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Homo Re: How They Lie
Posted by Dominic Holden on Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM
The bigots trying to repeal the domestic-partnership bill—which has zilch to do with kids, curriculum, or graphic depictions of sex—aren't just lying in Port Angeles. Slog tipper Jennifer writes, "Just took this photo outside the Key Arena (fountain side) where the petition signers are mingling in the crowd headed into the Women of Faith conference."
She adds, "Haven't overheard any particular tactics to get folks to sign it, but plenty of people are politely declining."
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Was the guy with the sign Dan Savage?
He advocates teaching our children:
"mutual masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, outercourse, sex toys, erotic role-play, GAY SEX—there are lots of "foolproof" ways for teenagers (and adults) to be sexual, to be fully intimate, without risking an unplanned pregnancy."
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
He advocates teaching our children:
"mutual masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, outercourse, sex toys, erotic role-play, GAY SEX—there are lots of "foolproof" ways for teenagers (and adults) to be sexual, to be fully intimate, without risking an unplanned pregnancy."
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
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@1- teenagers should know about all those things. They do them anyone. Of course, that has nothing to do with Ref. 71, which has nothing to do with anything on that sign.
It also appears the sign was written by an eight year old.
It also appears the sign was written by an eight year old.
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No, Dan wants to teach our children gay sex in a way completely different for the way the man's sign states.
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Oh, the fatheads are debating what amounts to Dan rebutting Jailbristol's argument that there's nothing you can do aside from abstinence to prevent pregnancy.
In the article he goes on to explain that if a teen is sexually active, they need to know about birth control and that they shouldn't put it in a pussy but should do it in other ways.
There's no nuance that advocates gay sex, you dimwits, he just told the stupid little hellspawn that keeping her gash shut is only a start and that other people have sex without popping out little inbred rat-babies, so why can't she. The only nuance is that he knows why she can't-- she's got a terrible mother. But he didn't say it out loud, so shhhhhh!
In the article he goes on to explain that if a teen is sexually active, they need to know about birth control and that they shouldn't put it in a pussy but should do it in other ways.
There's no nuance that advocates gay sex, you dimwits, he just told the stupid little hellspawn that keeping her gash shut is only a start and that other people have sex without popping out little inbred rat-babies, so why can't she. The only nuance is that he knows why she can't-- she's got a terrible mother. But he didn't say it out loud, so shhhhhh!
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Won't somebody PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!!!
Period, you're a shrill, shrieking fear monger. Children should be taught about sex at appropriate ages. And if children identify as gay, they should have the ability to learn what's relevant to them. As I understand it, sex-ed is generally allowed to be opted out of, so keep your children home and sheltered. I'm sure with enough lack of information they'll have kids of their own soon enough -- and the circle can go on.
Period, you're a shrill, shrieking fear monger. Children should be taught about sex at appropriate ages. And if children identify as gay, they should have the ability to learn what's relevant to them. As I understand it, sex-ed is generally allowed to be opted out of, so keep your children home and sheltered. I'm sure with enough lack of information they'll have kids of their own soon enough -- and the circle can go on.
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Oh my God.
Would you people listen to each other?
You're having a philosophical argument about the Word of Dan.
Quick, somebody quote Scripture (with hyperlink to the Blog of Dan).
You're like a bunch of fucking cultists!
I reject the teachings of your Dan.
I don't even believe he exists.
Would you people listen to each other?
You're having a philosophical argument about the Word of Dan.
Quick, somebody quote Scripture (with hyperlink to the Blog of Dan).
You're like a bunch of fucking cultists!
I reject the teachings of your Dan.
I don't even believe he exists.
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Actually, I doubt that Dan wants to teach "our children" anything. Unless they seek out his sex advice column.
But if you need this to mean that you win the internet, I'll gladly allow you your meaningful victory. Everyone, the troll won -- we can all turn off our computers now.
But if you need this to mean that you win the internet, I'll gladly allow you your meaningful victory. Everyone, the troll won -- we can all turn off our computers now.
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@10
Gee, Crack;
I just quoted and linked Dan.
If you find it shrill and shrieking and frightening you should take it up with him.
Gee, Crack;
I just quoted and linked Dan.
