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Crime Fatal Shooting In South Seattle
Posted by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Police shut down Rainier Avenue early this morning after a fatal shooting near Franklin High School.
Just after 3:00 this morning, police received reports of a disturbance and gunfire at Rainier Avenue South and South Byron street.
Police and medics arrived at the scene and a found a 31-year-old man lying in an alley. He was taken to Harborview where he died early this morning.
Witnesses told police they saw the gunman—described as a black male, 5'10, 180 pounds, wearing a white shirt and dark pants-—flee the scene in a vehicle heading northbound on Rainier Avenue.
Police do not believe the shooting was random. This is the 16th homicide in Seattle this year.
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There were still cops and crime tape there at 8 this morning. I really hope this stuff calms down by the time the kids go back to school--all these recent shootings seem to be within a couple of blocks of south-end high schools.
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16?! I thought it was close to a hundred a year when I moved here in the early 90's. That's quite the decrease.
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@4, To be completely inappropriate in a comment thread discussing a fatal shooting, it may be because the kids these days are just terrible shots. We sure seem to have a lot of non-fatal shootings.
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Not to mention a goddamn helicopter circling the scene for THREE HOURS! I appreciate the po-po putting in the effort to try to catch this scumbag, but after being woken for a second time in two weeks by a clip being unloaded near my house, it would have been nice to have some peace to be able to get back to sleep.
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I can't believe I slept through that! I'm going to have to try the 2 beers + 2 benedryl after workout cocktail again.
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violent crime is way down. it really is. ive lived in the mlk orcas neighborhood for a loooooooong time now and have watched crime and gangs go waayyy down. this is not the early 90's despite what the cops and the media say. there is no "gang war" in seattle streets, there is no code of silence crap like in baltimore or back east. they catch the shooters within days. 16 is a weekend in philly, nashville, b-more, dc and im not even talking big cities like miami or chicago.
yes one murder is one too many, but there is no murder free city in the world. you can not stop this nonsense completely unless u get rid of guns, and invest in early childhood education, job programs, drop out prevention, etc, even then 20 to 25 (seattle average) murders a year is really, really low for a city this size. but according to the stranger seattle is becoming like chicago ( about 400 murders last year)
yes one murder is one too many, but there is no murder free city in the world. you can not stop this nonsense completely unless u get rid of guns, and invest in early childhood education, job programs, drop out prevention, etc, even then 20 to 25 (seattle average) murders a year is really, really low for a city this size. but according to the stranger seattle is becoming like chicago ( about 400 murders last year)
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Hey Jonah
Can we get you to create a post that graphically (on a Google map for example), shows just where all these shootings (successfuly and unsuccessful) are occurring? Can you also have it color coded (no pun intended) with a legend that illustrates the race of the shooter and victim(s)?
Thanks!
RC
Can we get you to create a post that graphically (on a Google map for example), shows just where all these shootings (successfuly and unsuccessful) are occurring? Can you also have it color coded (no pun intended) with a legend that illustrates the race of the shooter and victim(s)?
Thanks!
RC
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Then again... I have changed my mind.. the pun is fully intended!
Let's see it Jonah! Let's figure out a way to statistically analyze this situation that exists !
(btw)... @8 you are a dumbass. Guns don't magically jump up off the ground and fire at people. It takes a person with a certain motivation, and a certain lack of restraint, and a certain "culture" to use weapons to intentionally assault another human being. With your logic, we should ban all cars because once in awhile a bicyclist who is illegally breaking the law gets hit and injured/killed due to their incompetence.
Ohh... and can you tell me...you know.. for giggles sake... when is the last time you heard of a gang related shooting happening in Bellevue? How about Mercer Island (you know.. about a mile or two away) How many gang related murders has Bellevue had this year? Mercer Island? Issaquah? North Bend?
Do you think that has any possible correlation to the racial and socioeconomic makeup of the population of said city?
Or do you all just like to fantasize all day in your own little worlds?
Hmmm?
Let's see it Jonah! Let's figure out a way to statistically analyze this situation that exists !
(btw)... @8 you are a dumbass. Guns don't magically jump up off the ground and fire at people. It takes a person with a certain motivation, and a certain lack of restraint, and a certain "culture" to use weapons to intentionally assault another human being. With your logic, we should ban all cars because once in awhile a bicyclist who is illegally breaking the law gets hit and injured/killed due to their incompetence.
