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Wednesday, June 3, 2009

New Hampshire Gov Signs Gay Marriage Law

Posted by Dan Savage on Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Story here.

"6 down, 44 to go," says my pal Rex Wockner.

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Good Grief 1
Great news for New Hampshire and a good sign for making changes in the rest of the country.

Nice to see that you and Dick Cheney agree on something for once....oh wait, make that twice.
Posted by Good Grief on June 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM
kim in portland 2
Yay, for equality.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpCxY05dqs on June 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM
3
Nevada should be next, if only to claim Lucky #7.
Posted by blah on June 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM
nos 4
thats 12% of the states :) and most of that in the last few months! how AWSOME
Posted by nos http://twitter.com/NOSaturn on June 3, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Hyzenthlayk9 5
Great news. Hearing that made my day brighter.
Posted by Hyzenthlayk9 http://oystermind.blogspot.com/ on June 3, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Loveschild 6
This is a fire that will be contained within those 6 states, as other states see how this law has been implemented they will take action.

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/bu…

And as these six states see the years pass without any native born population they too will come to reverse this error since they will realize that aside from the health risks gay marriage may well be another form of birth control.
Posted by Loveschild http://www.marriagedebate.com on June 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM
7
Hooray New Hampshire.
@Loveschild: I'm pretty sure the heteros are still going to go at it like rabbits, even if those there queers can say "I do". Perhaps you have some homosexual longings and so assume that anyone who lives in a state where gays are legally equal would obviously take advantage. Most actual heterosexuals (myself included) don't see gays getting married and decide we are going to stop having sex with the opposite sex. I love me some penis and it does not matter how many gay and lesbian couples tie the knot, I'm always going to love me some penis.
Posted by Jen D on June 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM
hartiepie 8
@6 -- "health risks" ? Birth control?

What are you talking about?

What health risks are inherent in marriage??

Do you even try to make sense??
Posted by hartiepie on June 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM
9
“I am concerned when the state makes a law that would allow a black man and a white women to be married,” “We, as a people, have coexisted for years, for eons. Why do we need to change that? We, as a church, still hold the belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman of the same race.”

Using your own interpretation of the Bible sounded ridiculous when it was used to justify racism and it sounds ridiculous when it's used to justify homophobia. After all, slavery existed for eons and was approved by the Bible, why would the government try and change that? Miscegnation laws was approved by the Bible and existed for ages, why should the government interfere with that?

I keep forgetting, it's racist to point out the Bible endores racism, but it's totally not bigoted to use Christianity as an excuse to deny gays rights...
Posted by Jen D on June 3, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Loveschild 10
8 I do want to believe that you already know that two men cannot reproduce through their unions neither can two women. Having clarified that, in case you did not know, homosexual men who are sexually active experience many diseases, including:

1· Human Papillomavirus (HPV), which causes most cases of cervical cancer in women and anal cancer in men

2· Hepatitis A, B, and C

3· Gonorrhea

4· Syphilis

5· "Gay Bowel Syndrome," a set of sexually transmitted gastrointestinal problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis

6· HIV/AIDS (One Canadian study found that as a result of HIV alone, "life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men.")

Lesbians who engage in sex with other women also experience higher ocurrences of :

1· Bacterial vaginosis

2· Hepatitis C

3· HIV risk behaviors

4· Cancer risk factors such as smoking, alcohol use, poor diet, and being more overweight than straight women.

Throw in with that how incompatible gay commitments are with monogamy and couple it with a higher prevalence of mental health problems and you've got you answer.

There's no other option left for those on others states left like me to inform our family, neighboor co-workers about this to ensure that we keep this contained and not have this experimentation visit us on our cities, towns, neighboorhods and our doors.

Posted by Loveschild http://www.marriagedebate.com on June 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM
11
When my 12 year old daughter came in from playing today I had the great pleasure of telling her she now lived in a state that allowed same sex marriage. She was very very happy.

Loveschild, she was not happy because she felt that she could now become gay and never have children. In fact I'm pretty sure her sexual orientation was unchanged by the news.

