Friday, June 26, 2009
Life It's the Last Friday of the Month
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Which means tonight is Critical Mass. The last Critical Mass looked like this:
Contrary to what you'll read in Slog comments, you do not need to be an asshole to join the ride. (Most riders are sweet as can be.) You do not have to know anyone. You do not need to pay anything. You do not need to come with anyone. All you need is a bicycle. The group gathers at Westlake Center at around 5:30 pm and the ride starts around 6:00 pm. The route is determined on the fly.
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@1: And a heightened sense of entitlement and utter contempt for anyone else trying to share the road.
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Here are a few routes:
REALISM ROUTE, a route that follows the general path of most cyclists in Seattle: Start heading east on Pike, avoiding all sharrows and plowing through the sidewalks if people are presently occupying them. Run as many stop signs as possible and make even more illegal turns. Lock your bike to a rack and leave a passive-aggressive note on the bike of someone else for taking up more than 40% of the rack.
WE AREN'T ALL JACKASSES ROUTE, a route that emphasizes that not all cyclists are jackasses: Start out heading west on Pike, plow through the Market. Argue with anyone who calls you a jackass. Make illegal turns and run stop signs.
LEAD BY EXAMPLE ROUTE, a route with a happy ending: Ride to alki (making sure you make a lot of illegal turns and running as many stop signs as possible), then into the water. Keep going.
REALISM ROUTE, a route that follows the general path of most cyclists in Seattle: Start heading east on Pike, avoiding all sharrows and plowing through the sidewalks if people are presently occupying them. Run as many stop signs as possible and make even more illegal turns. Lock your bike to a rack and leave a passive-aggressive note on the bike of someone else for taking up more than 40% of the rack.
WE AREN'T ALL JACKASSES ROUTE, a route that emphasizes that not all cyclists are jackasses: Start out heading west on Pike, plow through the Market. Argue with anyone who calls you a jackass. Make illegal turns and run stop signs.
LEAD BY EXAMPLE ROUTE, a route with a happy ending: Ride to alki (making sure you make a lot of illegal turns and running as many stop signs as possible), then into the water. Keep going.
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Really you just have to be someone who only feels assertive or has any power whatsoever when there is a SHITLOAD OF OTHER PEOPLE to do it with you.
Don't we usually call those types "sheep" ???
Don't we usually call those types "sheep" ???
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Here's an idea:
How about getting onto the I 5 going north. It's usually pretty blocked after work on fridays, so the motorists will not mind being blocked some more, by the cyclists.
Try to spread out and block all lanes, too.
In fact, take a break, sit down and have a smoke.
Enjoy your ride!
How about getting onto the I 5 going north. It's usually pretty blocked after work on fridays, so the motorists will not mind being blocked some more, by the cyclists.
Try to spread out and block all lanes, too.
In fact, take a break, sit down and have a smoke.
Enjoy your ride!
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You don't need to be an asshole to join, but by joining you BECOME an asshole.
I'm glad I'll be riding home after you Critical Massholes are off the streets, I hate being mistaken for one of you.
I'm glad I'll be riding home after you Critical Massholes are off the streets, I hate being mistaken for one of you.
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Where are the motorcycle and bicycle cops during this? Share the road and share the traffic-violations citations! Every last one of them should leave with a couple hundred dollar traffic fines!
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I'll be there. Just to piss off the more cowardly sheeple on Slog who have nothing better to whine about than a few more minutes stuck in traffic than a usual Friday.
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OMG cyclists are making people wait a couple minutes once a month! I'm gonna have a heart attack and bitch and moan like a prissy whiner!
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#10 and #11 I'll send you the late fees the daycare charges when I can't pick my kids up on time because of these losers
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@9, ruthw. I have often wondered why SPD doesn't look upon Critical Mass as one big income source. Could probably fund at least 5 or 6 massage parlor busts!
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@11 Riding up the viaduct and 99 all the way past the aurora bridge makes people wait more than a couple of minutes.
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Correction, you need to be willing to insist on your rights and take action, and not let those who abuse their driving privilege to own the roads YOU paid for.
And be wary of county cops - they hate Seattle.
And be wary of county cops - they hate Seattle.
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@11 You know what's funny is that they never make me wait at all. I am never near this and it doesn't effect my traffic getting home from work, plus I take the bus.
And it wouldn't be so annoying if it was an actual protest with a collective agenda. If these people could actually agree upon why they were doing it and make an actual statement about it. Perhaps get permits to occupy the roads the way that they do, like most legitimate protesters with a collective voice...
But no ... they can't agree on why they are doing it. Most of them probably just like to follow the leader ... they don't make any statements .... their idea of 'fun' is intentionally pissing people, as if it is going to make any difference.
I am not angry at them for what they are doing. I am angry with them for wasting their chance at making an actual statement. Instead they're just pissing people off and creating an aggressive dislike of bikers around the city.
And it wouldn't be so annoying if it was an actual protest with a collective agenda. If these people could actually agree upon why they were doing it and make an actual statement about it. Perhaps get permits to occupy the roads the way that they do, like most legitimate protesters with a collective voice...
But no ... they can't agree on why they are doing it. Most of them probably just like to follow the leader ... they don't make any statements .... their idea of 'fun' is intentionally pissing people, as if it is going to make any difference.
I am not angry at them for what they are doing. I am angry with them for wasting their chance at making an actual statement. Instead they're just pissing people off and creating an aggressive dislike of bikers around the city.
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Honestly I don't know what all the bitching is about, they're not hurting anyone, and if you joined them you wouldn't feel inconvenienced. It's a healthy mode of transportation as far as I'm concern and the group aspect of it makes it seem more secure. If I had a one I'd join them.
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I hope they enjoy their once a month excursion off their insular Hill and into the outside world.
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@20 so they should have to use up paid time off from their job in order to accommodate a bunch of overprivileged douche bags with no idea how to actually make a point that people will actually listen to? Is that your argument there?
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@18 Loveschild
-Not Hurting anyone? How about the hours of backed up traffic they cause which leads to job loss, extra fees for parents trying to get to daycare, etc.
-Healthy? Maybe for the riders, but not for the extra pollution caused by all the cars idling forever while the roads clear.
-Secure? Only because they know as assholes that if they stick together they can not get hurt. However they are wrong. All it takes it one asshole with a grudge to run them down.
-If you had one? I hardly think your fat ignorant ass* could even ride a bike let alone acquire one.
*I will admit I assume you are fat. It just seems to fall in line with everything else about you.
-Not Hurting anyone? How about the hours of backed up traffic they cause which leads to job loss, extra fees for parents trying to get to daycare, etc.
-Healthy? Maybe for the riders, but not for the extra pollution caused by all the cars idling forever while the roads clear.
-Secure? Only because they know as assholes that if they stick together they can not get hurt. However they are wrong. All it takes it one asshole with a grudge to run them down.
-If you had one? I hardly think your fat ignorant ass* could even ride a bike let alone acquire one.
*I will admit I assume you are fat. It just seems to fall in line with everything else about you.
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@13 SPD has spent lots of time and money following CM in the past. They've taken bikes. They've even issued tickets, many of which have been dismissed when challenged. They have also corked intersections on a few rides (namely rides that occur after one that did have problems).
They seemingly have come to the realization that CM doesn't pose much of a safety threat. They have enough problems with drivers talking on phones while blowing throw red lights *every day of the month*.
They seemingly have come to the realization that CM doesn't pose much of a safety threat. They have enough problems with drivers talking on phones while blowing throw red lights *every day of the month*.
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@22 omg, are you fucking kidding me?!
"How about the hours of backed up traffic they cause which leads to job loss, extra fees for parents trying to get to daycare, etc. ... not for the extra pollution caused by all the cars idling forever while the roads clear."
You make an excuse to not hold sporting events and huge concerts, and possibly to only allow x number of cars into the downtown core. Guess what? There's pollution and backed up traffic EVERY DAY. Why are you so concerned about a one hour monthly ride and not concerned about what happens at all other hours?
"How about the hours of backed up traffic they cause which leads to job loss, extra fees for parents trying to get to daycare, etc. ... not for the extra pollution caused by all the cars idling forever while the roads clear."
You make an excuse to not hold sporting events and huge concerts, and possibly to only allow x number of cars into the downtown core. Guess what? There's pollution and backed up traffic EVERY DAY. Why are you so concerned about a one hour monthly ride and not concerned about what happens at all other hours?
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@21 I can't even begin to imagine why anyone would call a bicyclist an over privileged douchebag over the dude in their car ranting and raving on a blog about the twenty minutes of friday afternoon TV watchin' time they missed out on.
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@17: "Instead they're just pissing people off and creating an aggressive dislike of bikers around the city."
Not true. The people on the sidewalks (and sometimes in cars) who smile and wave back when they see the mass go by don't seem pissed off at all. They seem entertained and happy to see such a site. Maybe ride along sometime and get a different perspective. Or just keep sitting at your keyboard and type out falsehoods.
Not true. The people on the sidewalks (and sometimes in cars) who smile and wave back when they see the mass go by don't seem pissed off at all. They seem entertained and happy to see such a site. Maybe ride along sometime and get a different perspective. Or just keep sitting at your keyboard and type out falsehoods.
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@16: Correction, you need to be willing to insist on your rights and take action, and not let those who abuse their...privilege to own the roads YOU paid for.
Applies to the drivers and pedestrians who get "corked" too.
Applies to the drivers and pedestrians who get "corked" too.
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Critical Mass makes life more dangerous for every biker in Seattle -- even the bikers who refuse to participate.
Thanks, assholes.
Thanks, assholes.
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I look forward to SLOG comments about Critical Mass every month.
Don't let me down people. Let's GET CRAZY!!!
Don't let me down people. Let's GET CRAZY!!!
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@23 As opposed to cyclists talking on cell phones, blowing through lights and stop signs, and riding next to each other while chatting instead of looking where they're going, none of which are the least bit of a safety threat.
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please do another extremely stupid thing this week to up the chances of one or more of you CM assholes dying
thanks in advance
thanks in advance
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@24 stinkbug,
I have equal hate for the traffic caused by sporting events as well. You should have seen me get stuck last night trying to leave West Seattle to get to south 99 when a train fucked that up at the same time a mariners game got out. Talk about giant cluster fuck.
