Thursday, July 2, 2009
Film I'm Pretty Busy Murdering Arthouse Cinema With My Bare Hands at the Moment...
Posted by Lindy West on Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM
...but I guess I can spare a little time to write this post. There's something of a tiny, furious lynch mob forming, of people who think I should be fired and put out to pasture with all the other ponies who know nothing about film criticism (stupid ponies).
So even though I'm REALLY BUSY (there are a lot of meaningful documentaries out there that need ignoring, you guys!), your persuasive skills have prevailed: I shall now address these concerns.
Alex Williams writes:
LINDY WEST IS KILLING ART HOUSE CINEMA IN SEATTLEDear Editor, why is Lindy West still in charge of your film section? Yeah, she's funny and would probably make a great partner for drunken karaoke, but her lazy lack of interest, knowledge and coverage of what's showing in Seattle's independent cinemas is astounding.
Good point. I am funny; however, though I am great at being drunk, I do not enjoy karaoke.
This week: MUNYURANGABO got only rave reviews in NYC and now it's playing in Seattle; any review or recommendation from The Stranger? Nope. Likewise for NOLLYWOOD BABYLON, a 2009 Sundance-featured documentary on the Nigerian film industry that's having its US theatrical premiere at the Grand Illusion. So what films did get The Stranger's feature reviews this week? The new Michelle Pfeiffer vehicle, the latest Cameron Diaz film... and a big front-page piece about the new TRANSFORMERS movie. With editing choices like these, Lindy might as well be film editor at the Yakima Herald Republic. Hey Lindy: YOU ARE THE FILM EDITOR OF THE STRANGER NEWSPAPER IN SEATTLE! Get with it or get out.
Eli Drake writes:
Do you realize that your film section is a joke? Under the helm of Andy Spletzer and Annie Wagner, this part of the paper was a nationwide example of alternative film criticism and the place in Seattle to get the pulse on local work. Lindy West is driving your film section into the ground, and taking the local cinemas with her. Her coverage displays her utter inability to notice trends and achievements in filmmaking both worldwide and in the region. It's not only an embarrassment, but a threat to Seattle filmgoers and filmmakers who used to rely on the Stranger for intelligent, thoughtful and knowledgeable commentary and coverage. Ms. West clearly prefers gossip and pop culture to true film criticism; why force her to cover serious dramas and meaningful documentaries she is unable to appreciate? Bring back someone who cares.
And an anonymous person who has gone so far as to create the e-mail address LindyWestSucksAtHerJob@hotmail.com wrote to complain about the lack of coverage of Treeless Mountain, Munyurangabo, Adoration, and others.
People, you are heard. We don't have unlimited resources here at the paper (this isn't the most fruitful time for newspapers in general), but we cover as much as we have time for. When we don't manage to review something in time for the print edition, I try my hardest to follow up on the web. Some things are always going to go without coverage, and I'm sure we'll disagree in the future about what I choose to include and what I don't (and, like I said, it's not always a choice).
Be warned: I'm not going to stop liking celebrity gossip and I'm not going to stop covering mainstream films. I deny the charge that I have some sort of vendetta against all things meaningful, however. And I'm planning some changes for the section that will make our "arthouse" coverage—which tends to get lost in Film Shorts—more visible. Stay tuned in the next couple of weeks.
Also:
Here is my review of Munyurangabo.
Here are two different reviews of Treeless Mountain, both of which ran in the print edition.
Here is my review of Atom Egoyan's Adoration.
Here is my review of Made in U.S.A.
Here is my review of In a Dream, which played at Northwest Film Forum a few weeks ago.
Here is my review of The English Surgeon, which also played at Northwest Film Forum last month.
Here is Brendan Kiley's review of The Immaculate Conception of Little Dizzle.
Here is a review of Evangelion 1.0, which plays at the Grand Illusion this week.
There's also, you know, our giant fucking 2009 SIFF Guide.
Etc., etc., etc.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. In closing, because I do, in fact, love pop culture (till I die, bitchez!), I would like to leave you with this picture of David & Victoria Beckham being absolutely batshit insane, as usual. I fucking love them.
Love,
Lindy
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Look, you're no Anthony Lane from The New Yorker.
And, quite frankly, that's a good thing.
