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City Light Rail!
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:09 AM
The suspense is figuratively killing me: where will the first person literally be killed? Light rail trains all over the country strike and kill pedestrians at pretty...
Kyle Wankmiller and Connor Peterson, both 17 and from Lutherville, were killed Sunday afternoon as they walked north on the southbound tracks near the Lutherville station. The northbound tracks in the area had been closed at that time due to debris on the tracks. Officials said they believe the boys didn't know trains would be coming from the other direction. They were struck from behind at about 3:15 p.m.
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A man walked onto the tracks at the North Linthicum light rail station, seemingly oblivious to the oncoming 106,000-pound train. Hit by the train, the man's legs were pinned for 30 minutes until county firefighters were able to lift the train using air-filled bags. At the time, state Mass Transit Administration officials refused to discuss how the accident happened, saying only that the man hadn't crossed the railroad tracks at a marked pedestrian crossing.
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A bicyclist's lower left leg was amputated when he was struck by a River Line light rail train near the township's downtown train station Monday.
The most obvious place for our first light-rail-related fatality, of course, is the section of our new light-rail line that runs at grade—which just so happens to be the section that goes through Rainier Valley, one of the poorest areas of the city. (I'm sure it was just a big coincidence!) I'm tempted to start a betting pool. And not that I'm bitter or anything, but... elevated trains don't get stuck in traffic or run over pedestrians or hit cars and cyclists. Just sayin'.
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You and the citizens for a safer Rainier Valley or whatever they call themselves. At the rate people jaywalk across Rainier Ave S (kids, adults, adults carrying / dragging babies and toddlers), somebody will likely be tragically dispatched a la train in 3, 2, 1....
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Alright! A fun game for all of Slog to play!
I'll put $5 on the kid being whacked by a southbound train and $5 on Terry getting smushed by a northbound train while trying to save the kid. It'd be all so political and great social commentary that they got hit by a train when cars run at-grade all over the city at pretty high rates of speed and without any flashing lights or loud bells or horns.
Oh, and $15 on the story being used by some rightwingers as a reason to deny gays the right to adopt or something.
I'll put $5 on the kid being whacked by a southbound train and $5 on Terry getting smushed by a northbound train while trying to save the kid. It'd be all so political and great social commentary that they got hit by a train when cars run at-grade all over the city at pretty high rates of speed and without any flashing lights or loud bells or horns.
Oh, and $15 on the story being used by some rightwingers as a reason to deny gays the right to adopt or something.
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But the monorail had cost overruns! And it would've lowered the property value of all those now-virtually-empty office buildings on 2nd Avenue! And it was socialism! Plus, the Simpsons!
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Light rail trains are still TRAINS. No, a crossing guard doesn't come down when the pass, but they ring those bells and have flashing lights on the front; plus, they have a much higher profile than most of the cars and trucks on the road. In short, they're hard to miss when they're coming. Pay attention and yield to them, and you won't be run over. If you do get hit by one, it's probably your own damn fault.
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Fortunately, East Link planning calls for light rail to run at grade in Bellevue too. By 2020 we'll be picking off the unwary without regard to demographics or tax brackets.
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Go check the demographics of Bellevue.
Cars kill people therefore it's okay to add trains that will kill people. The logic can't be challenged.
Cars kill people therefore it's okay to add trains that will kill people. The logic can't be challenged.
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@5 I agree. Hard to blame a train for human stupidity. Pay attention when you cross the road, kids!
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lets put some cattle catchers on the front of them to push the stupid off to the side so as not to delay the train... it would be horrible to make a bunch of people late just because someone is retarded enough to walk in front of a fucking train
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Regardless of your socioeconomic class, race, or whatever other bullshit is used to make excuses for large swaths of the US, you a moron if you get hit by a train…
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You'd be surprised by how many people die on SkyTrain tracks here in Vancouver. Granted, many of those deaths are of the self-inflicted variety but it doesn't change the fact that people will be dumb enough to walk down railroad tracks without paying any attention to their surroundings. If there's one thing I've learned in all my years, it's that dumb people will always find new and interesting ways to get themselves maimed or killed.