If you find it shrill and shrieking and frightening you should take it up with him.
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No, menses, I mean you're shrill and shrieking because your response to a post about people lying about a petition to put a referendum on the ballot to deny equal rights to same sex couples is "OMG THE GAY MAN WANTS TO CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN!!1!"
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@16
I responded to the sign's claim that children will be taught Gay sex by noting that Dan has advocated teaching children GAY SEX. It seems pretty calm and rational. You are the one dragging corruption into it.
I responded to the sign's claim that children will be taught Gay sex by noting that Dan has advocated teaching children GAY SEX. It seems pretty calm and rational. You are the one dragging corruption into it.
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@17: The claim is a lie. Your entire construct is based on a lie. This appears to be the only way you and others who would deny equal rights to gays can actually attempt to achieve anything. Lie and fear monger. No honor. No truth. Just try to trick people and make them afraid. Last desperate acts of sad, angry people.
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@20
Focus.
No one said anything about equal rights to gays.
What is a lie?
That Dan advocates teaching children GAY SEX?
Did you even read the linked post?
Focus.
No one said anything about equal rights to gays.
What is a lie?
That Dan advocates teaching children GAY SEX?
Did you even read the linked post?
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Why are they allowed to lie? Can we pass a voter initiative to keep people from lying to get signatures on future voter initiatives?
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@21: Well, it's obvious you didn't read it.
It's also pretty reasonable to assume you're stupid.
C'mon, don't be so Bailo.
It's also pretty reasonable to assume you're stupid.
C'mon, don't be so Bailo.
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@21: exactly -- your comments have had nothing to do with the subject of the post. And you're right I should focus. I've wasted enough time on your pointless comments. If you have a problem with Dan Savage suggesting that teenagers (many of whom are sexually active to some extent) be given an education that might keep them from becoming infected or pregnant, you are, yourself, the problem. I'll put your handle to good use -- period.
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@25
You raise a good point;
"Dan Savage suggesting that teenagers (many of whom are sexually active to some extent) be given an education that might keep them from becoming infected"
While Dan is advocating teaching our children: "oral sex, anal sex, GAY SEX— "foolproof" ways for teenagers to be sexual, without risking an unplanned pregnancy" is he also going to tell them that engaging in those activities will give them STDs?
Is he going to mention that Gay Men, 25 years into AIDS and after all the education and effort, still account for 53% of new AIDS cases in America;
that Gay Men can't manage "oral sex, anal sex, GAY SEX—" without giving each other AIDS.
Is Dan going to mention that to our children?
You raise a good point;
"Dan Savage suggesting that teenagers (many of whom are sexually active to some extent) be given an education that might keep them from becoming infected"
While Dan is advocating teaching our children: "oral sex, anal sex, GAY SEX— "foolproof" ways for teenagers to be sexual, without risking an unplanned pregnancy" is he also going to tell them that engaging in those activities will give them STDs?
Is he going to mention that Gay Men, 25 years into AIDS and after all the education and effort, still account for 53% of new AIDS cases in America;
that Gay Men can't manage "oral sex, anal sex, GAY SEX—" without giving each other AIDS.
Is Dan going to mention that to our children?
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@27: Oh, you are stupid. You're conflating his rebuttal to Palin's "only abstinence prevents pregnancy" remarks with his genderless remarks at the end of his article, neither of which advocates outright education. In fact, the first remark isn't advocating anything, it's calling Palin an idiot for implying all sex leads to pregnancy. The second, of course, doesn't say anything about gay people.
Instead of telling teenagers to say no to sex—which will work about as well as telling them to say no to drugs—we should be telling teenagers that, yes, they can wait.
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@28
"we should be telling teenagers that, yes, they can wait."
Dan advocating abstinence education?
"we should be telling teenagers that, yes, they can wait."
Dan advocating abstinence education?
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@29: You're an idiot. Read harder.
Instead of saying no, you tell them that the choice they so eagerly exercise against the better wishes of their parents does include saying they'd rather hold off on any behavior that would get them pregnant.
"I can't do that, I'm a little better than the Palins, I hope."
Realism. You'd be surprised how that can work.
Instead of saying no, you tell them that the choice they so eagerly exercise against the better wishes of their parents does include saying they'd rather hold off on any behavior that would get them pregnant.
