Wednesday, June 3, 2009
Life I'm Just Saying: World's Greatest Bike Path
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:33 AM
More on last Friday's ride—which prompted 315 heated comments, including some commenters saying I must be "brainwashed" for having enjoyed that beautiful, beautiful, beautiful ride and other commenters saying they would like bicyclists to be murdered—here.
The Gold-Star Comment award goes to Michael of the Green:
Damn, I don't have enough time to read more than the first page of comments, but, holy shit, you guys have no clue about the point of CM, nor the fun of it, nor any sense of humor, nor the self-awareness to — if you're caught in traffic for a few minutes behind some bikers on the last Friday night of the month, AFTER WORK — to consider that you should maybe take your vitriol as a sign that your life's priorities are badly skewed.... Honestly, there are things in this world more worthy of your wrath. I'm not a biker, but I'm inclined to bike now on Final Fridays, if only to piss you assholes off. Maybe after enough times, you'll get it. You'll see that it's not a selfish thing on the part of the bikers, but a gift to your sorry asses.
UPDATED: Seriously, can we talk about the bike-path option? Is the viaduct as unsafe/dangerous/liable-to-fall-down-someday if bikes were to use it every day instead of cars? I'm genuinely curious. You can argue all you want about why I posted more photos, but the actual reason is: (1) It's a beautiful day, kind of like last Friday; (2) I'm proud of my notoriously shitty cell phone camera for once, and just remembered I had these this morning when I was idly thinking about how beautiful that ride was last week; and (3) I think we should turn the viaduct into a bike path. Just take a deep breath and stop thinking about whether I'm an asshole or not, and imagine that bike path. Imagine there's no highway. (It's easy if you try!) Imagine how many people would ride bikes to work.
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Yeah, Michael of the Green's comment still doesn't make CM riders or their actions okay.
I can think of a few other comments in that thread that were way more deserving of a gold star than this one.
I can think of a few other comments in that thread that were way more deserving of a gold star than this one.
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So does this mean you and the other bike hobbyists will stop riding on sidewalks when there are empty bike lanes or sharrows 3' away?
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"Honestly, there are things in this world more worthy of your wrath," said the guy who was pissed about people being pissed about bicyclists.
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I don't own a car, and didn't get a driver's license until last year (when I was 28). I ride my bike everywhere, every day. I commute from Wallingford to Everett mostly on 99. I have ridden CM several times (generally I can't get to downtown Seattle from Everett in time). Overall I would say I'm very pro-bike and I firmly believe that bikes belong on the road.
All of that being said, blocking traffic on the viaduct is dumb. We aren't delivering a message, we are going where we don't belong, and we are doing it for purely selfish reasons. I'm sure it's fun, I bet it is beautiful and exhilarating to ride your bike up there. That doesn't mean we should do it. It makes motorists justifiably angry at cyclists.
Please please PLEASE do not ride your bike on the viaduct.
All of that being said, blocking traffic on the viaduct is dumb. We aren't delivering a message, we are going where we don't belong, and we are doing it for purely selfish reasons. I'm sure it's fun, I bet it is beautiful and exhilarating to ride your bike up there. That doesn't mean we should do it. It makes motorists justifiably angry at cyclists.
Please please PLEASE do not ride your bike on the viaduct.
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technically when you and the other self absorbed dickwads were breaking the law, it was not "afterwork" for many people. Not everyone has the pleasure of working 9-5 or the such.
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it's not that you shouldn't have enjoyed the ride, and in an ideal world our forefathers wouldn't have built a fucking freeway on the best piece of property in the city, but alas, they did and jamming bikes on it during rush hour is not only unsafe but counterproductive to the cause.
but anything to make a pt, right?
but anything to make a pt, right?
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Do you have pre-written copy ready to go so you can sound soulful and authentic when one of these fucks gets killed? Like those advance obituaries for celebrities?
I mean I'm just saying there's going to be a lot of you types clamoring to say something about the death of the Critical Mass rider and what it means and how nobody saw it coming and so on, and if you don't get something really good hammered out ahead of time you're not going to get much attention when it happens.
I mean I'm just saying there's going to be a lot of you types clamoring to say something about the death of the Critical Mass rider and what it means and how nobody saw it coming and so on, and if you don't get something really good hammered out ahead of time you're not going to get much attention when it happens.
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if you're caught in traffic for a few minutes behind some bikers on the last Friday night of the month, AFTER WORK — to consider that you should maybe take your vitriol as a sign that your life's priorities are badly skewed....
I'll be sure to use this argument the next time a guy on a bike swears at me when I'm making a right turn and he zooms around me on the right hand side. If he's caught in traffic for three seconds behind traffic...priorities...etc.
It doesn't matter where or when or for how long; bicycles don't belong on the highway, and shouldn't be blocking intersections to run lights.
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I actually never learned how to ride a bike, I never had one as a kid... I have never met anyone else doesnt know how to ride a bike; I am pretty sure that this lack of knowledge will someday get me thrown out of Seattle and the northwest in general...
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I am sure someone more versed in traffic patterns can comment more, but the "few minutes" is not correct.
There is a carry-on effect to on ramps and then surrounding streets. This stunt didnt only effect people behind the riders on 99.
Also what would have happened if there was an ambulance attempting to use 99 or reach the emergency room at Swedish in Ballard with all the roads corked and traffic backed up around the hospital?
There is a carry-on effect to on ramps and then surrounding streets. This stunt didnt only effect people behind the riders on 99.
Also what would have happened if there was an ambulance attempting to use 99 or reach the emergency room at Swedish in Ballard with all the roads corked and traffic backed up around the hospital?
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You what annoys me most about Michael of the Green's comment? The entitlement. Of course nobody would be going to work on a Friday night, or trying to pick up their kids from after school events. Nope, not a chance.
So I am glad you enjoyed your bike ride. You know what else is fun, trashing hotel rooms and making messes! Its not like the house keepers are people. I mean a lot of them are not even white, or young.
Personally I try to not enjoy myself at the direct expense of others.
So I am glad you enjoyed your bike ride. You know what else is fun, trashing hotel rooms and making messes! Its not like the house keepers are people. I mean a lot of them are not even white, or young.
Personally I try to not enjoy myself at the direct expense of others.
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@14 I tried and failed at bike riding. The funny thing is that few people believe me. There is a weird belief that somehow riding a bike is something everyone can do. Um, no. If I tried to ride a bike on the street(or elsewhere for that matter) it would quickly result in injury.
Its the same mindset that religious evangelicals have.
Its the same mindset that religious evangelicals have.
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I think it's really great that you posted this again, because I really love fois gras and think we should talk more about it.
Oh, sorry, wrong thread.