Ohh... and can you tell me...you know.. for giggles sake... when is the last time you heard of a gang related shooting happening in Bellevue? How about Mercer Island (you know.. about a mile or two away) How many gang related murders has Bellevue had this year? Mercer Island? Issaquah? North Bend?
Do you think that has any possible correlation to the racial and socioeconomic makeup of the population of said city?
Or do you all just like to fantasize all day in your own little worlds?
Hmmm?
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#8 is right, Seattle has a low homicide rate compared to other AMERICAN cities. There are many, many cities in the world where homicides do not happen. #11 is right too - it is a certain "culture" that uses weapons to intentionally assault other human beings... AMERICAN CULTURE. Have you ever read a history book? This nation was founded on blood. And we continue to kill every day, within our own borders and outside. And "Reality Check" if you really want to break it down by race... I encourage you to do so. There is definitely one particular racial group that is responsible for the vast majority of murder, rape, theft and lies... like I said, just look at the history up until now, and TODAY included...
Gang related shootings don't happen in Bellevue and Issaquah because there isn't the same rate of POVERTY, MARGINALIZATION, INSTITUTIONALIZED OPPRESSION and SELF HATE. For example, they have functional schools in the Eastside where children can learn and adults watch out for them ... and that is just one example.
Gang related shootings don't happen in Bellevue and Issaquah because there isn't the same rate of POVERTY, MARGINALIZATION, INSTITUTIONALIZED OPPRESSION and SELF HATE. For example, they have functional schools in the Eastside where children can learn and adults watch out for them ... and that is just one example.
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the rigors of the public school year should tamp this enthusiasm for gun violence down somewhat. unless a fool start snitchin'.
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I"d assume by your logic that it would be wise to ban spoons too... as it was that evil spoon that made Rosie O'Donnell fat right?
Or maybe we should just all go view this shirt
http://i27.tinypic.com/ei01dx.jpg
I don't compromise. Free men don't ask permission to bear arms.
Period.
Or maybe we should just all go view this shirt
http://i27.tinypic.com/ei01dx.jpg
I don't compromise. Free men don't ask permission to bear arms.
Period.
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"I don't compromise. Free men don't ask permission to bear arms.
Period. "
Why don't you show us all your superior marksmanship by shooting yourself?
Period. "
Why don't you show us all your superior marksmanship by shooting yourself?
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Hmm... let's see. White people never shoot at anyone. Except for that one white kid in Ballard who shot the convenience clerk. Or maybe he was hiding his secret blackness under his snowboarding gear. Oh, and that dude who just passed through on his way to kill himself after murdering and mutilating his wife.
Oh, and my dad. Who missed the other person, but managed to shoot himself good and dead (may he rest in peace). Guess where that happend?
Motherfucking Issaquah.
So, no. Whities don't get involved with a whole lot of gang violence (they don't have the historic economic and social oppression factors that other races in America deal with), but they sure do murder people--sometimes with guns.
Oh, and my dad. Who missed the other person, but managed to shoot himself good and dead (may he rest in peace). Guess where that happend?
Motherfucking Issaquah.
So, no. Whities don't get involved with a whole lot of gang violence (they don't have the historic economic and social oppression factors that other races in America deal with), but they sure do murder people--sometimes with guns.
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@12 That is the very problem. Which culture is now the American norm. AND which norm are we talking about? You see the American norm I grew up with in the AMERICAN Great plains in the center of the UNITED STATES. Our culture grew up respecting others. And *shock* we HAD guns! All over the place! Strangely enough, you NEVER heard of kids under 21 EVER using them in the commission of an assault! WOW! Imagine that!
Now we have the media glorifying the black gangsta thug lifestyle, complete with glorifying gun violence, pushing drug culture, and objectifying hoes and bitches, while listening to gangsta' rap and hip-hop. I don't ever recall hearing the rockstars or hairbands of my generation advocating any of the above.
Yeah... American culture. I've got news for you dumbass. THAT American culture that you point out is NOT the American culture I grew up with.