We are both very happy to live now in one of the "cool" states even though neither of us will ever get "gay married".

My daughter would like to add something about how much of an idiot Loveschild is but I think that would be redundant.
Posted by dearduskyNH on June 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM
12
Yay, New Hampshire!

@6 Without gay marriage, gays will have babies instead? You're adorable.
Posted by rose in belltown on June 3, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Gordon Werner 13
is it legal to stand next to the anti-domestic partnership referendum signature gatherers while holding a sign that says "Bigot" with an arrow pointing at the people who might sign it?
Posted by Gordon Werner on June 3, 2009 at 4:56 PM
merry 14
"Love"schild, you're nasty.

And ---> obsolete. :-)

Posted by merry on June 3, 2009 at 4:58 PM
hartiepie 15
@10 -- All of those diseases and conditions are also heterosexually transmitted. They have nothing to do with marriage whatsoever.

You should be PRAYING for more marriage for everybody since people who are married don't typically sleep around etc etc.

And as for the waaaaay old observation you keep bringing up about homosexuals not having children: well, I am speechless. Just where do you suppose gay people come from? There'll be plenty of sex from gay folk and straight folk no matter what.

And most of the babies will be straight and some won't be.

What does any of that have to do with MARRIAGE?

Posted by hartiepie on June 3, 2009 at 5:01 PM
kim in portland 16
@ 6

"And as these six states see the years pass without any native born population they too will come to reverse this error since they will realize that aside from the health risks gay marriage may well be another form of birth control."

Are you trying to say, that the state of Mass. has had a zero birth rate and a sudden increase in health risks since they granted marriage equality?
Posted by kim in portland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpCxY05dqs on June 3, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Michael of the Green 17
I'll take the bait, Loveschild. Why would "years pass without any native born population"? You're usually better at explaining yourself (however absurd your logic), but I can't quite figure this one out. Please indulge us.
Posted by Michael of the Green on June 3, 2009 at 5:18 PM
kim in portland 18
Loveschild @ 10

You realize someone could take this information from the Center for Disease Control, and make the same argument that you are using against your own community. Would you like some groups to start demanding that African Americans be stripped of their right to marry? I wouldn't, because it is immoral, discriminatory and it has NOTHING to do with marriage. I sure in the hell wouldn't vote for it either, or sign a referendum to but it on a ballot. Or ask that African Americans to compromise and settle for Domestic Partnerships or Civil Unions, because of it either.

HIV/AIDS and African Americans

Of all racial and ethnic groups in the United States, HIV and AIDS have hit African Americans the hardest. The reasons are not directly related to race or ethnicity, but rather to some of the barriers faced by many African Americans. These barriers can include poverty (being poor), sexually transmitted diseases, and stigma (negative attitudes, beliefs, and actions directed at people living with HIV/AIDS or directed at people who do things that might put them at risk for HIV).

When we look at HIV/AIDS by race and ethnicity, we see that African Americans have

More illness. Even though blacks (including African Americans) account for about 13% of the US population, they account for about half (49%) of the people who get HIV and AIDS.
Shorter survival times. Blacks with AIDS often don’t live as long as people of other races and ethnic groups with AIDS. This is due to the barriers mentioned above.
More deaths. For African Americans and other blacks, HIV/AIDS is a leading cause of death.

http://www.cdc.gov
Posted by kim in portland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpCxY05dqs on June 3, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Will in Seattle 19
"And the wall, came tumbling tumbling, down ..."
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on June 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Theo Magyar 20
Hurray for NH!

LC, the fires of damnation haven't affected Canada since gay marriage was legalized some time ago.....diseases haven't increased and it hasn't rained blood and frogs yet either.