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Hey you all are missing the best part of this, which is the guys name: "Kyle Wankmiller."
Love it!
Love it!
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I hate the light rail already. It just serves to make me more and more bitter about what might have been. And when (not if) the first person dies after being hit by it, I'm going to stand in front of City Hall with a sign that says:
You know what would be AWESOME?
A fucking Monorail.
I know, I know, it's not very catchy, but I'm working on it.
You know what would be AWESOME?
A fucking Monorail.
I know, I know, it's not very catchy, but I'm working on it.
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@1 People jaywalking across Rainier Ave S. have a pretty slim chance of being hit by a train since the light rail runs down MLK. Have you ever actually been south of Dearborn?
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What professional journalist would want to work in the news department of a publication whose editor writes stuff like this?
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@ 16, IIRC light rail passed in 96, while the first monorail vote wasn't til 97. Your bitterness would make more sense if monorail came first.
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Now that Seattle is a "real city" with this tarted up and wonderful "new" version of 1870's technology, it will almost certainly join the long list of cities where rail transit, light and heavy, has been an aid for those wanting to commit suicide and a great way for negligent public authorities to kill off surplus population. In the last month we have had a massive accident with fatalities on DC's Metro heavy rail and a big one in San Francisco, though there public negligence did not kill anybody.
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You think that's fucked up? Look to the far east:
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/06/world/…
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/06/world/…
Train companies [in Japan] charge the families of suicide victims for damages caused by the suicides. JR East is just one of several train and subway companies operating in the Tokyo area, but it is widely rumored that JR East became the most popular line for suicides because it charged the bereaved families the least.
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I don't think anyone's ever been killed by the one we have, though I'm pretty sure someone's had to have their leg amputated. I don't think anyone blamed the train, because well, if you cycle on train tracks, you're an idiot.
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@16: Please explain how a monorail system would be better than a grade-separated busway. Please also discuss the relative cost-effectiveness and ridership numbers.
Oh wait. You don't have fuck-all, do you? You just have a child's dream about a big, futuristic monorail in the sky. CHILDREN'S TOYS ARE NOT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS.
Oh wait. You don't have fuck-all, do you? You just have a child's dream about a big, futuristic monorail in the sky. CHILDREN'S TOYS ARE NOT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS.
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So, if the Monorail plan was so perfect and had all this support, why hasn't anyone brought it back to the ballot repeatedly to get it passed and built?
Oh, right, it's not perfect and only has the support of quixotic hipsters and wannabe wonks.
Oh, right, it's not perfect and only has the support of quixotic hipsters and wannabe wonks.
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@7 ummm...actually if more people are riding the train doesn't that take more cars off the road and reduce the chances of more pedestrian accidents? Hey, if we get all the elderly drivers off the road & on the rails we will probably save even more lives!......
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I do kind of like the idea of cattle catchers... except they'd be more like kid flingers.
What would also be kind of cool is if the trains could run faster on MLK (up to 55?) if ST did invest in (classy-looking) fences and more barriers at intersections. Someone know the law or guidelines on that? I've heard that they're limited to 35 now because of the current design and the car speed limit on the street.
What would also be kind of cool is if the trains could run faster on MLK (up to 55?) if ST did invest in (classy-looking) fences and more barriers at intersections. Someone know the law or guidelines on that? I've heard that they're limited to 35 now because of the current design and the car speed limit on the street.
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How many people die in and from cars and trucks every day on I-5, SR-520, and I-90?
The reason I stopped watching the evening news was half of it was fake drama about more people killed by and in cars and trucks every evening.
Every. Single. Evening.
If it wasn't people run over it was trucks and cars on fire, or rocks being thrown.
Compared to that ... light rail would have to run for 1000 years to get the same death toll we get in a year.
The reason I stopped watching the evening news was half of it was fake drama about more people killed by and in cars and trucks every evening.
Every. Single. Evening.
If it wasn't people run over it was trucks and cars on fire, or rocks being thrown.
Compared to that ... light rail would have to run for 1000 years to get the same death toll we get in a year.
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Great point, Matt. You are 100% correct.