We don't have to agree with your reviews. That they provide enough information for us to make up our own minds means you're doing a good job.
Let the haters hate. Just keep doing your best.
And, quite frankly, that's a good thing.
We don't have to agree with your reviews. That they provide enough information for us to make up our own minds means you're doing a good job.
Let the haters hate. Just keep doing your best.
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Concurred, Ms. West, from one who is suspicious that the distinction between arthouse and mainstream is too often a mere ploy to assist in the ardent cinephile's self-aggrandizement.
3
I've been wondering for the longest time why Charles Mudede isn't in charge of the film section. He clearly has the most complete and innate understanding of filmmaking of anyone at The Stranger.
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Thanks for reviewing movies I might actually watch. I appreciate it. Thanks for being normal, and not overly pretentious like some people *cough* WILL *cough*. Thanks for a funny post mocking the fallacious complaints.
I think you're cool Lindy, and, coming from an anonymous message board poster, I'm sure you understand just how much that means.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
I think you're cool Lindy, and, coming from an anonymous message board poster, I'm sure you understand just how much that means.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
5
Yeah I really needed to read the headline of another Transformers review.
Here's how The Stranger's film reviews go:
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH WHY DOES HOLLYWOOD MAKE THIS GARBAGE LULZ CRANK2 LULZ.
You don't need 1500 words to say how shitty something is. Try something like this:
Transformers 2: What you think it is, but worse. Do not go.
Hey look, you saved us like 10 minutes.
Now you have lots more space to fill up with your mewing over pictures of monkeys with well done paint additions.
Here's how The Stranger's film reviews go:
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH WHY DOES HOLLYWOOD MAKE THIS GARBAGE LULZ CRANK2 LULZ.
You don't need 1500 words to say how shitty something is. Try something like this:
Transformers 2: What you think it is, but worse. Do not go.
Hey look, you saved us like 10 minutes.
Now you have lots more space to fill up with your mewing over pictures of monkeys with well done paint additions.
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Critics of film critics, such as Eli Drake and Alex Williams, are ruining the fine art of critic-criticizing for everyone. They suck. Here's how its done:
Lindy West. You Suck! Fuck you. Etc.
Drake & Williams, please take note.
Lindy West. You Suck! Fuck you. Etc.
Drake & Williams, please take note.
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I completely disagree with the 1st complaint. Lindy West is not funny in the slightest. Furthermore, I can't imagine how annoying her "Look, i'm drunk & funny & alternative!" schtick would be in person.
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@5 - if it took you 10 minutes to read her review of Transformers...I think that might be your problem. Maybe you should go back to Calvin and Hobbes and call it good. Took maybe 3 minutes - and that's allowing plenty of time to pause for laughter.
Lindy - you are pretty much the ENTIRE reason I quit boycotting the stranger. You are the amazingest. Keep up the good work.
Lindy - you are pretty much the ENTIRE reason I quit boycotting the stranger. You are the amazingest. Keep up the good work.
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I would like to note that Lindy West is massively obnoxious in person, and should never be allowed near a gong again. But her film reviews are bomb. And way better than they were 2 years ago.
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I think your rebuttal is all well and good, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that you are KILLING ART HOUSE CINEMA.
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I guess I agree with them. She's funny, but at times I went more context of a film instead of funny jokes. For example, in the capsule review of the siff movie "Wind Blows in the Meadow" she disses the dialog (well, the subtitles she read, not the spoken farsi) and seemed to be bored by it ("it drags often"). I don't think she has any knowledge of iranian cinema. The movie was very well received in the screening I attended. It seems that movies are just a good source of funny snarkiness to her, but I see them differently. Oh well.
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@3 Shut your fucking mouth. *NIGHTMARES* If this were to come to fruition, all reviews would be about a woman's body part, most generally the nipple.
"Transformers provides us with the source of life. It gives us everything we could need, and nourishes us with the love of life. Much like a lactating mother's nipple. We eventually outgrow this mother's nipple, except for the few who still have a lactation fetish."
...
That being said, the critics have a point. The focus of the film section is now largely about mainstream movies and about either the critique or guilty pleasure of said mainstream films. But, i dunno what Lindy actually does as the film editor sometimes. It seems she sees maybe 2 films a week, and spends the rest of the time surfing the internet finding weird things that amuse her and some of her loyal fans. This is obviated by her inability to even make more than 1 or 2 posts per week about SIFF during SIFF.
