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Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Neuter the Persnickety Stadiums

Posted by on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM

The public authority that runs Qwest Field fought like the dickens last year to oppose tall buildings on an adjacent 3.8-acre parking lot. Board chair Lorraine Hine fired off a letter to the city, opposing towers up to 24 stories high—even though the location next to King Street Station, a prime transit hub for light rail and buses, is ideal for maximum density. Hine's number one issue: Tall buildings would block views from the stadium.

“Qwest Field and Event Center was designed and constructed to capture the City and Puget Sound views offered by the public facility’s setting," Hine wrote. "Had these panoramic views not been available, or if they could not have been shared so publicly, then the facility would certainly have been designed differently.” She concluded that "240’ is simply too tall for this site.”

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This graphic illustrates what 240 foot tall buildings could look like on the North Lot, produced by the City's Department of Planning and Development as part of its Livable South Downtown study in 2008.

Indeed, Seattle’s finest example of economic justice is probably in the stands at Qwest Field: The cheaper your tickets, the higher the seats—and the closer to one of the city’s best views of the skyline. But really, you’re not paying for the view. And the city council thankfully didn’t cave. Reports Emily Heffter:

The Seattle City Council on Monday approved changes to the city's land-use code to allow a massive retail and residential development on a three-block swath of asphalt just north of Qwest Field. In addition to changing the view, the development may revive the Pioneer Square neighborhood by bringing in 600 more homes. […]

The new development would take up about half of the large parking lot between Qwest Field and King Street, adjacent to King Street Station. The land belongs to King County, and the county is selling it to the developer with many strings attached. Among other things, Daniels' development must replace the parking and provide "open space" — an extension of Second Avenue South, most likely — to allow access to the rest of the parking lot.

The buildings will range from 40 to 240 feet tall, with 60 percent residential use and 40 percent retail.

Oddly, spokesman for the stadium authority Kenan Block, reached this afternoon, insisted, “We did not support or take a position on the height.” He said the stadium authority was simply concerned about a "wall of buildings" (which isn't represented in the city's graphic). When I pointed out that one section of Hine’s letter was titled “240’ on the North Lot is too tall”—they certainly did take a position on the height--he said that the Stadium Authority did not support the city council’s vote. “We think it’s okay," he said.

Seattle really ought to neuter the authorities that run Safeco Field and Qwest Field. Over the last year, they’ve carved out a role pushing the city to restrict what other people can build on private property. The Mariners and Safeco Field have filed several appeals to block a strip club from opening in SoDo, and lost all of them. And Qwest Field pushed to block housing—including lots of affordable housing—on a freakin' parking lot. We should pass an ordinance, by city council vote or voter initiative, that muzzles both entities from lobbying on land-use decisions off their property.

 

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Wait, isn't the Stranger always up in arms about what other people build on private property?
Posted by Eh? on July 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM
2
Forget the sports teams for a second. How about some concern for new development in Seattle's oldest neighborhood? Pioneer Square is the last place in town that hasn't been given the old condo/retail treatment, and this is the first step in that process. Not wanting sports teams to get their way is a natural reaction to the economic and political power these teams yield; However in this instance, the problem has little to with the sports teams and more to do with hungry developers and the politicians that love them.
Posted by Psquare Resident on July 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM
devilsmoke 3
So under your regime, Dom, would Qwest and Safeco field officials be barred from public land use meetings as well? Shouldn't landowners be able to argue for their interests? Clearly the city can hold it's own against these guys if they've turned down all of Qwest and Safeco's appeals thus far. I appreciate your involvement in local property/zoning/land rights issues, but this proposal doesn't make any sense to me...Their voice should at least be considered, even if it's then summarily trashed as overreaching.
Posted by devilsmoke on July 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Max Solomon 4
erm, WHEN do they think they'll be a need for 600 more housing units in Pioneer square? 2025?
Posted by Max Solomon on July 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM
E_laine 5
Someone please pressure wash the roof of Qwest field. It's an eye sore.
Posted by E_laine on July 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
in-frequent 6
when it comes to the idea of a "view" it becomes more difficult to argue, if that view makes up the "character of the neighborhood". for once, i almost (almost) agree with the stadiums issue here. like us, they love their neighborhood as is, and want new development to not create a wall around the stadium. they built it the way they did because the law at the time guaranteed views. but views are one of the character traits - like specific shop, i suppose - that can, and often must, change for density.

that said, i must get this off my chest, i do not like that these stadiums exist at all when they are funded so much by taxpayers (the current manifestations).
Posted by in-frequent on July 14, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Fnarf 7
@2, you're so right -- we MUST preserve that historic surface parking lot for all eternity. That asphalt is the soul of the city! Bzzt.

Seeing as how both the Mariners and the Seahawks were GIVEN those stadiums, at a cost to the taxpayers of something like a BILLION DOLLARS, I think they should have the decency to say "thank you, we will shut up now". Lorriane Hine needs to be dropped from the top of the Hawk's Nest to the pavement below. What they SHOULD do is build on the other half of the lot, too, and make the teams pay for 5,000 or so underground parking spots there.