Except I never claimed that it came first. I'm just saying that it would have been vastly superior. And we voted for it. Multiple times. And full service was supposed to have begun in 2009. That's this year. We could be riding it right. fucking. now.
And see, now I'm even MORE bitter just having to type that out. And it doesn't matter at all to me whether my bitterness makes sense to you or not, because I happen to really enjoy being bitter. Please don't take that away from me.
Have a nice day. (Seriously though, I'm not writing that sarcastically. I don't comment often, but I read the comments all the time, and I like your style. So, Matt from Denver, I sincerely wish you the nicest of days.)
Except I never claimed that it came first. I'm just saying that it would have been vastly superior. And we voted for it. Multiple times. And full service was supposed to have begun in 2009. That's this year. We could be riding it right. fucking. now.
And see, now I'm even MORE bitter just having to type that out. And it doesn't matter at all to me whether my bitterness makes sense to you or not, because I happen to really enjoy being bitter. Please don't take that away from me.
Have a nice day. (Seriously though, I'm not writing that sarcastically. I don't comment often, but I read the comments all the time, and I like your style. So, Matt from Denver, I sincerely wish you the nicest of days.)
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The light rail is at-grade in Rainier Valle due to costs. Not to kill black people, you fucking nutjob.
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@23: Children's toys?!?
Tell that to TOKYO, SYDNEY, LAS VEGAS, VANCOUVER, and DISNEY WORLD. Wait, never mind that last one.
@24: Yawn. Who said the monorail was "so perfect" and "had all this support"? I certainly didn't. Go build straw men someplace else.
Tell that to TOKYO, SYDNEY, LAS VEGAS, VANCOUVER, and DISNEY WORLD. Wait, never mind that last one.
@24: Yawn. Who said the monorail was "so perfect" and "had all this support"? I certainly didn't. Go build straw men someplace else.
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yeah, i think it's a little disingenuous to say that light rail trains strike and kill pedestrians at pretty regular intervals. any time you put a train at-grade there will be conflicts with other forms of traffic. i make no value judgments on the decision to site Link the way it is sited, but it's a fact of life now. furthermore, cyclists and pedestrians are killed everyday by cars. it's a dog-bites-man story, whereas the first light rail fatality will be HUGE news, quickly followed by a lot of ignorant comments about how light rail was a waste of time and money. can't wait.
finally, w/r/t #20, the point above is applicable. 90ish people die everyday in automobile accidents. everyday. car accidents don't sell newspapers.
finally, w/r/t #20, the point above is applicable. 90ish people die everyday in automobile accidents. everyday. car accidents don't sell newspapers.
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yeah, i think it's a little disingenuous to say that light rail trains strike and kill pedestrians at pretty regular intervals. any time you put a train at-grade there will be conflicts with other forms of traffic. i make no value judgments on the decision to site Link the way it is sited, but it's a fact of life now. furthermore, cyclists and pedestrians are killed everyday by cars. it's a dog-bites-man story, whereas the first light rail fatality will be HUGE news, quickly followed by a lot of ignorant comments about how light rail was a waste of time and money. can't wait.
finally, w/r/t #20, the point above is applicable. 90ish people die everyday in automobile accidents. everyday. car accidents don't sell newspapers.
finally, w/r/t #20, the point above is applicable. 90ish people die everyday in automobile accidents. everyday. car accidents don't sell newspapers.
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Dan, you wrote the best pro-monorail commentary out of anyone in the Seattle media. Between your monorail editorials and Skipping Towards Gomorrah, I've often felt that you should ditch your column, write more about issues that effect more people's everyday lives, move back to Seattle, and run for office over here.
The Monorail was killed by the very people we elected to run it, killed by a mayor who refused to show real leadership on the issue and find a way to make it work, and killed by a bickering, cheapskate population who couldn't look at the cost overruns in the context of a history of regional mistakes on the subject of public transportation.
The Monorail should not have had it's own agency, and Sound Transit and Metro need to consider this technology for future projects. The WS to Ballard line should have been 2 separate lines meeting somewhere downtown, not 1 long line as was planned.
It wasn't a bad idea, just executed poorly.
