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Crime Amanda's Unaging
Posted by Charles Mudede on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Amanda is getting younger! Look at this image!
And compare it with this pre-murder picture. Astonishing!
As for the post, it's pure promo for the pretty average American girl in prison. The author of the piece, Timothy Egan, accuses the British press of "predatory journalism," but his own work is not even journalism. It's all PR. One example: Egan claims Amanda Knox never had a criminal record, but this is technically untrue. Anyone can go to King County Court and see that this is untrue. She does have a record and she did make an appearance in court for throwing a party that went way out of control. This happened before she left the states. The punishment she received is on record. Amanda is not Egan's innocent girl. And I also doubt that his own daughter, whom he drags into his post, is such an innocent girl (she was studying in Italy at the time of Amanda's arrest).
But my problem has nothing to do with the fact that Amanda threw a wild party—that does not make her or anyone a murderer. My problem is that Egan uses the untrue claim, "she has no criminal record," to prove she is not capable of the crime. Well, if you use this untrue statement to prove innocence, then why don't we use the true statement—Amanda has a record, has been to court, and been punished by that court—to prove guilt?
Then there is the matter of calling Rudy Guede, the African idiot (he really is a slow chap), a drifter. But Egan has no idea that Rudy lived practically across the street from the apartment of Amanda's former boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito. You can go there and see the nice place Guede lived in. It's by the wall, in a tiny alley that's linked to Sollecito's street. Those three knew each other, and Rudy was not really a drifter. He was well-known around town and played basketball on a court that's a block away from where Amanda and Meredith lived.
These facts and links can not be ignored. And Amanda has yet to give us a hard alibi. That is all we want from her—proof that she was somewhere else at the time of the murder. Why is this proof so elusive, Egan? Why? Everyone knows the answer.
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The sad thing is that Charles won't be able to get the screenplay he's undoubtedly writing about this produced, as it's already been done, albeit unwittingly. Robbe-Grillet's "Glissements Progressifs du Plaisir", check it, it's uncanny.
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In a REAL justice system, she doesn't need to prove she was somewhere else. THEY need to prove she was there. Sadly, Italy doesn't have a real justice system.
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@1, the idiotic "muh dik" expression has been used against me by white supremacists, and we have recently seen for real what your types desire to do to jews and black people. so fuck you, you piece of racist shit.
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I am shocked that her DNA would be on a kitchen knife used by all the members of the household - it's as if they all used it to make dinner and stuff - instead of wearing plastic gloves like all good robots do.
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I didn't write 1, but I'll be the first to say that even minus the racial tones your "my prettyyy, my preciousssss" coverage of Amanda is fucking nasty.
If you were an old gay man, you would be a nasty troll. Here, you're just another fat, grubby-handed, incidentally black, disgusting man with a crush
yo dick.
If you were an old gay man, you would be a nasty troll. Here, you're just another fat, grubby-handed, incidentally black, disgusting man with a crush
yo dick.
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@5 Nice assumption chuck. I though it just meant that when you made a particular post, it was primarily motivated not by your intellect, but yer dik. If someone made the connection that you mainly post about white women, I don't see that as racist. If they opposed it for that reason, then sure; but you can't assume something like that from two nonsensical words. If it's so bad, just delete the post and put up the boilerplate "post deleted" banner. My guess is the post will stay because it doesn't mean what you want it to. So fuck you, you horny pseudo-intellectual piece of shit.
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I agree with you, Charles. I could see Egan's story has been skewed by his own love for his own daughter. He doesn't realize that Amanda Knox is not his daughter, and it's totally possible (given her lack of alibi) that Knox is responsible for the murder.
But! I agree with Egan in this way: Something odd is going on with the Italian police.
But! I agree with Egan in this way: Something odd is going on with the Italian police.
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I think it's just that she's not wearing makeup these days. I hear it's hard to come by in prison.
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fuck you 8 and your fucking white supremacist shit. if you were really were not a racist fuck, you would say: "my dick!" because that is how i and most of the black people i know speak english!
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@9,
Kind of odd. I would think a lot of parents would associate their daughter with Kercher, not Knox.
Kind of odd. I would think a lot of parents would associate their daughter with Kercher, not Knox.