My point is, regular traffic back ups? Those are expected. But to cause one ON PURPOSE? Thats what chaps my hide so much. Critical Mass riders care not for the devastation they leave in their smug path. They would create a much greater symbol if they actually obeyed the law: rode side by side only 2 deep, stopped at lights and didn't cause traffic problems. I have no problem with them doing their thing, just do it right. But of course, they are self entitlement pussies who would never actually do something properly, that requires a brain and some effort.
I have equal hate for the traffic caused by sporting events as well. You should have seen me get stuck last night trying to leave West Seattle to get to south 99 when a train fucked that up at the same time a mariners game got out. Talk about giant cluster fuck.
My point is, regular traffic back ups? Those are expected. But to cause one ON PURPOSE? Thats what chaps my hide so much. Critical Mass riders care not for the devastation they leave in their smug path. They would create a much greater symbol if they actually obeyed the law: rode side by side only 2 deep, stopped at lights and didn't cause traffic problems. I have no problem with them doing their thing, just do it right. But of course, they are self entitlement pussies who would never actually do something properly, that requires a brain and some effort.
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EVERYONE WHO HATES CRITICAL MASS ASSHOLES..
Here is something we all must do.
PROTEST THE CASCADE BICYCLE CLUB. CALL THEM. DEMAND THEY CONDEMN CRITICAL MASS.
(206) 522-BIKE (3222)
Executive Director Chuck Ayers (206) 523-9495
They've got 11,000 members. They pretend to care about bike safety. And yet, they refuse to take a stand on the event that causes more animosity and danger to ordinary, non-provoking bikers than anything else.
Don't let immature asswipes like Christopher Frizzelle put you at risk every time you ride your bike.
"On the subject of Critical Mass, Cascade supports the right of cyclists to assemble and ride whenever and wherever they choose. However, we do not condone violating traffic codes or ordinances."
Talk about PUSSIES!!!! And WHY does this organization deserve ANY support from anybody who believes in bicycle rights and safety??
CALL THEM. DEMAND THEY TAKE A STAND. DO NOT SUPPORT THEM UNLESS THEY DO.
Here is something we all must do.
PROTEST THE CASCADE BICYCLE CLUB. CALL THEM. DEMAND THEY CONDEMN CRITICAL MASS.
(206) 522-BIKE (3222)
Executive Director Chuck Ayers (206) 523-9495
They've got 11,000 members. They pretend to care about bike safety. And yet, they refuse to take a stand on the event that causes more animosity and danger to ordinary, non-provoking bikers than anything else.
Don't let immature asswipes like Christopher Frizzelle put you at risk every time you ride your bike.
"On the subject of Critical Mass, Cascade supports the right of cyclists to assemble and ride whenever and wherever they choose. However, we do not condone violating traffic codes or ordinances."
Talk about PUSSIES!!!! And WHY does this organization deserve ANY support from anybody who believes in bicycle rights and safety??
CALL THEM. DEMAND THEY TAKE A STAND. DO NOT SUPPORT THEM UNLESS THEY DO.
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I support doing stuff "just for fun", but when you have to put it under the guise of "we're tryina change laws, y'all" and still ignore the ones you already got in your favor...
I don't care though. Keep harassing drivers. This conflict is primarily car vs. bike. If you come for the pedestrians, though...
I don't care though. Keep harassing drivers. This conflict is primarily car vs. bike. If you come for the pedestrians, though...
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22 It's not hurting anyone, it's a once in month large scale socializing event. People like you can make plans ahead of time to join or get outta of the way.
And sorry to disappoint you but your assumption of my physique which I'm sure comes from your racist ass since many with your same proclivity share those thoughts, is incorrect. It's nice to know that characters like you wont be there, that makes me want to join them, maybe I'll get one for the next.
And sorry to disappoint you but your assumption of my physique which I'm sure comes from your racist ass since many with your same proclivity share those thoughts, is incorrect. It's nice to know that characters like you wont be there, that makes me want to join them, maybe I'll get one for the next.
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@40 it's hurting ME. it makes drivers hate bikers. and that means it's more dangerous for me to ride my bike.
critical mass is counterproductive and puts normal bikers at risk, even the ones who don't participate.
critical mass is counterproductive and puts normal bikers at risk, even the ones who don't participate.
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Every time I've done a Critical Mass (once or twice a year), 95% of the response we get on the street is positive. No kidding. Maybe this is because people are scared of inciting mobs on the street. Then, after waving and smiling, they hurry home to the internet and post their spiteful bile, calling for the death of a bicyclist or two. Guess that makes you feel better?
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Hey, if you stupid fucking idiots want to commit suicide by car, it's OK with me. The world could use a few less of you jackasses anyway. Just don't come here crying about it after it happens.
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Hey its just a bunch of adult children that are mad at their dads and got made fun of in high school and like to make cars sit and idle downtown and let the exhaust waft into my apartment, God I love CM!
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too bad for all you blow hards, the city, and vast majority of citizens realize that CM is not dangerous or a significant burden to motorists, commerce, or anything else compared to congestion from lazy people who drive. CM has been happening for decades all over the world despite a small number of people freaking out.
Those saying that CM makes cycling more dangerous have zero basis for that claim. it's not as if cyclists were respected till CM came along or as if cities that don't have CM are safer for cyclists. you are just trying to justify your own hate with bogus arguments.
Blow hard you blowhards, and give yourself a heart attack over this if you really want, but you are just being a whiny little bitch for no good reason and the rest of the world doesn't give a shit about your hot air.
Those saying that CM makes cycling more dangerous have zero basis for that claim. it's not as if cyclists were respected till CM came along or as if cities that don't have CM are safer for cyclists. you are just trying to justify your own hate with bogus arguments.
Blow hard you blowhards, and give yourself a heart attack over this if you really want, but you are just being a whiny little bitch for no good reason and the rest of the world doesn't give a shit about your hot air.
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It's a good thing this is simple hooliganism and not an actual movement with some kind of coherent policy message. As it stands, Critical Mass only turns public opinion against bicyclists in a vague way, and doesn't have a solid organization for the backlash to focus on.
It's hilarious to read these comments and see the stray "I don't know what all of you people are talking about, the public *loves* us." So far, with 29 comments before me, we have:
17 non-participants who think participants are jerks
4 participants who think it's just fine
1 non-participant who thinks it's just fine (but who would like ot participate)
7 tangential comments without direct opinion
Yeah, the public loves you guys. It's just a statistical fluke that the only people here who think you're not assholes are yourselves (and one wanna-be).
If you want to engage in asshatery, fine. Maybe you'll graduate to vandalism one day. Just don't pretend that it's some kind of harmless event. You folks are no different the assholes who make public transit so unpleasant, except they have the guts and honesty to pride themselves on being thugs and not giving a damn about anyone else. It's the height of passive aggressive pussy-dom to turn around and claim that you're not fucking with peoples' lives when you know damned well that you are.
It's hilarious to read these comments and see the stray "I don't know what all of you people are talking about, the public *loves* us." So far, with 29 comments before me, we have:
17 non-participants who think participants are jerks
4 participants who think it's just fine
1 non-participant who thinks it's just fine (but who would like ot participate)
7 tangential comments without direct opinion
Yeah, the public loves you guys. It's just a statistical fluke that the only people here who think you're not assholes are yourselves (and one wanna-be).
If you want to engage in asshatery, fine. Maybe you'll graduate to vandalism one day. Just don't pretend that it's some kind of harmless event. You folks are no different the assholes who make public transit so unpleasant, except they have the guts and honesty to pride themselves on being thugs and not giving a damn about anyone else. It's the height of passive aggressive pussy-dom to turn around and claim that you're not fucking with peoples' lives when you know damned well that you are.
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and also:
does anyone know exactly how much CM affects others' attitude towards bicycling in general. It started more than 20 years ago, yet bicycling in general is much more respected now than at any point in the recent past. If it was true that every critical mass set back bicycle advocacy, there wouldn't be so many bicycle programs all over the country: bike lanes, bike paths, sharrows, city bike maps, politicians talking about how great bikes would be.
If it were true that CM set back bicycle advocacy to the degree you all seem to think, bicycles would have been banned from the roadways years ago, right? Cities wouldn't be stumbling all over themselves to build more bike infrastructure.
does anyone know exactly how much CM affects others' attitude towards bicycling in general. It started more than 20 years ago, yet bicycling in general is much more respected now than at any point in the recent past. If it was true that every critical mass set back bicycle advocacy, there wouldn't be so many bicycle programs all over the country: bike lanes, bike paths, sharrows, city bike maps, politicians talking about how great bikes would be.
If it were true that CM set back bicycle advocacy to the degree you all seem to think, bicycles would have been banned from the roadways years ago, right? Cities wouldn't be stumbling all over themselves to build more bike infrastructure.
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@43 it's the 5% that I worry about.
Thanks for making my bike ride to work every day more dangerous. You're doing your little part to ensure bicyclists get a bit less respect and a bit more rage directed their way.
Your little Friday ride is putting ALL bicyclists in more danger. I guess that makes you feel better.
Thanks for making my bike ride to work every day more dangerous. You're doing your little part to ensure bicyclists get a bit less respect and a bit more rage directed their way.
Your little Friday ride is putting ALL bicyclists in more danger. I guess that makes you feel better.
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@22:
So, who should take the blame for the hours of traffic backups, increased pollution, lost wages, day-care late fees, etc., etc. on the OTHER 27 - 30 days of the month?
Seriously, did a social psychologist perform some sort of mass Pavlovian Response experiment on all the drivers around here? Because the ONLY time anyone ever seems to bitch about the shitty state of traffic in Seattle is on the last Friday of the month; like all of you get some sort of spontaneous outbreak of CMS.
Maybe you should do like the ladies do in that case: take a fistfull of Advils, and put a hot compress over your crotch or something until the cramping goes away.
So, who should take the blame for the hours of traffic backups, increased pollution, lost wages, day-care late fees, etc., etc. on the OTHER 27 - 30 days of the month?