The Monorail was killed by the very people we elected to run it, killed by a mayor who refused to show real leadership on the issue and find a way to make it work, and killed by a bickering, cheapskate population who couldn't look at the cost overruns in the context of a history of regional mistakes on the subject of public transportation.
The Monorail should not have had it's own agency, and Sound Transit and Metro need to consider this technology for future projects. The WS to Ballard line should have been 2 separate lines meeting somewhere downtown, not 1 long line as was planned.
It wasn't a bad idea, just executed poorly.
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@ Ninja, thanks, and same to you.
FWIW, I voted for monorail every time it passed; unfortunately I was back in Denver when the final vote occurred.
I do understand your bitterness over the monorail, just not why you seem to be directing it at light rail; hence my comment about the order in which they passed at the ballot, because the voters didn't pass them as "either/or," even if the political establishment regarded it that way.
FWIW, I voted for monorail every time it passed; unfortunately I was back in Denver when the final vote occurred.
I do understand your bitterness over the monorail, just not why you seem to be directing it at light rail; hence my comment about the order in which they passed at the ballot, because the voters didn't pass them as "either/or," even if the political establishment regarded it that way.
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Nathaniel Irons @6: Fortunately, East Link planning calls for light rail to run at grade in Bellevue too.
Fortunately, this is not yet a done deal. It's too late to change our decisions about how light rail runs through South Seattle, but downtown Bellevue is a different story and there are still alternative plans on the table to run light rail grade-separated there. I believe the only alternatives being seriously considered are tunnels, not elevated.
The extra money to run light rail grade-separated through downtown Bellevue cannot come from the ST2 funds from last year's Prop. 1. The City of Bellevue would have to find some other funding source.
My two cents? Please, somebody some way find the extra money. Bellevue is enough of a hub for this region--and East Link is a vital enough corridor for this region--getting those trains off those streets is an investment we won't regret.
I tried to raise this issue with a couple comments on yesterday's light rail post.
Fortunately, this is not yet a done deal. It's too late to change our decisions about how light rail runs through South Seattle, but downtown Bellevue is a different story and there are still alternative plans on the table to run light rail grade-separated there. I believe the only alternatives being seriously considered are tunnels, not elevated.
The extra money to run light rail grade-separated through downtown Bellevue cannot come from the ST2 funds from last year's Prop. 1. The City of Bellevue would have to find some other funding source.
My two cents? Please, somebody some way find the extra money. Bellevue is enough of a hub for this region--and East Link is a vital enough corridor for this region--getting those trains off those streets is an investment we won't regret.
I tried to raise this issue with a couple comments on yesterday's light rail post.
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They decided to run the backbone of a new public transportation system through one of the poorest areas of the city? The bastards!
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21, That's strange. If I were going to kill myself and knew my family was going to be charged for cleanup I'd pick the most expensive line. But I guess that says something about my relationship with my family.
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Cars are the #1 killer of children and adults under 45. It's not even close. Our first national (and state, and county, and city, and individual) priority should be to prevent deaths and injuries to young people.
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But, Dan, poor people own pitbulls, and pitbulls kill people more than light rail--at least that's what you'd have them believe--so isn't this just a fair and practical retribution?
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Come on, Dan! I'm in Geneva right now, and I've been to Vienna, Prague and Amsterdam many times. By your irrational calculations, I should already have lost a leg, and there should be a mob of one-legged Europeans crying for the abolition of light rail here.
I don't normally think you're on Mars, but this is really too much. The monorail is dead, it SHOULD have been built, but light rail is a still great thing and will do much to revitalize Rainier Valley, where I worked for 12 years.
I don't normally think you're on Mars, but this is really too much. The monorail is dead, it SHOULD have been built, but light rail is a still great thing and will do much to revitalize Rainier Valley, where I worked for 12 years.
