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Tuesday, May 19, 2009

This One Goes Out To Loveschild...

Posted by on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Another version of Lily Allen's "Fuck You," this one by a bunch of French queer kids inspired by the Big Fat Gay Anti-Hate Collaboration's "Fuck You" video.

There's something quite moving about these videos. Via JoeMyGod.

 

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JF 1
good lord that was gay.
Posted by JF on May 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM
kid icarus 2
What is this Feed the Troll Day?
Posted by kid icarus http://absintheandoranges.com/ on May 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Rowlf 3
Tres adorable.
Posted by Rowlf on May 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Baconcat 4
This is going to kick her obsession with you into high gear.

I'm sure you'll start getting candy wrapper hatemail soon.

"KISS my MOUNDS, Savage. God made PEPPERMINT PATTIE and MR. GOODBAR, not MIKE & IKE."
Posted by Baconcat on May 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Keekee 5
Yes, the videos are great, blah, blah, blah.

But c'mon that song sucks a BIG bag o' dicks!
Posted by Keekee on May 19, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Will in Seattle 6
Yes, we know Lily Allen is the daughter of privilege who grew up with rock stars and barons. Not everything she does is keen. This is why I like both Katy Perry and Lily Allen.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Joe B 7
Off Topic

"Every set of twins deserves a Mother and Two(?) Fathers"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5205…
Posted by Joe B on May 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Hyzenthlayk9 8
Agree, Baconcat.

Negative attention (i.e. a public slapdown - in the form of being mentioned in a post's headline) is still attention, and this is sure to keep her fires stoked.

Still, I have to admit that the title of this post does warm the cockles of my heart...can't think of a better song to dedicate to her off the top of my head. Very nice, Dan.
Posted by Hyzenthlayk9 http://oystermind.blogspot.com/ on May 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM
reverend dr dj riz 9
on topic.. not to draw too much attention to myself.. but i believe i said it better without music , first
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Comme…
scroll down to #71...
thank you
Posted by reverend dr dj riz on May 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM
gloomy gus 10
These are weepymaking joyness. Love love love. Thanks. Next up, Japanese, Javanese, Portuguese...
Posted by gloomy gus on May 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Baconcat 11
@8: You know, normally I would agree that this is a bit far, but it's quite clear that Loveschild has a personal hatred for Dan Savage and as this is a blog rather than print media, it's not altogether improper for him to take enough umbrage that he outright insults Loveschild.

As we all know, she's made snide and irreverant remarks toward Dan, Terry and their child as a family unit and that's when the Papa Bear instincts start to boil up. There's also the fact that when she makes reference to gay families as being an aberration or insinuating gay men are pedophiles, she's insulting Dan's family indirectly.
Posted by Baconcat on May 19, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Cracker Jack 12
@4: That's right -- he made Peppermint Patty and Marcie. The first animated Christian lesbian couple.
Posted by Cracker Jack on May 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Vince 13
If they did that in Russian or Iraqi they'd all be...
Posted by Vince on May 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Jocelyn 14
This song is terrible, and the lyrics are really terrible, but the fact that it seems to make teenage gay kids feel empowered has warmed me to it. Slightly.

Seriously, terrible song though.
Posted by Jocelyn http://wtfwouldjesusdo.com on May 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM
15
As we all know, she's made snide and irreverant remarks toward Dan, Terry and their child as a family unit...


Whoa. It's amazing what I've missed in the past few weeks of not reading that moron's comments.
Posted by keshmeshi on May 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM
16
Man, it really is too bad that she is not a very eloquent, well spoken, or even a mildly worthy adversary or this would all be far more interesting.
Posted by Take it all in on May 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Baconcat 17
@12: I smell a play.

[Scene: Well-appointed living room. M sits on a tatami mat, weaving hemp. P sits at her computer.]

M: Almost done. Ah-[thoughtful pause] -should we head to the UCC this evening, Sir? I think there's a femme empowerment group meeting tonight and you can go to the coffee tasting class.

P: We've spent 3 nights this week at the church, I really need to finish this article for The Advocate. I have quotes from Secretary of State Van Pelt's assistant to insert regarding her husband Schroeder's opinion on DOMA.