I think it's really great that you posted this again, because aborttion is an important topic and we should talk more about it.
Oh, sorry, wrong thread.
I think it's really great that you posted this again, because aborttion is an important topic and we should talk more about it.
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"Maybe after enough times you'll get it"
CM has been riding for what, at least a decade in Seattle. And yet most of those 300 commenters "don't get it". After a decade. I would say that's not a very good track record for effectively stating your case and winning people over to your cause. Might be time to re-examine your approach.
CM has been riding for what, at least a decade in Seattle. And yet most of those 300 commenters "don't get it". After a decade. I would say that's not a very good track record for effectively stating your case and winning people over to your cause. Might be time to re-examine your approach.
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I don't want to kill you. I just want to pretend to swerve my vehicle into your group and then adjust my steering at the last possible moment. Because being an asshole is apparently the bee's fucking knees.
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I only drive every other weekend or so. So I'm not one of the "angry drivers" who demand their right to drive anywhere, any time at maximum speed.
That said, CM is only hurting itself with the argument summed up as "you shouldn't be upset about being inconvenienced". That is, to many of us, roughly the same as Nickels saying "some people may have been inconvenienced" during the snow apocalypse. I needed medical help, so yes, that was inconvenient.
Normally, I'd want to agree with a group like CM. But they're doing a hell of a job convincing me not to.
That said, CM is only hurting itself with the argument summed up as "you shouldn't be upset about being inconvenienced". That is, to many of us, roughly the same as Nickels saying "some people may have been inconvenienced" during the snow apocalypse. I needed medical help, so yes, that was inconvenient.
Normally, I'd want to agree with a group like CM. But they're doing a hell of a job convincing me not to.
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Why aren't bikes allowed on the viaduct? We make bikes go up and down hills in a zig-zag route to get through the city while cars take a shortcut? I say give them their own lane.
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I'm all for raising awareness of bicycles on the roads, but the fact of the matter is that this was a really misguided, arrogant, selfish, and dangerous thing to do. Bikes do not belong on highways or freeways, and any message of awareness or safety the CM folks were hoping to deliver was completely lost. After this stunt, CM no longer has my support. Hopefully a more responsible bike safety/awareness organization will come to the forefront soon.
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Like fucking moths to a flame, dumbasses, he is just trying to poke at you all so that he can get yet another blog post with "most commented" going ... I mean, Christ, how many times can you talk about the same damned thing and think that anyone on either side of the argument is going to feel any different about it ...
And yes I know I commented too, but sheesh! Someone had to point it out!
And yes I know I commented too, but sheesh! Someone had to point it out!
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@13: "I'll be sure to use this argument the next time a guy on a bike swears at me when I'm making a right turn and he zooms around me on the right hand side. If he's caught in traffic for three seconds behind traffic...priorities...etc. "
Yet that's the LEGAL, PREFERRED POSITION for cyclists to be in: on the right of all cars, next to the curb. You'll bitch about mass for not following the laws, then complain when you almost pull a right hook on a cyclist riding legally?
Yet that's the LEGAL, PREFERRED POSITION for cyclists to be in: on the right of all cars, next to the curb. You'll bitch about mass for not following the laws, then complain when you almost pull a right hook on a cyclist riding legally?
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Wow, so many haters, so little time! I was on that ride, it was amazing. Yes, going on the Viaduct was a stupid asshole move. Not arguing that.
But I bike to work, I bike to the store, I bike on dates and out with friends for fun. It's pretty addicting. I also use hand signals and ride as cautiously as possible, and of course always wear my helmet. I've lost weight, my clothes fit better, and I feel sexier than before I was biking.
The haters & trolls just don't get it, and that's OK.
But I bike to work, I bike to the store, I bike on dates and out with friends for fun. It's pretty addicting. I also use hand signals and ride as cautiously as possible, and of course always wear my helmet. I've lost weight, my clothes fit better, and I feel sexier than before I was biking.
The haters & trolls just don't get it, and that's OK.
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Well I commute on a bike every single day, and sorry if this isn't adding anything new to the discussion, but I just want to say it one more time, fuck you Critical Mass. You are making life more difficult for cyclists everywhere by increasing enmity between drivers and cyclists in the most childish way I can imagine. Your self-righteous idiocy is no different than PETA or Operation Rescue.
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I'm sorry Christopher but (re)posting this article again is pathetic on many levels. At the very least you could have carried forward the comments from the previous article.
It would seem you are simply obviously trying to increase page hits for $$$$
Nothing was gained by reposting the stupidity of the original thread's merits. That quote you selected was mediocre at best, and several (including mine thank you) were much more on point and reflective of the overall general consensus.
Slow news day? Had to submit something so you can justify your job while you run outside to enjoy the sun?
Nevermind. This has just become the status quo of the continuing overall deterioration of this blog.
It would seem you are simply obviously trying to increase page hits for $$$$
Nothing was gained by reposting the stupidity of the original thread's merits. That quote you selected was mediocre at best, and several (including mine thank you) were much more on point and reflective of the overall general consensus.
Slow news day? Had to submit something so you can justify your job while you run outside to enjoy the sun?
Nevermind. This has just become the status quo of the continuing overall deterioration of this blog.
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Well I commute on a bike every single day, and sorry if this isn't adding anything new to the discussion, but I just want to say it one more time, fuck you Critical Mass. You are making life more difficult for cyclists everywhere by increasing enmity between drivers and cyclists in the most childish way I can imagine. Your self-righteous idiocy is no different than PETA or Operation Rescue.
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Well I commute on a bike every single day, and sorry if this isn't adding anything new to the discussion, but I just want to say it one more time, fuck you Critical Mass. You are making life more difficult for cyclists everywhere by increasing enmity between drivers and cyclists in the most childish way I can imagine. Your self-righteous idiocy is no different than PETA or Operation Rescue.
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I've been riding in Critical Mass rides since the mid-1990's and I love it more and more all the time! Ain't no political thing, I just love riding my bike in the sunshine and watching you boring pricks suffer inside your cars! I can't get enough of the wonderful irony - hundreds, maybe thousands of people in 2-ton vehicles being held hostage by a few dozen people on 20 pound bicycles. I swear I would ride in Critical Mass every fucking day if I could, just to hear you all cry big baby tears and moan about my sense of entitlement! You people are too much! See you at the end of the month suckers! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
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And with a few strokes of the keyboard Frizzelle sits back and watches the hit-counts begin to skyrocket into the stratosphere - again.
And dollars to donut holes says not a one of you, CM'ers and bike haters alike, will have anything remotely new to say on the subject, but will just continue with the same old masturbatory knee-jerking-off you spooged all over the comments section of the last post.