"I can't do that, I'm a little better than the Palins, I hope."
Realism. You'd be surprised how that can work.
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Baconcat,
Read this please: http://lineout.thestranger.com/blogs/slo…
This isn't the first time this has come up. If you wish to continue.
Then, take this all into consideration.
www.openeducation.net/.../abstinence-onl… -
http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publicati…
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.htm…
stats.org/stories/contrac_v_abst_dec12_0…
Sexual Behaviors that Contribute to Unintended Pregnancy and STDs, Including HIV Infection, according to the CDC
Ever had sexual intercourse
45.9 (43.1—48.6) females
49.8 (46.7—52.9) males
●
Had sexual intercourse for the first time before age 13 years
4.0 (3.5—4.5) females
10.1 (8.6—12.0) males
●
Had sexual intercourse with four or more persons during their life
11.8 (10.5—13.1) females
17.9 (16.0—20.0) males
●
Currently sexually active (Had sexual intercourse with at least one person during the 3 months before the survey.)
35.6 (33.2—38.1) females
34.3 (32.0—36.7) males
●
Did not use a condom during last sexual intercourse (Among students who were currently sexually active.)
45.1 (41.9—48.2) females
31.5 (28.6—34.6) males
●
Drank alcohol or used drugs before last sexual intercourse (Among students who were currently sexually active.)
17.7 (15.1—20.7) females
27.5 (24.6—30.6) males
●
Never taught in school about AIDS or HIV infection
9.8 (8.3—11.5) females
11.3 (10.1—12.6) males
●
Never tested for HIV (Does not include tests conducted when donating blood.)
85.2 (83.2—87.0) females
88.9 (87.6—90.1) males
http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyYouth/yrbs/pdf…
Being a parent, I'm all for abstinence and I made darn sure that it was part of my eldest's comprehensive sex education. Dan was kind enough to help me over the phone with it. Very age appropriate and graphic less. He was all for abstinence, considering the age of my eldest and encouraged it.
More...
Read this please: http://lineout.thestranger.com/blogs/slo…
This isn't the first time this has come up. If you wish to continue.
Then, take this all into consideration.
www.openeducation.net/.../abstinence-onl… -
http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publicati…
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.htm…
stats.org/stories/contrac_v_abst_dec12_0…
Sexual Behaviors that Contribute to Unintended Pregnancy and STDs, Including HIV Infection, according to the CDC
Ever had sexual intercourse
45.9 (43.1—48.6) females
49.8 (46.7—52.9) males
●
Had sexual intercourse for the first time before age 13 years
4.0 (3.5—4.5) females
10.1 (8.6—12.0) males
●
Had sexual intercourse with four or more persons during their life
11.8 (10.5—13.1) females
17.9 (16.0—20.0) males
●
Currently sexually active (Had sexual intercourse with at least one person during the 3 months before the survey.)
35.6 (33.2—38.1) females
34.3 (32.0—36.7) males
●
Did not use a condom during last sexual intercourse (Among students who were currently sexually active.)
45.1 (41.9—48.2) females
31.5 (28.6—34.6) males
●
Drank alcohol or used drugs before last sexual intercourse (Among students who were currently sexually active.)
17.7 (15.1—20.7) females
27.5 (24.6—30.6) males
●
Never taught in school about AIDS or HIV infection
9.8 (8.3—11.5) females
11.3 (10.1—12.6) males
●
Never tested for HIV (Does not include tests conducted when donating blood.)
85.2 (83.2—87.0) females
88.9 (87.6—90.1) males
http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyYouth/yrbs/pdf…
Being a parent, I'm all for abstinence and I made darn sure that it was part of my eldest's comprehensive sex education. Dan was kind enough to help me over the phone with it. Very age appropriate and graphic less. He was all for abstinence, considering the age of my eldest and encouraged it.
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@32: In your case? Yes, yes it is.
In fact, if you ever need to pay for an abortion, I'd gladly send you a pre-written check to Planned Parenthood. As to the other part of your either/or proposition, I'll give you a pack of broken rubbers and drop you off at a truckstop in Texas.