Seriously, did a social psychologist perform some sort of mass Pavlovian Response experiment on all the drivers around here? Because the ONLY time anyone ever seems to bitch about the shitty state of traffic in Seattle is on the last Friday of the month; like all of you get some sort of spontaneous outbreak of CMS.
Maybe you should do like the ladies do in that case: take a fistfull of Advils, and put a hot compress over your crotch or something until the cramping goes away.
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@48 nails it...
"It's the height of passive aggressive pussy-dom to turn around and claim that you're not fucking with peoples' lives when you know damned well that you are."
I think it's disgusting that the Editor of the Stranger cheerleads this disgusting behavior more than anyone else here.
Christopher you're making life for normal bikers in the city more difficult!! Is that really what you want?
"It's the height of passive aggressive pussy-dom to turn around and claim that you're not fucking with peoples' lives when you know damned well that you are."
I think it's disgusting that the Editor of the Stranger cheerleads this disgusting behavior more than anyone else here.
Christopher you're making life for normal bikers in the city more difficult!! Is that really what you want?
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@50 the sheer stupidity of your logic tell us everything we need to know about the intelligence of critical mass participants.
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Oh goody! I can't wait to be edumacated on my wasteful, bus-riding ways!
Yay for altruistic bicyclists who will show me my grievous errors!!
Yay for altruistic bicyclists who will show me my grievous errors!!
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Guess what? There's pollution and backed up traffic EVERY DAY. Why are you so concerned about a one hour monthly ride and not concerned about what happens at all other hours?
Guess what? Those other events aren't used as an excuse to break traffic laws, and when they are, the organizers have the decency to GET A PERMIT and pay a fee. Unlike the Critical Massholes, who evidently can't be bothered to follow the fucking rules like every other organizer of street events because it would, like, totally harsh their buzz and be a concession to The Man, or something.
You're children. Your rationalizations are transparent.
Guess what? Those other events aren't used as an excuse to break traffic laws, and when they are, the organizers have the decency to GET A PERMIT and pay a fee. Unlike the Critical Massholes, who evidently can't be bothered to follow the fucking rules like every other organizer of street events because it would, like, totally harsh their buzz and be a concession to The Man, or something.
You're children. Your rationalizations are transparent.
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COMMENT DELETED: Critical Mass-Haterhole
We here at Slog never delete comments based on ideology, degree of sexual maturity, or musical taste. But really, the whole Critical Mass-Haterhole thing is really getting played out. Get over yourselves, haterholes.
We here at Slog never delete comments based on ideology, degree of sexual maturity, or musical taste. But really, the whole Critical Mass-Haterhole thing is really getting played out. Get over yourselves, haterholes.
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For fuck's sake, Frizzelle, how many times do you have to post this? Are you trying to win a bet on how many comments you can generate from the same goddamn thing?
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@25 and @26 For the record I don't like overprivileged douche bag assholes in their cars either. I take the bus and walk (or, yes, carpool on occasion) everywhere I go. I think people choosing to ride their bikes are awesome.
Again, the CM riders don't effect my ride home. I get home at the same time even when they are doing their little circle jerk. My main anger towards the CM riders are that they have no agenda. Not what they are doing. Their idea of "organization" is to meet in one spot and follow the leader from there. They don't make any statements. And if you honestly believe that the increase in bike lanes and bicycle awareness has absolutely anything to do with the CM riders you are just ignorantly trying to justify your spoiled city joy ride.
Again, the CM riders don't effect my ride home. I get home at the same time even when they are doing their little circle jerk. My main anger towards the CM riders are that they have no agenda. Not what they are doing. Their idea of "organization" is to meet in one spot and follow the leader from there. They don't make any statements. And if you honestly believe that the increase in bike lanes and bicycle awareness has absolutely anything to do with the CM riders you are just ignorantly trying to justify your spoiled city joy ride.
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I am heading downtown for my boyfriend's birthday. We have reservations for 6 at Troani. I am bringing a bat if anyone tries to fuck up our date, which he have planned since May.
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For all the people saying "people on the streets are positive" are you forgetting you're in Seattle? Just assume everyone who isn't actually responding to you hates your fucking ass, because people around here are fucking insanely polite. For example, I've never shouted obscenities at y'all, yet that's what I feel. And I'm a rude New Englander.
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@50
bicycling has moved ahead inspite of CM not because of it. You're an embarassment and make it harder for those of us who ride to and from work everyday even if we have the money to drive. People on sidewalks and in cars smile and wave at you because they think you're part of an organized ride raising money for charity or something, if they knew what was really going on they'd give you the finger or ignore you. Aside from the bicyclest you humilate hardly anybody is aware of the "statement" you claim to be making.
bicycling has moved ahead inspite of CM not because of it. You're an embarassment and make it harder for those of us who ride to and from work everyday even if we have the money to drive. People on sidewalks and in cars smile and wave at you because they think you're part of an organized ride raising money for charity or something, if they knew what was really going on they'd give you the finger or ignore you. Aside from the bicyclest you humilate hardly anybody is aware of the "statement" you claim to be making.
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I personally love bicycles and bicycling and depending on what my work demands are that day, and the weather, I will often bike to work and you will certainly find me on my bike on weekends. However, even as a bicyclist I can see that Critical Mass does nothing except create more animosity between drivers and bicyclists. Disrupting (and no, it’s not only by a few minutes) Friday rush hour traffic blatantly antagonistic. If that's the end result you all are aiming for, pat yourselves on the back because you've done a great job. If that's not your aim and you would rather create a positive dynamic between drivers and cyclists, it's time to start thinking of a new tactic. One easy and immediate thing we can all do is obey traffic rules (I do, and every time I bike I get positive feedback…or maybe it’s my bike shorts?). It’s highly effective. To the guy above who said he get 95% positive response when riding with CM, maybe you’re deluded by your fellow CM’er masturbatory aggrandizement.
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@61: Oh, so likely you'll be using your bat on car drivers? You're aware of the repaving on 2nd? And the expo at qwest field? And the Storm game at keyarena? Can you videotape your actions?
Here's a challenge to all you car drivers. For a month, keep track of all minutes that you're stuck in or slowed down by traffic. Make sure to attribute the source of the traffic (car, bike, drawbridge, bus, train, etc.). If you find you rack up more than 7 minutes attributed to CM and can prove it, I'll buy you a cookie.
Here's a challenge to all you car drivers. For a month, keep track of all minutes that you're stuck in or slowed down by traffic. Make sure to attribute the source of the traffic (car, bike, drawbridge, bus, train, etc.). If you find you rack up more than 7 minutes attributed to CM and can prove it, I'll buy you a cookie.
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"People on sidewalks and in cars smile and wave at you because they think you're part of an organized ride raising money for charity or something, if they knew what was really going on they'd give you the finger or ignore you."
Reality: people sometimes ask what the ride is about and they are told what it's about (often someone will pause riding and tell them or else hand them a flyer). Some specifically say "Is this critical mass?!" and then they smile. What you wrote is just wrong.
"Disrupting (and no, it’s not only by a few minutes) Friday rush hour traffic blatantly antagonistic."
Lately, the rides haven't even begun until after 6pm (last month it was at 6:15pm). The streets were rather empty then compared with 4:30pm, 5pm, or 5:30pm. Friday at 6:30pm isn't generally that crowded.
Reality: people sometimes ask what the ride is about and they are told what it's about (often someone will pause riding and tell them or else hand them a flyer). Some specifically say "Is this critical mass?!" and then they smile. What you wrote is just wrong.
"Disrupting (and no, it’s not only by a few minutes) Friday rush hour traffic blatantly antagonistic."
Lately, the rides haven't even begun until after 6pm (last month it was at 6:15pm). The streets were rather empty then compared with 4:30pm, 5pm, or 5:30pm. Friday at 6:30pm isn't generally that crowded.
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Thanks for the reminder, slog. I always look forward to the one day of the month that I can get flipped off for having the AUDACITY to ride a city bus.
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@66: What gives you the right to take up even 7 minutes of thousands of peoples' time? Is it cool if I hang out by your place and barricade your door when you're leaving for work, as long as I keep it to 7 minutes (or give you a cookie if it's actually 30 minutes)?
There are lots of traffic problems in Seattle. That doesn't make it ok to make them worse.
Tell me: do you think the purpose of Critical Mass is to piss people off? If not, what do you think the purpose *is*? I think the sole purpose is irritating large numbers of drivers. But you think it's unreasonable for drivers to be irritated at all. So what do you think the purpose actually is?
There are lots of traffic problems in Seattle. That doesn't make it ok to make them worse.
Tell me: do you think the purpose of Critical Mass is to piss people off? If not, what do you think the purpose *is*? I think the sole purpose is irritating large numbers of drivers. But you think it's unreasonable for drivers to be irritated at all. So what do you think the purpose actually is?
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@66 I am still confused as to how statements like "what's a few more minutes stuck in traffic" do anything to further your cause or make significant change in our city?
Again, the CM riders don't effect my personal trip and I don't drive to and from work ever.
But I would fully support y'all if you were legitimate protesters with a legitimate statement to make that you all AGREED upon. But you're not ... and you don't ... so you back up traffic and act like aggressive douche bags for absolutely no reason. YOU personally might have a reason, yet you don't even see how all the douche baggary going on around you completely illegitimizes your personal motivations.
And, come on, if you really only backed up traffic for a measly 7 minutes would you really be making a big enough "stink" or "difference" to be pissing people off and/or proving anything?
If you're all so legitimate then why not get permits for protest? Why not have a cohesive argument for what you are doing? Why allow people who only join the ride "for fun" and "to piss drivers off" into the ride in the first place?
Again, the CM riders don't effect my personal trip and I don't drive to and from work ever.
But I would fully support y'all if you were legitimate protesters with a legitimate statement to make that you all AGREED upon. But you're not ... and you don't ... so you back up traffic and act like aggressive douche bags for absolutely no reason. YOU personally might have a reason, yet you don't even see how all the douche baggary going on around you completely illegitimizes your personal motivations.
And, come on, if you really only backed up traffic for a measly 7 minutes would you really be making a big enough "stink" or "difference" to be pissing people off and/or proving anything?
If you're all so legitimate then why not get permits for protest? Why not have a cohesive argument for what you are doing? Why allow people who only join the ride "for fun" and "to piss drivers off" into the ride in the first place?