In fact, I can go back home for hunting season here next month, drive into a small town full of caucasian Americans (you know German RussianAmericans, Norweigans, Poles, Scandanavians, etc etc.), and I can drive to a cafe at noon, and fully expect to see shotguns on the front seat, the car windows down, and occasionally the keys are still in the ignition too. And do you think anyone steals the guns? Steals the cars? Grabs a gun to shoot the first passerby they see? Nope. I wonder why? Do they have respect for their fellow human being? Respect for other's private property? Decent morals? Hmm.... I see a pattern developing...
You see Simpleton. My American culture, has to do with small(er) towns where folks know most everyone. Those small(er) more cohesive communities tend to not be "Urban", and therefore not conducive towards appealing to certain communities who bring their "culture" of glorifying certain media cultures with them.
So please ... feel free to break down "culture" by race too yourself. Make sure when you look at the statistics we can see what influences different "cultures", and whether those stimuli positively or negatively affect a given community.
Don't try muddying the issue by looking at other things. This thread is taking a look at one specific locale (King county), during NOW, and not historically across the nation/world, over a period of generations. Let's take a moment to consider here and now, the sources/causes/demographics of those doing the violent assaults.
Let's get honest and real, and not blame the invisible boogeyman or as you term it to justify it "POVERTY, MARGINALIZATION, INSTITUTIONALIZED OPPRESSION and SELF HATE."
Because you know what? Until such time as different races pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start taking ownership of their own communities, and STOP blaming society/the evil white man/name your excuse here, then until that time, we will continue simply using hard statistics that can't be denied.
You yourself in our last sentence said it all... Until they start having the ADULTS in their communities be ACCOUNTABLE, this will never change.
Ad nauseum.
More...
Now we have the media glorifying the black gangsta thug lifestyle, complete with glorifying gun violence, pushing drug culture, and objectifying hoes and bitches, while listening to gangsta' rap and hip-hop. I don't ever recall hearing the rockstars or hairbands of my generation advocating any of the above.
Yeah... American culture. I've got news for you dumbass. THAT American culture that you point out is NOT the American culture I grew up with.
In fact, I can go back home for hunting season here next month, drive into a small town full of caucasian Americans (you know German RussianAmericans, Norweigans, Poles, Scandanavians, etc etc.), and I can drive to a cafe at noon, and fully expect to see shotguns on the front seat, the car windows down, and occasionally the keys are still in the ignition too. And do you think anyone steals the guns? Steals the cars? Grabs a gun to shoot the first passerby they see? Nope. I wonder why? Do they have respect for their fellow human being? Respect for other's private property? Decent morals? Hmm.... I see a pattern developing...
You see Simpleton. My American culture, has to do with small(er) towns where folks know most everyone. Those small(er) more cohesive communities tend to not be "Urban", and therefore not conducive towards appealing to certain communities who bring their "culture" of glorifying certain media cultures with them.
So please ... feel free to break down "culture" by race too yourself. Make sure when you look at the statistics we can see what influences different "cultures", and whether those stimuli positively or negatively affect a given community.
Don't try muddying the issue by looking at other things. This thread is taking a look at one specific locale (King county), during NOW, and not historically across the nation/world, over a period of generations. Let's take a moment to consider here and now, the sources/causes/demographics of those doing the violent assaults.
Let's get honest and real, and not blame the invisible boogeyman or as you term it to justify it "POVERTY, MARGINALIZATION, INSTITUTIONALIZED OPPRESSION and SELF HATE."
Because you know what? Until such time as different races pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start taking ownership of their own communities, and STOP blaming society/the evil white man/name your excuse here, then until that time, we will continue simply using hard statistics that can't be denied.
You yourself in our last sentence said it all... Until they start having the ADULTS in their communities be ACCOUNTABLE, this will never change.
Ad nauseum.
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any word on the ruckus outside of Chop Suey last night?
3 Ambulances, 5 cop cars and everyone was out front.
3 Ambulances, 5 cop cars and everyone was out front.
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#17, thank you for proving my point. "Now we have the media glorifying the black gangsta thug lifestyle, complete with glorifying gun violence, pushing drug culture, and objectifying hoes and bitches..." Who controls the media? Who are the record companies that controls the music industry and pays people to promote these messages? All in the same cultural group that you speak so highly of. Hip Hop originally never spoke of these things. But when it became exploited by the industry (who controls that again?) this is the result. You just proved my entire point beautifully. PEACE.
