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Tuesday, June 16, 2009

A Quick Thought About Nothing

Posted by on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM

There was a time in philosophy when everything was broken down into primary qualities and secondary qualities (Quentin Meillassoux opens his book After Infinitude on this very subject). Primary qualities were things that made up an object; secondary qualities were those that were produced by the encounter of one object with another. Let's picture that one object is a human and the other is a flame. When the human encounters that object, they are burned. This burning is not in the flame, nor is it in the human; it is in the encounter between the two. This quality is secondary. Even being hot is not in the flame. The flame can only be hot if it encounters something else. A primary quality is non-relational. Number, for example, does not require a relation, nor extension.

There is, admittedly, a whole movement of thought—indeed, the dominant movement since Kant—that is convinced that all things require a relation to exist, correlationism, because how can anything, even number, exist without an observer. Yet, we know there are places in time and space that exist without relationships or encounters—once, before the explosion of the star whose dust is our sun and us, there was simply nothing where I'm now (on a seat in the office), and, if the open universe theory is correct, or if the big crunch theory is correct, there will also be in the future nothing where I am at this moment.

What I find most fascinating about the mind is it can imagine such places and things in primary terms—a lonely piece of ice drifting through space five billion years ago, the terrific density a neutron star that is a billion years away from now. And yet the mind knows these things can never be seen or exist for it in any possible away. A big part of our real is wholly imcompossible.

 

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We imagine them with ourselves looking at them, though. We imagine them from a vantage point. We can't quite conceive of them existing yet not being observed. We are present in the imagining even if we intend not to be.
Posted by The false Charles on June 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM
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That's the crappiest explanation of primary and secondary qualities I've ever heard. Even wikipedia does a better job. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_qua…
Posted by geez on June 16, 2009 at 5:36 PM
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Hey Charles, great article in NYT Science section on ants and their humanlike propensity to take slaves. No shit! They take ant pupae or something from opposing ant colonies (indeed, doesn't this prove there is ant ethnicity or tribalism as well?) and raise them to be slaves.
So wow, human enslavement is not only universal among humans (pretty much we all did it whenever we could) but there's precedent in the animal world. Now throw in dam building skills of beavers and this whole "animals are different than humans" thing is really blown wide open, mmm?


{I'm not sure how the ants figure into globalization of capitalism, but I'm sure you can handle that angle.]
Posted by PC on June 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 4
I don't think "dominate" means what you think it means.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on June 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM
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how cunty your trollness is.
Posted by mokeybowl on June 16, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Vince 7
So, is there even a universe without the human observer? Was there a universe before the galaxies? Is there space without time? Does gravity exist without matter?
Posted by Vince on June 17, 2009 at 8:23 AM
The Amazing Jim 8
Quick? This has been going on in your posts for as long as I have read them.
Posted by The Amazing Jim http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=100000076496291&ref=profile on June 17, 2009 at 9:46 AM

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