And, she's right, times are tough for newspapers. Films sections generally get chopped up. And, part of the purpose of the film section is to review films. But, why review the films that are blared all over every other mainstream outlet? Why make alternative movies even more alternative? I mean, The Stranger was generally a local-focused alterna-rag. Maybe they are trying to go mainstream. Or, attract more readership with their film section (really?!). But, the choice to consciously avoid the alternative, local, or indie scene which don't get much of a chance out of the paper is idiotic.
"Transformers provides us with the source of life. It gives us everything we could need, and nourishes us with the love of life. Much like a lactating mother's nipple. We eventually outgrow this mother's nipple, except for the few who still have a lactation fetish."
...
That being said, the critics have a point. The focus of the film section is now largely about mainstream movies and about either the critique or guilty pleasure of said mainstream films. But, i dunno what Lindy actually does as the film editor sometimes. It seems she sees maybe 2 films a week, and spends the rest of the time surfing the internet finding weird things that amuse her and some of her loyal fans. This is obviated by her inability to even make more than 1 or 2 posts per week about SIFF during SIFF.
And, she's right, times are tough for newspapers. Films sections generally get chopped up. And, part of the purpose of the film section is to review films. But, why review the films that are blared all over every other mainstream outlet? Why make alternative movies even more alternative? I mean, The Stranger was generally a local-focused alterna-rag. Maybe they are trying to go mainstream. Or, attract more readership with their film section (really?!). But, the choice to consciously avoid the alternative, local, or indie scene which don't get much of a chance out of the paper is idiotic.
18
As a comparison, this would be like Paul Constant forcing the book section to focus on the likes of Tori Spelling, Dean Koontz, Stephen King, Dave Barry, Dan Brown, and J.K. Rowling. Also, those "The Cat" books, etc.
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So YOU'RE the one killing arthouse cinema!
Arthouse cinema: "I have been long seeking you, my nemesis."
Lindy West: *killz*
The rest of us: *actually enjoys the Stranger's film section*
Arthouse cinema: "I have been long seeking you, my nemesis."
Lindy West: *killz*
The rest of us: *actually enjoys the Stranger's film section*
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@10: Dunno about @5, but I sure will stop reading. I've been relying on the Stranger for a decade to keep me up to date on what cool, small films are playing in this great city. Thus my chagrin at missing Nollywood Babylon which I heard about a week or so ago and immediately put on my must watch list.
And I had no fucking idea it was playing here.
My bad, I guess, for not keeping up with the Grand Illusion's schedule, but I was relying on y'all to point this great stuff out for me. I no longer will.
And I had no fucking idea it was playing here.
My bad, I guess, for not keeping up with the Grand Illusion's schedule, but I was relying on y'all to point this great stuff out for me. I no longer will.
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Keep up the good work, fuck the haters.
Maybe you should consider farming out some reviews ala Mr. Constant and his Slog book reviews or Mr. Whomever and the happy hour reviews. Besides, it sounds like there are plenty of people out there that would make sooo much better film critics than you and are just dying to rush out and watch the most recent indie/arty/foreign film.
Maybe you should consider farming out some reviews ala Mr. Constant and his Slog book reviews or Mr. Whomever and the happy hour reviews. Besides, it sounds like there are plenty of people out there that would make sooo much better film critics than you and are just dying to rush out and watch the most recent indie/arty/foreign film.
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@10 I did a long time ago, when I realized I could get the same coverage from aint It cool news or rotten tomatoes or a middleschool lunchroom. Not that I ever go to any of those places either, but you get the idea.
I'm glad your response to some honest criticism was "go away"
I'm glad your response to some honest criticism was "go away"
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@27: I think Lindy's a great writer, too. However, when damn good films are being totally ignored in order to devote space to absolute fucking crap like reviews of sequels of 80s nostalgia merchandising, then there's one less reason for me to pick up your now rather anemic rag.
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Wow. Do people really love those obnoxious and bland reviewers who make up for their (sexual) insecurities by flaunting an encyclopedic knowledge of obscure indie film trivia...?