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@16 Those are examples of statistical outliers. They are rare and therefore shocking (hence making them newsworthy for our sensationalized press)
But the kid in Ballard? Guess what? He was a wigger. You do know what a wigger is right? Wanna guess who he idolized? Who his peers were? What type of culture and music he idolized? Need I continue further? (See my post @ 17)
Point. Set. Match.
btw.. sweetie.. my condolensces to you and your family. Curious.. what is your ethnicity? Anyone who calls them "whities" makes one go hmmm.... What inferences might I draw about your culture, upbringing, home life .. hmmmm
and tell me lily... at what point does caucasian Americans get to say enough? When do we as a race get African Americans to understand we are "even"?
But I digress.. here is a quote that I think is quite profound:
" I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."
-- Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1776
For the *Big Picture* answer ... I agree with Ben Franklin. In the 233 years since he said that, little has changed when it comes to the wisdom and premise of the comment.
One could easily argue the Slaves themselves paid the reparation in that with their sacrifice ... their posterity were blessed with life today in the greatest Nation and governmental system on earth.
Much better place to make a life than the west coast of Africa as I see it.
One needs not look far to see that an ambitious able person has little need to fail in America today ... regardless of their racial history.
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But the kid in Ballard? Guess what? He was a wigger. You do know what a wigger is right? Wanna guess who he idolized? Who his peers were? What type of culture and music he idolized? Need I continue further? (See my post @ 17)
Point. Set. Match.
btw.. sweetie.. my condolensces to you and your family. Curious.. what is your ethnicity? Anyone who calls them "whities" makes one go hmmm.... What inferences might I draw about your culture, upbringing, home life .. hmmmm
and tell me lily... at what point does caucasian Americans get to say enough? When do we as a race get African Americans to understand we are "even"?
But I digress.. here is a quote that I think is quite profound:
" I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."
-- Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1776
For the *Big Picture* answer ... I agree with Ben Franklin. In the 233 years since he said that, little has changed when it comes to the wisdom and premise of the comment.
One could easily argue the Slaves themselves paid the reparation in that with their sacrifice ... their posterity were blessed with life today in the greatest Nation and governmental system on earth.
Much better place to make a life than the west coast of Africa as I see it.
One needs not look far to see that an ambitious able person has little need to fail in America today ... regardless of their racial history.
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@19 but you are missing a fundamental key point.
Why is it that only a subset of kids who watch said media, go on to act out what they see? How is it possible that another 20 million kids growing up on middle America suburbia never commit assaults with guns, or join gangs? Hmmm? What common denominator do they all have that is missing with the group that does those things?
Go read my post again for clues dumbass. *hint: It might be in that last paragraph
One group takes responsibility for raising their children. One group doesn't, and depends on the state and/or schools to do it for them.
Even if the media is one of the root causes, (we agree), then tell me.. why doesn't the black community and it's "so called" leadership of pastors, and community leaders take a stand against the industry? They surely have the clout and it would be a news reporters dream to create some controversy. Why not? How has this been allowed to perpetuate for so long? Doesn't the black community want to end this senseless cycle of violence? What am I missing then? Please do tell...
Why is it that only a subset of kids who watch said media, go on to act out what they see? How is it possible that another 20 million kids growing up on middle America suburbia never commit assaults with guns, or join gangs? Hmmm? What common denominator do they all have that is missing with the group that does those things?
Go read my post again for clues dumbass. *hint: It might be in that last paragraph
One group takes responsibility for raising their children. One group doesn't, and depends on the state and/or schools to do it for them.
Even if the media is one of the root causes, (we agree), then tell me.. why doesn't the black community and it's "so called" leadership of pastors, and community leaders take a stand against the industry? They surely have the clout and it would be a news reporters dream to create some controversy. Why not? How has this been allowed to perpetuate for so long? Doesn't the black community want to end this senseless cycle of violence? What am I missing then? Please do tell...