In fact, if you ever need to pay for an abortion, I'd gladly send you a pre-written check to Planned Parenthood. As to the other part of your either/or proposition, I'll give you a pack of broken rubbers and drop you off at a truckstop in Texas.
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"K-12 will be Forced to Learn graphic Gay Sex materials and destructive gay lifestyle as the norm!!"
Forced how? Are we talking Clockwork Orange-style aversion therapy devices that pry kids' eyelids open and stuff? That's awful! Poor K-12!
Forced how? Are we talking Clockwork Orange-style aversion therapy devices that pry kids' eyelids open and stuff? That's awful! Poor K-12!
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"Was the guy with the sign Dan Savage?
He advocates teaching our children:
"mutual masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, outercourse, sex toys, erotic role-play, GAY SEX—there are lots of "foolproof" ways for teenagers (and adults) to be sexual, to be fully intimate, without risking an unplanned pregnancy.""
Who the fuck cares, conservatroll? Go not fuck yourself at a purity ball and have issues with your sexuality for the rest of your life.
He advocates teaching our children:
"mutual masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, outercourse, sex toys, erotic role-play, GAY SEX—there are lots of "foolproof" ways for teenagers (and adults) to be sexual, to be fully intimate, without risking an unplanned pregnancy.""
Who the fuck cares, conservatroll? Go not fuck yourself at a purity ball and have issues with your sexuality for the rest of your life.
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1) The author of that sign was apparently, er, "differently abled" in some way, or possibly a small child. If a small child, one wonders what sort of things that child's parents have been teaching him or her, you know? Does whoever wrote that sign, whatever their age, actually have the mental capacity to understand what "graphic gay sex materials" actually are? I wonder.
2) Teaching kids about safe sex practices is a far cry from showing them "graphic gay sex."
3) R71 has nothing to do with education, children, or sex.
4) For further comment on issues relating "traditional" marriage to children, education, and sex, I suggest Dan's "Every child deserves a mother and a father" posts right here on Slog. You know what? Fuck marriage. I don't even know why homos want it, honestly. I mean, I'm all for them having it given that they want it, mind you, I just don't know if it's worth all the fuss.
2) Teaching kids about safe sex practices is a far cry from showing them "graphic gay sex."
3) R71 has nothing to do with education, children, or sex.
4) For further comment on issues relating "traditional" marriage to children, education, and sex, I suggest Dan's "Every child deserves a mother and a father" posts right here on Slog. You know what? Fuck marriage. I don't even know why homos want it, honestly. I mean, I'm all for them having it given that they want it, mind you, I just don't know if it's worth all the fuss.
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What do Dan Savage's attitudes about ANYTHING have to do with R-71?
If R-71 fails to gain enough signatures to make the ballot, no law will put Dan Savage in charge of anything or adopt any policies because he favors them.
In other words, R-71 isn't about Dan Savage. The sign isn't about Dan Savage.
In other other words, pull your head out of your ass. Or keep it in there. Either way.
If R-71 fails to gain enough signatures to make the ballot, no law will put Dan Savage in charge of anything or adopt any policies because he favors them.
In other words, R-71 isn't about Dan Savage. The sign isn't about Dan Savage.
In other other words, pull your head out of your ass. Or keep it in there. Either way.
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@12 - I can't really agree with that, actually. As far as I know, Dan isn't a K-12 teacher, and will probably not play a hands on role in teaching kids about GAY SEX.
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@37
No one said those things were 'shameful'.
Or 'corrupting', @16.
The sign raised questions about what children are or will be taught; Dan has also commented on that.
It is important that children receive accurate information in a timely manner.
Why does Slog think what Dan advocates is shameful and corrupting?
No one said those things were 'shameful'.
Or 'corrupting', @16.
The sign raised questions about what children are or will be taught; Dan has also commented on that.
It is important that children receive accurate information in a timely manner.
Why does Slog think what Dan advocates is shameful and corrupting?
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Sign Man says that gay sex and the gay lifestyle will be presented to children as 'normal'.
Is that not what Dan and Homosexual Advocates also want?
Did Sign Man get that part right?
Is that not what Dan and Homosexual Advocates also want?
Did Sign Man get that part right?