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@68: Show me a photo of a CM rider flipping off bus riders. I've never seen this. I can though show you video of CM moving aside and letting buses through, which is standard procedure.
@69: The 7 minutes was an arbitrary time. In a scenario where 500 bikers cork an intersection and (many) ride through a red light the mass will entirely pass by in less than 5 minutes. Riding in the street is not the same as "barricade your door". If it were then why are most of the cars allowed on the street?
@69: The 7 minutes was an arbitrary time. In a scenario where 500 bikers cork an intersection and (many) ride through a red light the mass will entirely pass by in less than 5 minutes. Riding in the street is not the same as "barricade your door". If it were then why are most of the cars allowed on the street?
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It seems like a lot of the anti-CM sentiments come down to the fact that it's not a "legal protest" (with permits, etc.). There used to be a time in Seattle when it was typical to "protest" without permits. That was a norm. That was Seattle. I guess those times are gone. Long live Ahmadinejad.
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Matt from Denver @ 59,
I think there maybe some truth to it. It is kind of a fun game, and certain topics seems to guarantee a lot of hits.
I think there maybe some truth to it. It is kind of a fun game, and certain topics seems to guarantee a lot of hits.
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@49 loveschild,
So being hateful towards ignorant bigots likes yourself makes me racist? Wow.
Guess what, if you were white, asian, pacific islander, or any other race on our planet and still spouted the same ignorant shit you do, I would still deal with you the same way.
So being hateful towards ignorant bigots likes yourself makes me racist? Wow.
Guess what, if you were white, asian, pacific islander, or any other race on our planet and still spouted the same ignorant shit you do, I would still deal with you the same way.
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@72, Critical Mass IS NOT a protest. You people would like to think it is but they have no clear agenda. All they like to do is piss people off.
Don't try to candy coat this.
Don't try to candy coat this.
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@72 What @75 said ... you have no clear agenda ... you can't even agree on why you are all doing it.
Even protests which took place in Seattle back in the day without permits had an agenda ... one that everyone participating in agreed upon ...
But way to skirt the issue at hand "LACK OF MUTUAL AGENDA AMONGST RIDERS"
Even protests which took place in Seattle back in the day without permits had an agenda ... one that everyone participating in agreed upon ...
But way to skirt the issue at hand "LACK OF MUTUAL AGENDA AMONGST RIDERS"
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@71: Sure, you're intentionally preventing people from going about their business. It's no different than if I pile furniture outside your door without warning when you want to go out. Oh, hey, I wasn't trying to *irritate* you, I just like blocking doorways. If it's more than 7 minutes (and you can prove it), I'll give you a cookie. That is *exactly* what you sound like to anyone not wrapped up in the event.
If there were permits and a planned route, your argument would hold water, because it could be avoided with planning. But the entire point of not planning and not getting permits is precisely to ruin some drivers' commutes home. I'll ask you again: what do you think the purpose of CM is, if not to disrupt traffic and irritate drivers?
I don't mind the thuggery; I actually kind of like it. It's the disingenuousness and dishonesty that's so offensive. Just say: "Yeah, we're screwing with drivers, I hope some people miss trains or flights or meetings, fuck those people and their cars, we're going to bring this city to a standstill!" Then I'd channel my adolescent anarchist and cheer you on.
But it's gutless in the extreme to be intentionally disruptive with no coherent purpose, then to deny the intent is to be disruptive, then to claim that it's unreasonable for people to be irritated by your oh-so-innocent behavior.
If there were permits and a planned route, your argument would hold water, because it could be avoided with planning. But the entire point of not planning and not getting permits is precisely to ruin some drivers' commutes home. I'll ask you again: what do you think the purpose of CM is, if not to disrupt traffic and irritate drivers?
I don't mind the thuggery; I actually kind of like it. It's the disingenuousness and dishonesty that's so offensive. Just say: "Yeah, we're screwing with drivers, I hope some people miss trains or flights or meetings, fuck those people and their cars, we're going to bring this city to a standstill!" Then I'd channel my adolescent anarchist and cheer you on.
But it's gutless in the extreme to be intentionally disruptive with no coherent purpose, then to deny the intent is to be disruptive, then to claim that it's unreasonable for people to be irritated by your oh-so-innocent behavior.
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@71 Sorry, I don't document everything I do and see, my bad. I guess it didn't happen. Contrary to what you say, our bus had to sit through 5 cycles of the light while you all ran the red light, not letting us through. But since I don't have video, it didn't happen...
Bottom line, whatever the motives/behavior of individual participants may be, Critical Mass' PR sucks.
Bottom line, whatever the motives/behavior of individual participants may be, Critical Mass' PR sucks.
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"I guess those times are gone. Long live Ahmadinejad."
You're seriously comparing this to Iran? You are such a piece of shit.
You're seriously comparing this to Iran? You are such a piece of shit.
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@67 the person you're talking to on the street who smiles at you...they're afraid of you. Crazy people go up to people on the street all the time, you just smile because you're not sure what they're going to do. Slog readers are the people in the world most likely to not object to what you're doing and look at the reception you get here. Grow up.
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@81: *sigh*, I'm not talking about people smiling *because* someone else comes up to them. I was talking about scenarios in which someone is standing along on a sidewalk and smiling at seeing a group of semi-yahoos bike by. And then someone tells them what's going on.
It's amazing that so many anti-CM people here are experts on CM. Chances are that most of the haters in this thread have witnessed just a sliver, in any, of the 125+ CM rides in Seattle.
Continue to type away, it's funny.
It's amazing that so many anti-CM people here are experts on CM. Chances are that most of the haters in this thread have witnessed just a sliver, in any, of the 125+ CM rides in Seattle.
Continue to type away, it's funny.
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@80 Why can't you enlighten us as what your agenda is? Why do you retort every comment accept the accusation that Critical Massers have no clear, coherent, or shared agenda amongst the participants?
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@83 Stinkbug,
You are correct, I haven't witnessed that many actual CM rides. Because I am smart enough to either leave early or stay late in town when you assholes fuck up the whole city.
So yes please, enlighten us as to what your noble cause is by causing so much hate and anguish.
You are correct, I haven't witnessed that many actual CM rides. Because I am smart enough to either leave early or stay late in town when you assholes fuck up the whole city.
So yes please, enlighten us as to what your noble cause is by causing so much hate and anguish.
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@84: I don't know what the agenda is for all CM riders. It's a chance to get together and have a fun leisurely ride, sometimes through areas that would normally be unsafe if riding along. Some people just like the social aspect, some people like reminding car commuters that bikes are out there, etc. Feel free to show up at Westlake and ask people there why they're riding.
But yes, there's is no unified "we want more bike lanes" agenda or something like that. Is that a necessity?
But yes, there's is no unified "we want more bike lanes" agenda or something like that. Is that a necessity?
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@85: "fuck up the whole city."
Oh, please. CM doesn't have that power.
Here's what "fucks up the whole city":
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo…
Oh, please. CM doesn't have that power.
Here's what "fucks up the whole city":
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo…
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@87
So the point is that its okay to fuck things up on purpose just so a small number of you can have a good time?
And you wonder why we look down on this.
So the point is that its okay to fuck things up on purpose just so a small number of you can have a good time?
And you wonder why we look down on this.
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@86 You don't think it's a necessity? You don't think that 'having fun' and having a 'leisurely ride' at the expense of others is an incredibly selfish justification for what you're doing? You may not think that where other people are trying to get to (cars, pedestrians, bus riders alike) is very important, but your lack of empathy for others is certainly not a genuine justification for what you're doing. All that means is that you don't care. It certainly doesn't justify your actions or make them more legitimate or worthy of mass support. 125 riders? That's it?!?! How many bike owners and regular bike riders are there in Seattle? A fuck of a lot more than 125 ... that means that far more bike riders in Seattle DON'T SUPPORT you than those that do.
Unfortunately if you want MY support (which I am sure you could care less one way or the other) yeah, it is a necessity. Acting like it is family day at the Zoo, just makes you sound like a spoiled brat.
Unfortunately if you want MY support (which I am sure you could care less one way or the other) yeah, it is a necessity. Acting like it is family day at the Zoo, just makes you sound like a spoiled brat.
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@89: I said 125+ *ride*, not "riders". Please re-read.
Also, you imply that no one (drivers, pedestrians) should be allowed downtown if they are just having a "leisurely ride" (or walk). Clarify please. Thanks.
Also, you imply that no one (drivers, pedestrians) should be allowed downtown if they are just having a "leisurely ride" (or walk). Clarify please. Thanks.
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Take what ever kind of leisurely ride you want as long as you do the following:
-Do not break normal traffic laws.
-Do not let your leisurely ride impede or affect others.
How fucking hard is that?
-Do not break normal traffic laws.
-Do not let your leisurely ride impede or affect others.
How fucking hard is that?
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As a bike commuter, I have always wanted to stage an "Anti-Critical Mass." That's when everyone who usually bikes everwhere gets behind the wheel of a car (borrowed, rented, U-Haul, whatever) at rush hour on the last Friday of every month. Then we could show the douch-bag car drivers what the fucking city would be like every fucking day if there weren't people willing to bike rather than drive.
Maybe then you stupid fucksticks would stop complaing when we went back to a regular CM.
Maybe then you stupid fucksticks would stop complaing when we went back to a regular CM.
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Nope, wouldn't work renbot. Because the effect would be the same.
You assholes are fucking things up on purpose because you think its cool.
You assholes are fucking things up on purpose because you think its cool.
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On the other hand, you do need to be an asshole to comment in Slog. (Most commenters are douchebaggery as can be, including me!)
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@90 Well I guess that "+" could signify infinity and beyond for you, so why qualify it with 125 at all? Still, not a very strong show of support from the Seattle biking community.
So, exactly, how do I imply that "no one (drivers, pedestrians) should be allowed downtown if they are just having a "leisurely ride" (or walk)"
Leisurely is your word. Leisurely is a word that means that you are doing something at your own convenience. There is nothing in the definition of Leisurely which says "at your own convenience, and, of course, at the expensive and or inconvenience of others" I was quoting your use of the term leisurely, not reinventing. If you just wanted to take a leisurely ride on your bike you wouldn't need a set time and place to meet up with 125+ riders to follow around.