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Actually, Charles, wouldn't you and your brothas say as "mah dick"?
Like, "Suck mah dick, byitch!!"
Like, "Suck mah dick, byitch!!"
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Every time a white supremacist opens their big yap they prove how deeply inferior they really are.
"Treason to whiteness equals loyalty to humanity!"
"Treason to whiteness equals loyalty to humanity!"
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commenters, I rest my case. when you read post like @14, please keep in mind that 88 year old idiot.
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So now dialect is racist? Who ever explicitly stated that the misspelling of my dick was typed in ebonics? Even if it is, is it racist to point out that not all African-Americans don't speak the queen's English? Facts are facts.
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Chales has presented a racism strawman to distract you from the point that his posts are bullshit.
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She may may be innocent, but I must say there is something very creepy and annoying about Amanda. However this trial ends I hope we can look foreward to seeing less of her.
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no one's telling me WHY knox participated in the brutal rape and murder of her roommate.
because she smoked hash? because she threw a party and the cops came? because she is pretty?
if this was in america, she'd be free, graduated, and hosting her own dance night by now.
because she smoked hash? because she threw a party and the cops came? because she is pretty?
if this was in america, she'd be free, graduated, and hosting her own dance night by now.
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Charles lays it on too thick. He thinks he's doing us a favor by pushing boundries (or maybe he is) But he just goes places that need not going, and can be quite distracting to the real issues.
What I've read about Amanda Knox is that it's really drug induced blackout where nobody really knows what's going on.
The fact that she is an American white attractive woman charged in Italy does mean something (fine Charles). I'm also kind of saddened by the fact that innocent until proven guilty means nothing in most parts of the world. (Actually, the Italian justice system is kind of chilling).
Sensastionalism aside, I would hate being on that jury. "reasonable doubt" means a lot to me regardless of race, color, and ethnicity. It's certainly a compelling story, especially with the facts straight.
What I've read about Amanda Knox is that it's really drug induced blackout where nobody really knows what's going on.
The fact that she is an American white attractive woman charged in Italy does mean something (fine Charles). I'm also kind of saddened by the fact that innocent until proven guilty means nothing in most parts of the world. (Actually, the Italian justice system is kind of chilling).
Sensastionalism aside, I would hate being on that jury. "reasonable doubt" means a lot to me regardless of race, color, and ethnicity. It's certainly a compelling story, especially with the facts straight.
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@12
Wow, good point. That didn't even occur to me. Maybe it's because the media coverage is more focused on Knox and her plight than Kercher's murder.
I also think it's telling that Egan observed, perhaps erroneously, that the Italian justice system is more concerned with saving face than gathering facts. Since this is what Egan concluded, it's possible that he himself is guilty of the same kind of thinking. Maybe Egan perceives being wrongly accused (being disgraced) as a worse fate than being murdered (being exonorated of wrong doing/almost elevated to saint level), and so fears it worse for his own daughter.
Wow, good point. That didn't even occur to me. Maybe it's because the media coverage is more focused on Knox and her plight than Kercher's murder.
I also think it's telling that Egan observed, perhaps erroneously, that the Italian justice system is more concerned with saving face than gathering facts. Since this is what Egan concluded, it's possible that he himself is guilty of the same kind of thinking. Maybe Egan perceives being wrongly accused (being disgraced) as a worse fate than being murdered (being exonorated of wrong doing/almost elevated to saint level), and so fears it worse for his own daughter.
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It's as if Seattleites have never seen a black person before. You guys oughta get out of your lilywhite city for once so you can actually encounter people who are different than you.
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I always thought the "Muh dik" comments were a poorly-executed play on your last name. And it's true: a high percentage of your posts seem motivated by your dick and cloaked in a thin patina of pseudo-intellectualism. You deserve those "Muh dik" comments.
Furthermore, if you're so fucking adept with English, Charles, why can't you spell "received" properly?
Furthermore, if you're so fucking adept with English, Charles, why can't you spell "received" properly?
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@24, he doesn't need to; it's already there. All politics in Italy is reactionary, in response to one of six movements: communism, fascism, anti-communism, anti-fascism, anti-anti-communism, and anti-anti-fascism. Berlusconi, for instance, is an anti-anti-fascist. Italy is the only country in the world where "communism" and "fascism" are popular, freely-admitted-to political positions.