M: Well, he signed it into law, and--

P: Irrelevant at this point. President Franklin's press secretary Sally Brown completely punted anyway, so I only have these silly non-answers to pretty clear answers. AUUUUUGH!
Posted by Baconcat on May 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Allyn 18
@7 Still off topic, but
Oh. My. God. If you’ve been unfaithful at any time in the few weeks surrounding the conception of your children and your partner doesn’t know, for God’s sake, DO NOT ALLOW A PATERNITY TEST!! It’s like those German couples mentioned a while back; the wife should have been a wee bit more forceful (“If you try to impregnate our neighbor, I’m leaving and taking the kids.”). Is the world just chock full of bad liars and inept deceivers?
There’s no hope for us left.

And no comment yet from the subject of this thread?
Posted by Allyn on May 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Posted by w7ngman http://userscripts.org/users/89370 on May 19, 2009 at 11:13 AM
COMTE 20
@17:

Smells more like an animated Christmas Special to me...
Posted by COMTE http://www.chriscomte.com on May 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM
21
I really enjoyed that. Thank you.
Posted by old queer lover in Michigan on May 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Baconcat 22
@20: You mean "non-denominational and unjudging winter celebration", or Nondeunjuwince!

Happy Nondeunjuwince!
Posted by Baconcat on May 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Cracker Jack 23
@19: That thing is better for the blood pressure than anything a doctor could prescribe! :)
Posted by Cracker Jack on May 19, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Cracker Jack 24
Nondeunjuwince time is here...
if you're straight or queer....
fun for all that SLOGers call
their favorite non-denominational and unjudging winter celebration of the year!
Posted by Cracker Jack on May 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Baconcat 25
Get out your LEDs and earth-friendly tinsel,
It's time for Nondeunjuwince-el
Posted by Baconcat on May 19, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Hyzenthlayk9 26
Baconcat @11: Again I agree with you.

I hope that my remarks about negative attention did not in anyway imply that I thought that the topic was 'too much' - on the contrary. As the second part of my post tried to highlight.

The point that I was trying to make, is that as self-centered and narcissistic as LC surely is - she will no doubt turn this into some sort of self-affirming gesture that will further fuel her ego.

I am glad that you included reminders (to those who may be new to the LC drama) in your post of just how over the line and off base LC has been.
[Personally, direct attacks against Dan and his family bring out the mama bear side in me]

reverend dr dj riz @9: You said what needed to be said, and it was a right then as it is now - thanks for linking back to that post.
Posted by Hyzenthlayk9 http://oystermind.blogspot.com/ on May 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Geni 27
@19 - I installed that a week ago, and it's amazing how much less irritating Slog comments are! My hat's off to you - a thousand thank-you's.
Posted by Geni on May 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
28
I have seen this clip the first time on wayoutwest.tv and then again on sunday on gay clic for the world day against homophobia. i find the clip refreshing. Daniel, do not despair, if DOMA, DADT , gay marriage and other hot issues (needle exchange ... some body hello!) are not tackled positively by our generation ( the 1955-1965 crowd), believe me it is this generation that will make america proud.
And yes if this video was played publicly in Serbia, Russia, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain Qatar, Iran Pakistan Yemen, Sudan, Algeria, Tunisia, Marocco, The senegal, Mauritania, United Arab Emirates, and other "gay-friendly"countries the actors or the players would be spending some nice time in a cool and dark place where they would be , to say the least, raped. And how do i know, I escaped one of those gay loving countries... they loved me to death !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by chaya760 on May 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Baconcat 29
@26: I think it's clear from her resistance to Kim's gentle appeals that she is dangling off a rhetorical cliff. She has no real ammunition anymore since she's played every card in her hand and is about as transparent as can be.

It's come to the point that most anyone can predict what she will say and most every GLBTQ-themed post will follow roughly the same route if she's involved. The only changing thing is LC's coherence, which seems to be sputtering out.

Either she's going to come around or she'll show just how hateful she is by falling off this rhetorical cliff. Either way, Dan directly addressing the hateful version of Loveschild is a nice good push in the right direction.