If it was all about enjoying a leisurely ride then one of the main objectives would not be about fucking with other commuters on the roads.
Most people having a leisurely walk, ride, drive, whatever do so as a private venture, not as a means of publicly fucking with people.
You turn your fun and your leisurely activities into something with the explicit intention of fucking with other people. That is quite different.
So, whereas, you are right it is perfectly okay to enjoy leisurely activities on YOUR OWN TIME downtown, you should also realize that I where I was chastising your argument was where you were doing so at the expense of other people.
So, exactly, how do I imply that "no one (drivers, pedestrians) should be allowed downtown if they are just having a "leisurely ride" (or walk)"
Leisurely is your word. Leisurely is a word that means that you are doing something at your own convenience. There is nothing in the definition of Leisurely which says "at your own convenience, and, of course, at the expensive and or inconvenience of others" I was quoting your use of the term leisurely, not reinventing. If you just wanted to take a leisurely ride on your bike you wouldn't need a set time and place to meet up with 125+ riders to follow around.
If it was all about enjoying a leisurely ride then one of the main objectives would not be about fucking with other commuters on the roads.
Most people having a leisurely walk, ride, drive, whatever do so as a private venture, not as a means of publicly fucking with people.
You turn your fun and your leisurely activities into something with the explicit intention of fucking with other people. That is quite different.
So, whereas, you are right it is perfectly okay to enjoy leisurely activities on YOUR OWN TIME downtown, you should also realize that I where I was chastising your argument was where you were doing so at the expense of other people.
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@92: Excellent point. The people involved are jerks, regardless of the particular vehicles they use to blockade city streets.
Someone needs to organize a monthly motorcycle rally on the Bert Gilman trail. You know, just for fun. It'd be harmless if the stupid bikers could just chill out and learn to appreciate all the days when it didn't happen. I mean, motorcyclists pay taxes for the upkeep of the trail, right? And you'd hear them coming a mile away, so it would only disrupt pedestrians and bikes for a few minutes.
That's gotta be kosher to do without permits or warning, right?
Someone needs to organize a monthly motorcycle rally on the Bert Gilman trail. You know, just for fun. It'd be harmless if the stupid bikers could just chill out and learn to appreciate all the days when it didn't happen. I mean, motorcyclists pay taxes for the upkeep of the trail, right? And you'd hear them coming a mile away, so it would only disrupt pedestrians and bikes for a few minutes.
That's gotta be kosher to do without permits or warning, right?
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What would be really great is if a crowd of people on foot blocked in Critical Mass, moving at the slowest walking speed possible. We pedestrians produce even less pollution than you bicyclists, so deal with it! Of course, somehow one suspects they won't be capable of the infinite patience they demand of car drivers.
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@95: My typo in correcting your mis-reading has lead to some confusion on your part.
I originally made mention of "125+ CM rides". That's "rides", not "riders" as you originally read it as.
I then corrected you by referring to "125+ ride" when I meant to type "125+ rides".
CM has been going on in Seattle since before '96. The world hasn't ended. Many enjoyable rides have taken place. Blah blah blah.
I originally made mention of "125+ CM rides". That's "rides", not "riders" as you originally read it as.
I then corrected you by referring to "125+ ride" when I meant to type "125+ rides".
CM has been going on in Seattle since before '96. The world hasn't ended. Many enjoyable rides have taken place. Blah blah blah.
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@92 and 96:
You guys just don't get it. I am not suggesting getting behind the wheel of a car and ignoring traffic laws and following the same route. I just mean all bicyclists going about their day as normal, getting from point A to point B, except driving not biking.
What you don't appreciate is that your ability to drive from A to B is only possible because not everyone does it. Everyone has the right to, but some of us choose not to, and that makes any city livable. Maybe you would come to respect bikers (walkers, skaters, etc) once you realized how much their travel choices make yours possible. Except of course that car drivers are constitionally incapable of respecting anyone, even other car drivers.
You guys just don't get it. I am not suggesting getting behind the wheel of a car and ignoring traffic laws and following the same route. I just mean all bicyclists going about their day as normal, getting from point A to point B, except driving not biking.
What you don't appreciate is that your ability to drive from A to B is only possible because not everyone does it. Everyone has the right to, but some of us choose not to, and that makes any city livable. Maybe you would come to respect bikers (walkers, skaters, etc) once you realized how much their travel choices make yours possible. Except of course that car drivers are constitionally incapable of respecting anyone, even other car drivers.
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Who knew the SLOG was filled with so many road ragers? I haven't done mass in Seattle since my first mass in Vancouver, BC last May. The populace just isn't so incredibly car centric and it works better. Maybe light rail will start to turn things around in Seattle. June is bike month and the weather is nice today so the turnout should easily be ~1,000 riders. It's no Budapest CM
http://i.timeinc.net/time/potw/20070927/… but it'll do.
http://i.timeinc.net/time/potw/20070927/… but it'll do.
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Maybe you would come to respect bikers (walkers, skaters, etc) once you realized how much their travel choices make yours possible.
Respect? I would come to respect bikers once they learned how to show respect for the rest of society and follow the law. But that is the one thing that the Massholes will never, ever do, apparently.
Respect? I would come to respect bikers once they learned how to show respect for the rest of society and follow the law. But that is the one thing that the Massholes will never, ever do, apparently.
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@100, whoops! That was my mistake. I take back my statement on the lack of support from the Seattle bicyclists ...
However, your reasoning, still selfish, be there no end of the world or whatever.
So we get it. You don't give a shit who is affected. You have no purpose. We don't like you, you don't care about us. Blah blah blah. We get it.
The sad part is that I would think that this was really cool, if it actually had a purpose. If it actually had positive effects on people. Mostly I would be in full support of CM if it actually had any effect on changing the car and bike relationship in this city.
Unfortunately all it does is put you all in the same category as the SUV driving road hogs who chat on their cell phones and nearly run me over in the crosswalk because what they are doing is so much more important than me.
If only so many people didn't make the argument that "My leisurely ride is more important than you."
However, your reasoning, still selfish, be there no end of the world or whatever.
So we get it. You don't give a shit who is affected. You have no purpose. We don't like you, you don't care about us. Blah blah blah. We get it.
The sad part is that I would think that this was really cool, if it actually had a purpose. If it actually had positive effects on people. Mostly I would be in full support of CM if it actually had any effect on changing the car and bike relationship in this city.
Unfortunately all it does is put you all in the same category as the SUV driving road hogs who chat on their cell phones and nearly run me over in the crosswalk because what they are doing is so much more important than me.
If only so many people didn't make the argument that "My leisurely ride is more important than you."
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oh and renbot (incase your comment was directed at me and not back at yourself)
I bus in to work from Burien and ride my bike from the bus to the job. So don't hand me this "we make it possible" bullshit.
I bus in to work from Burien and ride my bike from the bus to the job. So don't hand me this "we make it possible" bullshit.
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That's the funny thing - no one would have justifiable complaints about Critical Mass if they would simply follow the traffic laws, a la the "Critical Manners" rides found in some places. If "they ARE traffic!", as they insist, then they should stop pretending they're above it.
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exactly yup. You wouldn't hear a single peep from me if the CM rode appropriately (and even if then they caused traffic fuck ups)
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Gee, let me guess, they'll head to the safety of the Great White North or go down MLK into da valley?
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@107 & 108 - It's called RideCivil, on the 2nd Friday of every month here in Seattle.
http://www.ridecivil.com/
http://www.ridecivil.com/
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It's really nice out everyone, maybe if you got out on your bike that constipation would let up.
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Ugh, all this pissy bitterness is so depressing! Is it a Seattle phenomenon? The primary (and daily) cause of traffic problems is... cars, actually. Lighten up on the harmless bikers, for gods sake. I've never seen CM members insult others unprovoked. If someone gives you the finger, you probably did something to deserve it. If not... Jeez, I hope you never visit new York, you uptight douchebag. It's a beutiful day out there. Smile.
I'm on my way.
I'm on my way.
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@113 thanks for doing your part to piss off drivers and put me in a bit more constant danger on my daily bike ride to work.
must feel good, raising the risks for all your fellow ordinary bikers in the city.
must feel good, raising the risks for all your fellow ordinary bikers in the city.
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Ditch your car now!
Gas prices are going to make you wish it was only $4 a gallon pretty soon - by 2012 you might as well use your car as a planter.
Gas prices are going to make you wish it was only $4 a gallon pretty soon - by 2012 you might as well use your car as a planter.
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I am a harmless biker. I don't delibrately get in other people's way. I ride seven days a week, for fuin and for transportation.
Critical Mass delibrately gets in people's way. It causes harm. It's not like genocide or something, but it just makes the world a little worse for most people while it makes a very few people feel happy about...annoying other people.
Critical Mass delibrately gets in people's way. It causes harm. It's not like genocide or something, but it just makes the world a little worse for most people while it makes a very few people feel happy about...annoying other people.
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I love Critical Mass, and I just wish we did more of the rude, obnoxious, destructive stuff you're charging us with. Every month I show up hoping to smash some car windows or slash tires, maybe set a few SUV's on fire, but instead it's all peaceful and "live and let live." Someday however, I will get my way, and bikes will rule the world.
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@117 oh, that's so cute, you're saying that people are accusing you of stuff that not a single person on here has accused you of ... yet didn't take credit for that which they do accuse you of ... not following traffic laws, having 'fun' at the expense and discomfort of others, acting like entitled children, having no collective purpose, playing follow the leader, pissing people off, clogging up traffic, not caring about other people ... etc. etc.
It's okay though, we all already know that you don't care. So you don't even have to say it. We know. That's the whole point.
You're selfish children that just don't care.
And don't accuse me of being some lazy fuck who is worried about getting home to watch my shows because a.) your traffic congesting orgy doesn't do a thing to my afternoon commute b.) I take the bus and c.) I don't even own a television or a car for that matter.
I just find it profoundly disturbing that people just straight up, unapologetically do no not give a shit about other people, and yes that goes for drivers as well as bikers in the greater scheme of things, but all that does is bring you to their level, not make you better than them.
It's okay though, we all already know that you don't care. So you don't even have to say it. We know. That's the whole point.