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Christ, we're talking about Seattle, which is a city of a half-million people within the limits, which has had 16 homicides this year. Some would call that statistically insignificant, because it is so low. Rural and small towns have varied crime rates, and are often just as bad or worse (from a crime/population standpoint) as cities do. Your idealized Norman Rockwell vision simply does not really exist.
Also, I'm glow-in-the-dark white--a mostly Scandinavian blend. They don't come any whiter than my own upper-middle class family. That's why I mentioned the bit about my dad (he had a mental disorder exacerbated by drugs obtained from his [white] doctor, just in case you were wondering) in Issaquah, which, by the way, did not make the Slog or even the Issaquah paper--why is that? Probably best for my family that it didn't.
But that does make me wonder why there is so much coverage over the rare gang shootings, and such ZOMG the black people are so scary!!1! reactions from the community, and not a single word about what happened in my family.
And your "we did slaves a favor by bringing them here and marginalizing them for centuries" schtick is delusional, to say the least. I have nothing to say to that, other than perhaps you should move to some enclave where none of the scary brown people will get you, or take any of your precious resources.
Also, I'm glow-in-the-dark white--a mostly Scandinavian blend. They don't come any whiter than my own upper-middle class family. That's why I mentioned the bit about my dad (he had a mental disorder exacerbated by drugs obtained from his [white] doctor, just in case you were wondering) in Issaquah, which, by the way, did not make the Slog or even the Issaquah paper--why is that? Probably best for my family that it didn't.
But that does make me wonder why there is so much coverage over the rare gang shootings, and such ZOMG the black people are so scary!!1! reactions from the community, and not a single word about what happened in my family.
And your "we did slaves a favor by bringing them here and marginalizing them for centuries" schtick is delusional, to say the least. I have nothing to say to that, other than perhaps you should move to some enclave where none of the scary brown people will get you, or take any of your precious resources.
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@22 because Lily... it is precisely their rarity, their over the top use of weapons to commit the assaults, and because of their use of weapons, the propensity is there to cause injury/death/disruption to normal law abiding citizens.
Gangs, by their very nature and culture, do tremendous damage to a community's sense of safety. They are urban terrorists, and their daily behaviour(s) do immense harm.
In regards to your last paragraph... we may have not done the original slaves any favors, but their subsequent descendants have surely benefited. If they feel they are getting a raw deal, I'm sure they would be more than welcome to emigrate back to their homeland(s). However I think we both know we won't see any mass exodus right? Our social welfare system and massive infrastructure advantages all the "poor" amongst us to still live a life that is FAR more wealthy than what they would have in sub-Saharan Africa. And poor does not mean you don't have more than 1 Hummer or Cadillac or a 42" plasma screen, while renting a government subsidized apartment.
Don't worry though sweetie... there is indeed many locations across the country that are Norman Rockwell visions of happiness. Thankfully they will remain that way, as they don't offer the degree of social welfare nets that huge urban areas do, so the unwashed masses will likely remain where the meals/rent/healthcare/transportation are cheapest (or free), and thus those urban areas will continue to remain mired in gangs and thug life.
Meanwhile the rest of us who want to live a Norman Rockwell life will continue doing so in peace and happiness, replete with our scary guns, respectful children, and low crime.
Peace.
Gangs, by their very nature and culture, do tremendous damage to a community's sense of safety. They are urban terrorists, and their daily behaviour(s) do immense harm.
In regards to your last paragraph... we may have not done the original slaves any favors, but their subsequent descendants have surely benefited. If they feel they are getting a raw deal, I'm sure they would be more than welcome to emigrate back to their homeland(s). However I think we both know we won't see any mass exodus right? Our social welfare system and massive infrastructure advantages all the "poor" amongst us to still live a life that is FAR more wealthy than what they would have in sub-Saharan Africa. And poor does not mean you don't have more than 1 Hummer or Cadillac or a 42" plasma screen, while renting a government subsidized apartment.
Don't worry though sweetie... there is indeed many locations across the country that are Norman Rockwell visions of happiness. Thankfully they will remain that way, as they don't offer the degree of social welfare nets that huge urban areas do, so the unwashed masses will likely remain where the meals/rent/healthcare/transportation are cheapest (or free), and thus those urban areas will continue to remain mired in gangs and thug life.
