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Homo It’s On
Posted by Dominic Holden on Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Tuesday, May 26:
The California Supreme Court has announced it will hand down its decision on Tuesday to uphold or reject Prop 8, the Mormon-backed initiative that passed in November, ending four months of same-sex marriage in the biggest state in the union. Sixty-three cities have announced “Day of Decision” rallies, and Seattle's will be in Westlake Park at 5:30 p.m.
It might be a riot; it could be a gay old time...
If justices uphold the bigoted initiative: “People are going to be upset,” says Joe Mirabella, the Washington organizer of jointheimpact.com, which orchestrated the anti-Prop 8 protests last November. The parks department, which issued the permit, has been in contact with the Seattle police to prepare for the crowd, he says. “I am hoping it is going to be a peaceful rally.”
If the Supremes restore same-sex marriage in California: “Well then, our community knows how to throw some really great parties."
Either way, Mirabella says he’s expecting a huge crowd. The event’s co-sponsors—including the ACLU of Washington, Fuse, Equal Rights Washington, and other groups—will email invitations to half a million people in the area over the weekend.
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In the interest of counting chickens before they hatch, if the ruling is favorable, I propose we find a new song. Don't Stop Believin' was great, but we need a 2009-y song.
Might I suggest:
-"What's Up?" by Four Non Blondes, or
-"Barracuda" by Heart (live vocals by Ann Wilson)
Of course, maybe we want a protest song, too. For that, I also suggest "What's Up?"
Might I suggest:
-"What's Up?" by Four Non Blondes, or
-"Barracuda" by Heart (live vocals by Ann Wilson)
Of course, maybe we want a protest song, too. For that, I also suggest "What's Up?"
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I haven't been downtown in AGES (What's the point, since they closed Fredericks's?) but I may just turn out for this.
Although I do worry about what will happen if we "lose". I'm old enough to remember the White Night Riots, and while they were certainly cathartic, they did almost nothing to further gay rights. (It can be argued that, in the absence of AIDS, it could have been the start of something powerful, and I can see where that might be true, but unfortunately the times were destined to be different, and White Night turned out in the public consciousness to be nothing more than a "pansy fit")
Actually, you don't have to look back any further than the WTO riots to see how violent protesters are marginalized as "outsiders", and therefore moot.
So here is my request, should things not turn out the way we want them: A violence-free, melodrama-free PROTEST - one that shows our disappointment, but also our dignity - and ultimately our perseverance.
Although I do worry about what will happen if we "lose". I'm old enough to remember the White Night Riots, and while they were certainly cathartic, they did almost nothing to further gay rights. (It can be argued that, in the absence of AIDS, it could have been the start of something powerful, and I can see where that might be true, but unfortunately the times were destined to be different, and White Night turned out in the public consciousness to be nothing more than a "pansy fit")
Actually, you don't have to look back any further than the WTO riots to see how violent protesters are marginalized as "outsiders", and therefore moot.
So here is my request, should things not turn out the way we want them: A violence-free, melodrama-free PROTEST - one that shows our disappointment, but also our dignity - and ultimately our perseverance.
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Catalina, I'm sure this won't be a violent protest even if the CA Supreme Court rules that the majority can tyrannize the minority and strip away civil rights, enjoyed by only the Majority. But I have a questions for you, "How do you show your disappointment, anger, hurt, etc. while also remaining the Lady you are?" I ask with this The StoneWall riots in mind.
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@4: What exactly do melodrama-free protests accomplish, exactly? You might get a pat on the head and a "that's nice, dear". I'd prefer something more substantial.
I should note that if it weren't for the violent protesters at the WTO, no one would ever have heard of the WTO or the anti-globalization movement. I don't think you'd have "fair trade" emerge as a valid concept. Now you see it at Starbucks.
I should also note that if it weren't for the violent protesters at a bar in Greenwich Village 40 years ago, the gay rights movement would be a shell of its current self.
I should note that if it weren't for the violent protesters at the WTO, no one would ever have heard of the WTO or the anti-globalization movement. I don't think you'd have "fair trade" emerge as a valid concept. Now you see it at Starbucks.
I should also note that if it weren't for the violent protesters at a bar in Greenwich Village 40 years ago, the gay rights movement would be a shell of its current self.
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Here's to they doing the correct thing again. It is my most sincere hope that they make the right decision and uphold the will of California voter’s, I know we pro traditional marriage sloggers are a minority, but if there is to be a planned pro- traditional marriage rally lets keep inform. I would attend that nearest me. We have to be prepared in any case.