It's like ringing the bell and watching the dog salivate all over again...
And dollars to donut holes says not a one of you, CM'ers and bike haters alike, will have anything remotely new to say on the subject, but will just continue with the same old masturbatory knee-jerking-off you spooged all over the comments section of the last post.
It's like ringing the bell and watching the dog salivate all over again...
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Well I commute on a bike every single day, and sorry if this isn't adding anything new to the discussion, but I just want to say it one more time, fuck you Critical Mass. You are making life more difficult for cyclists everywhere by increasing enmity between drivers and cyclists in the most childish way I can imagine. Your self-righteous idiocy is no different than PETA or Operation Rescue.
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I'm sorry Michael, but being stuck behind a cyclist is not a "gift", anymore than it's a "gift" to wait at a stop light (which cyclists subsequently ride through anyway).
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I will ride every CM for the rest of my life, and be as rude as possible to every driver for the rest of my life. Thanks for the motivation.
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Frizzelle-
I know it's very easy for you to try to dismiss the overwhelmingly negative response to your piece as being written by a bunch of car-heads, bike-haters, murderers and sociopaths. HOWEVER, you might have noticed a huge number of negative responses from seemingly reasonable, level-headed, liberal cyclists. I am one of those. And I am heavily involved in working to improve local bike infrastructure (yes, I know it's not great now, but we are making very positive steps in the right direction).
So as someone who interacts regularly with SDOT, Cascade Bicycle Club, the Seattle Bicycle Advisory Board, Bicycle Alliance of Washington, and other players who essentially shape local bicycling policy, understand this: you are doing it wrong.
You are fostering an "us vs. them" environment on the road in which the "us" (bikers) is at a severe disadvantage to the "them" (drivers). This is how people get killed. You cannot honestly believe that the majority of people you are inconveniencing are saying to themselves "geez, i'll be sure to treat cyclists with more respect next time!"
So whichever justification you decide to throw out (it's a protest! it's a community-building exercise! it's a parade! it's an anarchic exercise! it's fucking fun!), just realize that whether you a biking in CM with the intent to affect positive change or not, you are actually making things significantly worse. Please stop.
I know it's very easy for you to try to dismiss the overwhelmingly negative response to your piece as being written by a bunch of car-heads, bike-haters, murderers and sociopaths. HOWEVER, you might have noticed a huge number of negative responses from seemingly reasonable, level-headed, liberal cyclists. I am one of those. And I am heavily involved in working to improve local bike infrastructure (yes, I know it's not great now, but we are making very positive steps in the right direction).
So as someone who interacts regularly with SDOT, Cascade Bicycle Club, the Seattle Bicycle Advisory Board, Bicycle Alliance of Washington, and other players who essentially shape local bicycling policy, understand this: you are doing it wrong.
You are fostering an "us vs. them" environment on the road in which the "us" (bikers) is at a severe disadvantage to the "them" (drivers). This is how people get killed. You cannot honestly believe that the majority of people you are inconveniencing are saying to themselves "geez, i'll be sure to treat cyclists with more respect next time!"
So whichever justification you decide to throw out (it's a protest! it's a community-building exercise! it's a parade! it's an anarchic exercise! it's fucking fun!), just realize that whether you a biking in CM with the intent to affect positive change or not, you are actually making things significantly worse. Please stop.
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I just wish the city would close the Viaduct, say, every other Sunday morning in summer and open it to pedestrians and bicycles. The few times I've been (legitimately) on the Viaduct on foot (when it was closed to cars), it is truly a wonderful walking/biking path. But corking it on a weekday during rush hour kind of sucks ass.
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when a driver loses it
or just isn't able to stop in time,
like that car that screeched to a halt
and kills a couple bikers
we'll find out who is "just saying"
anything remotely intelligent.
i think most people here
will be laughing their asses off,
unless of course the biker mob attacks the driver
and kills him too.
you think it can't happen?
what a surprise.
you don't even know your own readership christopher.
the comments here are overwhelmingly against
and your actions are putting all bikers at risk,
pure and simple.
to post this again with such snarky arrogant "just saying" gloating is just pathetic.
the three hundred comments weren't enough?
you must really need the traffic.
shove the little lectures about enjoying life up your uptight little asses.
you critical mass assholes are making it more dangerous for me to ride my bike responsibly.
you are wrong.
unfortunately you won't learn until it happens.
are you secretly hoping this slog post someday becomes part of a court room drama?
in a wrongful death lawsuit?
you sound like you would enjoy that
let's just push the drivers a little bit closer to the edge...
there's got to be a psycho out there somewhere...
hey christopher maybe the defense will call you to testify what a great bikepath the viaduct makes!
just sayin.
or just isn't able to stop in time,
like that car that screeched to a halt
and kills a couple bikers
we'll find out who is "just saying"
anything remotely intelligent.
i think most people here
will be laughing their asses off,
unless of course the biker mob attacks the driver
and kills him too.
you think it can't happen?
what a surprise.
you don't even know your own readership christopher.
the comments here are overwhelmingly against
and your actions are putting all bikers at risk,
pure and simple.
to post this again with such snarky arrogant "just saying" gloating is just pathetic.
the three hundred comments weren't enough?
you must really need the traffic.
shove the little lectures about enjoying life up your uptight little asses.
you critical mass assholes are making it more dangerous for me to ride my bike responsibly.
you are wrong.
unfortunately you won't learn until it happens.
are you secretly hoping this slog post someday becomes part of a court room drama?
in a wrongful death lawsuit?
you sound like you would enjoy that
let's just push the drivers a little bit closer to the edge...
there's got to be a psycho out there somewhere...
hey christopher maybe the defense will call you to testify what a great bikepath the viaduct makes!
just sayin.
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@37 i am with you with one big exception
FUCK the cascade bike club
they refuse to condemn critical mass
so that makes them part of the problem
NOBODY WHO OPPOSES CRITICAL MASS SHOULD DONATE TIME OR MONEY TO CASCADE BICYCLE CLUB
unless they take a stand against shitheads like christopher frizzelle
FUCK the cascade bike club
they refuse to condemn critical mass
so that makes them part of the problem
NOBODY WHO OPPOSES CRITICAL MASS SHOULD DONATE TIME OR MONEY TO CASCADE BICYCLE CLUB
unless they take a stand against shitheads like christopher frizzelle
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@26: If I'm making a right with my blinker on, the cyclist is not "riding legally" by trying to get past me before I make my turn.
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Oh, this is too much fun. Thanks for giving us the chance to vent some more Christopher!