Oh right, it's Seattle! That's "alternative" here.
Lindy's reviews always feel like they're written by a real human being who, you know, actually lives in the world and stuff, and doesn't treat film and movies like they're a separate universe. She usually makes me think, "That's exactly how it makes me feel!" or "Yeah, so that's what it reminds me of!" She's not just funny--she's brilliant. She knows how to get people to relate, because she's able to diagnose our cultural condition.
Isn't that worth more than the desperate attempts of most reviewers to impress or dazzle their readers with some arcane bullshit on what's "happening" in cinema?
Oh right, it's Seattle! That's "alternative" here.
Lindy's reviews always feel like they're written by a real human being who, you know, actually lives in the world and stuff, and doesn't treat film and movies like they're a separate universe. She usually makes me think, "That's exactly how it makes me feel!" or "Yeah, so that's what it reminds me of!" She's not just funny--she's brilliant. She knows how to get people to relate, because she's able to diagnose our cultural condition.
Isn't that worth more than the desperate attempts of most reviewers to impress or dazzle their readers with some arcane bullshit on what's "happening" in cinema?
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@28
Exactly. Why read this section when all it does anymore is make fun of main stream film at least half the time?
If the Theatre section was "god Cats sure is leotarded lulz!" all the time, I don't think I'd read it anymore either.
Exactly. Why read this section when all it does anymore is make fun of main stream film at least half the time?
If the Theatre section was "god Cats sure is leotarded lulz!" all the time, I don't think I'd read it anymore either.
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@30 - I might start reading the Theater section if it read like that.
Also, I think you're all overlooking the budgetary constraints. I doubt that the Stranger gets screeners/tickets to all the artsy-fartsy movies that come through Seattle. How does that work exactly?
Also, I think you're all overlooking the budgetary constraints. I doubt that the Stranger gets screeners/tickets to all the artsy-fartsy movies that come through Seattle. How does that work exactly?
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@31: The Stranger is invited to every screening of a new film in every independent theater in Seattle, as is every publication. Even a venue as small as the Grand Illusion comfortably holds representatives from every media organization in Seattle at the same time.
As far as budgetary constraints, there are none, since the media does not have to pay to see a preview screening of a film.
As far as budgetary constraints, there are none, since the media does not have to pay to see a preview screening of a film.
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"I am funny; however, though I am great at being drunk, I do not enjoy karaoke. "
Am I the only one thinking "but what about a drunken makeout session?"?
Regarding reviewing Hollywood blockbusters: this gives us a chance to calibrate on Lindy's taste before we start going to art films.
I'm going to start thinking of Lindy as Roger Ebert with a vagina.
And a larynx.
Am I the only one thinking "but what about a drunken makeout session?"?
Regarding reviewing Hollywood blockbusters: this gives us a chance to calibrate on Lindy's taste before we start going to art films.
I'm going to start thinking of Lindy as Roger Ebert with a vagina.
And a larynx.
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Lindy West isn't destroying any film-related scene in Seattle because she's simply not that important.
But yes, the Stranger's film reviews are the worst I've read anywhere and is the main reason I've stopped picking up the paper version. It's not just that their decisions on what to review are awful (they are), nor that the majority of people who write the reviews love to talk about themselves much more than the flick (they do), but they seem to have a real hatred for things which are more clever than they are, which sadly means everything better than Transformers 2.
Might as well just shut it down and use the space for the personal blogs of the writers since that's what they want to write anyway.
But yes, the Stranger's film reviews are the worst I've read anywhere and is the main reason I've stopped picking up the paper version. It's not just that their decisions on what to review are awful (they are), nor that the majority of people who write the reviews love to talk about themselves much more than the flick (they do), but they seem to have a real hatred for things which are more clever than they are, which sadly means everything better than Transformers 2.
Might as well just shut it down and use the space for the personal blogs of the writers since that's what they want to write anyway.
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Roger Ebert gives all movies with bared female breasts in them an extra star. Does Lindy do that?
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wow. congrats to the insightful people who noticed that Lindy West isn't Annie Wagner. I do miss Annie's coverage, but that doesn't mean that I don't think that Lindy isn't hilarious.