Maybe there's a good person in there somewhere! And if not, we've got a nice pair of Bailo-sized shoes she seems to fit pretty dang well.
Posted by Baconcat on May 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Hyzenthlayk9 30
@29: You are being far more optimistic that I can be - that "a good person" could be lurking anywhere within LC.

I think if that were the case, then some of Kim's efforts would have had an effect. But sadly that is not the case.
Posted by Hyzenthlayk9 http://oystermind.blogspot.com/ on May 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Baconcat 31
@30: Which brings us to the reason for this post ;)

I was simply clarifying the point that most folks had thought she wasn't being hateful, just defensive, which is why Kim and the riz tried so hard to get her to come around to at least a respectful middle ground. It didn't work.

I also want to point out that people have insisted over and again that she's entitled to her opinion, but as nobody was swayed by her vitriol, mere assent of her right to say what she wants seemed to up the ante for her. It's not enough that you listen to her, and you're damned if you don't take her word and do as she says.

Fringe fanatics are often fanatics only for their pet obsession, which is why it's no surprise that the waves generally smooth over when Loveschild makes a rare reply to other posts that have no bearing on GLBTQ issues.

And trolls in her vein often fall into their own trap and end up becoming the trolled. So, even if this is someone's game, they've certainly been playing to lose.

Point is, her vendetta and hatred are ultimately going to fall flat. She's swayed nobody here, and no amount of overture ("I'm fine with DPs, really!") will get her the dignity she seeks. So I predict some delicious fireworks after this post. She'll probably keep the cannons at muster until another thread where she'll start lobbing wingnutty grapeshot with Dan's name attached.

I'm just waiting for comments on gay parents being inadequate "comma, Dan(AND FAMILY!!!)" to become mixed in with "gays are pedos and perverts and drug addicts".
Posted by Baconcat on May 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Violet_DaGrinder 32
Shit, French queers are bonus hot. I'd fuck any one of those people, twice.

And Riz, you're right, nice work on that other thread. ;)
Posted by Violet_DaGrinder http://www.imeem.com/jukeboxmusic51/music/y1malqpG/prince-the-new-power-generation-featuring-eric-leeds-on-f/ on May 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM
kim in portland 33
Hey all,

I do believe that there is good in Loveschild. I know that she and I don't see eye to eye, but I have hope that she will gain compassion on the subject of full equality for every one.

At one point in my life my views on marriage equality were not that different than hers. Although, unlike her I don't believe any persons sexual orientation is a choice, I didn't grasp the inequality LGBTQ people face and I tried to convince myself that separate could be equal. By grace (and that is how I see it as a person of faith), I was forced to look inward. An atheist friend asked me if I would abandon my child if they turned out to be gay. That question changed everything for me. Of course I could never abandon or reject either of my kids (13 and 11), but it got me to reevaluate the whole separate but equal issue, it got me to stand up to fellow Christians in my sphere of influence. I think about that question all of the time. Separate will never be equal, and a person's sexual orientation or gender identification doesn't lessen the humanity of the person nor does it make them less deserving of full acceptance and equality. I believe (again this is a faith perspective, Matthew 25:45) that it is the responsibility of the majority to see to it that the minority is protected. Hence, the use of my time and my husbands income (He approves and supports my out-sourcing his income this way).

My thanks to all of you for contributing to my education on this journey. You have no idea how you impact my world. I am in your debt.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM
kim in portland 34
Man, this song sticks in my head. Yet, I love how empowered these people are. They make me smile.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Hyzenthlayk9 35
Kim, a post like your one @33, is one of the reasons that you are such a tonic. You help to remind us all that there really are good Christians out there that practice the love and tolerance that Christianity is supposed to promote.
Posted by Hyzenthlayk9 http://oystermind.blogspot.com/ on May 19, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Jason Eckelman 36
@ 33 - That's an interesting point, but I wonder: were you as belligerent and obnoxious about your views as LC? Did you intentionally (and incessantly) pick fights with people you disagreed with just to have someone to talk down to? I'm not just being hyperbolic. You seem like a live-and-let-live kind of gal. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet that even when your views were different, you weren't an asshole about it. I understand that not everybody is "down with the gays", which is fine - they certainly don't have to be, although it is nice when they are. With LC, it's really NOT just her views (which we disagree with) but the way she goes about imparting her views to us. She could have said her piece about her religious beliefs (such as they are) and been done with this site long ago. That doesn't seem to be what she's about, though. Anyway, I was just curious...

