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Monday, May 11, 2009

The Mariners: Prudes in Court

Posted by Dominic Holden on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:40 PM

In King County Superior Court today, the Mariners made oral arguments for their lawsuit to block a Déjà Vu strip club from opening a half-block south of Safeco Field. At the center of discussion: a dispute over whether a 60-foot-wide sidewalk south of Safeco Field constituted a "park and open space use," which, under a 2006 city law, would require an 800-foot buffer zone from strip clubs. (The team and the public authority that runs Safeco Field also called three other nearby areas parks and open space, but they were barely discussed. I talk about them here.) Here's a picture of that wide sidewalk, which the Mariners call Safeco Plaza:

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“Years from now, no one will remember a decision to put a strip club in Lake City,” said Stephen Smith, an attorney representing the public facilities district, the state authority that owns Safeco Field. “I can guarantee you that years from now, people will remember this…. Every day that a game is played, thousands of kids will be walking past.”

“I’m certain you have arguments that are very compelling regarding minor children,” said King County Superior Court Judge John Erlick. “But [the city council] chose not to put the buffer zone around churches, spectator sports facilities, swimming pools, and other areas where children congregate.”

Mariners attorney Melody McCutcheon argued that the 2006 law created an uncharted designation for “park and open space”—not just park, and not just open space, but a befuddling combination of the two. And the court had to sort this out. Moreover, she said that “any” park and open space use would trigger the buffer zone—and this sprawling sidewalk is sometimes used in ways that resemble a park.

However, plenty of spaces provide temporary recreation that aren’t parks or open space, such as car-free Sundays, when city streets are opened exclusively to cyclists for recreation. Would all of Rainier Avenue South be designated as a park and open space because it's used one day a year as a recreational open space? Or all of Fremont for the annual Fremont Fair?

Judge Erlick probed, asking if the the publicly owned Pike Place Market also qualified as a park and open space?

“I don’t know, your honor,” said McCutcheon. The Pike Place Market district is the city’s current hub for adult cabarets and zillions of kids seemed to go there every year, unharmed.

Pete Buck, representing Déjà Vu, contended that city law clearly defines parks and open spaces as those areas "permanently dedicated to recreational, aesthetic, educational or cultural use." Buck points out: “This is an area used for overflow parking." Indeed, the Mariners confirmed, the team uses the plaza for overflow bus parking during its 81 home games a year—meaning the area isn’t “permanently dedicated” used as a park. Indeed, the time when kids are most likely to be present—Mariners games—is the same time the Mariners actually use that site in a way dangerous for kids.

Meanwhile, the attorney for the city, Robert Tobin—whose job, in theory, was to reaffirm the city’s decision last fall to allow the strip club—was pathetic. He stumbled over words when addressing the judge, and, when asked the key question over how the sidewalk differed from Westlake Square Park, he failed. Westlake Square Park (not Westlake park by the mall, but a triangular red-brick mini-block of benches and a fountain) is a tiny little thing. Judge Erlick asked Tobin if he could distinguish the two. The obvious answer is that Westlake Square is a city-operated park, it is covered in benches, and is never used a pay-to-park lot by a private company. But instead he said, “I think they are similar.” Then he sat down. And then his phone rang. Electronic devices are to be turned off in the courtroom, so Tobin fumbled around in his bag looking for it, still ringing. But it wasn’t one of those phones that you turn off and it just goes quiet. Oh, no. This was one of those phones that plays a little song to tell you it’s turning off.

Erlick said he will take up to 60 days to issue a decision.

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Baconcat 1
Protip: It's not the nudity, it's the price of drinks and food. Hit the stripclub before the game for some cheap beer and snacks, hit it after, Mariners take a hit in the pocket book.

It's not the nachos little Billy gets that drive the concessions business there, it's his dad's beer.
Posted by Baconcat on May 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Hernandez 2
Unfortunately for that argument, Baconcat, strip clubs here do not serve alcohol.
Posted by Hernandez on May 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Tina 3
So ummm could we do a "pinic in the park" for June's Slog happy and all bring BBQs and lawn chairs and set ourselves up in the area designated for "park and open space use"??? We could tell the Mariners we were just trying to help...
Posted by Tina on May 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Will in Seattle 4
Yeah, Baconcat, that's something you do up in BC, not here.

I like the idea of a picnic.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Baconcat 5
Wow, what's the point in going to a stripclub, then? Washington is so weird. Most parts of the country, you go to a stripclub for $2 wells, $5 chicken strips and $20 landing strips.