You should read "The Dark Heart of Italy" by Tobias Jones and "Tim Parks's books, particularly "A Season in Verona" and "Italian Neighbors" if you want to understand what's going on there. Justice isn't in it.
What the Knoxes should have done is the Italian thing: paid the bribes like everyone else. She'd have been home eighteen months ago.
You should read "The Dark Heart of Italy" by Tobias Jones and "Tim Parks's books, particularly "A Season in Verona" and "Italian Neighbors" if you want to understand what's going on there. Justice isn't in it.
What the Knoxes should have done is the Italian thing: paid the bribes like everyone else. She'd have been home eighteen months ago.
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@25
It's cause she's AMERICAN and the murdered girl was not. The whole apple pie thing -- so stupid, and she's got the face to match...unless you look closely and then you see the crazy eyes.
It's cause she's AMERICAN and the murdered girl was not. The whole apple pie thing -- so stupid, and she's got the face to match...unless you look closely and then you see the crazy eyes.
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@23: WHICH DRUGS induced this "blackout"? it wasn't hash, as anyone who's ever smoked it can tell you. it's just strong weed.
so was is acid? PCP? ecstacy? heroin? charles, do you know?
if it was alcohol, which commonly causes "blackouts", then that's different. but not nearly as sensational (she'd be way more sympathetic to the drunken british, at least), and still unlikely that she'd have participated in a ritualized satanist rape and murder.
in light of the fact that satan is fictional.
so was is acid? PCP? ecstacy? heroin? charles, do you know?
if it was alcohol, which commonly causes "blackouts", then that's different. but not nearly as sensational (she'd be way more sympathetic to the drunken british, at least), and still unlikely that she'd have participated in a ritualized satanist rape and murder.
in light of the fact that satan is fictional.
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@30: again with the crazy eyes comment.
that's not proof of guilt. that's proof of being good in bed.
that's not proof of guilt. that's proof of being good in bed.
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@28 and others... Google "muh dik." Charles is right. The expression and spelling are specific to white supremacists. While the objectification of half-naked women is itself questionable, use of "muh dik" is intentionally racist. Less familiar perhaps, but as unmistakable in its overtones as "Heil Hitler."
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23 - maybe your lack of faith in the Italian justice system will be debunked after they let the rich white girl go. After they've thrown the black guy in jail, of course.
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Sorry, Charles, but your continual harping on (and critical analysis of) Amanda's appearance, as well as the way you've for no apparent reason chosen to express that you Have Your Doubts about Egan's own daughter, make it difficult for me to take your "journalism" seriously. Scare quotes optional.
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You know, I find it interesting when you ascribe someone's criticism of your posts - albeit crude - as racist, yet never seem to acknowledge that it's racism that keeps you employed, Charles. Let's face it: if you weren't a black immigrant to this country, no one would think your perspective particularly interesting. A German immigrant who bloviated as much as you would have been fired from The Stranger ages ago. It's your very "otherness" that keeps you employed.
I am certain, however, that you couldn't find a job writing anywhere else, now that you have blessed the public record with so many, many examples of unreadable, idiotic drivel. You are not smart, and your quasi-unique perspective is a patchwork quilt of borrowed ideas you've sewn together with the grace of a giant wielding a tiny needle. You're not educated; you're a parrot chirping phrases overheard in a professor's household.
I wish The Stranger would take your salary and apply it toward someone worth reading. Although something tells me you'd be like red-stapler man from "Office Space": continuing to show up, even though your paycheck stopped ages ago and your desk has been moved to the warehouse.
I am certain, however, that you couldn't find a job writing anywhere else, now that you have blessed the public record with so many, many examples of unreadable, idiotic drivel. You are not smart, and your quasi-unique perspective is a patchwork quilt of borrowed ideas you've sewn together with the grace of a giant wielding a tiny needle. You're not educated; you're a parrot chirping phrases overheard in a professor's household.
I wish The Stranger would take your salary and apply it toward someone worth reading. Although something tells me you'd be like red-stapler man from "Office Space": continuing to show up, even though your paycheck stopped ages ago and your desk has been moved to the warehouse.