I'm a middle aged working stiff who rides a bike to work and around the city. Once more, straight up: Critical Mass DOES NOT CARE what you think of us! We're not the Cascade Bicycle Club or the Bicycle Alliance or any kind of non-profit do-gooders. We're not the least bit interested in the thankless task of swaying public opinion, which is self-evidently vehemently opposed to bike riders. We ride because it's fun and because when there are enough of us, we get to stick a group finger in the eyes of humorless car drivers. I know that you have trouble imagining a world in which you don't personally dictate the driving conditions, so allow me to reiterate: it's not about YOU.
I'm a middle aged working stiff who rides a bike to work and around the city. Once more, straight up: Critical Mass DOES NOT CARE what you think of us! We're not the Cascade Bicycle Club or the Bicycle Alliance or any kind of non-profit do-gooders. We're not the least bit interested in the thankless task of swaying public opinion, which is self-evidently vehemently opposed to bike riders. We ride because it's fun and because when there are enough of us, we get to stick a group finger in the eyes of humorless car drivers. I know that you have trouble imagining a world in which you don't personally dictate the driving conditions, so allow me to reiterate: it's not about YOU.
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what you guys did was extremely rude and extremely dangerous.
Keep on doin it, though - soon enough, one of you will get what's comin to ya.
Keep on doin it, though - soon enough, one of you will get what's comin to ya.
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@26
@13: "I'll be sure to use this argument the next time a guy on a bike swears at me when I'm making a right turn and he zooms around me on the right hand side. If he's caught in traffic for three seconds behind traffic...priorities...etc. "
Yet that's the LEGAL, PREFERRED POSITION for cyclists to be in: on the right of all cars, next to the curb. You'll bitch about mass for not following the laws, then complain when you almost pull a right hook on a cyclist riding legally?
Except that you're wrong. A bicycle has no business zooming past someone making a right turn. The only time you're allowed to operate to ride in the shoulder is if you're going *slower* than the normal rate of traffic.
RCW 46.61.770 (1)
Every person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a rate of speed less than the normal flow of traffic at the particular time and place shall ride as near to the right side of the right through lane as is safe except as may be appropriate while preparing to make or while making turning movements, or while overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction...
If you're going with - or faster - than traffic, you've got to stay in the lane. That's what I do.
Granted, the SMC is a little less... lucid:
SMC 11.44.080 Overtaking and passing on right.
The operator of a bicycle may overtake and pass a vehicle or a bicycle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety.
I wouldn't call this situation safe.
@13: "I'll be sure to use this argument the next time a guy on a bike swears at me when I'm making a right turn and he zooms around me on the right hand side. If he's caught in traffic for three seconds behind traffic...priorities...etc. "
Yet that's the LEGAL, PREFERRED POSITION for cyclists to be in: on the right of all cars, next to the curb. You'll bitch about mass for not following the laws, then complain when you almost pull a right hook on a cyclist riding legally?
Except that you're wrong. A bicycle has no business zooming past someone making a right turn. The only time you're allowed to operate to ride in the shoulder is if you're going *slower* than the normal rate of traffic.
RCW 46.61.770 (1)
Every person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a rate of speed less than the normal flow of traffic at the particular time and place shall ride as near to the right side of the right through lane as is safe except as may be appropriate while preparing to make or while making turning movements, or while overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction...
If you're going with - or faster - than traffic, you've got to stay in the lane. That's what I do.
Granted, the SMC is a little less... lucid:
SMC 11.44.080 Overtaking and passing on right.
The operator of a bicycle may overtake and pass a vehicle or a bicycle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety.
I wouldn't call this situation safe.
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Wow #43. Did you ask your parents before you registered your Slog handle? People under 13 aren't supposed to give out personal information on the internet without their parents' permission.
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@32 and 44, You should like a rather horrible person. Its generally considered pretty assholish to take pleasure in the suffering of others. Not to mention selfish.
I feel bad for you.
I feel bad for you.
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so many people with cars that threaten to drive over cyclists, not enough of them with balls.
go shit on your own faces.
go shit on your own faces.
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Gurldoggie, the fact that you're repeatedly posting on the topic shows you care very much what the public thinks. You're just being passive about it. Go figure.
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@44 explaining that you don't care about anyone or anything beyond yourself is kind of like explaining it's sunny outside today.
we already knew that.
that's why people are so disgusted with you.
some people care actually care about they city they live in, and the people around them as well.
more intelligent and/or compassionate people are capable of that type of thing. we get it, that you are not.
we already knew that.
that's why people are so disgusted with you.
some people care actually care about they city they live in, and the people around them as well.
more intelligent and/or compassionate people are capable of that type of thing. we get it, that you are not.
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Maybe people just want to get home to their families instead of getting stuck in slow bike traffic.
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I'm not going to dive into this again, because I agree with Comte that no one will probably have anything new to say on this, and I also agree with those who are rolling their eyes at another CM post from Slog.
But... I did like giffy's comment "Personally I try to not enjoy myself at the direct expense of others." So, I guess that was, in fact, something new.
But... I did like giffy's comment "Personally I try to not enjoy myself at the direct expense of others." So, I guess that was, in fact, something new.
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Oh great...
So your car-less ass has seen the pretty view and you've JUST NOW figured out why the voters -- the automobile driving voters -- didn't want a tunnel or a surface street instead of that great view of the sound as the punctuation to their daily commute to and from The Grind.
Well... welcome to the same Seattle as the rest of us live in, douche!
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Oh, @43 you are just as cute as the ever-lovin' dickens when you try to act all "growed up"! I wish I could give you a great big PINCH on those pink cheeks!
But, you might want to tell your mommy it's time for her to replace your Clonidine patch - if you're a good boy, and do as mommy says, I'll bet she'll give you a cookie!
But, you might want to tell your mommy it's time for her to replace your Clonidine patch - if you're a good boy, and do as mommy says, I'll bet she'll give you a cookie!
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I think more CM cunts should be killed by the cars they choose to fuck with -- I would love love love to start seeing the monthly CM death tally. Talk about a bunch of hypocritical cockflossers... take your bikes and your attitudes and your willingness to break every traffic law you possibly can and...please die.
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This article is trolling for comments. It's not adding anything new. CM is the new foie. I'm bored with this deliberately provocative crap.
I think it's time to quit the Slog again. I'll just read Paul Constant articles in Google Reader and not add any page views.
I think it's time to quit the Slog again. I'll just read Paul Constant articles in Google Reader and not add any page views.
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City used to close the I-5 express lanes for some Sunday bicycling between Northgate and downtown.
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"I'm a middle aged working stiff who rides a bike to work and around the city. Once more, straight up: Critical Mass DOES NOT CARE what you think of us!"
I really hope someone runs your shit over until you're flat and dead, because I want to see more Critical Mass members die.