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In the post linked @1 Savage advocates: "oral sex, anal sex, GAY SEX—" as "foolproof ways for teenagers to be sexual ... without risking an unplanned pregnancy".
If children are unable to use condoms to prevent pregnancy when having vaginal sex how are they going to prevent transmission of STDs when having oral sex, anal sex and 'gay' sex?
Savage's advice paints a false picture of the risks associated with the behavior he advocates and children who act on his advice face a very high chance of contracting AIDS and other STDs.
It is important that children receive ACCURATE sex education information.
Savage has given just the opposite.
If children are unable to use condoms to prevent pregnancy when having vaginal sex how are they going to prevent transmission of STDs when having oral sex, anal sex and 'gay' sex?
Savage's advice paints a false picture of the risks associated with the behavior he advocates and children who act on his advice face a very high chance of contracting AIDS and other STDs.
It is important that children receive ACCURATE sex education information.
Savage has given just the opposite.
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In the post linked @1 Savage advocates oral sex, anal sex and 'gay' sex as birth control alternatives for children.
However, according to the CDC, gay men (MEN, not school children) are responsible for 53% of new AIDS cases in America.
If mature gay men; who have been exposed to intensive 'safe sex' education for at least 25 years since AIDS arrived; are unable to manage oral sex, anal sex and 'gay' sex without giving themselves AIDS at 50 times the rate in the general population how does Savage expect school children to safely practice them?
As a 'sex expert' and leading voice in the Gay Community perhaps Savage should address 'safe sex' practices within that community before advocating that America's children join gay men in practicing what are evidently unsafe and deadly behaviors.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
However, according to the CDC, gay men (MEN, not school children) are responsible for 53% of new AIDS cases in America.
If mature gay men; who have been exposed to intensive 'safe sex' education for at least 25 years since AIDS arrived; are unable to manage oral sex, anal sex and 'gay' sex without giving themselves AIDS at 50 times the rate in the general population how does Savage expect school children to safely practice them?
As a 'sex expert' and leading voice in the Gay Community perhaps Savage should address 'safe sex' practices within that community before advocating that America's children join gay men in practicing what are evidently unsafe and deadly behaviors.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
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@42-45: Do you really think you need this many replies to prove how stupid you are?
You could have left it alone after @1, you know.
You could have left it alone after @1, you know.
47
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." If the fundies are right about their hell, then perhaps they'll be the one's burning in it. Leaving us libertines to enjoy the rapture in peace. :)
49
@48: There's nothing to respond to. The "points" raised are all bogus. Dan suggests that there are alternatives to abstinence which will not cause pregnancy. It's a fatuous argument to say that he is not condoning safe sex, because the argument in that post is about teen pregnancy, not STD prevention.
His post was not a curriculum of some theoretical Dan Savage sex-ed class. To try to extrapolate his post out into what he would "teach" or not teach children -- should he ever be in that unlikely position (unless you count a child reading his sex advice column) -- is asinine and more reflective of the extrapolator's mindset than anything in Dan's head.
And I think period's statement that Dan is "advocating that America's children join gay men in practicing what are evidently unsafe and deadly behaviors" is hilarious. It's an attempt to conflate children and gay men through sex -- won't someone think of the children!!! -- again, trying to use fear of the "other" to make people think that there's a gay boogieman out there trying to steal our children.
It smells of desperation and it is laughable to those with a mind wider than a sliver.
His post was not a curriculum of some theoretical Dan Savage sex-ed class. To try to extrapolate his post out into what he would "teach" or not teach children -- should he ever be in that unlikely position (unless you count a child reading his sex advice column) -- is asinine and more reflective of the extrapolator's mindset than anything in Dan's head.
And I think period's statement that Dan is "advocating that America's children join gay men in practicing what are evidently unsafe and deadly behaviors" is hilarious. It's an attempt to conflate children and gay men through sex -- won't someone think of the children!!! -- again, trying to use fear of the "other" to make people think that there's a gay boogieman out there trying to steal our children.
It smells of desperation and it is laughable to those with a mind wider than a sliver.
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"Dan suggests that there are alternatives to abstinence which will not cause pregnancy. It's a fatuous argument to say that he is not condoning safe sex, because the argument in that post is about teen pregnancy, not STD prevention."
oops-
did I mention that those "FOOLPROOF" ways to avoid pregnancy can give you AIDS?
sorry!
must've slipped my mind...