You're selfish children that just don't care.
And don't accuse me of being some lazy fuck who is worried about getting home to watch my shows because a.) your traffic congesting orgy doesn't do a thing to my afternoon commute b.) I take the bus and c.) I don't even own a television or a car for that matter.
I just find it profoundly disturbing that people just straight up, unapologetically do no not give a shit about other people, and yes that goes for drivers as well as bikers in the greater scheme of things, but all that does is bring you to their level, not make you better than them.
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btw, I just walked through downtown and traffic is messed up (just as it was yesterday) due to the 2nd ave re-paving and other things. I'm just stating this is case people try to blame the clogging on CM, which won't even roll off for another 90 minutes.
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"only $4 a gallon pretty soon - by 2012 you might as well use your car as a planter."
Actually that will just get the poor and the sandalistas off the roads, which is fine by me. Upper middle class folks like myself can afford $10 a gallon.
Actually that will just get the poor and the sandalistas off the roads, which is fine by me. Upper middle class folks like myself can afford $10 a gallon.
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@117 I almost feel sorry for you because you're so stupid. But then I realize how selfish you are, as well, and I have no more sympathy.
Critical Mass is NOT "live and let live." It is the opposite. It is "we take joy in harming other people."
You make it more dangerous for me to ride my bike. Period. So fuck off.
Critical Mass is NOT "live and let live." It is the opposite. It is "we take joy in harming other people."
You make it more dangerous for me to ride my bike. Period. So fuck off.
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By the way I forgot to mention that I also love not following traffic laws, having 'fun' at the expense and discomfort of others, acting like an entitled child, having no collective purpose, playing follow the leader, pissing people off, clogging up traffic, and not caring about other people. So who else is coming?
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@118: read the past CM threads. Many many of the posters accused *all* CM riders of being thugs who just cause chaos.
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@119 oh good, now you can feel better about making bicycling more dangerous.
share the road? fuck no! stinkbug says screw that.
his little joy ride is more important than your day to day safety on the road.
critical mass makes drivers resent bikers. and that harms ALL bikers. period.
critical mass makes biking in the city more dangerous for everyone.
share the road? fuck no! stinkbug says screw that.
his little joy ride is more important than your day to day safety on the road.
critical mass makes drivers resent bikers. and that harms ALL bikers. period.
critical mass makes biking in the city more dangerous for everyone.
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This parade that will happen this weekend is just a bunch of selfish people having fun at the expense of others' comfort, blocking traffic, pissing people off. Humbug! The sheer DISCOMFORT of it all!
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@ 127, I'm betting that this parade this weekend has all the permits in place and won't happen during rush hour. Just sayin.
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@127 the parade is planned and permitted. it's designed to build acceptance.
critical mass is the opposite. it's designed to piss off drivers. and it does.
thanks for making it more dangerous for me to ride my bike around the city.
thanks for showing drivers that bikers are their enemy.
the thing that amazes me is just how absolutely stupid people like you are gurldoggie are. i mean did you even finish high school? are you really that DUMB??
critical mass is the opposite. it's designed to piss off drivers. and it does.
thanks for making it more dangerous for me to ride my bike around the city.
thanks for showing drivers that bikers are their enemy.
the thing that amazes me is just how absolutely stupid people like you are gurldoggie are. i mean did you even finish high school? are you really that DUMB??
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@129 I think you need a hug.
The drivers posting on this thread don't appear to need and help getting pissed off. You can nearly hear the blood vessels popping. I'm already concerned for your safety as a biker in Seattle, given this bizarre sentiment.
I don't get the sense that any of you have actually witnessed CM, since my experience with them -- both as a driver and a biker -- has been pleasant. I reference this weekend's parade, because that's how I experience the event: as a very brief sort of parade adding texture to the day. Most drivers even appear to enjoy it for the 60 seconds-or-so that it takes to pass.
Best!
The drivers posting on this thread don't appear to need and help getting pissed off. You can nearly hear the blood vessels popping. I'm already concerned for your safety as a biker in Seattle, given this bizarre sentiment.
I don't get the sense that any of you have actually witnessed CM, since my experience with them -- both as a driver and a biker -- has been pleasant. I reference this weekend's parade, because that's how I experience the event: as a very brief sort of parade adding texture to the day. Most drivers even appear to enjoy it for the 60 seconds-or-so that it takes to pass.
Best!
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god, I hate when people are out having the unsanctioned anti-"purpose driven" fun. Bunch of happy jerks enjoying life, boy it really twists my undies something fierce.
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CM has the same plight as the Republican party.
At some point, the Republicans will realize that their current game plan is rapidly losing support of the public, and they'll try something different. But at least they'll have the midterm elections to wake them up.
What will wake up CM to its growing PR problem? Their public perception is in the toilet - among bicyclists, no less. Is it wise to not care? Is it wise to make this low esteem its goal?
At some point, the Republicans will realize that their current game plan is rapidly losing support of the public, and they'll try something different. But at least they'll have the midterm elections to wake them up.
What will wake up CM to its growing PR problem? Their public perception is in the toilet - among bicyclists, no less. Is it wise to not care? Is it wise to make this low esteem its goal?
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OMG, a growing PR problem for a leaderless autonomous gathering? really, they should issue a memo or something about that.
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@133
"Same plight as the Republican party"? I wish. Unfortunately, they're just a bunch of lawless fucks with some pansy-ass idea of celebrating "biking culture". They also don't appear to have a real "goal" in mind, so I don't think they have a plan (or PR department). Just let these flower-children die along with their public perception.
"Same plight as the Republican party"? I wish. Unfortunately, they're just a bunch of lawless fucks with some pansy-ass idea of celebrating "biking culture". They also don't appear to have a real "goal" in mind, so I don't think they have a plan (or PR department). Just let these flower-children die along with their public perception.
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Man, Critical Mass has totally jumped the shark. If Slog is encouraging people to ride in it, it's over. Better to make mini-masses for commuting to work over the bridges.
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We all know that what CM riders do is relatively safe, but if some pedistrians tried to cork CM riders they'd end up with u-locks upside their head.
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@ 136: Man, Critical Mass has totally jumped the shark
totally, fonzie dude. you nailed it bro! just by being so relevant.
totally, fonzie dude. you nailed it bro! just by being so relevant.
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@120: "Upper middle class folks like myself can afford $10 a gallon."
tee-hee, kind of amusing for such a boring rube to procalim their supposed Upper middle class status as a badge. Well whatever, because it tends to be the Bourgeois that are the first to be stripped of possesions, pilloried and then have their bodies thrown to the dogs in the streets.
so hey, keep on keeping on... with your dumb self, Stupid White Male.
tee-hee, kind of amusing for such a boring rube to procalim their supposed Upper middle class status as a badge. Well whatever, because it tends to be the Bourgeois that are the first to be stripped of possesions, pilloried and then have their bodies thrown to the dogs in the streets.
so hey, keep on keeping on... with your dumb self, Stupid White Male.
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@ 66 No thank you, I won't be wasting my time doing frivolous things like videotape my own actions. I suggest you bring a camcorder, however, since it will enhance your chances of successfully winning assault charges against pissed off pedestrians and car drivers like myself. I am well aware of the repaving- I work in the Wells Fargo building on 2nd right above it. I didn't go down through the square and wasn't affected by any ball game - btw traffic is to be expected in that area. As for timing myself- I do that pretty often. It took me 10 minutes today to get from Bitter Lake to the waterfront via 99 at 3:45-and I obeyed all traffic laws. How long does it take you to do that ride on a bike? At least twenty extra minutes. People who have families, jobs, school, volunteer work, and busy personal lives (like myself) usually don't have that much extra time to waste. My time on this planet is limited and I try to be as efficient as possible.
BTW, I parked under the viaduct by 4, spent a lovely afternoon walking the waterfront taking photos of my boyfriend, had a great dinner on 1st Ave at 6 on the dot, and didn't see one Critical Asshole. Guess you are not all that "effective", eh?
BTW, I parked under the viaduct by 4, spent a lovely afternoon walking the waterfront taking photos of my boyfriend, had a great dinner on 1st Ave at 6 on the dot, and didn't see one Critical Asshole. Guess you are not all that "effective", eh?
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I'm still on trail... Not one single driver seemed to hate us. We got lots of props. I'm so relieved that this bitter thread is not representative of Seattle. Too bad that y'all are such haters. You'd find that the negativity is all in your bitter old heads.
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@141: you sound like a real catch. your "efficient" limited time on this planet sounds like a hoot, yeah, sign me up for some of that stress related lifestyle, rowrrr. you can wind my clock and set my schedule anytime baby.
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@133...Ohmigod, you are so RIGHT. Critical Mass is just like the Republican Party! Except for we're an apolitical group of people who rides bikes! Once a month! In the city! Otherwise, fucking BINGO.
As for @126 ... guilty as charged. Sure was a fun ride though. How was yer commute?
As for @126 ... guilty as charged. Sure was a fun ride though. How was yer commute?
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@ 145, thanks, my boyfriend just told me that after I swallowed his load. Some time is meant to be spent well, not sitting in traffic!
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You could swallow loads in traffic, save yourself some precious time on this planet multitasking.
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@ 130: You say "drivers" but haven't you noticed how it's bicyclists who hate Critical Mass the most?
I don't own a car, I bike seven days a week most weeks. Y'all are assholes. And it's not because you break traffic laws, it's because you deliberately get in other people's way. I break traffic laws all the time, but I don't interfere with the flow of traffic. I'm just fine with breaking laws when I'm not hurting anyone. Critical Mass gets self-rightous about breaking laws en masse BECAUSE they're fucking with other people. It's stupid.
And the riders? At best they're willfully ignorant. Your right to a good time ends when it interferes with other people's right to go about their business or pleasure. Go out and have a good time riding your bike. Go with friends, go by yourself, whatever floats your boat, just as long as you're not hurting anyone else.
Fuck, why does anyone have to explain the fucking Golden Rule? Suppose you were trying to get to the fridge to get a beer. OK? And then some stranger jumped in your way and stood there for two minutes, not letting you get a beer. And when you explained you wanted a beer, the stranger said that you just had to wait because he was protesting about how hard it was for him to get to his fridge? Wouldn't that be annoying? That's Critical Mass, a random act of annoying a bunch of people.
