Monday, June 8, 2009
News Maybe You Could All Go Fuck Yourselves?
Posted by Dan Savage on Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:30 AM
Abortion protesters in Wichita, Kansas, suddenly have nothing but time on their hands.
For the first time in years, only a Wichita police car has been waiting outside the abortion clinic of Dr. George R. Tiller, who was shot to death a week ago. Gone are the trucks bearing enormous images of bloody fetuses, the signs offering the home addresses of clinic workers, the crowd of protesters yelling to women as they enter.... This city of 358,000 people, once the focal point of protests because of four abortion clinics—most significantly Dr. Tiller’s, which provided rare late-term abortions—last week had no abortion facility open for business, no target in chief, no immediate reason for this network of anti-abortion forces to be based here.“I don’t know what the future holds,” said Troy Newman, the president of Operation Rescue, one of the most well-known anti-abortion organizations.
George Tiller's killer says that he knows what the future holds: more murders by "pro-life" terrorists.
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Maybe they'll dedicate their time to helping better the lives the unwanted and neglected babies? Oh right, after the baby is born, it's on it's own.
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That should be "better the lives of the unwanted". I really need to start proof reading what I post.
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Rob;
It sounds like you're in the mood to go out and kill a few neglected children. You think they would be better off dead and dismembered than alive and breathing with a chance to make their lives better?
Gordon
It sounds like you're in the mood to go out and kill a few neglected children. You think they would be better off dead and dismembered than alive and breathing with a chance to make their lives better?
Gordon
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@4: Are you talking about the fetuses that have no brain development or other horrific birth defects that would make them unable to live outside the womb? Because those are the kinds of issues this doctor was working with. But I guess there is proof of children living to adulthood without the benefit of a brain, Gordon.
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4, Sounds to me like you only care about fetuses. After the fetus becomes a child, your response is, "Fuck-em!". Why are, almost without exception, the anti-choice folks also against welfare for the children that are born? As long as the fetus carried to term, you don't care what happens after that.
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Gordon, from your comments it seems like you think abortion is murder. Are you in favor of putting the 50 million women who've had abortions in jail for 20+ years, or are you in favor of giving them lethal injections?
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If aborted fetuses go to Heaven, shouldn't we be praising abortion doctors rather than shooting them? Children born can sin, so are by definition more likely to be found wanting at judgement. The aborted get a guaranteed express line into paradise. Isn't that what this earthly life is about?
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@10 All they would have to do is have a couple of Mormons come in and baptize them after they die, like they've been doing with Jews.
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Relax girls...
Every day THOUSANDS of babies will continue to be slaughtered-
Tiller's death won't even cause a hickup in the
"choice" death machine.
Every day THOUSANDS of babies will continue to be slaughtered-
Tiller's death won't even cause a hickup in the
"choice" death machine.
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I'm somewhat surprised these tasteless zealots aren't outside with signs saying, "Victory!" or "We Won!" Maybe have "We Are the Champions" playing over the loudspeaker for added effect. It wouldn't be too-far removed from their regular tactics of sporting signage of bloody fetuses and shouting obscenities at women who are in-route to a difficult, extremely personal ordeal. Shouldn't they celebrate this temporary "victory" with the same audacity and vulgarity that got them here in the first place?
Sadly, the counter-protesters could simply hold up signs claiming, "Terrorism Works."
Sadly, the counter-protesters could simply hold up signs claiming, "Terrorism Works."
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12, and don't you worry lil' Miss Save The Fetuses, THOUSANDS of born babies will continue to suffer from neglect, and die because they'll never receive a bit of help from the likes of you. In fact, by and large, it's the anti abortion folks like you who fight tooth and nail against programs, like SCHIP, that actually help babies.
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@13,
Of course they're not doing that. If they respond to an assassination with glee, they risk alienating the large number of Americans who are squicked out about abortion, but aren't interested in seeing doctors murdered. Once average Americans associate pro-"lifers" with murderers, the "debate" is over.
Of course they're not doing that. If they respond to an assassination with glee, they risk alienating the large number of Americans who are squicked out about abortion, but aren't interested in seeing doctors murdered. Once average Americans associate pro-"lifers" with murderers, the "debate" is over.
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@12 - I'm glad you realize NOTHING can stop women from exercising castle rights when faced with intruders.
"Troy Newman, president of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, read about Roeder's statement and e-mailed The Associated Press, saying: 'This guy is a fruit and a lunatic.'"
Not sure that word means what he thinks it means...
"Troy Newman, president of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, read about Roeder's statement and e-mailed The Associated Press, saying: 'This guy is a fruit and a lunatic.'"
Not sure that word means what he thinks it means...