Auxiliary advantage: these buildings will also block the view of the ugliest public art in the downtown area for a lot of people.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on July 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM
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@1 you beat me to it. We're through the looking glass when the Stranger staff are supporting private property rights.
Posted by Westside forever on July 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Will in Seattle 9
Dang, I hate when Fnarf is right @7.

Look, there's a light rail station just a a few blocks away - and from the games I don't recall that side being particularly viewlike - sure it's nice to see some blue sky, but there's a bunch of tall buildings already there.

Kill the parking lots and build. I recommend 40 stories to start. And add a mini-park - we'll call it Nimby Park.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on July 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM
10
The Stranger is only concerned with property when one of the bars where the Slog staffers snort coke in the bathroom is under fire. Other than that, build away.
Posted by Ben Zoyl Methylecgonine on July 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Hernandez 11
What a weak argument. As a sports fan, I'm actually a little offended by their implication that the views matter to me in some way when I come out to see a game. They don't. I'm there to watch the teams. And when I walk out to the food booths at Qwest, I could give a good god damn what I stare at when I look out toward the city.

Maximum density near transit hubs is the right idea. I'm glad that the council approved these changes.
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on July 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
flotard 12
The stadiums are probably worried about the views in the other direction. They won't be able to charge people watching the games from their own apartments. There will also be 600 more people to possibly call in noise complaints and clog the streets with traffic preventing the fans easy access to the game.
Posted by flotard on July 14, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Baconcat 13
They're just concerned Seahawks fans won't have anything to look at when their team is getting dragged across the field like losers.
Posted by Baconcat on July 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Reality Check 14
Gee go figure... more pleading for cheap housing in the downtown core, near the transit station, and stadiums, and directly adjacent to newly built retail establishments...

Hmmm... exactly why do you think those should be "cheap"... err I mean "affordable"? Wouldn't that area be considered a prime downtown spot for very expensive units? View? Sports Stadiums? New construction?

Why should we taxpayers subsidize low income wannabe's to have the best most choice locations to live and play in?

The City has failed time and time again to provide aesthetic livable green open space near housing. That area screams for an open style area adjacent to the front of the Stadium. Hopefully the developers would incorporate an open feel to their buildings, and scale back the usual norm of buildings built to the edge of the street/sidewalk, and instead try a different architectural approach, with a green open park with a water fountain and pleasant small bars/shops commiserate with the feel of the surrounding neighborhood. Thankfully they will be mandated to continue providing much needed parking for those of us coming from the Eastside, who will never have a viable public transit option like rail for decades.

Not everyone comes up from the "hoods" of Rainier Valley, Sodo, Tukwilla and SeaTac to go to the Games. I'm pretty sure most of the affluent fanbase of fans come from other areas...

Besides... like was said above... EXACTLY HOW MUCH need is there for ANOTHER 600+ housing units in Pioneer Square?

Aren't we currently experiencing a HUGE GLUT of empty units across Seattle? Aren't there fire sales going on right now? Didn't I hear about a auction recently as desperate developers were freaking out about lack of sales? Isn't there empty lots sitting barren and neglected in Seattle?

Simply put... why can't we have a 5 year moratorium on new building in Seattle until the current glut gets below a certain threshold?

Why the need to start another eyesore project? Are they going to start tearing up the parking lot and then let it sit empty for 5 years, when their financing (financers) back out or the market goes into a further recession?

Then what?
More...
Posted by Reality Check http://www.nraila.org on July 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM
15
If the view is of the city skyline (buildings ) why does another building hurt the view?
Posted by pox on July 14, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Greg 16
Agreed, provided that there is also an ordinance passed to muzzle the Stranger from lobbying against redevelopment on Pike / Pine.
Posted by Greg on July 14, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Will in Seattle 17
@16 - yeah, like that's ever going to happen.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on July 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM
18
AS THE ECONOMY CONTINUES TO TANK, AND THERE IS MORE $$$ CHAOS - ANY PLAN TO BUILD WILL BE APPROVED

MORE DENSITY CLOSE IN, YES. HOW HARD IS THAT ...

Posted by caps on July 14, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Brandon1978 19
Isn't it bizarre when people oppose obstruction of city skyline views with none other than--city skyline views? The very buildings they argue will block city views will merely become PART of the view itself. That's exactly what a city view is! Their argument thus holds no water.
Posted by Brandon1978 on July 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM
20
#19 is winner today.
Posted by JesseJB on July 15, 2009 at 3:01 PM
21
This project does not begin the condo-azation of Pioneer Square. Height restrictions will remain in effect for the rest of the square. This development is on a parking lot that is on the outside boundry of the square. It offers the best opportunity to get rent paying residents into the area as its size will allow the cost-per-unit to be much lower than shorter, in-fill projects would allow.
FINALLY, the City Council has done something that most Pioneer Square workers, landowners, businesses, and residences want.
Posted by SeattleSlurp on July 15, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Free Lunch 22
What, Dominic? You couldn't find a way to call the Seahawks a "worthless embarrassment" for something that has nothing to do with the coaches or players, and site as proof their poor performance in a previous year?
Posted by Free Lunch on July 15, 2009 at 6:39 PM

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