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"How do you show your disappointment, anger, hurt, etc. while also remaining the Lady you are?"
Sargon, Darling, that I don't know. While I've frequently claimed that I'm pretty, I've never claimed I'm smart ;-)
But I would claim that times have changed since Stonewall (media-wise, and other-wise). Actually, they'd changed by the time of the White Night riots.
I guess I'm just hoping for a dissent that is memorable, in a non-stereotypical (media-wise) way. And that way may very well be unattainable, since we ultimately don't control the message.
Sargon, Darling, that I don't know. While I've frequently claimed that I'm pretty, I've never claimed I'm smart ;-)
But I would claim that times have changed since Stonewall (media-wise, and other-wise). Actually, they'd changed by the time of the White Night riots.
I guess I'm just hoping for a dissent that is memorable, in a non-stereotypical (media-wise) way. And that way may very well be unattainable, since we ultimately don't control the message.
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My fingers are crossed and my heart is with all my brothers and sisters in CA and elsewhere. I hope for a favorable ruling and I hope that no one gets hurt if the ruling is not favorable.
If it's not favorable, I hope our gay friends have the sand and do their best to render the state of California ungovernable until the injustice is remedied.
If it's not favorable, I hope our gay friends have the sand and do their best to render the state of California ungovernable until the injustice is remedied.
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"Prop 8, the Mormon-backed initiative that passed in November".
That's an odd way to describe a measure that won over 7 million votes in a state that is only 1% Mormon.
Dom, Dan's obsessive inferiority complex is rubbing off on you...
That's an odd way to describe a measure that won over 7 million votes in a state that is only 1% Mormon.
Dom, Dan's obsessive inferiority complex is rubbing off on you...
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Maybe we should call on Gavin Newsom to let the Justices know what is up before they issue the ruling.
Maybe he could go on TV and, flashing a shit-eating gloating smirk, proclaim:
"It's going to happen, whether you like it or not!"
Cause that worked so well last time.
Prop 8 was losing in every poll.
Until Newsom brayed his jackass mouth off.
Then Prop 8 went up in the polls and never looked back.
Maybe we could try that again?
Maybe he could go on TV and, flashing a shit-eating gloating smirk, proclaim:
"It's going to happen, whether you like it or not!"
Cause that worked so well last time.
Prop 8 was losing in every poll.
Until Newsom brayed his jackass mouth off.
Then Prop 8 went up in the polls and never looked back.
Maybe we could try that again?
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The Stranger should donate to Equal Rights Washington with ad revenue from Slog comments! Good idear!
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1. Make a good sign
2. Prepare to march
3. Push the bigots in Washington into hell with no return ticket
California is history ... shitty campaign on our side lost the game. That mistake we cannot repeat.
Revenge is VICTORY in our corner of the world.
2. Prepare to march
3. Push the bigots in Washington into hell with no return ticket
California is history ... shitty campaign on our side lost the game. That mistake we cannot repeat.
Revenge is VICTORY in our corner of the world.
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"I should note that if it weren't for the violent protesters at the WTO, no one would ever have heard of the WTO or the anti-globalization movement."
Yes, and WTO is such a household term now - right up there with Old Roy (Wal-Mart's private label dog food) And Starbucks "Fair Trade" is almost as well known as something they offer called a "Carmel Macchiato"
WTO lives on in the memory of giant puppeteers, starry eyed college students, and those of us who got gassed in the convenience of our own homes, but other than that, what has it done for trade policy?
Don't get me wrong - I'm not for a pat on the head or anything like that. I'm all about expressing our righteous anger. But I'm also about being smart, and actually furthering our goals - not just being angry for angry's sake.
Yes, and WTO is such a household term now - right up there with Old Roy (Wal-Mart's private label dog food) And Starbucks "Fair Trade" is almost as well known as something they offer called a "Carmel Macchiato"
WTO lives on in the memory of giant puppeteers, starry eyed college students, and those of us who got gassed in the convenience of our own homes, but other than that, what has it done for trade policy?
Don't get me wrong - I'm not for a pat on the head or anything like that. I'm all about expressing our righteous anger. But I'm also about being smart, and actually furthering our goals - not just being angry for angry's sake.
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The only people who know or care or ever will care about WTO are here in Seattle, and they're those who were "there maaaaaan." Everybody else could give a fuck. Nobody died, get it? Some gas was tossed, some pepper was sprayed (for lulz), and you all ran like pussies. You suck. Fucking lamest riot in the universe. Congratulations.