In fact, my call for action is for some poor slob who's thinking about suicide to take a few of you out with him the next time you do your little PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO US stunt.
I really hope someone runs your shit over until you're flat and dead, because I want to see more Critical Mass members die.
In fact, my call for action is for some poor slob who's thinking about suicide to take a few of you out with him the next time you do your little PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO US stunt.
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I'll be joining CM next time around. They've always given me a little thrill when they interrupt my day, and I'm looking forward to being part of that. Michael's description of it as a "gift" is very apt, I think.
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@63 CUNTIE (aka COMTE) did start it on another thread and she's obviously enjoying it look at how much attention she just gave me, i don't get much at home and i come here to meet new people.
hey, speaking of, see you at the next SLOG Happy? noticed in comment 46 that's how you try to meet chicks, how's that working out so far?
hey, speaking of, see you at the next SLOG Happy? noticed in comment 46 that's how you try to meet chicks, how's that working out so far?
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@66
I ride my bike everywhere, for transportation. I don't really care about CM because, well, I ride all the time. But comments like that are what make me participate in CM. I'll be there next one for sure, waving and smiling at all the fat, lazy drivers who get out of their cars to make all those empty threats.
I ride my bike everywhere, for transportation. I don't really care about CM because, well, I ride all the time. But comments like that are what make me participate in CM. I'll be there next one for sure, waving and smiling at all the fat, lazy drivers who get out of their cars to make all those empty threats.
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@67 guys who give HIV to others intentionally call it a "gift" as well.
please join next time, so drivers in seattle hate bicyclists just a teeny bit more.
maybe one of us will even get run over someday!!!!!!!!
please join next time, so drivers in seattle hate bicyclists just a teeny bit more.
maybe one of us will even get run over someday!!!!!!!!
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Murder a cyclist? No need, with rocket scientists like Bryce Lewis scooting around town on fixies with no helmets, all we need to do is pull up a chair and wait for the next skull smashing wreck of a CM'er.
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Murder a cyclist? No need, with rocket scientists like Bryce Lewis scooting around town on fixies with no helmets, all we need to do is pull up a chair and wait for the next skull smashing wreck of a CM'er.
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#68, you don't understand the Rendezvous reference, and I'm not going to explain it. Google it if you really care.
I don't go to Slog Happy to meet girls, but I did meet a girl there and we've been together for 15 months. So I'd say that worked out.
How's being a clueless jackass 24/7 working out for you?
I don't go to Slog Happy to meet girls, but I did meet a girl there and we've been together for 15 months. So I'd say that worked out.
How's being a clueless jackass 24/7 working out for you?
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Thanks, Christopher, for the star. However, I was hopped up on Percoset last night, which tends to make me both wordy and a little asshole-y. That comment was a little of both. Sorry.
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Meanwhile, because none of you harassed your legislators, the Billionaires who don't even live in Seattle got you a Billionaire Tunnel that won't allow bikes in it - at twice the price.
Critical Mass is only useful if it leads to change.
Protest ain't change.
Critical Mass is only useful if it leads to change.
Protest ain't change.
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Mentioned last friday about 5 times:
CM get off your butts
organize a huge seattle bike athon ride
do it seafair
do it when they close the freeways anyway
get 10000 riders and be a real critical mass w kids and grandmas
THEN you would have a chance to GO FURTHER and make it a bike path.
But you, CM have to work within the system and not leave this shit up to others.
Yes, we've imagined how great biking is and how great this elevated roadway would be DUH that's why this was suggested many times on Friday.
CM get off your butts
organize a huge seattle bike athon ride
do it seafair
do it when they close the freeways anyway
get 10000 riders and be a real critical mass w kids and grandmas
THEN you would have a chance to GO FURTHER and make it a bike path.
But you, CM have to work within the system and not leave this shit up to others.
Yes, we've imagined how great biking is and how great this elevated roadway would be DUH that's why this was suggested many times on Friday.
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@73 it's working out ok, not great. congrats on the girlfriend, is she pro or con critical mass? either way i'd be delighted to buy you both a drink at the next slog happy.
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@73 it's working out ok, not great. congrats on the girlfriend, is she pro or con critical mass? either way i'd be delighted to buy you both a drink at the next slog happy.
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Huh. I don't know if anyone actually looked into this, but according to WSDOT the AWV is not technically closed to bikes. I'll be damned. Still insanely dangerous and irresponsible in my opinion though.
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An elevated park was proposed a few years ago. Incorporating a bike path would be easy, but the structure would still block views of the Sound. At least it'd all be quiet and not emit sooty fumes.
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haha... Dan obviously ordered Frizzelle to generate some more hitz.
Best comment, Frizzelle? Absolutely not. This comment has far more perspective th…. Other people do exist in the world, with priorities different from yours. That doesn't make them wrong, and it sure doesn't make you right.
In a nutshell, people need to develop some actual empathy and grow up.
Best comment, Frizzelle? Absolutely not. This comment has far more perspective th…. Other people do exist in the world, with priorities different from yours. That doesn't make them wrong, and it sure doesn't make you right.
In a nutshell, people need to develop some actual empathy and grow up.
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The character limit on links is bogus. That link should read, "This comment has far more perspective than the one you linked."
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That was hardly the best comment in the thread. If one of the circle jerk douchebags gets run over, it won't be murder, either, you fucking drama queeen. SO many asshats in this city.
FWIW -- I'd love to ride on the Viaduct sometime -- I am sure it was amazing, but CM doesn't care about anyone besides themselves -- you are all part of the "no criticism", me, me, me millenial generation (or train wreck hippies/boomers, who were already shitheads) that is growing up into a bunch of shitheads.
FWIW -- I'd love to ride on the Viaduct sometime -- I am sure it was amazing, but CM doesn't care about anyone besides themselves -- you are all part of the "no criticism", me, me, me millenial generation (or train wreck hippies/boomers, who were already shitheads) that is growing up into a bunch of shitheads.
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@27 "I was on that ride, it was amazing." &
"The haters & trolls just don't get it, and that's OK."
Ok, I'm trying to get it. I guess I don't get the point of CM. I thought it was for bike awareness? But it appears that your message of awareness was lost on a lot of people. Then how can you say that the ride, and your reason for being there, was amazing? I would be upset that my message fell soooo flat. So am I missing something, or did you just clarify that the ride was for your own selfish reasons?
"The haters & trolls just don't get it, and that's OK."
Ok, I'm trying to get it. I guess I don't get the point of CM. I thought it was for bike awareness? But it appears that your message of awareness was lost on a lot of people. Then how can you say that the ride, and your reason for being there, was amazing? I would be upset that my message fell soooo flat. So am I missing something, or did you just clarify that the ride was for your own selfish reasons?
