Wednesday, June 10, 2009
News The Holocaust Museum Shooter
Posted by Dan Savage on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM
James Von Brunn is a "revered elder statesman" to right-wing extremists, a Neo-Nazi, a "birther," a white supremacist, a contributer to right-wing-rant-site FreeRepublic.com, and... a painter.
The security guard he shot has died.
It's going to be a long and ugly summer.
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"It's going to be a long and ugly summer."
Not if you hate Jews and baby killers! Zing!
But seriously, don't you think you're being a wee bit dramatic, Dan? This shit is just par for the course.
Not if you hate Jews and baby killers! Zing!
But seriously, don't you think you're being a wee bit dramatic, Dan? This shit is just par for the course.
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@1 He's not being overdramatic. This is a major step for white supremacists--escalation is possible, even likely. Tom Metzger's "lone wolf" model of white supremacist activism ensures that it will be hard to predict future crimes, as well.
Crap :(
Crap :(
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Why do people hate Jews? They're so funny and smart and attractive.
Also, is it racist to think that all Jews are funny and smart and attractive?
Also, is it racist to think that all Jews are funny and smart and attractive?
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@2Heard all this before. Oklahoma city bombing anyone? Right wingers and Lone Wolfs pop up time and again. But to declare this is a sudden escalation is unfounded fear mongering. I expect to hear this brand of hyperbole on the 11 o'clock news, not on the slog.
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Hm. At least they caught this Von Brunn guy.
Mehopes they don't give him the death penalty (always a bad punishment) as that will likely martyr him.
Maybe we can get the supremecists and the anti-choice zealots to fight each other.
Mehopes they don't give him the death penalty (always a bad punishment) as that will likely martyr him.
Maybe we can get the supremecists and the anti-choice zealots to fight each other.
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from folks who actually know (southern poverty law, etc), both Dan and 5 are correct. overall, hate crimes are stable because most hate crimes are someone being beaten up or raped, and there is a lot of that, all the time. some guys see a fag or a brownie or a woman and on the spur of the moment, commit a hate crime.
but apparently, the fringe is acting up. there is, in fact, a spike in people who *plan their hate crimes and carry out the more deadly and successful variety of hate crime, like today's murder of a black man at the holocaust museum, etc.
but apparently, the fringe is acting up. there is, in fact, a spike in people who *plan their hate crimes and carry out the more deadly and successful variety of hate crime, like today's murder of a black man at the holocaust museum, etc.
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Going to be a long summer.
Especially since they actually have been buying guns and ammo in record numbers.
Typical "end times" flipping out. Usually goes away after some mass genocides or a world war.
Especially since they actually have been buying guns and ammo in record numbers.
Typical "end times" flipping out. Usually goes away after some mass genocides or a world war.
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Wow... yeah, this guy didn't show any warning signs whatsoever... (from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/)
In 1983, he was convicted of attempting to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board. He was arrested two years earlier outside the room where the board was meeting, carrying a revolver, knife and sawed-off shotgun. At the time, police said Von Brunn wanted to take the members hostage because of high interest rates and the nation's economic difficulties.
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Shouldn't somebody be loudly and publicly rubbing the House Republicans' noses in this after their temper tantrums over the Homeland Security report on domestic terrorism? I expected it to come after Kansas but now it's really overdue.
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A lot of supremacists think we are now in "post-white" America and that the "race war" is imminent. So yeah, it's going to get worse.
And @9 I look forward to seeing what SPLC and ADL have to say about it. :(
And @9 I look forward to seeing what SPLC and ADL have to say about it. :(
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@7 Put them on an island and televise the brawls! Use the advertising revenue to fund education and -voila- America's problems are solved~ We're so smart~
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@4 - No, but that's because the Jews are the only culture that has a sense of humor about itself.
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I'm sure the Republicans will now be telling us that D.C citizens need the right to carry concealed firearms. Especially in Holocaust Museums.
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17 - To be fair, the Canadians mock themselves pretty much constantly. Except for the French. Fucking French...
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So the FBI is busy using paid 'informants' to facilitate helping developmentally-disabled Muslims to form terror cells, going so far as buying them guns and rocket-launchers and helping them plan synagogue bombings, and in the meantime Homeland Security is ignoring actual functioning right-wing groups that openly encourage their members to shoot abortion providers and security guards at the Holocaust Museum?
What are we paying these knuckleheads to do, exactly?
What are we paying these knuckleheads to do, exactly?
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At least this guy actually *created* the hate content that fueled his fire, as opposed to just getting it second hand from BillO, RushBo & Hannity, et al. Though we're likely to find out that he'd blocked all non-Fox stations on his TV.
@14 - That's a winner. If the guy had served in Europe in 1945, Ike would probably have forced him to walk through a Nazi death camp, with 100,000 other soldiers. That was Ike's all-time best move, as it provided a world of witnesses to the Holocaust. Too bad the "Greatest Generation" largely clammed up about their experiences. Damn PTSD.