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@20: One of the only unfortunate aspects of legal abortion is that people who are smart enough to realize they can't take care of a baby can choose not to while people like you who are too dumb to breathe through their nose, let alone operate a condom, continue to spawn in ever-growing numbers.
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Ah, the age old question of what to do with the soldiers after the battle/war/fight is over.
Now that their main 'reason for being' is gone - and you can be sure that many of these people have identified with the anti-choice movement to such an extent that it is/was the defining characteristic of their lives - maybe these people will be despondent enough to put themselves out of their misery.
Wouldn't be the first time for fighters who have outlived their fights.
Just sayin'.
Now that their main 'reason for being' is gone - and you can be sure that many of these people have identified with the anti-choice movement to such an extent that it is/was the defining characteristic of their lives - maybe these people will be despondent enough to put themselves out of their misery.
Wouldn't be the first time for fighters who have outlived their fights.
Just sayin'.
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Gordon, et. al. we've all heard the emotionally-charged abortion access obstructionist rhetoric before, as if repeating abortion is murder a thousand more times will somehow make it true. It doesn't. We know this. Obstructionists are inclined to believe it even in the face of academic analysis of the topic due to a matter of attitude polarization; it's just easier and more comfortable to stay the course.
~ We're clear that obstructionists are not pro-life when it comes to any other topic, such as war, capital punishment or the use of assassination or terror to further their own agenda.
~ We're clear that obstructionists are not interested reducing the number of abortions in this country other than through intimidation or legal denial of services. This includes broadening the range of available birth control, creating state-run or charity-run incentives to keep and raise children, or the development of ectogenesis for human use.
~ We're clear that obstructionists do not understand the circumstances that warrant late term abortions such as fetal anomalies incompatable with life. More importantly, we are clear that they do not want to know or care.
~ We're clear that it's not really about saving children, hence the absense of any concern for human beings after they are born; far more likely, obstructionists are interested in children as a punitive consequence of sex.
In recent SLOG threads, we've established all of this. Until they come up with something new, they're no more than trolls.
~ We're clear that obstructionists are not pro-life when it comes to any other topic, such as war, capital punishment or the use of assassination or terror to further their own agenda.
~ We're clear that obstructionists are not interested reducing the number of abortions in this country other than through intimidation or legal denial of services. This includes broadening the range of available birth control, creating state-run or charity-run incentives to keep and raise children, or the development of ectogenesis for human use.
~ We're clear that obstructionists do not understand the circumstances that warrant late term abortions such as fetal anomalies incompatable with life. More importantly, we are clear that they do not want to know or care.
~ We're clear that it's not really about saving children, hence the absense of any concern for human beings after they are born; far more likely, obstructionists are interested in children as a punitive consequence of sex.
In recent SLOG threads, we've established all of this. Until they come up with something new, they're no more than trolls.
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The law defines what is and is not murder, and abortion is not murder.
Since Roeder states more of this is "planned", he and Troy Newman and Randall Terry should all be waterboarded to gain intelligence on future terrorist acts.
Since Roeder states more of this is "planned", he and Troy Newman and Randall Terry should all be waterboarded to gain intelligence on future terrorist acts.
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As much as I have vengeance fantasies of my own, jimmy, I would have to disagree with you as to the fate of Roeder (or Newman or Terry) for that matter. He should not be waterboarded, as much as he deserves it.
Firstly, waterboarding isn't used to extract intelligence so much as to confirm intel we've already extracted by other means, or it's used to extract false intelligence that suits our purpose (i.e. justifying a war in Iraq). If you wanted to extract from Roeder that he conspired with and was prompted by the leadership of the American Coalition of Life Activists, the National Right to Life Committee and Operation Rescue when he shot Tiller, waterboarding would be the way to do it.
But secondly and more importantly, we're supposed to be the good guys. We're supposed to be fair and treat those bastards with the same respect that we'd want, were we in their position, no matter how likely it is that they wouldn't reciprocate. We do it not in hopes of a more civilized conflict, but because we're better than them.
Firstly, waterboarding isn't used to extract intelligence so much as to confirm intel we've already extracted by other means, or it's used to extract false intelligence that suits our purpose (i.e. justifying a war in Iraq). If you wanted to extract from Roeder that he conspired with and was prompted by the leadership of the American Coalition of Life Activists, the National Right to Life Committee and Operation Rescue when he shot Tiller, waterboarding would be the way to do it.
But secondly and more importantly, we're supposed to be the good guys. We're supposed to be fair and treat those bastards with the same respect that we'd want, were we in their position, no matter how likely it is that they wouldn't reciprocate. We do it not in hopes of a more civilized conflict, but because we're better than them.
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