear Editor:

"in their preview", or do you mean "in their purview" ?

[ Speaking of which:

Within your purview? Where do you think you are, some Regency costume drama? Allow me to pop a jaunty bonnet on your purview and ram it up your shitter with a lubricated horse cock!]
Posted by in_the_loop on September 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Collin 7
@5 - From Column D, it looks like pot-only cases prosecuted dropped 5-10%. Is it your assertion that is not a big enough drop?

Or are you saying that they shouldn't be tacking pot charges on to other crimes they're trying to prosecute?
Posted by Collin on September 2, 2009 at 2:07 PM
8
"You're apparently reading from the Stranger, Nelson"

Now that's a low blow...
Posted by TP on September 2, 2009 at 2:08 PM
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6
Instead of correcting the spelling and grammar in the wacko emails he gets what would happen if Dan actually edited The Stranger and Slog?
Posted by Crazy Talk on September 2, 2009 at 2:10 PM
10
admit it, Dom-
you're fucked up stoned this afternoon, aren't you...
Posted by groovy, man on September 2, 2009 at 2:11 PM
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What I find to be more interesting about the full report is the way that this law affected different races.

Amongst males:
In 2002, 62% of filed cases were against white people and 32% were against black people.

In 2006, it had switched to 43% against white people and 56% against black people.

Without more info regarding how many of these were "marijuana only," it's hard to draw conclusions from that, though.
Posted by doceb on September 2, 2009 at 2:12 PM
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math is hard...
Posted by Barbee on September 2, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Fnarf 13
@5, maybe you're right. But Maybe they're just seeing an increase in civil disorder and using pot as another hook to hang the losers with. That's what pot charges have always been typically used for.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on September 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Will in Seattle 14
Obviously we need to crack down on Pot plus Starbucks offenses.

I mean, chocolate plus MJ obviously poses a societal risk, even if it's much much lower than using your cellphone while driving.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM
15
Uh...he says that 2 million people visit Seattle every day?

The resident population of the entire Puget Sound is about 1.8 million.

Paranoia...one of the confirmed side effects of Mary Jane.
Posted by Steven Weed on September 2, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Simply Me 16
I think it is high time we have an initiative to fully legalize marijuana. What do you say Dominic? Can you head this one up?
Posted by Simply Me on September 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM
17
Looks to me like marijuana only charges are up (by 5) and total filings are up by 15%
Posted by bikechick on September 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM
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I don't think you can fully brush off Fnarf's point (it pains me to say that). I'm not a Carr supporter, but it's clear that the percentage of pot-only cases has gone down. From the prosecutor's stand point, It makes sense that they'd file the pot charges on DUI or assault cases. If you have more counts, there's more room for negotiation. And just because they tack on a pot charge doesn't mean the defendant actually pleads guilty to that charge. What might be interesting is to see if any of the pot-only cases result in jail time (above the 1 mandatory day).
Posted by Gidge on September 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Will in Seattle 19
@16 ftw.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Will in Seattle 20
The problem is that we don't know, @18. But I'd expect to see an increase in arrests for littering or graffiti if it were truly the lowest priority.

One question arises: is it truly the City Attorney, or is it that the cops are ignoring the law and focus on pot instead, because they can smell it? Could be the cops are the problem.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM
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If you look at the numbers, there is approx 1 pot-only case/week that police refer in to Carr's office (some of which aren't filed). If cops were "focusing" on the marijuana because they can smell it, you'd see MUCH higher numbers.

I don't fully understand why you'd expect to see an increase in grafitti arrests (nothing says it's supposed to stay proportional to other crimes), but littering generally isn't a crime (unless you're littering something like a fridge).
Posted by Gidge on September 2, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Will in Seattle 22
@21 - yes, littering is a crime. Especially when done from a moving vehicle. Check your driver's pamphlet.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM
josh 23
Because the number of filings are going down (yay! laws work!), it shouldn't be surprising that the percentage of prosecutions are increasing, particularly if the post-law filings represent more serious, more prosecutable offenses.
Posted by josh http://www.sciencevsromance.net on September 2, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Lee 24
@23: It's the same offense in all cases: misdemeanor possession of marijuana.

But, like Fnarf said, a higher and higher percentage of these charges are being filed alongside other charges, meaning that not only the total number but the overall percentage of possession-only charges are going down. I'm not a Carr fan, but this seems like a pretty weak hit piece.
Posted by Lee on September 2, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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What are those other crimes that lead police to searching someone and finding marijuana in his pocket? All bar fights? That's the only example I've ever heard Tom Carr give. Really -- in what other cases do the police just happen across marijuana on someone?

And when they find it, given that the additional charge will come with additional cost of investigation and prosecution, and given that we have a finite amount of resources and plenty of other things to which to allocate them, why does that marijuana even go in the report? Oh, because they can't ignore it? Do you suppose that if a cop caught a purse snatcher, he'd bother to report that the guy jaywalked in the process? So why not ignore the pot in a similar manner since we've made it abundantly clear that nothing is less worthy of our police's time?

The answer, I think, is that we haven't faithfully deprioritized investigating and punishing adults for personal possession of marijuana. Now it's mostly used as leverage for prosecution of other charges.
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on September 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM
26
No really, Dominic, what is your relationship, both dollars and time spent, with the Pete Holmes campaign, and does The Stranger report your in-kind contribution?
Posted by Yo. on September 2, 2009 at 8:56 PM
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@26: Yo Yo, if you think Dominic's interest in and reporting on Tom Carr's general disregard for the law when it comes to marijuana prosecution deprioritization began sometime after Holmes' campaign began (or for that matter, after he began working for The Stranger, you'd be well off to do some research before making further insinuations of the sort you did here.

I volunteered for the I-75 campaign, attended more of the Marijuana Policy Review Panel meetings than most of the panel members did, watched Carr tell the panel that he would not and could not abide by SMC 12A.20.060, read the inaccurate statistics he distributed (that Dominic later exposed as such), heard him on the radio yesterday making more dubious claims, transcribed the interview, and passed it on to The Stranger. Do you think I should report my efforts as an in-kind contribution to the Holmes campaign?
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on September 2, 2009 at 10:44 PM
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@22--It's not really an important issues, but littering isn't a crime. It's an infraction.

@25--They probably would mention the jaywalking (or at least describe the facts in a way that one could deduce that someone's jaywalking), but the prosecutor generally doesn't ADD an infraction to a criminal case. Even if officers don't want someone to be prosecuted for marijuana, if they find pot on someone they're arresting for another charge, they really do need to include it in the report. It's generally frowned upon for cops to write incomplete reports, and when they do, they get grilled in court. In that situation, it's not the cop that chooses to bring charges--it's the city attorney's office.

And on your other question, any crime that results in someone being arrested (even if they're released at the scene) could involve finding marijuana on someone. Vandalism, assault, DUI, trespassing, shoplifting....

I wish we'd just legalize it. Until we do, we'll wind up in this weird position where it's still illegal, but not a priority.
Posted by Gidge on September 2, 2009 at 11:09 PM
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Hey Dominic, you managed to write a whole article without calling your topic an idiot! I'm proud of you for being such an adult. It's possible to convince people without resorting to ad hominem,
Posted by that's all I wanted to say on September 3, 2009 at 2:06 AM
30
Quick math:

125 total cases, * 25 percent involving marijuana ONLY.

Sounds like we're blogging about an issue that only affects about 30 PEOPLE.

As for the others: If you're getting in trouble while you're carting around your stash, you're dumb.
Posted by Hmmm on September 3, 2009 at 6:15 AM

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