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@26, there first person who first used it (at around the time a bunch of white nutters learned of slog) linked it to this:
"muh dik 221 up, 25 down love it hate it
The most important possession a nigger buck has. Used to rape white wimminz, spread venereal diseases, and create new shitlets for welfare mammies. A condom is never used on this device.
After having sex with the sow nigger the buck nigger axed: BITCH what's wrong wif Muh Dik!"
im sorry for assuming a black person did not post that on urban dictionary.
that entry is white supremacist shit. why? cause no one is more obsessed with white women than white supremacists. i will say no more on this matter. my case is made.
if you want to say: my dick. fine. but know what you are promoting when you say it the other way: a white supremacist agenda.
"muh dik 221 up, 25 down love it hate it
The most important possession a nigger buck has. Used to rape white wimminz, spread venereal diseases, and create new shitlets for welfare mammies. A condom is never used on this device.
After having sex with the sow nigger the buck nigger axed: BITCH what's wrong wif Muh Dik!"
im sorry for assuming a black person did not post that on urban dictionary.
that entry is white supremacist shit. why? cause no one is more obsessed with white women than white supremacists. i will say no more on this matter. my case is made.
if you want to say: my dick. fine. but know what you are promoting when you say it the other way: a white supremacist agenda.
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36 - The guy with the stapler in Office Space continued to get his paycheck due to a glich in accounting. If you're still getting paid, then why not stay.
Also, I think you made in mistake in "professor's household".... I think you meant to say "Master's household. Your subconcious racism bleeds through your writing.
Also, I think you made in mistake in "professor's household".... I think you meant to say "Master's household. Your subconcious racism bleeds through your writing.
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Hi Charles,
It sounds like the "muh dik" posts are ignorant if its racist overtones. Perhaps they can develop a new way to sarcastically point out that you tend to seem to disproportionately post about the attractiveness of your subjects. Perhaps they could use an alternative, like "my dick" or "Chuck Dick", as in "Just another Chuck dick post".
It sounds like the "muh dik" posts are ignorant if its racist overtones. Perhaps they can develop a new way to sarcastically point out that you tend to seem to disproportionately post about the attractiveness of your subjects. Perhaps they could use an alternative, like "my dick" or "Chuck Dick", as in "Just another Chuck dick post".
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All right, all right. Clearly I need to spend more time parked in front of a screen, re-watching, "Office Space."
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#4 is right on the money. Furthermore, blaming her for not producing a waterproof alibi is shortsighted if she engaged in legal activity that doesn't produce a waterproof alibi (sometimes I really do spend the evening alone in my apartment, she claims to have been smoking hashish with her boyfriend).
While Egan may be siding with Amanda by conflating her with his daughter, or for nationalistic prejudices, he still makes a solid case against the way her case is handled in tabloids, discrepancies in the evidence, and the "OMG SHE'S GUILTY NO MTTER WAT LOOK AT HER"* mentality it's producing.
*= At the risk of being called racist, the bad grammar, etc. of the statement isn't you, Charles. It's meant to show haste, panic, and lack of thought in making a conclusion, the way we on the Internets do.
While Egan may be siding with Amanda by conflating her with his daughter, or for nationalistic prejudices, he still makes a solid case against the way her case is handled in tabloids, discrepancies in the evidence, and the "OMG SHE'S GUILTY NO MTTER WAT LOOK AT HER"* mentality it's producing.
*= At the risk of being called racist, the bad grammar, etc. of the statement isn't you, Charles. It's meant to show haste, panic, and lack of thought in making a conclusion, the way we on the Internets do.
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I actually think it speaks well for Slog commenters that so many of them didn't know where "muh dik" comes from; a kind of refreshing naïveté.
Oh, and if it is racist, why not just block the post?
Oh, and if it is racist, why not just block the post?
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How many of you lurk on the Slog all day just waiting for Charles to post so you can jump into the comments, desperate for your pathetic, juvenile wank-fest posting anonymous insults in the interest of boosting your feeble sense of intellectual and moral superiority?
Hi. Screw you.
Hi. Screw you.
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@23
I've blacked out horrible when mixing weed and pot. And a great reason why i gave up marijuana LONG time ago. Marijuana just made me paranoid alone anyways. No disrespect to anyone who enjoys it (I just wish for the love of god they would just stop passing the bong my way when I already said no thank you like a zillion fucking times!)