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What a ridiculous argument...I can't wait to use it with my wife. "But honey, don't you know there are things in this world more worthy of your wrath than me sleeping with that stripper? What about Cheney and that whole torture thing?" Or at work, "Sure I stole a couple grand from the register, but what about Bill O'Reilly?"
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Ridiculous argument. If you think people are pissed off at CM because you inconvenienced some drivers for a few minutes, then you (and CM) really don't get why so many BIKERS hate Critical Mass.
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Cars get stuck in traffic all the time every day for extended periods of time. While I don't support CM going on the viaduct or any other highway, I think the reaction to it is very telling.
That people here want to see other people die or are giving themselves hernias over CM when traffic sucks all the time anyway shows a total lack of perspective.
What's the impact of CM compared to lazy people driving in terms of bad traffic: Nil. So why cry for blood or give yourself a heart attack just because some punk bikers had their way with you for 30 minutes on Aurora once when other lazy drivers do it to you all the time?
That people here want to see other people die or are giving themselves hernias over CM when traffic sucks all the time anyway shows a total lack of perspective.
What's the impact of CM compared to lazy people driving in terms of bad traffic: Nil. So why cry for blood or give yourself a heart attack just because some punk bikers had their way with you for 30 minutes on Aurora once when other lazy drivers do it to you all the time?
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Jinushaun - Please enlighten everybody why so many bikers hate critical mass or are you going to make a claim without any supporting logic? Why criticize someone else's argument if you can't formulate one yourself?
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you guys have no clue about the point of CM
Instead of chiding us for our ignorance, why not explain? Those who reacted unfavorably to Critical Mass and their rides o' fun seem to assume that the point is to raise awareness and advocate for a place for cyclists on the streets. Most of the concerns were about how an illegal ride on a highway or rulebreaking rides through town might damage the organization's credibility, not about motorists being inconvenienced on a Friday afternoon.
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No one wants to talk about turning the viaduct into a bike path until CM stop being such entitled wankers, yeah? Start that movement Mr. Frizzelle, and we'll be behind you all the way.
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Josh, riding on Hwy 99 is not illegal and CM is not really an organization.
That said cyclists are generally shat upon and CM is not the source of the shit. Cyclists get the shaft from an infrastructure standpoint and from motorists, because we live in a car centric world and motorists hate being inconvenienced.
People who ride in CM do it for all sorts of reasons. At the heart of lots of it is a reaction to how generally fucked up it is to try and ride around this town with all the horribly designed streets and asshole drivers. CM did not cause those, but it is a visceral and satisfying response to it.
In the end it does raise awareness, even if it makes some people hate CM or other cyclists, the existing condition is so fucked up that awareness + some hate from douchebags is better than no awareness +hate from doucebags.
And as many people that there are who grow to hate CM or other cyclists, there are just as many who grow to like CM and cyclists.
That said cyclists are generally shat upon and CM is not the source of the shit. Cyclists get the shaft from an infrastructure standpoint and from motorists, because we live in a car centric world and motorists hate being inconvenienced.
People who ride in CM do it for all sorts of reasons. At the heart of lots of it is a reaction to how generally fucked up it is to try and ride around this town with all the horribly designed streets and asshole drivers. CM did not cause those, but it is a visceral and satisfying response to it.
In the end it does raise awareness, even if it makes some people hate CM or other cyclists, the existing condition is so fucked up that awareness + some hate from douchebags is better than no awareness +hate from doucebags.
And as many people that there are who grow to hate CM or other cyclists, there are just as many who grow to like CM and cyclists.
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Hmmm...maybe some of you Sloggers can help me with a problem.
It's the end of the work day, it's a gorgeous 85 degrees outside, and I'm ready to go home. Should I pack myself into my hot car, sit down on my vinyl seats, and spend the next 40 minutes in traffic screaming at the other annoyed drivers? Or should I just throw on my shorts and t-shirt, get on my bike, ride with the breeze, blow through red lights whenever it looks safe, and be home in around 20 minutes? I just can't figure it out...
It's the end of the work day, it's a gorgeous 85 degrees outside, and I'm ready to go home. Should I pack myself into my hot car, sit down on my vinyl seats, and spend the next 40 minutes in traffic screaming at the other annoyed drivers? Or should I just throw on my shorts and t-shirt, get on my bike, ride with the breeze, blow through red lights whenever it looks safe, and be home in around 20 minutes? I just can't figure it out...
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Frizzelle, the Viaduct doesn't need the weight of cars on it to fall down in an earthquake. The vulnerability of the seawall and the underlying soils are the main problem. In an earthquake, the collapsing Viaduct will crush drivers, bicyclists, and pedestrians with equal indifference.
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CM is protesting a nonexistent foe by planning its rides in Seattle. The only bigger joke would be having one in Eugene, OR.
Where are all of these asshole drivers that CM claims exist? Not in Seattle, by my experience. I've biked all over Seattle for the last 20 years - mainly in traffic, not on the trails - and except for a couple of occasions have been treated well and given a wide berth by Seattle drivers.
The very fact that car/bike clashes rarely happen at the height of biker douchebaggery - the asshole parade that is CM - says a lot about the patience and restraint of Seattle drivers.
If you want to preach to those not already in the choir, arrange a CM in Bellevue/Redmond, where the drivers are truly assholes. Try blocking off 520 or Bel-Red on a Friday afternoon, and see if you are treated with the same deference that the Seattle Viaduct drivers granted you last Friday.
Where are all of these asshole drivers that CM claims exist? Not in Seattle, by my experience. I've biked all over Seattle for the last 20 years - mainly in traffic, not on the trails - and except for a couple of occasions have been treated well and given a wide berth by Seattle drivers.
The very fact that car/bike clashes rarely happen at the height of biker douchebaggery - the asshole parade that is CM - says a lot about the patience and restraint of Seattle drivers.
If you want to preach to those not already in the choir, arrange a CM in Bellevue/Redmond, where the drivers are truly assholes. Try blocking off 520 or Bel-Red on a Friday afternoon, and see if you are treated with the same deference that the Seattle Viaduct drivers granted you last Friday.
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@93 FTW. "... a visceral and satisfying response..." Beautiful, nickster.
I don't know much about CM -- and they may have a variety of "official" agendas -- but my sense has been that the monthly event is more a celebration of biking than anything else. Some have said it's a big "fuck you" to traffic, but that's not the impression I get when I see them. Everyone's usually happy and non-confrontational, and (except in rare cases) even the motorists seem to get a kick out of it. It just adds a little texture to downtown living.
The chances of CM repeating the viaduct stunt any time soon seem slim (the police would have to intervene), so I just don't understand all the fuss.