Pre-emptively banning booze seems so wrong.
Posted by Baconcat on May 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM
6
My hope is that Tobin decided to undercut the Mariners' stupid position the only way he could as a City Attorney: by playing the fool. Maybe he deliberately left his phone ringer on, arranging for a confederate in the courtroom to set it off just as he sat back down.
Posted by gloomy gus on May 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Will in Seattle 7
@5 - there is none.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM
jackie treehorn 8
The mariners consider a windowless strip club to be somehow more kid-friendly than Cowgirls, a giant fishbowl filled with strippers who leave their stripper clothes on while they do strippy stuff. AND dispense booze. So...
Posted by jackie treehorn http://twitter.com/whatevernick on May 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM
jackie treehorn 9
Kid-unfriendly, but whatever, I think you all read typo by now.
Posted by jackie treehorn http://twitter.com/whatevernick on May 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM
DOUG. 10
Cowgirls is further than 800 feet from Safeco.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on May 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Greg 11
Baconcat, Seattle got Jesus sometime around 1910 and banned a lot of things that were previously considered permissible. The Liquor Control Board is one remnant of a less-enlightened time; prostitution being illegal and no booze at strip clubs are others.
Posted by Greg on May 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 12
A fine piece of réportŕge, Dom. I didn't think you had it in you.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 13
First of all ... I would put a Hooters there, not a strip club.

Given the large numbers of inebriated dudes, orange shorty shorts and tight tee-shirts would be more than enough to get the blood flowing for 60 year old greybeards driving duellie trucks from Silverdale.

Second, I like Hooters. I like it a lot. Strip clubs are morbid places where catatonic "dancers" are on stage thinking about their MSW exams up at the U. while 60 year old greybeards gazed whistfully and imagine that they're "coming on to them". Hooters has great burgers.

Third. This is Seattle. Every Thursday should be "Go Gay Day" and be called BUNs (the U could be a butt like the OO's are...hooters) where rollerskating dudes in suspenders serve mixed drinks. And really good burgers.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchd…

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on May 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Fnarf 14
You do realize that every child who comes within 800 feet of the Lusty Lady -- including every child who has ever been to SAM -- has been instantly teleported up into a hovering spaceship, where aliens abuse them sexually and take their milk money? This never gets reported on.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on May 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Baconcat 15
Thanks for clarifying, Greg... I'm just surprised that even in states with blue laws, they still serve liquor at the tittybar.

Lt. Kojak, sir: I propose we call it Otters and have lean/sorta-buff dudes with a bit of scruff in bright orange jockstraps. The "t"s can be, well, fill in that thought.
Posted by Baconcat on May 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 16
Maybe Mudede should look into that, Fnarf.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM
jackie treehorn 17
Apropos of professional baseball nannyism, here's a video of the best pole dancing stripper in the world (she won a contest), Felix Cane, performing her routine at Cirque de Soleil's Zumanity show in Las Vegas. I'd pay to see that before or after my boring & expensive baseball experience. SFWish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PUppAaLC…

*thanks, Dlisted HS of the D
Posted by jackie treehorn http://twitter.com/whatevernick on May 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
laterite 18
“Years from now, no one will remember a decision to put a strip club in Lake City,” said Stephen Smith, an attorney representing the public facilities district, the state authority that owns Safeco Field."

I'm sure the citizens of Lake City really appreciate someone representing the state pigeonholing them like that.
Posted by laterite on May 11, 2009 at 6:17 PM
19
Urgh, my phone had one of those stupid turn-off songs too! Fortunately, I was able to disable it, so now the phone shuts up like a good phone when I turn it off.
Posted by I have always been... east coaster on May 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM
20
Mariners have no case.

Domenic is now legal critic as well as building maven.

This is not high school debate, even if the public thinks it is.

No case, no win.
Posted by Anna on May 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM
21
Did you ever notice how self righteous prudes always use the excuse they are "protecting children" when they want to stop consenting adults?
Posted by Aqua Regia on May 12, 2009 at 6:18 AM
Diana 22
I don't think that "open space" should have pavement on it.
Posted by Diana on May 12, 2009 at 6:25 AM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 23
It's one of my eternal questions: Children are not allowed in bars. So why aren't strippers allowed in bars?

Nervous NIMBY types will wax eloquent about "the children" and the effect of strip bars on "vibrant neighborhoods" (the word "vibrant" should be retired immediately, by the way) but it's not like every bar would become a strip bar, if we were to allow strippers. After all, we allow bay bars and sports bars (and gay sports bars!) but not every bar is a gay bar or a sports bar.

Plus, if a strip club has their liquor license to worry about, they are going to be more scrupulous about their customer's behavior and the way the dancers are treated.

And while were at it, let's have a few quiet words about porn arcades: Perhaps if were weren't so uptight about zoning, let alone such tacky things as glory holes, booth doors, and obsessing about the number of people allowed in booths, we would have less problems in our parks.

Face it: Some people are always going to need to be sneaky and furtive about sex. Other people are always going to have to pay if they want to see boobies. Let's all relax, let these folks have a good time, and let somebody make a profit on it.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://post.thestranger.com/seattle/MyProfile?oid=1500457 on May 12, 2009 at 6:55 AM
Mud Baby 24
This 60 foot strip is Seattle's Central Park! Therefore, we MUST protect the children!!!!!! That sounds logical, doesn't it?
Posted by Mud Baby on May 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM
25
Stripping has no place around baseball, the most wholesome, All-American sport ever. I think that Deja Vu should sell 'roids for the players instead of pervy lap dances. Keep baseball pure!
Posted by Cedar on May 12, 2009 at 9:13 AM

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