"Dan suggests that there are alternatives to abstinence which will not cause pregnancy. It's a fatuous argument to say that he is not condoning safe sex, because the argument in that post is about teen pregnancy, not STD prevention."
oops-
did I mention that those "FOOLPROOF" ways to avoid pregnancy can give you AIDS?
sorry!
must've slipped my mind...
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@49
We must not have read the same post linked @1...
Bristol Palin: "Regardless of what I did personally, I just think that abstinence is the only ... 100 percent foolproof way to prevent pregnancy".
(now, just what is in Dan's mind? Let's ask Dan...)
Dan Savage: "Right off the top of my head, Bristol: mutual masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, outercourse, sex toys your partner can insert into you, sex toys you can insert your partner into, erotic role-play that doesn't culminate in vaginal intercourse, GAY SEX—there are lots of "foolproof" ways for teenagers to be sexual without risking an unplanned pregnancy."
It's a pretty comprehensive list; and now that you mention it it sounds exactly like the curriculum of some theoretical Dan Savage sex-ed class.
And Dan is clearly advocating oral sex, anal sex, GAY SEX— are these not the behaviors gay men engage in when they create 53% of all new AIDS cases in the country?
Come on in!
The water's fine!!
We must not have read the same post linked @1...
Bristol Palin: "Regardless of what I did personally, I just think that abstinence is the only ... 100 percent foolproof way to prevent pregnancy".
(now, just what is in Dan's mind? Let's ask Dan...)
Dan Savage: "Right off the top of my head, Bristol: mutual masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, outercourse, sex toys your partner can insert into you, sex toys you can insert your partner into, erotic role-play that doesn't culminate in vaginal intercourse, GAY SEX—there are lots of "foolproof" ways for teenagers to be sexual without risking an unplanned pregnancy."
It's a pretty comprehensive list; and now that you mention it it sounds exactly like the curriculum of some theoretical Dan Savage sex-ed class.
And Dan is clearly advocating oral sex, anal sex, GAY SEX— are these not the behaviors gay men engage in when they create 53% of all new AIDS cases in the country?
Come on in!
The water's fine!!
52
Moral of the story- conservatives will lie to try and get signatures for their hate-o-riffic bill, and they will also try and deflect discussion of this fact by saying "Yeah, well, Dan wants to give your children AIDS!"
53
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you girls need to discipline your minds to hold two thoughts at once:
1- we have enough signatures and all your whining is just sour grapes;
and
2- Dan does advocate criminally irresponsible behavior that will give your children AIDS
you girls need to discipline your minds to hold two thoughts at once:
1- we have enough signatures and all your whining is just sour grapes;
and
2- Dan does advocate criminally irresponsible behavior that will give your children AIDS
55
I think Facts of Life @53 is really an abortion doctor who's afraid that real sex ed may hurt his business.
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There are millions of us out here who have somehow gotten through the American cesspool of misinformation, sometimes called "sex education," with our lives intact. Parenthood is still conducted largely by amateurs with little more information that they could easily have had 3,000 years ago. The Palin family comes to mind. Jails are full to overflowing with the victims and givers of advice, many still pretending to know the truth from a hole in the ground. You're all on notice. You're on your own.
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I would just like to say that as a 19-year-old gay male who sat through sex-ed classes from about grades 8 until 11 where they taught us about vaginal intercourse, i could tell you everything there is to know about vaginal sex. Will I ever need to know about it? Not likely. I'd rather have sex with another man. I would feel much more comfortable in bed with another man if I had been educated in high school about the different kinds of sex that are possible. And just because you learn something in school, doesn't mean you're going to do it....I don't plan on nuking japan when i'm older cause i learned about it in school or dissecting frogs cause that was the best part of biology....
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I've seen a great amount of video and photo material proving that a lot of people who needed money so badly were ready to go against personal beliefs and convictions and signed the referendum 71. I suppose they will sign for money anything that would increase and continue bigotry in that so called "liberal" state. Paid signatures totally misleads citizens about the goals of this referendum. Unfair!
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