And don't even think about mentioning the rubber bullets. You guys had so much time to ruin Seattle's shit before those ever came into play, but you were too busy fagging out to 311.
And don't even think about mentioning the rubber bullets. You guys had so much time to ruin Seattle's shit before those ever came into play, but you were too busy fagging out to 311.
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#16
Really, WTO is in the history books ... your fear of action is not impressive. BUT, there are people who will tell you where to stand, what to do, what to wear and how to speak and how to think.
Honey, take charge. IT IS your life and your movement. Anger is human, it is real, it is effective.
You make me sick.
Really, WTO is in the history books ... your fear of action is not impressive. BUT, there are people who will tell you where to stand, what to do, what to wear and how to speak and how to think.
Honey, take charge. IT IS your life and your movement. Anger is human, it is real, it is effective.
You make me sick.
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Oh go ahead and be sick if you need to, dear. But you must be a timid little thing if all it takes is someone as innocuous as me to make you ill.
Did I say you shouldn't be angry? No. I said it might be a good idea for us to be collectively constructive in our anger (you'll notice I said "our" anger - that means us - because we all would be angry.) It's not all about you and your issues, or your drum circle or your giant puppet, or impressing your anarchist friends from Oregon, or your daddy issues, or your need to compensate for missing out on Stonewall, White Night and WTO.
Honestly darling, you might want to think about working on your reading comprehension skills and your critical reasoning before you go off on people who are just offering an opinion that doesn't fit into your idea of radical chic.
Or not. You can always follow in the footsteps of people just like you, preserve the status quo, and feel good about it. It's your choice, isn't it?
Did I say you shouldn't be angry? No. I said it might be a good idea for us to be collectively constructive in our anger (you'll notice I said "our" anger - that means us - because we all would be angry.) It's not all about you and your issues, or your drum circle or your giant puppet, or impressing your anarchist friends from Oregon, or your daddy issues, or your need to compensate for missing out on Stonewall, White Night and WTO.
Honestly darling, you might want to think about working on your reading comprehension skills and your critical reasoning before you go off on people who are just offering an opinion that doesn't fit into your idea of radical chic.
Or not. You can always follow in the footsteps of people just like you, preserve the status quo, and feel good about it. It's your choice, isn't it?
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Actually, I still occasionally hear people mention WTO and I currently live on the other side of the country. Still, like Catalina says, I can’t think of any concrete accomplishment in its wake.
There are strong arguments for aggressive protesting, pacifistic protesting, and the vast territory between. There’s no hard science proving which tactics will be most effective at what times. The only thing that is clear is that any movement that spends most its anger on itself loses its currency with the rest of the world.
There are strong arguments for aggressive protesting, pacifistic protesting, and the vast territory between. There’s no hard science proving which tactics will be most effective at what times. The only thing that is clear is that any movement that spends most its anger on itself loses its currency with the rest of the world.
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Okay, you got me, Catalina. How does a safe, non-threatening protest that everyone can ignore the day after (if not the day of) not preserve the status quo?
Not that everyone should stock up on bricks and balaclavas, but I am goddamn sick and tired of folks preemptively neutering a protest by admonishing that everyone not even think of being the least bit threatening.
Are you really angry? Then be angry.
That said, I think that numbers can be pretty effective on their own. If 500,000 people - hell, 100,000 - show up in Seattle alone, then damn! The May Day immigration rallies were non-violent and effective, largely because they brought everyone the fuck out. The result? Both major party presidential candidates favored immigration reform. Okay, McCain went fucking nuts later on, but in any case, a couple years after the fact, it looks like we're going to see it be reality. A bit slow, but eh...
Not that everyone should stock up on bricks and balaclavas, but I am goddamn sick and tired of folks preemptively neutering a protest by admonishing that everyone not even think of being the least bit threatening.
Are you really angry? Then be angry.
That said, I think that numbers can be pretty effective on their own. If 500,000 people - hell, 100,000 - show up in Seattle alone, then damn! The May Day immigration rallies were non-violent and effective, largely because they brought everyone the fuck out. The result? Both major party presidential candidates favored immigration reform. Okay, McCain went fucking nuts later on, but in any case, a couple years after the fact, it looks like we're going to see it be reality. A bit slow, but eh...