And yes, she really should have just paid the fucking bribe! From what my friend tells me, there is a very blurred line between organized crime and government in Italy.
And perhaps why movements like Fascism gain traction to give order and boundaries to powers that have none.
This trial is a circus and probably more about nationalism (who are these pretty American tourists that can come here and piss on our culture and our customs). Could Amanda Knox have committed the murder? Who the hell really knows, but reasonable doubt is something the AMERICAN civil liberties union fights for.
Guilty until proven innoscent is very important, it's the notions that help mindless hysterical finger poiniting.
I've blacked out horrible when mixing weed and pot. And a great reason why i gave up marijuana LONG time ago. Marijuana just made me paranoid alone anyways. No disrespect to anyone who enjoys it (I just wish for the love of god they would just stop passing the bong my way when I already said no thank you like a zillion fucking times!)
And yes, she really should have just paid the fucking bribe! From what my friend tells me, there is a very blurred line between organized crime and government in Italy.
And perhaps why movements like Fascism gain traction to give order and boundaries to powers that have none.
This trial is a circus and probably more about nationalism (who are these pretty American tourists that can come here and piss on our culture and our customs). Could Amanda Knox have committed the murder? Who the hell really knows, but reasonable doubt is something the AMERICAN civil liberties union fights for.
Guilty until proven innoscent is very important, it's the notions that help mindless hysterical finger poiniting.
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Really, I'm appalled at so many of these comments that I couldn't get past #20. What's wrong with you racist a-holes attacking Charles personally. Shouldn't the comments be about the posting, not about different dialects and ways to say "my dick?" Stranger needs to bring back anti-dick deletions from comment threads. So sorry you have to put up with that BS, Charles.
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Let's see, whom to trust: A highly respected author and reporter for the NY Times, or a pseudo-intellectual philosopher with a bizarre obsession for this case who writes for a weekly freebie paper that people pick up for the bar ads and tranny hooker classifieds.
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whoops ... Max Solomon ... weed and ALCOHOL. It was Jack Danials. My true love.
Oh man that was a horrible night.
Oh man that was a horrible night.
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"#4 is right on the money. Furthermore, blaming her for not producing a waterproof alibi is shortsighted if she engaged in legal activity that doesn't produce a waterproof alibi (sometimes I really do spend the evening alone in my apartment, she claims to have been smoking hashish with her boyfriend)."
If I recall correctly, the boyfriend isn't backing up her alibi. And his alibi isn't very solid either (said he was at home all night alone on his computer, but the evidence apparently shows that the computer wasn't used).
If I recall correctly, the boyfriend isn't backing up her alibi. And his alibi isn't very solid either (said he was at home all night alone on his computer, but the evidence apparently shows that the computer wasn't used).
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@54: you drank Jack Daniels and you blame the weed for your blackout? i stand behind my assertion: you cannot black out from smoking weed or any derivation thereof.
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Max, it was weed AND jack danials ...
Fuck you turd ... I stand by my spins, puking off the balcony and mysterious occurances thereafter ...
When I smoked weed by itself, I would get bored, paranoid and scared and ornery in that order (hence whey I don't do it anymore ... more power to you if it works for you!) Personally, I'm scared shittless of the stuff, I remember exactly what I was doing and the effects it had on me. So no, it didn't make me black out.
I've blacked out on alcohol before, rarely ... but I usually pass out from exhaustion before I can black out on alcohol ... it usually involves a lot of red bull before I can get to that point.
Fuck you turd ... I stand by my spins, puking off the balcony and mysterious occurances thereafter ...
When I smoked weed by itself, I would get bored, paranoid and scared and ornery in that order (hence whey I don't do it anymore ... more power to you if it works for you!) Personally, I'm scared shittless of the stuff, I remember exactly what I was doing and the effects it had on me. So no, it didn't make me black out.
I've blacked out on alcohol before, rarely ... but I usually pass out from exhaustion before I can black out on alcohol ... it usually involves a lot of red bull before I can get to that point.