I don't own a car, I bike seven days a week most weeks. Y'all are assholes. And it's not because you break traffic laws, it's because you deliberately get in other people's way. I break traffic laws all the time, but I don't interfere with the flow of traffic. I'm just fine with breaking laws when I'm not hurting anyone. Critical Mass gets self-rightous about breaking laws en masse BECAUSE they're fucking with other people. It's stupid.
And the riders? At best they're willfully ignorant. Your right to a good time ends when it interferes with other people's right to go about their business or pleasure. Go out and have a good time riding your bike. Go with friends, go by yourself, whatever floats your boat, just as long as you're not hurting anyone else.
Fuck, why does anyone have to explain the fucking Golden Rule? Suppose you were trying to get to the fridge to get a beer. OK? And then some stranger jumped in your way and stood there for two minutes, not letting you get a beer. And when you explained you wanted a beer, the stranger said that you just had to wait because he was protesting about how hard it was for him to get to his fridge? Wouldn't that be annoying? That's Critical Mass, a random act of annoying a bunch of people.
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@141: So tonight's CM wasn't effective because you and your boy didn't happen to see it tonight? Uh, ok....
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What's really funny is that if it weren't for the constant comment trolling by the Stranger, I wouldn't have the slightest idea that Critical Mass even existed. I had lovely drive home tonight from work, windows down, warm breeze through my hair, music blasting. It was magical. And not a single stupid cyclist got in my way the entire time. Hell, if that's what CM means - attracting all cyclists downtown so that all of us in the rest of the city can drive with no cyclists in our way - then make it a daily event.
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Will no CM advocate address @77? He/she makes a great point, and as usual, it's just ignored, because the CM ass-hats know he/she is right.
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@77 and 155
The point of Critical Mass isn't that it's a demonstration. It's not about bicycle advocacy, or bicycle infrastructure, or making our presence known or any of that usually cited crap.
It's about flipping the power dynamic for two hours, every month, at a predictable time. Getting permits would completely negate this.
That said, traffic was so FUBARed last night before Mass even started that I doubt we had much impact until we got out of downtown.
The point of Critical Mass isn't that it's a demonstration. It's not about bicycle advocacy, or bicycle infrastructure, or making our presence known or any of that usually cited crap.
It's about flipping the power dynamic for two hours, every month, at a predictable time. Getting permits would completely negate this.
That said, traffic was so FUBARed last night before Mass even started that I doubt we had much impact until we got out of downtown.
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So the viaduct is closed most of today for some marathon. Are all of you angry commenters up in arms over your lost day care costs, job tardiness, fucked up traffic, and the self-important actions of these "asshole" runners? Come on, fume for me!
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So did they head up to their comfort zone The Great White North? Why don't they head down the Rainier Valley and cork some homeys? Then tell them how college educate white liberals are the new oppressed class.
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Wow, not a word in the media; poor attention starved kids, how will they survive? Must be a conspiracy of the MSM to silence spoiled, middle class white people.
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@158 and 159: Mass has ridden down Rainier Valley before. Each time there's a different route.
And I think they'll be fine without getting attention in the MSM. The point of the ride isn't to have it mentioned on KING 5. Press releases aren't sent out begging for a write up. Is that what you think CM is about? There have been over a hundred Seattle CM rides and most riders could couldn't care less that only a handful of those have had a mention in the PI or Times.
And I think they'll be fine without getting attention in the MSM. The point of the ride isn't to have it mentioned on KING 5. Press releases aren't sent out begging for a write up. Is that what you think CM is about? There have been over a hundred Seattle CM rides and most riders could couldn't care less that only a handful of those have had a mention in the PI or Times.
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Thought y'all would like to see how Critical Mass is perceived in a much smaller city. The local paper here did an article on it today.
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/4930736…
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/4930736…
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161. Well, given that half of Louisiana is unemployed and that Baton Rouge is a small city with many more intracity arterial options than Seattle, it's not quite the same thing.
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Well, actually, Louisiana has a lower unemployment rate than Washington State. And if you spent any time in Baton Rouge, you would know that getting from Point A to Point B can be a challenge. The city has virtually no public transporatation, and pretty much no bike lanes - or sidewalks for that matter. Yet there are a ton of bike riders here, especially around the LSU campus. They were riding on one of the most used roads in the city, too. Most motorists are pretty tolerant and cautious, but not all.
I think the difference is that we generally have a more easy-going attitude down here. I know in Pittsburgh, anything that blocked traffic for any amount of time would garner huge protests. But here, anything that looks remotely like a parade or party is welcomed.
I think the difference is that we generally have a more easy-going attitude down here. I know in Pittsburgh, anything that blocked traffic for any amount of time would garner huge protests. But here, anything that looks remotely like a parade or party is welcomed.
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"The local paper here did an article on it today. "
Massholes in Louisiana? WHo wudda thunk it.
The only good thing about Louisiana is if some red neck ran one of these massholes, over the hick jury would never find them guilty.
Massholes in Louisiana? WHo wudda thunk it.
The only good thing about Louisiana is if some red neck ran one of these massholes, over the hick jury would never find them guilty.
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"Yet there are a ton of bike riders here, especially around the LSU campus."
Oh I get it, rich white kids. Just like in Seattle. Fuck 'em.
Oh I get it, rich white kids. Just like in Seattle. Fuck 'em.
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@166 - while that is certainly true, a lot of people who work on campus ride bikes to work, too. Like I said, there is a craptastic public transportation system here, and people in the poorer neighborhoods literally depend on bikes to get around.
And it is Baton Rouge we're talking about, which, while it isn't New Orleans, it isn't exactly the back woods, either. I miss living in a "real" city, with actual theater and concerts by groups that didn't top the country charts 15 years ago, but the people here are, for the most part, well educated, sophisticated, and possess good hygiene and all of their teeth.
And it is Baton Rouge we're talking about, which, while it isn't New Orleans, it isn't exactly the back woods, either. I miss living in a "real" city, with actual theater and concerts by groups that didn't top the country charts 15 years ago, but the people here are, for the most part, well educated, sophisticated, and possess good hygiene and all of their teeth.
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@169: What a silly article. Don't blame CM for "blocking an ambulance" and then fail to mention 1) the numerous times cars block ambulances and 2) the numerous times CM makes room for ambulances. What I've witnessed before is seeing the entire mass quickly pull over to let emergency vehicles through. *This is something that cars stuck in traffic can not do.* And outside of mass, on nearly a weekly basis, I see cars unwilling to make room for an ambulance. God, talk to an ambulance/EMT driver sometime. Their main traffic complete will not involve bikes, I can guarantee you that.
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I am definitely gettin my ass down to next months CM. As a daily biker, I have had an indifferent to slightly negative opinion of CM but after reading ALL 170 comments I feel a connection to the critical mass. The fact that it is a leaderless, agenda lacking movement is intriguing and exciting (yes, I guess I'm just an asshole with a wife, 13-yr. old daughter and a SUV). And thanks to stinkbug for being such a good antidote to all the haters! WOOT!
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The lives of automobile hegemonists are already completely out of control. Slaves to the clock, to their machines, to the system. When they see a group of free people moving freely under their own power with no aim in mind it drives them to distraction with envy. That ringing sound you hear is oft-thrashed gong of their hollow lives sounding strong and clear under the blows of the hammer of their self-inflicted frustrations: the pent-up tones of a soul so agitated by needless strife it can aught but mutter here or at fists whitely clenched on immobile steering wheels the first lines of its own death-song.
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"When they see a group of free people moving freely under their own power with no aim in mind it drives them to distraction with envy."
You mean 25 yr olds with dead end jobs? Wait until they're 30 and still a barista/kinkos monkey, can't afford to live in Seattle with a family and realize that a bike is all they CAN afford. Then you'll all fuck off to Kent and Renton where you belong and those of us who 'slave to the system' can stay in Seattle because....well, we can afford it.
You mean 25 yr olds with dead end jobs? Wait until they're 30 and still a barista/kinkos monkey, can't afford to live in Seattle with a family and realize that a bike is all they CAN afford. Then you'll all fuck off to Kent and Renton where you belong and those of us who 'slave to the system' can stay in Seattle because....well, we can afford it.
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Well, actually, Louisiana has a lower unemployment rate than Washington State. And if you spent any time in Baton Rouge, you would know that getting from Point A to Point B can be a challenge.
Unemployment rates are always a shallow, inaccurate barometer to reference for total unemployment, since there are a lot of people who lose their jobs and don't bother to file because they either aren't aware of the process or know they're not eligible.
A good friend of mine lived in Shreveport and said that a good quarter of the town didn't have a job. People literally sat on the sidewalks because there was nothing else to do in the town, no jobs to apply for or anything. I bet their unemployment rate there was technically lower than Washington's too.
And "a challenge" is trivially vague when describing traffic. It's a challenge to get around in any city, whether in a car, on foot or by public transport. A basic look at a map of Baton Rouge shows your city has arterials and you can get to Point B via multiple routes. Seattle has a handful of main highways connecting many major portions of the city and an inconsistent network or arterials that aren't easy to follow unless you know the grid by heart. Not the same thing.
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Dear Stinkbug (aka @170 and several comments)
I wrote that "silly article." And here is my retort.
1. Don't put "blocking and ambulance" in quotes. They blocked an ambulance. I saw it. You didn't. You say you've seen the entire mass pull over? Maybe you have. But I haven't. I've never seen that. I saw them keep going, oblivious to the quite legitimate needs of the motorists they demand make way. Maybe Seattle folk are nicer than Chicago. But I'm reporting about a real ambulance that I really saw blocked by a real group of real cyclists who most certainly did not pull over.
2. Let's say 99 percent of ambulance delays are caused by cars. If I were the one in that ambulance for the other 1 percent -- and someone WAS in that ambulance -- I wouldn't care about statistics. I would care about why my ambulance ride was delayed. What's your argument? Cars do it more so it's OK if I do it too?
3. Parades block streets, which is why parade organizers work with city officials to direct traffic and notify hospitals of closed routes. There is a way to have a rally and not endanger lives. Critical Mass, for some unknown reason, chooses not to exercise this humane precaution.