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Nonviolence is the fast track to social change. Look at what Gandhi accomplished so quickly. Now compare that to the violent, macho culture of Islamic militants in the middle east and around the world and for that matter the Israelis. Getting your ass kicked is the way to show the repressiveness of the other side. It is human nature for people to sympathize with you.
Violence is a cycle that only ends when one side unilaterally walks away from the fighting. After that the world will look with scorn on the remaining violent people.
You are kidding yourself if you think that rioting and bombing is helping your cause. You are only doing those things for your own ego, to make yourself feel better about your oppression.
Violence is a cycle that only ends when one side unilaterally walks away from the fighting. After that the world will look with scorn on the remaining violent people.
You are kidding yourself if you think that rioting and bombing is helping your cause. You are only doing those things for your own ego, to make yourself feel better about your oppression.
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#20
You don't like it when your wilting violets one penny ideas get called out.
I am neither timid or stupid. And I think WTO had giant proportions. That it is not still in the headlines is the state of things. It certainly was major moment an involved millions of people world wide and days of media. You do not understand change and push and shove for change ... not world wide media ... let alone personal satisfaction when doing something vs. passive carping about others.
You mock the WTO the turtle people who apparently were to creative for you to appreciate. Wearing Dior would have been OK too. Doing nothing is not OK.
Dear, shopping at Value Village is not all there is.
Where the marriage issues moves post Tuesday is a good question, but, if the California Supremes rule against justice and equality - that day will not be forgotten - and activism will surge in ALL fashions - and all over the USA. This is now the front line issue for GLBT folks, like it or not, that is where we are at. There is no backing down and just talking hipster blah blah at the hipster blah blah blog.
You can send polite emails from the safety of moms' basement - that is something at least.
I intend to march, shout, write some checks, and get angry as hell ... and after that work harder than ever.
WHEN AND WHERE IS THERE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE PLANNED?? Any ideas?
You don't like it when your wilting violets one penny ideas get called out.
I am neither timid or stupid. And I think WTO had giant proportions. That it is not still in the headlines is the state of things. It certainly was major moment an involved millions of people world wide and days of media. You do not understand change and push and shove for change ... not world wide media ... let alone personal satisfaction when doing something vs. passive carping about others.
You mock the WTO the turtle people who apparently were to creative for you to appreciate. Wearing Dior would have been OK too. Doing nothing is not OK.
Dear, shopping at Value Village is not all there is.
Where the marriage issues moves post Tuesday is a good question, but, if the California Supremes rule against justice and equality - that day will not be forgotten - and activism will surge in ALL fashions - and all over the USA. This is now the front line issue for GLBT folks, like it or not, that is where we are at. There is no backing down and just talking hipster blah blah at the hipster blah blah blog.
You can send polite emails from the safety of moms' basement - that is something at least.
I intend to march, shout, write some checks, and get angry as hell ... and after that work harder than ever.
WHEN AND WHERE IS THERE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE PLANNED?? Any ideas?
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Oh, and for those of you wondering how to effectively protest in a nonviolent way, you can bring the business of an entire state to a halt with a handful of people if you want. Just go out on the major highways and drive shoulder to shoulder across all the lanes at the minimum speed limit and watch the traffic back up for 100 miles. There are any number of creative things you can do for big effect once you put aside primal instincts to attack something.
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trstr, I'm not for neutering anything. It's just that we are seeing a wave of legislation that I never would have thought possible a year ago. The general public is really starting to get that this is a civil rights issue. Because of this, there are a lot of people who are trying to provoke us, so they can use it to try to turn opinion.
There will, of course, be all kinds of viral internet crap that will spring up no matter what happens - like that stupid, untrue story about the lady who got hit by her own Bible during some California event - I'm just advocating for not giving the anti-marriage folks any unnecessary ammunition.
I think you are absolutely right about the numbers. Let's fill Westlake, and make sure there are forty of us for every anti. And despite my snarky comment last night, let's have drums and puppets and all sorts of that kind of stuff, and let's hope for the best.
We have the upper hand, and we are winning. We need to keep that in mind no matter what happens on Tuesday.
There will, of course, be all kinds of viral internet crap that will spring up no matter what happens - like that stupid, untrue story about the lady who got hit by her own Bible during some California event - I'm just advocating for not giving the anti-marriage folks any unnecessary ammunition.
I think you are absolutely right about the numbers. Let's fill Westlake, and make sure there are forty of us for every anti. And despite my snarky comment last night, let's have drums and puppets and all sorts of that kind of stuff, and let's hope for the best.