Meanwhile the rest of us who want to live a Norman Rockwell life will continue doing so in peace and happiness, replete with our scary guns, respectful children, and low crime.
Peace.
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My point was- for those who miss the subtleties of the English language- quite a simple one. That is, that in a city this size you will always have crime. There will always be a hot head who shoots somebody. There is no gang war to speak of. There is no code of silence in this neighborhood. That, is pure crap. And EVEN if you ban guns, and add more prevention programs (which we should) it will not stop a crime rate of about 25 murders in a city this size. Gang suppression tactics are a waste of resources and money, and they do not work, and they have not prevented jack in cities that have huge gang related homicides. LA, Chicago, and others have huge gang units and they haven’t prevented jack. Upstream tactics is what works, and the media also needs to look at what the real stats are showing us in terms of crime.
Gun advocacy poseurs who roam blogs in search of those that they think don’t agree with them can takea break from, well gun advocacy posturing, and rest assured that I, in no way, I’m saying that banning guns will stop crime. Let us stop the silly, idiotic game of fighting on blogs.
With that said,
This particular shooting happen near the crackhead car wash right there on the MLK and Rainier triangle. Again, no big surprise there. Most likely, drug deal gone bad, crackies fighting with each other, you did this blah, blah, No big conspiracy or gangs taking over a car wash,. Anything could have happened. its not a gang war and it has nothing to do with Franklyn high school. I suppose Franklyn High School was brought up because of the proximity. But at times is brought up is if it has anything to do with the shooting at that shady car wash.
By the way, crackies hang around the car wash and wash your car for a good price and do an ok job too. Im sure that in the wastelands of west Virginia some oxycontin crazed hillbilly shot somebody over a similar dispute at some Meth head car wash in Arkansas or West Virginia. The silly arguments of location and requests for mapping out shootings are nothing more than right wingers thinly veiled attempts to say, look, its those people.
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Gun advocacy poseurs who roam blogs in search of those that they think don’t agree with them can takea break from, well gun advocacy posturing, and rest assured that I, in no way, I’m saying that banning guns will stop crime. Let us stop the silly, idiotic game of fighting on blogs.
With that said,
This particular shooting happen near the crackhead car wash right there on the MLK and Rainier triangle. Again, no big surprise there. Most likely, drug deal gone bad, crackies fighting with each other, you did this blah, blah, No big conspiracy or gangs taking over a car wash,. Anything could have happened. its not a gang war and it has nothing to do with Franklyn high school. I suppose Franklyn High School was brought up because of the proximity. But at times is brought up is if it has anything to do with the shooting at that shady car wash.
By the way, crackies hang around the car wash and wash your car for a good price and do an ok job too. Im sure that in the wastelands of west Virginia some oxycontin crazed hillbilly shot somebody over a similar dispute at some Meth head car wash in Arkansas or West Virginia. The silly arguments of location and requests for mapping out shootings are nothing more than right wingers thinly veiled attempts to say, look, its those people.
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we know who reality check would be in this painting... http://afrocityblog.files.wordpress.com/…
..one of the unseen persons the marshals are protecting the little girl from.
..one of the unseen persons the marshals are protecting the little girl from.
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@25 poor poor pissy... you know your name fits you so well...
You need me to be that boogeyman in order to justify your assumptions. You know nothing about me, and my previous posts have nothing to do with your inference. I never ever advocated that, and resent the fact that you come into this discussion late, and instead of providing a substantive reply, come in and provide some worthless link to an image that has nothing to do with any of the points raised.
But it does point out one irony. Maybe if the adult African American population actually did take enough of an interest in their children's educations, enough so that they actually did walk them to school every day... maybe then we'd see a holistic fundamental shift in the cultural attitudes amongst themselves.
Are there examples of honest, hard working, ethical black families? Absolutely! Do they make up the majority of their particular race? You tell me? For the record, I have several co-workers who are very good friends who are black.
They wholeheartedly agree with these comments.
You need me to be that boogeyman in order to justify your assumptions. You know nothing about me, and my previous posts have nothing to do with your inference. I never ever advocated that, and resent the fact that you come into this discussion late, and instead of providing a substantive reply, come in and provide some worthless link to an image that has nothing to do with any of the points raised.