I don't know much about CM -- and they may have a variety of "official" agendas -- but my sense has been that the monthly event is more a celebration of biking than anything else. Some have said it's a big "fuck you" to traffic, but that's not the impression I get when I see them. Everyone's usually happy and non-confrontational, and (except in rare cases) even the motorists seem to get a kick out of it. It just adds a little texture to downtown living.
The chances of CM repeating the viaduct stunt any time soon seem slim (the police would have to intervene), so I just don't understand all the fuss.
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Those would be pretty pictures if all those fucktards being incredibly stupid weren't in the way.
99
This kind of feigned blissful ignorance is what is currently irking me about the GOP, and now I gotta read it here?
"What's 20 minutes when you are coming home from work?"
"What do you mean 'Barack the Magic Negro' isn't appropriate in 2008?"
"Yay, we made cars screech to a halt."
"Say, don't you think that Sonia Sotomayor is probably a RACIST?"
Ugh.
"What's 20 minutes when you are coming home from work?"
"What do you mean 'Barack the Magic Negro' isn't appropriate in 2008?"
"Yay, we made cars screech to a halt."
"Say, don't you think that Sonia Sotomayor is probably a RACIST?"
Ugh.
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I for one am glad that Gurldoggie finally cut the pretense and admitted she does CM just to be a cunt.
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Wow, how proud the Frizzelle family must be. One son has committed himself to defending our nation, and is right now heroically risking his life to help secure a foreign country. The other son sits in Seattle, complaining about construction noise, defending sexual predators and blocking traffic once a month with a renegade mob of douches.
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@93 "And as many people that there are who grow to hate CM or other cyclists, there are just as many who grow to like CM and cyclists."
I think you're sadly mistaken -- I would bet that CM has dramatically shifted the needle for people who were previously unaware or who didn't have a comment over to the side of thinking that cyclists are dangerous assholes looking for any excuse to cause trouble.
I think you're sadly mistaken -- I would bet that CM has dramatically shifted the needle for people who were previously unaware or who didn't have a comment over to the side of thinking that cyclists are dangerous assholes looking for any excuse to cause trouble.
105
Today it was 88 degrees. It was gorgeous outside. My boyfriend drove to my work and picked me up. We drove with the top down and the stereo up, the wind caressing us as we zipped up the road. We passed probably 25 bicyclists. They looked miserable - sweaty, sunburned, huffing and puffing, some of them shrieking because cars were passing them, even at a safe distance. We got from my office to our house in ten minutes flat - not a single obstacle in our way the entire three-mile trip except bicycles. Traffic moved at a quick pace and the drivers were all in synch. Along the way we passed a cyclist with a flat tire, sitting dejected on the sidewalk wondering what to do and how to get home. I pointed her out to my boyfriend. We laughed and laughed as we cruised comfortably up the street and pulled into our garage. I promptly made us each a vodka tonic and we relaxed in the back yard, soaking up the sun. It was a marvelous afternoon.
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@33:
Did you just spooge all over your own "world-weary and wise" comment? Go find a post on which you can add anything of value. Or make up some stats, or at least allude to non-existent stats, to back up some point you regurgitate. Fucking idiot.
Did you just spooge all over your own "world-weary and wise" comment? Go find a post on which you can add anything of value. Or make up some stats, or at least allude to non-existent stats, to back up some point you regurgitate. Fucking idiot.
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ZOMG THREE THREADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!11!!@1!@
oh you have made me the happiest little chan in aaaallll the land.
now i see where racist misogynist homophobe dude went. FTW! i have to say that this comment is by far the best one from the last thread.
i am working on my LATEST creation. i think yuo will all love it.
oh you have made me the happiest little chan in aaaallll the land.
now i see where racist misogynist homophobe dude went. FTW! i have to say that this comment is by far the best one from the last thread.
i am working on my LATEST creation. i think yuo will all love it.
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CAR DRIVERS, MOVE TO DALLAS PLEASE!! It's dirt cheap there and they haven't yet realized what a blight you are to society.
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The sense of entitlement is auto based- these are public roads.
How many traffic jams are caused by autos?
answer: All of them- except this one. I'm joining CM because I drive an SUV.
How many traffic jams are caused by autos?
answer: All of them- except this one. I'm joining CM because I drive an SUV.
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@94 trolls like you are why this should happen more often
http://www.maniacworld.com/biker-hit-by-…
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee181…
can't wait to see it, especially the second scene.
http://www.maniacworld.com/biker-hit-by-…
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee181…
can't wait to see it, especially the second scene.
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@ 105 FTW
Yesterday my man and I went out in his HUGE red throbbing 2007 F250. Filled up the tank (money WELL spent, we agreed!) and took a lovely drive with our dogs. All windows open, Iron Maiden blazing with Bruce signing his heart out. We rode through Sand Point all the way down to Seward, eventually ended up along Lake Washington way. I had so much fun bashing bikers, yelling SAME ROAD SAME RULES FOOLS! One was so scared, he swerved right into his buddy and they both wiped out, only to be nearly crushed by a swift moving caddy filled with high school age guys smoking blunts, bumping E-40. I was rubbernecking and boy, were those young fellas laughing! The best part was when I talked my man into revving up to a 'scary' 30mph along Lake Washington right behind a group of spandex wearing freaks. His truck was so loud and scary, the bikers all careened off road, toppling over each other in a homo-erotic twist! They were SO MAD when my boyfriend slowed to a halt about 10 ft behind their group (aka off road pile) and politely waved to them. Then he rumbled that BIG OLD SHINY RED TRUCK back up to 25 MPH and we went on out merry way.
Very cool afternoon.
They were vewy mad veetle childwen!
Yesterday my man and I went out in his HUGE red throbbing 2007 F250. Filled up the tank (money WELL spent, we agreed!) and took a lovely drive with our dogs. All windows open, Iron Maiden blazing with Bruce signing his heart out. We rode through Sand Point all the way down to Seward, eventually ended up along Lake Washington way. I had so much fun bashing bikers, yelling SAME ROAD SAME RULES FOOLS! One was so scared, he swerved right into his buddy and they both wiped out, only to be nearly crushed by a swift moving caddy filled with high school age guys smoking blunts, bumping E-40. I was rubbernecking and boy, were those young fellas laughing! The best part was when I talked my man into revving up to a 'scary' 30mph along Lake Washington right behind a group of spandex wearing freaks. His truck was so loud and scary, the bikers all careened off road, toppling over each other in a homo-erotic twist! They were SO MAD when my boyfriend slowed to a halt about 10 ft behind their group (aka off road pile) and politely waved to them. Then he rumbled that BIG OLD SHINY RED TRUCK back up to 25 MPH and we went on out merry way.