We have the upper hand, and we are winning. We need to keep that in mind no matter what happens on Tuesday.
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Coffee, calm yourself, dear. You do what you want to do, and I'll do what I want to do. We both want to end up at the same place, after all. We just have different ways of getting there.
And for the record, I would never send an email from my mother's basement. For one thing, she doesn't have internet connectivity (she's 85 years old and just getting the hang of that wireless phone thing) and her basement is probably full of radon. I prefer to provoke you from the comfort of my patio. The breakfast nook if it's raining.
And I'm way too fat and way too poor for Dior. A person has to be almost skeletal to pull of couture. (Although I might be able to pull of St. John's knits, if you gave me girdle, and a week to squeeze into it)
And for the record, I would never send an email from my mother's basement. For one thing, she doesn't have internet connectivity (she's 85 years old and just getting the hang of that wireless phone thing) and her basement is probably full of radon. I prefer to provoke you from the comfort of my patio. The breakfast nook if it's raining.
And I'm way too fat and way too poor for Dior. A person has to be almost skeletal to pull of couture. (Although I might be able to pull of St. John's knits, if you gave me girdle, and a week to squeeze into it)
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In a strange way, this Uprising mirrors the Tea Parties.
Both groups are asking for an end to excessive Government regulation that restricts human freedom and human choice.
Should Gay Marriage proponents bring Tetley bags and dress up like Paul Revere?
Maybe...may be...
Both groups are asking for an end to excessive Government regulation that restricts human freedom and human choice.
Should Gay Marriage proponents bring Tetley bags and dress up like Paul Revere?
Maybe...may be...
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#11:
""Prop 8, the Mormon-backed initiative that passed in November".
That's an odd way to describe a measure that won over 7 million votes in a state that is only 1% Mormon."
Welcome to Non Sequitur Theatre.
The Mormon population of California could be 0%, and that still wouldn't change the fact that Prop 8 was backed by the Mormon Church.
""Prop 8, the Mormon-backed initiative that passed in November".
That's an odd way to describe a measure that won over 7 million votes in a state that is only 1% Mormon."
Welcome to Non Sequitur Theatre.
The Mormon population of California could be 0%, and that still wouldn't change the fact that Prop 8 was backed by the Mormon Church.
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#30
Big BIG problem just blaming the Mormons - and that mistake has become wisdom in the little thinking Slog circles.
The Catholic Bishop of of Sacramento - one of many in Calif. with giant population members - invited the Mormons to join the churches on the other side of the issue from gays.
He had worked in Salt Lake City and thus had formed some working friendships with top Mormon Clergy, a big plus, good net working.
The Mormons were part of a giant group of all the anti gay churches. They worked hard and raised tons of money.AS DID all the churches - First million and 1/2 came directly from the Knights of Columbus, Catholic secret society - and we all know the churches mounted a smart and well funded campaign.
They doorbelled, worked their churches and mounted major TV media early.
Our side did a shit campaign assuming that early polling would hand them victory ... blaming Mormons, hate them all you wish, blaming Mormons would be a setting for many of the same mistakes of the past.
WHEN you build a real working coalition with thousands upon thousands of WORKING grass roots volunteers, good media people and lots of early money - you have a kick as campaign. When you don't, you lose.
We lost.
And all the Mormon ranting does not absolve the blame that must be leveled at our own campaign. Did we learn? I fear not. The same people are still running Equality Calif, yup.
Can't wait for Tue.
Big BIG problem just blaming the Mormons - and that mistake has become wisdom in the little thinking Slog circles.
The Catholic Bishop of of Sacramento - one of many in Calif. with giant population members - invited the Mormons to join the churches on the other side of the issue from gays.
He had worked in Salt Lake City and thus had formed some working friendships with top Mormon Clergy, a big plus, good net working.
The Mormons were part of a giant group of all the anti gay churches. They worked hard and raised tons of money.AS DID all the churches - First million and 1/2 came directly from the Knights of Columbus, Catholic secret society - and we all know the churches mounted a smart and well funded campaign.
They doorbelled, worked their churches and mounted major TV media early.
Our side did a shit campaign assuming that early polling would hand them victory ... blaming Mormons, hate them all you wish, blaming Mormons would be a setting for many of the same mistakes of the past.
WHEN you build a real working coalition with thousands upon thousands of WORKING grass roots volunteers, good media people and lots of early money - you have a kick as campaign. When you don't, you lose.
We lost.