But it does point out one irony. Maybe if the adult African American population actually did take enough of an interest in their children's educations, enough so that they actually did walk them to school every day... maybe then we'd see a holistic fundamental shift in the cultural attitudes amongst themselves.
Are there examples of honest, hard working, ethical black families? Absolutely! Do they make up the majority of their particular race? You tell me? For the record, I have several co-workers who are very good friends who are black.
They wholeheartedly agree with these comments.
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"some worthless link to an image that has nothing to do with any of the points raised."
you know it's a Norman Rockwell right? that point was raised.
you attempts mask your true intent and hostility are threadbare.
"For the record, I have several co-workers who are very good friends who are black.
They wholeheartedly agree with these comments."
I mean seriously, you really went there? You really are pre- 1964.
you know it's a Norman Rockwell right? that point was raised.
you attempts mask your true intent and hostility are threadbare.
"For the record, I have several co-workers who are very good friends who are black.
They wholeheartedly agree with these comments."
I mean seriously, you really went there? You really are pre- 1964.
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@27 lol I knew that would draw you out! thanks
Yes Pissy I knew it was a Rockwell. I understood the point and what you were trying to infer, and it was weak sauce per your usual.
"My attempts to mask my true intent and hostility" lmfao
You really do believe your own hype don't you? Go crawl back under your whole dear... you are way out of your league, hence the lack of substance in your posts which are par for the course...
lol
Yes Pissy I knew it was a Rockwell. I understood the point and what you were trying to infer, and it was weak sauce per your usual.
"My attempts to mask my true intent and hostility" lmfao
You really do believe your own hype don't you? Go crawl back under your whole dear... you are way out of your league, hence the lack of substance in your posts which are par for the course...
lol
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reality check is proof that as Glenn Beck loses it and becomes even less stable, so go his minions.
it's not really sad though, obscurity fits their outmoded ideas just fine.
it's not really sad though, obscurity fits their outmoded ideas just fine.
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I live accross the street, I call the police all the time because of all the loud parties going on at the house accross from me all night long, but The police never show up to do anything about it. And now someone is dead in the alley right next to the party house. U think maybe they might finally get the hint?
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Have some facts.
http://tinyurl.com/no5knk
From the article "List of 2008 homicides in Seattle" from the Seattle PI
selected from the list of the 28 Seattle homicides in 2008....
Allen Joplin, Jan. 4 -- black killed by black
De'Che Morrison, Jan. 10 -- black killed by black
Maurice "Moe" Allen Jr., Jan. 26 -- black killed by black
Degene Barecha, Jan. 30 -- black killed by black
Perry Henderson, Feb. 6 -- black killed by black
Stephan Dwaine Stewart, April 2 -- black killed by black
Eldora Earlycutt, July 4 -- black killed by black
James Paroline, July 10 -- white killed by black
Troy Peters, July 22 -- black killed by black
Pierre Lapoint, Aug. 5 -- black killed by black
Jane Kariuki, Oct. 16 -- woman of unknown race killed by black man named Christel D. Murphy
Quincy S. Coleman, Oct. 31 -- black killed by black
Edward McMichael, the "Tuba Man", Nov. 3 -- white killed by multiple blacks
Nathaniel Lee Thomas, Nov. 23 -- black killed by black
So by my count blacks (8% of Seattle) were the killers in at least half (that's at least 50%) of the murders in the Seattle area in 2008. At least five of the other murderers were latinos.
The numbers are actually worse for 2009 and do approach the 85% mark. Up to June there have been at least 5 murders in Seattle and in at least three of them the murder was black.
Just look at all the attention that Slog has given those two white lesbians who were raped and stabbed (one killed) by that black guy that your loony white-guilt courts let go!!!
Actually the only reason you even paid any attention to it was because they were lesbians, even going so far as shrieking about how it was an anti-gay hate crime, totally ignoring the more obvious possibility that if it was any kind of hate crime at all, it was a black-on-white hate crime.
More...
http://tinyurl.com/no5knk
From the article "List of 2008 homicides in Seattle" from the Seattle PI
selected from the list of the 28 Seattle homicides in 2008....