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We can solve this problem with a simple math equation. Lightrail train A is traveling 35 mph southbound on Rainer. Ligh rail train B is traveling 35 mph northbound on Rainer. Shaquea Jackson Leroy Jones is walking 1 mph east towards the light rail tracks when Train A and B are schedule to pass each other. Which train will hit Shaquea Jackson Leroy Jones and how fast will it be traveling? Answer: Who the fuck cares? Someone is going to get killed!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey guys. Let's put the nails in the coffin of the whole The Monorail Would Be Way Better meme by making a simplistic case study:
Tokyo has perhaps the most vibrant rail-transit system in the world, including both steel-wheel and monorail systems:
http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/routemaps/pdf/…
Take a look at the Tokyo Monorail (1964), the Chiba Monorail (1988), the Tama Monorail (1998), the Disney Resort Monorail (2001), and the Ueno Zoo Monorail (1958). Note that among them, there's only one branch (on the Chiba line), and they're the shortest lines on the map. The longest monorail line in the world, over in Osaka, is only 13 miles long.
The Tokyo Monorail is the most profitable monorail line in the world, as until recently it enjoyed being the exclusive rail provider to Haneda Airport. In sharp contrast, the Tama Monorail is insolvent. Similarly, the Chiba Monorail's oversight committee recommended in 2004 they not commence a planned expansion and in fact close an underutilized station. (each rail line has a write-up in Wikipedia, however much you trust it)
These best-in-class monorail systems are short, non-branching, excursionary, and only peripherally part of Japan's incredibly useful rail system. And if the rail-loving Japanese shun space-efficient, cheap-to-build monorails in their ultra-dense super-networked urban landscape, we might stand to learn why.
Tokyo has perhaps the most vibrant rail-transit system in the world, including both steel-wheel and monorail systems:
http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/routemaps/pdf/…
Take a look at the Tokyo Monorail (1964), the Chiba Monorail (1988), the Tama Monorail (1998), the Disney Resort Monorail (2001), and the Ueno Zoo Monorail (1958). Note that among them, there's only one branch (on the Chiba line), and they're the shortest lines on the map. The longest monorail line in the world, over in Osaka, is only 13 miles long.
The Tokyo Monorail is the most profitable monorail line in the world, as until recently it enjoyed being the exclusive rail provider to Haneda Airport. In sharp contrast, the Tama Monorail is insolvent. Similarly, the Chiba Monorail's oversight committee recommended in 2004 they not commence a planned expansion and in fact close an underutilized station. (each rail line has a write-up in Wikipedia, however much you trust it)
These best-in-class monorail systems are short, non-branching, excursionary, and only peripherally part of Japan's incredibly useful rail system. And if the rail-loving Japanese shun space-efficient, cheap-to-build monorails in their ultra-dense super-networked urban landscape, we might stand to learn why.
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You're a fucking idiot Savage. Elevated trains in Seattle would just kill a bunch of us when a big earthquake hits.
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Where is Sirkulat with his circulator monorail plan when we really need him? His monorail proposal (service circulating between Seattle Center, Capitol Hill and Downtown) was actually a pretty good idea that would have served a shit-ton of people and wouldn't have cost nearly as much as the Green Line would have.
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opticsdoug @46: Hey guys. Let's put the nails in the coffin of the whole The Monorail Would Be Way Better meme...
Doug, I was a huge monorail supporter, and even I have to admit, for all practical purposes, monorail is dead in this town.
But let's at least learn the lessons monorail has to offer and coopt some of its strengths. Monorail has to run grade-separated; light rail doesn't. So let's appreciate the value of running grade-separated or in a truly dedicated right-of-way, i.e. no street crossings; let's really be reluctant about doing what we did in the Rainier Valley. Light rail is not streetcar. It's not a neighborhood circulator and beautification project first and foremost; it's a mass transit system. And mass transit is not something you try to do on the cheap.
And I'd like to think we aspire to be more like the Vancouvers, SFs and NYs out there, and not the Portlands, Phoenixes, and Denvers.
Doug, I was a huge monorail supporter, and even I have to admit, for all practical purposes, monorail is dead in this town.
But let's at least learn the lessons monorail has to offer and coopt some of its strengths. Monorail has to run grade-separated; light rail doesn't. So let's appreciate the value of running grade-separated or in a truly dedicated right-of-way, i.e. no street crossings; let's really be reluctant about doing what we did in the Rainier Valley. Light rail is not streetcar. It's not a neighborhood circulator and beautification project first and foremost; it's a mass transit system. And mass transit is not something you try to do on the cheap.