And gay marriage as birth control? Huh? Are you suggesting that without gay marriage, gays are having hetero sex?
Posted by Theo Magyar http://connexionsandcontradictions.blogspot.com/ on June 3, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Donolectic 21
I'm sorry, I just can't seriously debate someone who lists "Gay Bowel Syndrome" as a legitimate disease. Provide me a link to it on WebMD and then we'll talk.
Posted by Donolectic on June 3, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Loveschild 22
18 Sure, when you have money to indulge such proclivities all can be hidden,

http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=n…

That doesn't take away their contributions to the spreading though. And communities of color can't afford to hide whatever diseases afflict them.

trends are also being noticed in Iowa and they'll become more sharp as the recent court imposition is taught at the school level and time passes,

http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/ar…

Our youth are our future and they deserve to LIVE a healthy and productive live. Their welfare cannot be dismissed in order to please adult interest groups.
Posted by Loveschild http://www.marriagedebate.com on June 3, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Donolectic 23
Loveschild, let's talk about your fondness for cartoon pictures of rats kissing instead since logic doesn't seem to be your strong point.
Posted by Donolectic on June 3, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Donolectic 24
In Loveschild's world, cartoon rats can only kiss other cartoon rats. And cartoon ducks can only kiss other cartoon ducks!

I wonder what would've happened if Daisy Duck had the hots for Mickey? I wonder if Loveschild would be leading the electrical parade to keep them from getting together.

"Disney created DUCK AND DUCK, not DUCK AND MOUSE!"

Posted by Donolectic on June 3, 2009 at 6:25 PM
25
I'm new to this, so maybe someone could help me out. Loveschild won't elaborate on her assertions about population problems with gay marriage. Are there really people who believe this? And what exactly is the "logic" behind it? It's gonna bug me.
Posted by rose in belltown on June 3, 2009 at 6:27 PM
kim in portland 26
Okay Loveschild @ 22,

1) How can your link about Iowa, that states HIV infection rates for 2008, have any bearing on marriage equality in Iowa which which became a reality in 2009? Apples to oranges, doesn't work.

So, I'll play. Let's compare Florida (In 1997, the Florida Legislature overwhelmingly adopted the Defense of Marriage Act, which specifically states marriage is the "union between one man and one woman" and bars the state from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states. And, in 2008 passed laws to ban gay marriage and civil unions) against all six states with marriage equality, and lets compare them on pediatric HIV/AIDS patients, because your issue is with the children of the future. Will use: www.statehealthfacts.org. We will be comparing each states percentage of pediatric patients diagnosed with HIV/AIDS.

Florida (bans same-sex marriage).... 16.1%

Mass. (marriage equality) .......... 2.3%
Conn. (marriage equality) .......... 1.9%
Iowa (marriage equality) .......... 0.1%
Vermont (marriage equality) ........ 0.1%
Maine (marriage equality) .......... 0.1%
New Hamp. (marriage equality) ...... 0.1%

Interesting to note that Florida's percentage of pediatric HIV/AIDS patients is nearly 4 times greater the number of pediatric patients in the six marriage equality states combined. In fact the combined total of the six marriage equality states is about the same precentage as Texas.

You still want to claim that same-sex marriage is to blame?

Posted by kim in portland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpCxY05dqs on June 3, 2009 at 8:01 PM
kim in portland 27
Rose in Belltown,

Yes, Loveschild appears to really believe all this. She is for traditional marriage, click on her name. She has been commenting since Feb., she commented in Feb. (I'm paraphrasing) that by allowing gays to marry, and therefore play house, that the population will decrease because children will not have proper role models, they will be enticed into the "Gay Lifestyle", the number of Americans will die off, and our borders will become vulnerable. To be fair, go check out her comments yourself on "Shhh.... We are Silencing the Christians". Also, to be fair, she states that she supports Domestic Partnerships, Civil Unions, The Matthew Shepherd act. She has stated in the past that she is opposed to gays and lesbians raising children, adopting them, etc.