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The last thing I remember was my "friends" laughing at me when I was in a delussional rage, paranoid, with the spins, puking off the balcony, while screaming "this is not me!" at 3 am in the morning etc. etc. I have never had an experience before that, nor since ... even the time I tried to go shot for shot with my buddy who is 6'4'' 280 pounds!
Fucking stoners who think weed is the panacea for ALL the worlds ills. I'll fight for your right to smoke to the bitter end, but do me the courtesy and respect my body chemistry.
Quite honestly, I'm personally biased. I can easily see something weird happening after a night of smoking hash AND DOING SOMETHING ELSE. Lead to something nobody in their worst nightmares would have dreamt.
Fucking stoners who think weed is the panacea for ALL the worlds ills. I'll fight for your right to smoke to the bitter end, but do me the courtesy and respect my body chemistry.
Quite honestly, I'm personally biased. I can easily see something weird happening after a night of smoking hash AND DOING SOMETHING ELSE. Lead to something nobody in their worst nightmares would have dreamt.
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Not terribly impressed with Mr. Mudede's reasoning here. Despite the fact that he knows as much as Mr. Egan as to exactly what happened that night -- ie, he doesn't -- it seems a stretch to so certainly denounce a post despite the lack of evidence tying Knox to the murder.
It seems what Mudede is so ardently arguing isn't what happened that night and Knox's actual guilt, but the idea of Knox as murderer. It seems he has fully enveloped himself in that particular narrative, perhaps because the murder happening that way would somehow reinforce Mudede's view of how the world works. Certainly his near-obsessive coverage of the case hints as much. Few react as fiercely at the thought of a murderer half a world away going free as they do at the threat of a worldview shattering...
Of course I'm as full of shit as the next.
That said, the lack of respect shown to the man and the writer here in the comments is disgraceful.
It seems what Mudede is so ardently arguing isn't what happened that night and Knox's actual guilt, but the idea of Knox as murderer. It seems he has fully enveloped himself in that particular narrative, perhaps because the murder happening that way would somehow reinforce Mudede's view of how the world works. Certainly his near-obsessive coverage of the case hints as much. Few react as fiercely at the thought of a murderer half a world away going free as they do at the threat of a worldview shattering...
Of course I'm as full of shit as the next.
That said, the lack of respect shown to the man and the writer here in the comments is disgraceful.
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Rudy Guede's living across the street from Sollecito is "a fact that cannot be ignored"? Are you SERIOUS, Charles? That proves nothing- it doesn't even SUGGEST anything! If there is no credible evidence to PROVE she did it, then she should be acquitted!
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Charles Mudede:
In your criticism of Tim Egan's NYT post, you say you "doubt" that Tim's own daughter is such an innocent.
Have you no decency?
That's got to be one of the sleaziest things I've read in years.
--Casey Corr.
In your criticism of Tim Egan's NYT post, you say you "doubt" that Tim's own daughter is such an innocent.
Have you no decency?
That's got to be one of the sleaziest things I've read in years.
--Casey Corr.
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Let's imagine Tim Egan sends his daughter overseas to study in a foreign country.
Who's to say she won't become an axe murderer?
The rich are no different than you or me - they just have more problems and can throw more money at them to make them go away, which increases their tendencies towards such actions, since they don't learn much about consequences on a personal level.
Otherwise the jails would be filled with rich white kids, instead of poor black kids.
Who's to say she won't become an axe murderer?
The rich are no different than you or me - they just have more problems and can throw more money at them to make them go away, which increases their tendencies towards such actions, since they don't learn much about consequences on a personal level.
Otherwise the jails would be filled with rich white kids, instead of poor black kids.
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Charles,
You probably came across this:
http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/12…
but it is an interesting retort to readers' comments of his post the other day in the NYT.
You probably came across this:
http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/12…
but it is an interesting retort to readers' comments of his post the other day in the NYT.
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I know 2 [people] who have known Amanda (both in an Art History educational context). They each have a shrinking knowledge of her background and of her placement in the scenario haunted by J.G. I haven't actually followed this much.
Each of my acquaintances has stories that have been paused by my brute innocence. I tell them to tell them elsewhere.
Each of my acquaintances has stories that have been paused by my brute innocence. I tell them to tell them elsewhere.
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Amazing. One of the few attractive women in Seattle is stuck in a jail in Italy. Now that's an injustice!
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