And I'd like to think we aspire to be more like the Vancouvers, SFs and NYs out there, and not the Portlands, Phoenixes, and Denvers.
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@46, good points, you actually back up some of what I wrote earlier, albe it indirectly. We should consider this technology for certain routes in our regional system. I think it would fit the 520 replacement plans perfectly. No need to widen the bridge for light rail, throw a monorail on top. Oh, and I still think my suggestion for what the WS to Ballard rout should have looked like is a good idea.
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51, you better aspire to be more like Denver. Our light rail has dedicated right-of-way along the whole route except downtown, and no one has a problem with it at grade there. (It doesn't crawl along like Portland's apparently does.) And Denver traffic doesn't suck ass like Seattle.
Think before you diss.
Think before you diss.
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Putting the light rail in a crappy neighborhood is a good idea if you want to engineer a little urban renewal. People will start buying lower priced properties and fixing them up. They can do this because they can commute to their jobs from low income neighborhood to higher income neighborhood. In a couple of years Rainier Valley is going to be a transitional neighborhood and all those poor people will eventually be priced out of the area.
p.s. If you're hit by the train because the douchebag conductor was texting his/her girl/boyfriend it isn't your fault. If your walking/biking or generally dicking around on the tracks (probably listening to an iPod) where you know you aren't supposed to be, it is.
p.s. If you're hit by the train because the douchebag conductor was texting his/her girl/boyfriend it isn't your fault. If your walking/biking or generally dicking around on the tracks (probably listening to an iPod) where you know you aren't supposed to be, it is.
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Watch the first death be in the tunnel, when one of those douchebags that inevitably tries to cross the roadway while ignoring the dozen signs and decals that tell you not to does so, right in front of the entryway as the train comes rolling in.
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let's ban all transportation systems that maim and kill, starting, of course, with the most deadly.
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There are three categories of people that will die:
1. Old people hopped up on meds near the end of their lives who get confused and stop on the tracks.
2. Little kids who get impatient and dash across or get taunted to do so.
3. People on bicycles or wearing headphones or talking on cell phones who aren't paying attention or think they're invulnerable.
Other than category 2 ... Darwin Award!
1. Old people hopped up on meds near the end of their lives who get confused and stop on the tracks.
2. Little kids who get impatient and dash across or get taunted to do so.
3. People on bicycles or wearing headphones or talking on cell phones who aren't paying attention or think they're invulnerable.
Other than category 2 ... Darwin Award!
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That said, building an elevated monorail with Phase II Stimulus funding from the feds with the previous plan that would cost HALF as much to deliver TWICE the capacity would be a wise choice for West Seattle and Ballard, which have white people, so city council probably cares about them ...
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@10 "make a bunch of people late"
You know, I hate to admit it, but that's one of my worries about an accident on the light rail line. I have kids to pick up from childcare, a husband who is unreachable at work... I get anxious at the thought that if there is an accident on the line, even to a train ahead of mine, how will I get to their childcare on time?
And since it IS all about me: please people, don't stand on the fucking rails, I've got kids to pick up.
You know, I hate to admit it, but that's one of my worries about an accident on the light rail line. I have kids to pick up from childcare, a husband who is unreachable at work... I get anxious at the thought that if there is an accident on the line, even to a train ahead of mine, how will I get to their childcare on time?
And since it IS all about me: please people, don't stand on the fucking rails, I've got kids to pick up.
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You know, Allyn, what you mentioned just sparked a thought... I think it's very possible the first death will be some self-absorbed douchebag jumping in front of the train to attempt suicide.
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Well it has happened! At five minutes to midnight July 27th 2009 a man jumped in front of the train. A fellow bus driver heard it over the radio, obviously it is to soon for the results of the investigation since it was less then 4 hours ago, but the train operator described it as a suicide. It happened at holgate and I believe it was a Southbound train. So the self-absorbed douchebag wins, If he was a god lover, god rest his soul and lets hope for the best for the operator. A transit police officer said it looked like guts and hamburger.
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