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The Netflix-Chinatown slog posts pretty much typify what I don’t like about Lindy: her lack of curiosity about her chosen medium. No amount of ranting is necessarily going to improve her game only because I’m pretty sure she just doesn’t care. I can’t take any opinion of hers, whether high or low-brow, seriously. She seems more interested in “events” like SIFF parties and high-end Eastside theatres than the joy of watching movies.
These “pity-me” slog posts of spotlighting her haters routinely get filled with rallying comments from her supporters to demonstrate her opinion’s validity. Her fans like seeing “someone just like me” without challenging any of their beliefs, a la the cult of Palin. I’m guessing Lindy is surprised that her haters take cinema more seriously than she does.
She’s not solely responsible for murdering art house cinema. It has more to do with the economy, Netflix, and the ubiquitous home theatre setup. However, she’s certainly not helping it.
Her observations are more appropriate for the pop culture junk of I Love Television, which is a pretty direct inspiration of her style. If you would like snark that has some grasp of cinema knowledge, then read the AV Club. Lindy’s promotion has single handedly halved my reading time of the Stranger. Seattle will forever remain a music town.
These “pity-me” slog posts of spotlighting her haters routinely get filled with rallying comments from her supporters to demonstrate her opinion’s validity. Her fans like seeing “someone just like me” without challenging any of their beliefs, a la the cult of Palin. I’m guessing Lindy is surprised that her haters take cinema more seriously than she does.
She’s not solely responsible for murdering art house cinema. It has more to do with the economy, Netflix, and the ubiquitous home theatre setup. However, she’s certainly not helping it.
Her observations are more appropriate for the pop culture junk of I Love Television, which is a pretty direct inspiration of her style. If you would like snark that has some grasp of cinema knowledge, then read the AV Club. Lindy’s promotion has single handedly halved my reading time of the Stranger. Seattle will forever remain a music town.
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I can see why people find Lindy funny, but I have to agree with her critics. I don't think she's very good at her actual job.
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Everyone's a critic huh? And most people are dicks who think they are entitled to whatever movie review THEY want, and if that doesn't happen OMG LINDY IS SO LLAAAAMMMEE. I really hate all of you. Really.
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Lindy, Alex here (letter #1). Thanks for addressing my concerns and for starting a discussion, it's appreciated.
I actually love your writing too (your line "if there exists any circumstance in which 'honeyed cleft' can be a convincing substitute for 'butthole,' we will most certainly not find it 'neath the pantaloons of a 17th-century blacksmith" will stay with me forever). But often, after reading your cutesy, joke-filled reviews, I still have to log onto Rotten Tomatoes to find out if a movie's worth seeing or not.
When you HAVE done intelligent justice to more serious, non-mainstream films with your reviews (MUNYURANGABO, for example), people notice and appreciate the difference.
I don't think there are many who would like to see you or The Stranger abandon coverage of pop culture or mainstream cinema, but a little more balance would be nice. Seattle's independent theaters are bringing things to town that you won't find anywhere else—films that obviously don't already have huge Hollywood studio ad campaigns behind them. It would be great to see The Stranger do more to bring those films to peoples' attention. I look forward to the changes you mention that will make some of that stuff more visible.
I actually love your writing too (your line "if there exists any circumstance in which 'honeyed cleft' can be a convincing substitute for 'butthole,' we will most certainly not find it 'neath the pantaloons of a 17th-century blacksmith" will stay with me forever). But often, after reading your cutesy, joke-filled reviews, I still have to log onto Rotten Tomatoes to find out if a movie's worth seeing or not.
When you HAVE done intelligent justice to more serious, non-mainstream films with your reviews (MUNYURANGABO, for example), people notice and appreciate the difference.
I don't think there are many who would like to see you or The Stranger abandon coverage of pop culture or mainstream cinema, but a little more balance would be nice. Seattle's independent theaters are bringing things to town that you won't find anywhere else—films that obviously don't already have huge Hollywood studio ad campaigns behind them. It would be great to see The Stranger do more to bring those films to peoples' attention. I look forward to the changes you mention that will make some of that stuff more visible.
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Ms. West, your reviews make me smile and provide enough information to help us decide whether to see the film or not. Keep up the great work!