@14 - That's a winner. If the guy had served in Europe in 1945, Ike would probably have forced him to walk through a Nazi death camp, with 100,000 other soldiers. That was Ike's all-time best move, as it provided a world of witnesses to the Holocaust. Too bad the "Greatest Generation" largely clammed up about their experiences. Damn PTSD.
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@5,
And they mostly pop up when a Democrat is in office. Who was in office when Slepian was murdered? Who was in office during the first attempt on Tiller's life? Who was in office during the Oklahoma City bombing? Wingers hate not being in control, and when they're not in control, they lash out.
And they mostly pop up when a Democrat is in office. Who was in office when Slepian was murdered? Who was in office during the first attempt on Tiller's life? Who was in office during the Oklahoma City bombing? Wingers hate not being in control, and when they're not in control, they lash out.
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"FOX is starting to wake up(?)"
No they aren't, they only have Shep on as a scripted novelty. He's the "fair and balanced" Colmes to the entire rest of their worthless shitheads.
No they aren't, they only have Shep on as a scripted novelty. He's the "fair and balanced" Colmes to the entire rest of their worthless shitheads.
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@23: Obviously Eisenhower couldn't have all of the U.S. military serving in Europe walk though the Camps - but what he was able to do was to command that all of the film crews that were under command of Allied forces be deployed to liberated camps and to record and have irrefutable proof for all time the crimes that took place so that 'no one could ever deny' that it happened.
At the Center that I volunteer at we have a section called "the Abyss" which consists of several screens on which loops of (some of) these films (ones from the U.S. and U.K. forces) run continuously.
Ike did force several of the townspeople who lived near some of the Camps to walk through them and to aid in the burial of the bodies.
At the Center that I volunteer at we have a section called "the Abyss" which consists of several screens on which loops of (some of) these films (ones from the U.S. and U.K. forces) run continuously.
Ike did force several of the townspeople who lived near some of the Camps to walk through them and to aid in the burial of the bodies.
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Dan is not over reacting. The DHS, warned us of this:
http://www.thegayatheist.com/2009/06/dhs…
I only see this getting worse!
http://www.thegayatheist.com/2009/06/dhs…
I only see this getting worse!
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The guy who shot up the Holocaust museum today and killed the black security guard was like a white Louis Farrakhan. I wonder if Farrkhan thinks he's wickedly great. I wonder if Jerimiah Wright would have no problem if he did. I wonder why people with views like this guy were allowed to speak without any objection at the State of the Black Union rubbing elbows with Tavis Smiley, NAACP, members of the Black Congressional Cancaus, etc.
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Mr. Savage,
Von Brunn, like all Nazis and anti-Semites is not welcome on FR. That one of his pieces was cross posted from a Norwegian Site proves only that some Birthers are idiots and don’t do any actual research before posting. (Note the irony.)
But to link Nazis, antisemites and “zelous anti-Zionists” to FreeRepublic is a joke. They are all banned within a few hours. This is more than I can say for Huffington Post, MyBarackObama, Democratic Underground, The Progressive and many more.
People post the writings of many authors including leftists, liberals, moderates… on FreeRepublic. I can find many pieces by EJ Dionne. Is his work also Free Republic writing? Is Dionne a “featured writer”?
In fact, some of your work has been posted to FreeRepublic. Does that make Dan Savage a Freeper?
No, it makes him a man committing slander thiugh fallacious Guilt By Association.
Von Brunn, like all Nazis and anti-Semites is not welcome on FR. That one of his pieces was cross posted from a Norwegian Site proves only that some Birthers are idiots and don’t do any actual research before posting. (Note the irony.)
But to link Nazis, antisemites and “zelous anti-Zionists” to FreeRepublic is a joke. They are all banned within a few hours. This is more than I can say for Huffington Post, MyBarackObama, Democratic Underground, The Progressive and many more.
People post the writings of many authors including leftists, liberals, moderates… on FreeRepublic. I can find many pieces by EJ Dionne. Is his work also Free Republic writing? Is Dionne a “featured writer”?
In fact, some of your work has been posted to FreeRepublic. Does that make Dan Savage a Freeper?
No, it makes him a man committing slander thiugh fallacious Guilt By Association.
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Nonononononon domestic terrorists are not white (but any shade of beige will do)
That's just the way it is – crazy world, go figure (note to self, keep out of the sun).
Self-deprecation is a form of Satan, and Jews are evil – (this eye no cuz cheeses tells me sew)
Salaam Shalom Peace (except for juice)
That's just the way it is – crazy world, go figure (note to self, keep out of the sun).
Self-deprecation is a form of Satan, and Jews are evil – (this eye no cuz cheeses tells me sew)
Salaam Shalom Peace (except for juice)
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The museum is canceling the scheduled play. I really hope they change their minds. The attack was clearly done to prevent the play. I hate to use such a phrase, but if they cancel it, they're "letting the terrorists win".
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