4. It doesn't matter what each of those bikers would have done AS INDIVIDUALS. As individuals, they might have all pulled over, been nice, said a little prayer for the person in the ambulance, whatever. But in a large group told that whatever they do is OK, those individuals either didn't notice or didn't do anything when they did notice. Call it diffusion of responsibility, groupthink, the bystander effect or what have you, but when you get a large group of people together and tell them they own the streets, personal accountability goes out the window. I yelled at a few bikers to tell them about the ambulance and they looked horrified AS INDIVIDUALS. But as part of the group, they just kept riding.
Anyway, Stinkbug, a final point. If you're going to criticize my article, at least grow a set and put a name to your vitriol. You are indicative of Critical Mass -- a desire to make noise coupled with a desire to avoid personal responsibility.
Sincerely,
Paul Joseph Dailing
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I wrote that "silly article." And here is my retort.
1. Don't put "blocking and ambulance" in quotes. They blocked an ambulance. I saw it. You didn't. You say you've seen the entire mass pull over? Maybe you have. But I haven't. I've never seen that. I saw them keep going, oblivious to the quite legitimate needs of the motorists they demand make way. Maybe Seattle folk are nicer than Chicago. But I'm reporting about a real ambulance that I really saw blocked by a real group of real cyclists who most certainly did not pull over.
2. Let's say 99 percent of ambulance delays are caused by cars. If I were the one in that ambulance for the other 1 percent -- and someone WAS in that ambulance -- I wouldn't care about statistics. I would care about why my ambulance ride was delayed. What's your argument? Cars do it more so it's OK if I do it too?
3. Parades block streets, which is why parade organizers work with city officials to direct traffic and notify hospitals of closed routes. There is a way to have a rally and not endanger lives. Critical Mass, for some unknown reason, chooses not to exercise this humane precaution.
4. It doesn't matter what each of those bikers would have done AS INDIVIDUALS. As individuals, they might have all pulled over, been nice, said a little prayer for the person in the ambulance, whatever. But in a large group told that whatever they do is OK, those individuals either didn't notice or didn't do anything when they did notice. Call it diffusion of responsibility, groupthink, the bystander effect or what have you, but when you get a large group of people together and tell them they own the streets, personal accountability goes out the window. I yelled at a few bikers to tell them about the ambulance and they looked horrified AS INDIVIDUALS. But as part of the group, they just kept riding.
Anyway, Stinkbug, a final point. If you're going to criticize my article, at least grow a set and put a name to your vitriol. You are indicative of Critical Mass -- a desire to make noise coupled with a desire to avoid personal responsibility.
Sincerely,
Paul Joseph Dailing
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Welcome, Paul Dailing! Thanks for coming by and clarifying your article. Some of us do appreciate your input.
I will add that CM's reason for not advising city officials of their intent is in fact know, as noted in comment 156 by some CMer:
They confess it's about actively screwing people over in some sort of hollow, sudden, anonymous statement. So there we go.
I will add that CM's reason for not advising city officials of their intent is in fact know, as noted in comment 156 by some CMer:
The point of Critical Mass isn't that it's a demonstration. It's not about bicycle advocacy, or bicycle infrastructure, or making our presence known or any of that usually cited crap.
It's about flipping the power dynamic for two hours, every month, at a predictable time. Getting permits would completely negate this.
They confess it's about actively screwing people over in some sort of hollow, sudden, anonymous statement. So there we go.
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Welcome, Paul Dailing! Thanks for coming by and clarifying your article. Some of us do appreciate your input.
I will add that CM's reason for not advising city officials of their intent is in fact known, as noted in comment 156 by some CMer:
They confess it's about actively screwing people over in some sort of hollow, sudden, anonymous statement. So there we go.
I will add that CM's reason for not advising city officials of their intent is in fact known, as noted in comment 156 by some CMer:
The point of Critical Mass isn't that it's a demonstration. It's not about bicycle advocacy, or bicycle infrastructure, or making our presence known or any of that usually cited crap.
It's about flipping the power dynamic for two hours, every month, at a predictable time. Getting permits would completely negate this.
They confess it's about actively screwing people over in some sort of hollow, sudden, anonymous statement. So there we go.
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@176: "If you're going to criticize my article, at least grow a set and put a name to your vitriol. You are indicative of Critical Mass -- a desire to make noise coupled with a desire to avoid personal responsibility."
Um, this is slog. Many (most?) of the screen names used here are not full names or even real first names. Are the anti-CM people above avoiding personal responsibility by not signing their name? No, not really.
@178: You do realize that "flipping the power dynamic" doesn't necessarily translate to "actively screwing people over"? If you need more info on this concept just let us know.
Um, this is slog. Many (most?) of the screen names used here are not full names or even real first names. Are the anti-CM people above avoiding personal responsibility by not signing their name? No, not really.
@178: You do realize that "flipping the power dynamic" doesn't necessarily translate to "actively screwing people over"? If you need more info on this concept just let us know.
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First of all, Stinkbug, you really do need to grow a set. Just because a lot of other posters ALSO need to grow a set, that doesn't mean that you do not need to grow a set. Maybe it's the fault of the digital era, but I feel like an idiot watching people named stinkbug, Mr. Language Person and HOT PUSSY try to have an intelligent debate. I got roped in when I saw my article (which I put my name to) was part of this debate. Maybe that was my mistake, but I'm in now.
Secondly, you're wrong in your response to @178. "Flipping the power dynamic" does in fact necessarily translate to "actively screwing people over." It actively screws over people currently at the top of the power dynamic, does it not? Isn't that your group's goal? To actively screw over reckless drivers, smoggy busses, and the others who sit at the top of the heap the other 29 or 30 days of the month (fewer in February).
Unfortunately, the power dynamic also puts rescue vehicles at the top of the heap. That's what galled me so much about watching the ambulance try in vain to move during Friday's Critical Mass in Chicago. I wasn't watching the irresponsible actions of a few bad eggs. I was watching a large group achieve its goal. Those bikers set out to block traffic. The ambulance was traffic. They did what they set out to do.
Here is a direct question I would like Stinkbug or others to answer: Why does Critical Mass not get permits or at least notify hospitals of route plans? From tiny block parties to massive concerts, most other event organizers get permits or otherwise notify police, fire and rescue workers of planned street closures. Even protest bike rides like the World Naked Bike Ride and Chicago's Bike the Drive work with officials to set routes and ensure orderly direction of emergency traffic. And I assure you, those protests are no less meaningful for notifying emergency services beforehand.
As a side note, what drivers check for street closures before heading out on a Friday night? You'll still block a lot of traffic, if that's your goal. You just won't block ambulances, cops or fire trucks.
I don't want people reiterating jingoistic catchphrases like "flipping the power dynamic" or "automobile hegemonists." I want someone to explain to me why it is in fact a good thing that Critical Mass doesn't get permits, especially considering that getting permits and setting routes would avoid scenes like the one I saw.
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Secondly, you're wrong in your response to @178. "Flipping the power dynamic" does in fact necessarily translate to "actively screwing people over." It actively screws over people currently at the top of the power dynamic, does it not? Isn't that your group's goal? To actively screw over reckless drivers, smoggy busses, and the others who sit at the top of the heap the other 29 or 30 days of the month (fewer in February).
Unfortunately, the power dynamic also puts rescue vehicles at the top of the heap. That's what galled me so much about watching the ambulance try in vain to move during Friday's Critical Mass in Chicago. I wasn't watching the irresponsible actions of a few bad eggs. I was watching a large group achieve its goal. Those bikers set out to block traffic. The ambulance was traffic. They did what they set out to do.
Here is a direct question I would like Stinkbug or others to answer: Why does Critical Mass not get permits or at least notify hospitals of route plans? From tiny block parties to massive concerts, most other event organizers get permits or otherwise notify police, fire and rescue workers of planned street closures. Even protest bike rides like the World Naked Bike Ride and Chicago's Bike the Drive work with officials to set routes and ensure orderly direction of emergency traffic. And I assure you, those protests are no less meaningful for notifying emergency services beforehand.
As a side note, what drivers check for street closures before heading out on a Friday night? You'll still block a lot of traffic, if that's your goal. You just won't block ambulances, cops or fire trucks.
I don't want people reiterating jingoistic catchphrases like "flipping the power dynamic" or "automobile hegemonists." I want someone to explain to me why it is in fact a good thing that Critical Mass doesn't get permits, especially considering that getting permits and setting routes would avoid scenes like the one I saw.
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Paul Dailing, feel free to email the editor of The Stranger (editor@thestranger.com) and insist that all slog commentators use their full real names. (Note: we just recently, finally got registration here.)
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Did this ride end at Seward Park with MJ tunes?
If so, THANKS to the hot guy who kissed my pitbull on the mouth...made my day..next time, I want one too.
If so, THANKS to the hot guy who kissed my pitbull on the mouth...made my day..next time, I want one too.
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Hey Matt...I've been working with Mayor John Hickenlooper and soon the ban in Denver will be No More:)So Sorry:)
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Srsly, that's fine by me IF you've worked on that "aggressive dog" stuff you were yammering on about before to go with it. Otherwise, I'll have to go hunting...
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I rode in CM on friday. Twice during the ride, an ambulance came down the street towards us, and both times everyone immediately pulled over to the right side of the street and waited for it to pass. It didn't have to slow down at all. Just sayin. And yes, we ended up at Seward Park with MJ tunes.
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Cool...I now support CM rides thanks to Hot-pitbull-kissing cyclist man.
And @ Matt in Denver...OF COURSE we are working on an alternate policy for Denver. It's a harsh but fair law that would punish owners of ALL aggressive acting dogs. Behavior of the dog rather than breed would be the basis for action by AC/the City.
Also pushing for prohibition of pet ownership for specific types of felons, etc.
Blah...Blah..and Blah
And @ Matt in Denver...OF COURSE we are working on an alternate policy for Denver. It's a harsh but fair law that would punish owners of ALL aggressive acting dogs. Behavior of the dog rather than breed would be the basis for action by AC/the City.
Also pushing for prohibition of pet ownership for specific types of felons, etc.
Blah...Blah..and Blah
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