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@32- But they do have to pay people to see the movies and write the reviews, right? I mean, Lindy's choices my not jibe with some, but ultimately, she has limited time, staff, etc. to cover the scene.
I think I understand how this works a little bit better. Like if Jen Graves started to seriously critique Thomas Kincaid galleries, or wrote about new shows at SAM with lots of exclamation points (try it, Jen!), now that Lindy is being silly about movies, y'all have your panties in a bunch.
I think I understand how this works a little bit better. Like if Jen Graves started to seriously critique Thomas Kincaid galleries, or wrote about new shows at SAM with lots of exclamation points (try it, Jen!), now that Lindy is being silly about movies, y'all have your panties in a bunch.
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Lindy, I LOVE your reviews. Never change.
I really don't get the attitude of people who say "Well, I still gotta read other stuff to find out what I want." Isn't that a good thing?
For any given movie, I read several reviews; I read the Stranger's, the NY Times', my local paper's. I get a little something different from each one and it's interesting to see what each reviewer mentions or agrees/disagrees on. I also read them for different reasons -- sometimes I need to decide to go, other times I just want some entertaining reading because I'm already going.
I disagree even with my favourite reviewers, so I like getting several opinions that I consider "reliable" (i.e. accurate to my own taste). NO review is ever going to give you "everything" so I find it interesting anyone thinks one review is enough to decide for them what to see.
I really don't get the attitude of people who say "Well, I still gotta read other stuff to find out what I want." Isn't that a good thing?
For any given movie, I read several reviews; I read the Stranger's, the NY Times', my local paper's. I get a little something different from each one and it's interesting to see what each reviewer mentions or agrees/disagrees on. I also read them for different reasons -- sometimes I need to decide to go, other times I just want some entertaining reading because I'm already going.
I disagree even with my favourite reviewers, so I like getting several opinions that I consider "reliable" (i.e. accurate to my own taste). NO review is ever going to give you "everything" so I find it interesting anyone thinks one review is enough to decide for them what to see.
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I didn't read ANY of the comments...
I just wanted to say I HEART LINDY.
I'd totally have your babies.
I just wanted to say I HEART LINDY.
I'd totally have your babies.
53
Ugh. Are THOSE the people who enjoyed reading the long, pretentious "art house" reviews? They just liked feeling vindicated for wasting their lives. Some of us think you revitalized the Stranger's film section. I look forward to and thoroughly enjoy every single word of every one of your reviews and, unlike the old reviews, have never skimmed a single one.
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Well, I had enjoyed your reviews, but now that I know you don't like karaoke, I'm going to have to join the mob calling for your termination. Sorry.
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You know, this is actually proof that Lindy's doing her job just fine. She fits right in with the rest of this staff of single-issue, uninformed hacks. In fact, you could turn that first note into a form letter for Letters to the Editor:
Dear Editor, why is [hack] still in charge of [hack's section]? Yeah, (s)he's funny and would probably make a great partner for drunken karaoke, but (his/her) lazy lack of interest, knowledge and coverage of what's [happening in said writer's dept of choice] is astounding.
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Why do so many of you continue to read the Stranger if it just makes you angry? I don't like being constantly angry which is why I avoid Fox News.
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goo goo gaa gaa. no this isn't spam. It's a summary of Ms Linsay's insipid writing. It is cloying and annoying and predictable. Get a life girl.
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Angry probably isn't the proper term. The people who make this paper go have potential, and they have their moments of brilliance. And yet they fall prey to the same negative habits and cycles.
Well all know many people like that in our personal lives, sure. But it's especially frustrating given this medium, the influence potential it has and the audience it has.
Well all know many people like that in our personal lives, sure. But it's especially frustrating given this medium, the influence potential it has and the audience it has.
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I once met Chuck Wepner, the former boxer and ROCKY inspiration. I got all tongue tied at the awesomeness of the Bayonne Bleeder and blew my chance for mainstream movie/pugilistic pixie dust to rub off on me.
Lindy, I had an opportunity to say hi at a party recently, but I chickened out for much the same reason as my earlier encounter with the Mr. Wepner:
You are awesome.
Lindy, I had an opportunity to say hi at a party recently, but I chickened out for much the same reason as my earlier encounter with the Mr. Wepner:
You are awesome.
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