Cheers!
Posted by Jason Eckelman on May 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM
fendel 37
@33

Kim, I'd like to think that she had the capacity to change, but I just don't see it. She has dug in her heels pretty seriously, and appears to cover her ears to all the good arguments you and others have advanced. I think she has defined herself as an adversary, and it's become a part of her identity that is very important to her, for some reason.

I think there must be something behind her obsession, and nothing short of psychotherapy could break the spell. It would be a miracle if she came to her senses, and I would have a new respect for her, but I guess I'm a little cynical.

That said, I'm a little sad for her -- for whatever happened to her that locked her into this mission of hatred and closed-mindedness. It's great to have some counterpoint to the generally expressed opinions on SLOG, but hers is mean-spirited and unproductive. I actually hope we don't lose her, and that we can see someday a crack in her angry facade. I think there's a lot of pain there.
Posted by fendel on May 19, 2009 at 4:17 PM
kim in portland 38
Hi Jason,

No, I'm still the same me. I grew up in an emotional and sometimes physically violent childhood, and as a result spent a portion of my life dealing with my own insecurities and personal demons. So, I was so inward focused that I couldn't acknowledge the sufferings of others. It wasn't until I became healthy (and that means forgiving my abusers and stopped blaming myself) that I gained the ability to stop insisting life be about me. That coming to peace with myself, peace with God, correlated with my awakening to the inequality I was blindly supporting. So, no, you wouldn't have found me on Slog.

Does that answer your question?
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 19, 2009 at 4:18 PM
kim in portland 39
Fen @ 37,

Me, too.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 19, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Uriel-238 40
So how do I get Dan to dedicate a song to me, without being either a bigot or an asshole?
Posted by Uriel-238 on May 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM
kim in portland 41
No idea, Uriel-238. This song has been playing in my head. I hope if he dedicates one to you that the tune is as catchy. Now, I'm going to go play my guitar and reprogram my brain. Enough Lilly Allen, time for some Rolling Stones.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 19, 2009 at 5:22 PM
treacle 42
I'm happy that video exists.. thanks for posting!
Posted by treacle on May 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Jocelyn 43
Kim, I know it is highly unlikely, but I hope someday to meet you. I think of everyone I know (in reality and on the Internet), you are the one who most closely resembles what I believe it is to be Christ-like. Thank you so much for being so amazing.
Posted by Jocelyn http://wtfwouldjesusdo.com on May 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM
yucca flower 44
Goodness me those French teenagers are attractive. This almost makes me regret my class trip was to Italy, and not France. Almost.
Posted by yucca flower on May 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM
curtisp 45
Oh thank you for your music Dan. For the love of Lovechild is like being molested, self serving and smug under the guise of for your own good. Oh how I pray for you…I really do.
Posted by curtisp on May 19, 2009 at 8:26 PM
kim in portland 46
Jocelyn,

I'd like to meet you as well. Truthfully, I'd like to meet you all, including Loveschild. I'm hoping that actually meeting one another we would see how much we share in common, and we would have a better understanding of both ourselves and others. Perhaps, we'll have that moment someday. One can hope.

Take care,
k

Now back to the guitar ... must change the song playing in my head :).
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM
jimmy 47
The bitch even didn't have the decency to say 'thanks'.
Posted by jimmy http://www.mybigfatlazyblog.blogspot.com on May 19, 2009 at 11:35 PM
48
This is how Eminem translates into French – middle-fingering wagging gay boys and girls.

Cute little slim shady froggies.
Posted by Fred34 on May 20, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Hyzenthlayk9 49
Uriel-238 @40: I was wondering the exact same thing.