And all the Mormon ranting does not absolve the blame that must be leveled at our own campaign. Did we learn? I fear not. The same people are still running Equality Calif, yup.
Can't wait for Tue.
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@31 "The same people are still running Equality Calif, yup."
Nope. They have a new coordinator for the marriage-related efforts, Marc Solomon. If you think he's just more of same, you're in for a happy awakening. Ever hear of MassEquality, the organization that defeated the anti-marriage amendments that would have stripped us of our freedom to marry in MA? Well Marc was Director of MEq and did a stellar job. I'd say that by hiring Marc, EQCA has learned from past mistakes. I see blue skies ahead for CA.
Nope. They have a new coordinator for the marriage-related efforts, Marc Solomon. If you think he's just more of same, you're in for a happy awakening. Ever hear of MassEquality, the organization that defeated the anti-marriage amendments that would have stripped us of our freedom to marry in MA? Well Marc was Director of MEq and did a stellar job. I'd say that by hiring Marc, EQCA has learned from past mistakes. I see blue skies ahead for CA.
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EQCA is not the only house on the block.
Non-violent resistance more your speed?
Here is the group my husband and I have aligned with instead of the appeasers/hand wringers at EQCA and MEUSA:
http://onestruggleonefight.com/
Non-violent resistance more your speed?
Here is the group my husband and I have aligned with instead of the appeasers/hand wringers at EQCA and MEUSA:
http://onestruggleonefight.com/
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#32 -- let's hope. One hired gun vs. the mainstream no political smarts in chage and holding the checkbooks - let's hope.
California by the way, is very different political turf than Mass.
And, Lurleen, have enjoyed your posts at Pam's Blend - but - we know the enemy are rats, what are we doing to organize well is the bigger issue for me.
And message. So important, message. Media, the Calif commericals on our side were simply horrible. No one with political skills would have paid for them.
The one with the older couple, looking so sad and dour, all bummed out, our Lesbian daughter can't marry - it felt like they wished she was not lesbian - and of course we do not see the lesbian daughter - they keep her hidden in the basement. By the way the old couple looked like they lived in Boston, not Santa Barbara....
Time will tell.
Horrid, horrid, beyond bad.
California by the way, is very different political turf than Mass.
And, Lurleen, have enjoyed your posts at Pam's Blend - but - we know the enemy are rats, what are we doing to organize well is the bigger issue for me.
And message. So important, message. Media, the Calif commericals on our side were simply horrible. No one with political skills would have paid for them.
The one with the older couple, looking so sad and dour, all bummed out, our Lesbian daughter can't marry - it felt like they wished she was not lesbian - and of course we do not see the lesbian daughter - they keep her hidden in the basement. By the way the old couple looked like they lived in Boston, not Santa Barbara....
Time will tell.
Horrid, horrid, beyond bad.
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Just read about a protest against a KKK rally by clowns that totally shut it down. Something in this vein might be useful on Tuesday.
http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/03/clow…
http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/03/clow…
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Those of us in the general human rights circle hold a grudge against the LDS since we've been pushing to have them recognized by their peers as a valid denomination of Christianity, this despite their checkered history when it comes to marriage. (One that manifests contemporarily in Fundamentalist Mormon circles as old men trading each others thirteen-year-old daughters for legitimized sexual predation.) The ability of the LDS to forget their own past and show no empathy for other minorities is, certainly in my eyes, damnable.
Loveschild, the Judicial review of Proposition 8 has more significance than allowing gays to marry, just as the Civil War was about more than just slavery (Whether the US would shape to be a confederacy or a republic comes to mind). In this case, it will set a precedent concerning the integrity of the strict scrutiny level of legal protection for state-recognized minorities in California. If 8 is upheld, just about any group can be singled out for discrimination, and that can be written into the California constitution.
The 3% majority that voted in proposition 8 did so under a barrage of deceitful propaganda and appeals to intolerant biases. I am sure a fairly informed public would have voted differently.
Loveschild, the Judicial review of Proposition 8 has more significance than allowing gays to marry, just as the Civil War was about more than just slavery (Whether the US would shape to be a confederacy or a republic comes to mind). In this case, it will set a precedent concerning the integrity of the strict scrutiny level of legal protection for state-recognized minorities in California. If 8 is upheld, just about any group can be singled out for discrimination, and that can be written into the California constitution.
The 3% majority that voted in proposition 8 did so under a barrage of deceitful propaganda and appeals to intolerant biases. I am sure a fairly informed public would have voted differently.
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