Allen Joplin, Jan. 4 -- black killed by black
De'Che Morrison, Jan. 10 -- black killed by black
Maurice "Moe" Allen Jr., Jan. 26 -- black killed by black
Degene Barecha, Jan. 30 -- black killed by black
Perry Henderson, Feb. 6 -- black killed by black
Stephan Dwaine Stewart, April 2 -- black killed by black
Eldora Earlycutt, July 4 -- black killed by black
James Paroline, July 10 -- white killed by black
Troy Peters, July 22 -- black killed by black
Pierre Lapoint, Aug. 5 -- black killed by black
Jane Kariuki, Oct. 16 -- woman of unknown race killed by black man named Christel D. Murphy
Quincy S. Coleman, Oct. 31 -- black killed by black
Edward McMichael, the "Tuba Man", Nov. 3 -- white killed by multiple blacks
Nathaniel Lee Thomas, Nov. 23 -- black killed by black
So by my count blacks (8% of Seattle) were the killers in at least half (that's at least 50%) of the murders in the Seattle area in 2008. At least five of the other murderers were latinos.
The numbers are actually worse for 2009 and do approach the 85% mark. Up to June there have been at least 5 murders in Seattle and in at least three of them the murder was black.
Just look at all the attention that Slog has given those two white lesbians who were raped and stabbed (one killed) by that black guy that your loony white-guilt courts let go!!!
Actually the only reason you even paid any attention to it was because they were lesbians, even going so far as shrieking about how it was an anti-gay hate crime, totally ignoring the more obvious possibility that if it was any kind of hate crime at all, it was a black-on-white hate crime.
33
"Seattle has a low homicide rate compared to other AMERICAN city"
Well it's also one of the whitest cities in America, but 8% of our 'community' sure does like to help push those numbers up. All I ask is that they keep it south of the Ship Canal, north of 85th, out of the Great White North.
"Who controls the media?"
Chris Rock can answer that for you:
http://tinyurl.com/8fg5v5
Up here in Wallingford we have a terrible 'gang' problem...gangs of housewives hanging out in the parks, selling cup cake recipes to each other, taking about how many CORPORATE lawyers you have to marry in Wallingford before you become a "baby mamas". And the kids? Geez, go hang out at Dicks on 45th and check out those wigga's all dissin' each others varsity teams and college prep classes.
Well it's also one of the whitest cities in America, but 8% of our 'community' sure does like to help push those numbers up. All I ask is that they keep it south of the Ship Canal, north of 85th, out of the Great White North.
"Who controls the media?"
Chris Rock can answer that for you:
http://tinyurl.com/8fg5v5
Up here in Wallingford we have a terrible 'gang' problem...gangs of housewives hanging out in the parks, selling cup cake recipes to each other, taking about how many CORPORATE lawyers you have to marry in Wallingford before you become a "baby mamas". And the kids? Geez, go hang out at Dicks on 45th and check out those wigga's all dissin' each others varsity teams and college prep classes.
34
While ignoring yet another comment-litany of gun wank in this thread, I think the fact that it's reasonably big news whenever someone is murdered in this town speaks volumes about the fatal crime rate in Seattle. But that said, one murder is one murder too many if there's something you can do to prevent future murders. And of course, we still have a fairly big theft and robbery problem.
As for those worrying, your kids may well be safe from murders near schools, given basically all these killings happen in the wee hours of the morning and/or on the weekends. Pretty much every thug in this town is fast asleep by the time your kid hops the bus to school.
As for those worrying, your kids may well be safe from murders near schools, given basically all these killings happen in the wee hours of the morning and/or on the weekends. Pretty much every thug in this town is fast asleep by the time your kid hops the bus to school.
35
"whenever someone is murdered in this town speaks volumes about the fatal crime rate in Seattle."
Exactly....keep your town majority whitey white (or just 'acting white') - sitting around working on their gardens, sipping lattes, reading the NYT, driving Subarus and listening to Prairie Home Companion instead of The Cube - and all you'll have to worry about is whether your kids will get in a ketchup fight at Dicks on 45th Ave.
Exactly....keep your town majority whitey white (or just 'acting white') - sitting around working on their gardens, sipping lattes, reading the NYT, driving Subarus and listening to Prairie Home Companion instead of The Cube - and all you'll have to worry about is whether your kids will get in a ketchup fight at Dicks on 45th Ave.
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