Very cool afternoon.
They were vewy mad veetle childwen!
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@ 105 FTW
Yesterday my man and I went out in his HUGE red throbbing 2007 F250. Filled up the tank (money WELL spent, we agreed!) and took a lovely drive with our dogs. All windows open, Iron Maiden blazing with Bruce singing his heart out. We rode through Sand Point all the way down to Seward, eventually ended up along Lake Washington way. I had so much fun bashing bikers, yelling SAME ROAD SAME RULES FOOLS! One was so scared, he swerved right into his buddy and they both wiped out, only to be nearly crushed by a swift moving caddy filled with high school age guys smoking blunts, bumping E-40. I was rubbernecking and boy, were those young fellas laughing! The best part was when I talked my man into revving up to a 'scary' 30mph along Lake Washington right behind a group of spandex wearing freaks. His truck was so loud and scary, the bikers all careened off road, toppling over each other in a homo-erotic twist! They were SO MAD when my boyfriend slowed to a halt about 10 ft behind their group (aka off road pile) and politely waved to them. Then he rumbled that BIG OLD SHINY RED TRUCK back up to 25 MPH and we went on out merry way.
Very cool afternoon.
They were vewy mad veetle childwen!
Yesterday my man and I went out in his HUGE red throbbing 2007 F250. Filled up the tank (money WELL spent, we agreed!) and took a lovely drive with our dogs. All windows open, Iron Maiden blazing with Bruce singing his heart out. We rode through Sand Point all the way down to Seward, eventually ended up along Lake Washington way. I had so much fun bashing bikers, yelling SAME ROAD SAME RULES FOOLS! One was so scared, he swerved right into his buddy and they both wiped out, only to be nearly crushed by a swift moving caddy filled with high school age guys smoking blunts, bumping E-40. I was rubbernecking and boy, were those young fellas laughing! The best part was when I talked my man into revving up to a 'scary' 30mph along Lake Washington right behind a group of spandex wearing freaks. His truck was so loud and scary, the bikers all careened off road, toppling over each other in a homo-erotic twist! They were SO MAD when my boyfriend slowed to a halt about 10 ft behind their group (aka off road pile) and politely waved to them. Then he rumbled that BIG OLD SHINY RED TRUCK back up to 25 MPH and we went on out merry way.
Very cool afternoon.
They were vewy mad veetle childwen!
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@94
...Could happen. Although statistically speaking, my cyclist buddies and I are much more likely to maintain healthy weight and blood pressure well into our seventies. On the other hand, you and your car driving brethren are probably already gaining some extra pounds around the middle and showing signs of hypertension. And if all that fat in your arteries doesn't kill you, a head-on collision with a drunk SUV driver just might.
According to the Federal Highway Administration, car collisions kill an average of 46,000 people each year in the U.S. and car emissions kill another 30,000. Around 700 cyclists are killed, or just under 2 percent of all traffic fatalities
Remember me in your will tough guy!
...Could happen. Although statistically speaking, my cyclist buddies and I are much more likely to maintain healthy weight and blood pressure well into our seventies. On the other hand, you and your car driving brethren are probably already gaining some extra pounds around the middle and showing signs of hypertension. And if all that fat in your arteries doesn't kill you, a head-on collision with a drunk SUV driver just might.
According to the Federal Highway Administration, car collisions kill an average of 46,000 people each year in the U.S. and car emissions kill another 30,000. Around 700 cyclists are killed, or just under 2 percent of all traffic fatalities
Remember me in your will tough guy!
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@114 Not really. I swim every other day. I run my dogs at least 2.5-5 mi per day. And I am 30 yrs ol, 5'7 and 122lbs. No health conditions at all and I don't smoke. I also have zero commute since I work remotely (aka from home). Statistically you have a greater chance of dying out on your bike. Especially with your attitude. "I just love riding my bike in the sunshine and watching you boring pricks suffer inside your cars!" Quit being jealous cause you can't drive (obviously) and start paying attention to the fucking road, fool. Obviously you risk death every time you venture onto the road, out there freelancing in your "I'm a biker-holier-than-thou" zone. Sounds like your too busy staring at people in cars to watch the god damned road.
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@114 btw I am a woman, not a "tough guy", you stupid ignorant cunt. Shows how you base your facts and thus actions on incorrect presumptions. Fool!
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@117...
Iron Maiden... really?
In that case, I'm not surprised at your ogling the misfortune of others while crimping your bangs. I've seen you, and... very sorry. I wish you well.
That's it, I'm definitely joining CM. Yell out your window all you like, bump me off the road. I can take it. Kisses.
Iron Maiden... really?
In that case, I'm not surprised at your ogling the misfortune of others while crimping your bangs. I've seen you, and... very sorry. I wish you well.
That's it, I'm definitely joining CM. Yell out your window all you like, bump me off the road. I can take it. Kisses.
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I haven't been in a CM ride yet, but this post and Michael of the Green's starred comment make me more likely to.
And, fuck, there are a lot of fuckheads posting comments here!
Maybe this is reminder about why I actually read through the Stranger every week -- a free weekly written by many of the shit-for-brains commenters here wouldn't even be up to Seattle Weekly standards!!
And, fuck, there are a lot of fuckheads posting comments here!
Maybe this is reminder about why I actually read through the Stranger every week -- a free weekly written by many of the shit-for-brains commenters here wouldn't even be up to Seattle Weekly standards!!
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@114- dearest gurldoggie, repeat yourself much? to be fair this whole thread is a repeat. but as you were already refuted on this...
"that's not a fair comparison. If you are a bike commuter, you have to look at how many fatalities occur per mile in both a car and on a bike, since you are going the same distance either way. The fatality stats are about twice as high on a bicycle per mile."-doceb
obviously more people die in cars as more people ride in them. and your other "statistics" are not worth refuting as they are made up.
@112 takes the cake for biggest bitch though. taking out your anger, or just getting jollies, on undeserving people is exactly what the problem is with critical mass. i like the comment wondering how you would feel if it was somebody doing that to your loved ones. got a sister that's cooler than you?
"that's not a fair comparison. If you are a bike commuter, you have to look at how many fatalities occur per mile in both a car and on a bike, since you are going the same distance either way. The fatality stats are about twice as high on a bicycle per mile."-doceb
obviously more people die in cars as more people ride in them. and your other "statistics" are not worth refuting as they are made up.
@112 takes the cake for biggest bitch though. taking out your anger, or just getting jollies, on undeserving people is exactly what the problem is with critical mass. i like the comment wondering how you would feel if it was somebody doing that to your loved ones. got a sister that's cooler than you?
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Yes, but nobody has ever gotten a blowjob while riding their tricycle. That's reason enough to love my car.
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