And, I of course could also be completely clueless as well. So, you should just read her comments yourself. She comments on just about everyone of Savage's posts, and any other about gay rights and marriage equality.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpCxY05dqs on June 3, 2009 at 8:17 PM
very bad homo 28
Yes, Loveschild, once you allow gay marriage in the state, everyone in that state will be forced to become gay and get lots of diseases.
Posted by very bad homo on June 3, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Theo Magyar 29
Loveschild:

The percentage of infectious diseases hasn't gone up in Canada since we legalized gay marriage. Nor has god rained fire and brimstone and blood and frogs down on us Canadians. In fact, life goes on much as it did before - except life is better for the GLBT community. So why do you think that the world will end if gays and lesbians cease being treated as third rate citizens in the States? Just wondering - cuz our cultures are very similar in many ways. Do you have an explanation?
Posted by Theo Magyar http://connexionsandcontradictions.blogspot.com/ on June 3, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Indy 30
Hey Loveschild,
I'm a hetero living in Utah. Me 'n the missus have four kids (whom we are raising as liberals. Gasp!) If this state ever legalizes gay marriage of its own free will, then I promise to have another kid.

Where's your "zero native birth rate" now?
Posted by Indy on June 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM
31
Um, Indy? The wife here. Guess we're both catching up on Slog tonight. While I think it's admirable that you want to up the number of Democrats in Utah, I have to let you know that my uterus is pretty tired out. My boobs are done too, once I get J. weaned (any day now, since he turns two next week). So ask one of the sister wives.
Posted by katallred on June 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM
32
Indy, I have a little crush on your avatar. Hummannaaaaa. Is that you, and would you be willing to have that 5th kid via me?
Posted by rose in belltown on June 3, 2009 at 11:12 PM
33
Thanks, Kim, for the recap. I've perused LC's comments, per your suggestion, and am at a loss for words. I'm so glad that you're around to balance that bizarre perspective (do you think she's alone?).

One more question (humbly presented): could she be a "troll"? Does she exist outside of the imagination of Dan Savage? Could she even BE Dan Savage? Again, I'm new to this, so I'm not sure how this works.
Posted by rose in belltown on June 3, 2009 at 11:25 PM
34
13, Gordon Werner, I think that would be legal, if it's legal for them to condemn others to fiery damnation for wanting to bone someone with similar plumbing.
Posted by blah on June 4, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Rob in Baltimore 35
Watching Loveschild lose her mind as state after state legalizes gay marriage is excellent.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://domaflipflop.com/ on June 4, 2009 at 5:14 AM
Rob in Baltimore 36
Watching Loveschild lose her mind as state after state legalizes gay marriage is excellent.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://domaflipflop.com/ on June 4, 2009 at 5:14 AM
37
@10
As a nurse practitioner, I need to correct some of your biggest mistakes.

Hepatitis A is transmitted by the fecal-oral route (ie eating food prepared by someone who is a carrier and did not wash their hands)

Hepatitis C is almost never transmitted sexually.

I have treated many people with gonorrhea and chlamydia and all of them were straight. This is anectdotal and proves nothing, but I'm just saying.

WTF!!!-Cancer risk factors are higher in lesbians? Do you have any documentation to back this up? In my experience this risk factors are much higher in the African American and Hispanic communities (which actually translates to lower socioeconomic status and lack of access to health care). Maybe all the black and hispanic men and women I treat are secret lesbians; who knew?

Anecdotally, the vast majority of alcholics I have treated are white males. Come to think of it they want to have sex with women, lesbians want to have sex with women; I guess they are all lesbians, too.

Posted by Usually a lurker on June 4, 2009 at 7:01 AM
kim in portland 38
Rose @ 33,

Anything and everything is possible here on Slog. I've read comments made by her, and read comments by Dan Savage that followed addressing what she said. He dedicated an entire post to her a week or two ago. I view her as legitimate, i.e. not a "troll", as do many others. My gut is they are not the same person, and I base that off of a few human to human conversations with him. His devotion to his family over the phone, doesn't jive with attacking them here on threads. That's my $.02. I hope that helps.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpCxY05dqs on June 4, 2009 at 7:10 AM
39
I'm starting to have a odd theory about Love's Child, because I can't see how such a conservative mind would want to constantly check out what Savage has to say about anything.

My theory is that maybe she is acting. She acts like a conservative to stir up some debates, and ultimately show how ridiculous the other side's argument has become.

No biggie, just a hunch.
Posted by Ric in L.A. on June 4, 2009 at 9:12 AM
40
Haha, I also think @33 has a point.