Sometime bad behaviour gets rewarded. Sort of the effect of the outlier getting noticed because it is distinct from the larger groupings.
Posted by Hyzenthlayk9 http://oystermind.blogspot.com/ on May 20, 2009 at 8:37 AM
50
@9

yes, reverend, you did. i still love that silly song, though. in re-reading that post's responses, along with today's, i am ever more grateful for people like yourself, kim, chinatown kev, fen, lily and jen (doubtless i am omitting several others). your intellect and grace make slog such a pleasant place to be, even when the weather is poor. please continue.

also, for a quick laugh (and possibly a long cry), check out the opening sentence of lc's response. classic.

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…

"Take it in slowly sugar, I know it's not easy when you believe otherwise but it's never too late to open one's eyes and in the end it'll do you more good..."

never too late? i hope so.
Posted by tina fish on May 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Jason Eckelman 51
@ 38 - Thanks. I hope my question didn't sound rude. If I haven't said it before, I really respect you and enjoy reading your take on things. I guess I was trying to say that people are free to disagree, obviously, particularly when religious issues are at play. It seems like there is more than that going on with LC. It's not that she's here to just disagree (which she clearly is), but that she's also here to insult people and act self-righteous & demagogue. There just seems to be such a fundamental difference between the way you & LC behave. You are very respectful of people's opinions, and she isn't. So, I guess I was wondering if you were still the same live-and-let-live kind of person you are now when you had more conservative (if that's the right word) beliefs.

Again, I'm real sorry if it seemed like I was being a jerk. That wasn't my intention at all. I think (in my humble opinion) that you bring a lot to Slog and I'm glad you're here.
Posted by Jason Eckelman on May 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM
kim in portland 52
Jason @ 51,

Don't worry. You haven't offended me. It's hard for me to talk about myself. There are parts of my life, that I would not change, but I don't like reliving. So, because I'm such a poor judge of myself, I had to ask others that I respect. Of course, they are my husband and friends, so their opinions are not without bias. According to them, I am the same me. I was more up tight and conservative before, but I was the biggest target of my expectations and perfectionism. I wasn't running around pointing my fingers at other, because I was too absorbed with myself. To caught up in the pain, and to busy hiding behind the walls I built. To quick to follow instructions. I have always been introspective, and struggled with being a pleaser, which makes me ever aware of my own failings. As a Christian, I am supposed to be balanced, I am supposed to be full of grace and work to attain holiness. In interactions mercy is to always preceed judgement. It is been pointed out that I lean to far on the side of grace, love, and mercy, it is a valid critcism. So, I am working to be more balanced. I would rather people say when I'm gone, that I loved them for who they were, but I didn't have it together and I was a sinner. Then, have them say, she sure had her life together, but her heart was very small. I need grace, so I extend grace. I'm not without planks in my own eye, so I try to focus on my own failings.

Anyhoo ... Hope that answers it. I appreciate hearing your thoughts, too.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Uriel-238 53
It would be remiss of me, given Lily Allen's song got double billing not to point out that Eric Idle's FCC Song is also worth a listen.

I'll let you google that one on your own.
Posted by Uriel-238 on May 20, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Hyzenthlayk9 54
@53: Oooh, great of you to mention that. It is a very good song. Glad you brought it up.

Now I'll have that song running through my head for the rest of the day.
Posted by Hyzenthlayk9 http://oystermind.blogspot.com/ on May 20, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Jason Eckelman 55
@ 52 - Thank you so much for that. I feel lucky to be able to chat with you. I just can't tell you how much that response completely knocked my socks off. I hope I can be as honest, gracious and understanding as you someday. All the best to you & your family, my dear~

:)
Posted by Jason Eckelman on May 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Frau Blucher 56
Thank you, Dan the man!

I absolutely LOVED IT!

And to those that did not: Fuck You!
Posted by Frau Blucher on May 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Enigma 57
This is so adorable! It took me this long to see it cause YouTube is only available every few days during a sun burst or something, and my sound at home is fucked up for some reason. But I've been waiting. And I'm so glad I finally got to see it.
Thanks for posting Dan. Slog is the only place I get to see these things.
Posted by Enigma http://approvereferendum71.org/ on May 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM
this guy I know in Spokane 58
That was SO CUTE! I mean, not *just* cute -- also courageous, life-affirming and strong. But still -- CUTE!!!
Posted by this guy I know in Spokane on May 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM

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