If it is Savage, then it's probably because boredom hurts.
Posted by Ric in L.A. on June 4, 2009 at 9:19 AM
41
I think Lovechild loves the abuse her posts attracts. I've met people like her before. She's one of those christians that thrives on abuse, convinced that christians are an oppressed group. The more outrageous her statements, the more abuse she recieves, the more she is convinced that she is correct in her "logic".
Posted by Dan on June 4, 2009 at 9:52 AM
42
Has anybody had the pleasure to meet LC in person? I'm just curious.
Probably not, I guess that's the point of an online community.
Posted by Ric in L.A. on June 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM
kim in portland 43
42,

Never met her. A lot doesn't add up either. Her crash course since Feb. of becoming devout and knowing the scriptures, whereas before she said she didn't attend church and didn't know the Bible. She says she is in her 20s, has kids, two of which are six feet tall, African American, and was born and raised in Texas. Her writing style is erratic, at best. So, who knows.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpCxY05dqs on June 4, 2009 at 12:33 PM
44
My theory on Loveschild? All of you are a little right. I doubt she's young and I seriously doubt she's black. Hell, I'm skeptical that she's even female. I mean, saying she's young and black . . . that doesn't fit the mold. That's meant to throw off our "they're all old, white trash, irrelevant, and will die soon" statements.

No, LC is a guy, a white one, a conservative one, probably in his mid-40s. Non-reader. Deeply guilty masturbater. Lonely. Stupid.

He comes here because he's repressed. He may be straight or gay. Doesn't matter. Either way he's repressed. And guilty-ridden. He seriously gets off on the abuse.

I've seen this on numerous other sites since the Internet began. Fundy Christians would much rather suffer the dog piles they get on liberal sites, rather than simply hang out on their own sites like . . . god what are they now? I remember Free Republic, Town Hall, Little Green Footballs. Are those still around? The people at those sites spent 90% of their time getting info. that they could then go and post on liberal sites and argue about it.

As always, I could be full of shit. I'll never know, however, because w7ngman saved me with his magicks.
Posted by jade on June 4, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Michael of the Green 45
@44 Your forensics are impressive. What do you think of (her) handle and of (her) avatar? I think there are clues therein to reveal some interesting truths (Disney, extramarital pregnancies...). I don't care "who" (she) is, but I'd love to know where (she) comes from. Your thoughts?
Posted by Michael of the Green on June 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM
46
#45. Hmm. It's been so long since I've seen LC's avatar, I'd forgotten. I honestly don't know if he's (?) ever explained it because I began skimming and skipping his(?) posts a long time ago. But when I first saw it, I immediately thought of Love Wins Out, the ex-gay movement. He's the "child," of--the successful result of--the Agape Love, or whatever the hell they think they are.

Disney? Gay Days. Many gays love Disney.

The extramarital pregnancies I can't really comment about because they could so easily be a lie.

But, yes, I think that we can add to my list: No, LC is a guy, a white one, a conservative one, probably in his mid-40s. Non-reader. Deeply guilty masturbater. Lonely. Stupid. Gay.

As always, I could be full of shit.
Posted by jade on June 5, 2009 at 4:23 AM
47
#45. Hmm. It's been so long since I've seen LC's avatar, I'd forgotten. I honestly don't know if he's (?) ever explained it because I began skimming and skipping his(?) posts a long time ago. But when I first saw his(?) user name, I immediately thought of Love Wins Out, the ex-gay movement.

Disney? Gay Days. Many gays love Disney.

The extramarital pregnancies I can't really comment about because they could so easily be a lie.

But, yes, I think that we can add to my list: No, LC is a guy, a white one, a conservative one, probably in his mid-40s. Non-reader. Deeply guilty masturbater. Lonely. Stupid. Gay.

As always, I could be full of shit.
Posted by jade on June 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM
48
Ahem. My #47 post makes more sense.
Posted by jade on June 5, 2009 at 4:26 AM
49
I think rose in belltown is Loveschild. She just asked that question because she thought we weren't paying enough attention to her.
Posted by usuallyi'minsandiego on June 5, 2009 at 10:09 AM

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