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News & ArtsMonday, May 11, 2009
Savage Love Savage Love Letter of the Day
Posted by Dan Savage on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:13 PM
I think you are one totally hot STUD!!!! Are there any available breeder boys like you? Are there straight guys like you who respect women as equals rather or just guys who see eye-pleasing hunks of meat made by Mattel? Do such men exist anymore, or were they all hunted down to mass extinction by the ultra-fucked-up Bush Administration? Or are het boys hopeless? I'm average-looking, and absolutely clueless about effective communication. Please don't recommend that I place an ad; I'm not comfortable with submitting a photo in a newspaper or online. I guess I'm old-fashioned (and admittedly chickenshit), but nothing has worked for me.Are there any grapevine or "Cerano de Bergerac" approaches I can take to meeting the opposite sex? I'd like to form friendships first and see where it goes from there.
Sexually Hesitant Yet
Um... thanks, SHY, for the nice compliment. I'll let my boyfriend know when I get home that he's been dating one totally hot STUD for nearly 15 years now. I imagine he'll be pleasantly surprised. But seeing women as equals and regarding them as eye-pleasing hunks of meat is not an either/or phenomenon. A man can see a woman as his equal and appreciate her meatier qualities. And I'm just as guilty of piece-of-meatism as the any straight guy, SHY, but since I see men—some of them anyway—as eye-pleasing hunks of meat (and my equals!) it doesn't tweak your insecurities. But you shouldn't regard me or any gay man as somehow "better" than the average straight guy just because we don't look at women like they're pieces of meat. I promise you, SHY, that if we wanted to fuck women, we would.
No, SHY, you don't want a man like me. Because there's a name for guys who only regard women as equals and never as meat: faggots. And, trust me, you don't want to date one of us. You want a straight guy. Luckily for you straight men are pretty much everywhere and they're not, from what I've been told, really all that picky. If you're not interested in marketing yourself online, I would encourage you to leave the house now and then. Go for long walks, go to bars, join the circus—get out there and meet men. Sooner or later you'll meet one who respects your fundamental equality and wants to sink his teeth—and other stuff—into your meat. Good luck.
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So she's "average-looking", "hesitant" , "clueless", "chickenshit", but somehow it's the boys' fault she can't hook up with hot studs?
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Dan, sometimes it frightens me that I always agree with you.
But, again, you're right. There's nothing quite like being respected as a human by someone who also quivers like jell-O at the sight of your ass.
But, again, you're right. There's nothing quite like being respected as a human by someone who also quivers like jell-O at the sight of your ass.
4
Hypocritical much?
Maybe if she toned down the annoyance factor a few degrees she would meet more people.
Maybe if she toned down the annoyance factor a few degrees she would meet more people.
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Very nice response, but I would have been meaner if I were you. If only because this woman is clearly awful.
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Interesting that she wants this unrealistic version of a man, yet wants to obtain him through dishonest means ... Any "C[y]rano de Bergerac" approaches? Yeah ... it's called ON-LINE DATING ...
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Long walks....? I walked from the U-District to Queen Anne and back yesterday and did not meet any hot guys. Oh well.
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She's gotta get over being "chickenshit" and just start asking guys out. It's what guys have been doing forever. If she can't get over fear of rejection (which probably won't happen much anyway, because as Dan said, guys aren't that picky) then she's just gotta start hanging out at bars and coffeeshops and whatever, but by herself, no chatty cathys along with. Just her, alone. She'll get a lot of creeps but also some good guys will ask her out on occasion too.
But seriously, just ask out guys your interested in SHY. Get over your fear and just do it.
But seriously, just ask out guys your interested in SHY. Get over your fear and just do it.
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You make my heart happy Dan... Look SHY get off your ass and go for it... Hang out in places where the kind of guys you like seem to go; which in your case sounds like gay bars ... oh I think I see the problem now ...
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I've heard people say similar things and then "I don't want to try the classifieds because it doesn't seem like a genuine way to meet people." If you find the love of your life, do you really care how you meet them?? I don't know if SHY's "i'm not comfortable..." is for this same reason but still.
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The only thing I can say to SHY is stop dating assholes! We're not all like that, although many of us are forced to be to get noticed by girls. Tons of "nice guys" getting pissed on by girls that ignore them. You want respect and equality? Try a "nice guy."
I have no sympathy for you.
I have no sympathy for you.
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Could've fooled me. Maybe they're not picky about getting their dicks wet, but for long-term dating? Yes, they are. At least as much as women.
they're not, from what I've been told, really all that picky.
Could've fooled me. Maybe they're not picky about getting their dicks wet, but for long-term dating? Yes, they are. At least as much as women.
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I think her first problem may lie in that she thinks Mr Savage is hot. If she's finding herself physically attracted to fem guys.... then I agree with Dan. She needs to get out more. There are (real) men out there who can be husband material. Also if you're a fag hag, just leave that role cause you might start to believe that's how all men behave.
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There are straight men that have more fem attributes (loveschild) there is nothing wrong with being attracted to that type of guy, if they are attracted back. I think that writer's big problem is that she claims to have tried "everything" while in the same breathe saying that she doesn't want to try on-line dating. She wants someone else to be her face ... refuses to easiest to go about doing that.
You can't get things in life if you aren't willing to put in some footwork peeps. No matter what avenue she takes, there are going to be assholes, but there are going to be some great guys too, you just need to get out there.
You can't get things in life if you aren't willing to put in some footwork peeps. No matter what avenue she takes, there are going to be assholes, but there are going to be some great guys too, you just need to get out there.
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@19 eek ... hacked through the last sentence of the first paragraph there, sorry for not doing a quick re-read ahead of time "she wants someone else to be her face ... yet refuses the easiest way to about doing that."
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Can we all agree that stereotyping straight men as a bunch of un-picky, slobbering idiots who can't keep their dicks in their pants is as insulting as considering all straight women as shoe-obsessed bimbos lacking enough brains to carry out a conversation for longer that 2 minutes without using the acronym "OMG?"
No, I didn't think so. Because we enjoy our hypocrisy too much for that.
Truth is, this chick wants a guy who's hot, respectful, AND willing to date "chickenshit," "average-looking" women. They have that fantasy for guys. It's called EVERY DATING MOVIE EVER, and it's FUCKING FICTION... which is apparently what SHY has been fucking for a while now.
No, I didn't think so. Because we enjoy our hypocrisy too much for that.
Truth is, this chick wants a guy who's hot, respectful, AND willing to date "chickenshit," "average-looking" women. They have that fantasy for guys. It's called EVERY DATING MOVIE EVER, and it's FUCKING FICTION... which is apparently what SHY has been fucking for a while now.
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After living in Capitol Hill for almost 10 years, I finally saw Dan Savage on the street the other day. Unshaven, not as tall as I expected, and not what I'd call fem.
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Haha, I've never seen him before. I was going off of what Loveschild said ...
Either way, SHY needs to get off her butt and actually TRY EVERYTHING. Stop living in a fantasy (like #25 said, it is a FUCKING FANTASY).
Sitting on your ass doesn't get you anything. Going out and trying isn't going to get everything either, but at least it will get you closer. After the first rejection, when you realize you LIVED THROUGH IT, you'll try again. Gain some confidence. Learn some shit. etc. etc.
Either way, SHY needs to get off her butt and actually TRY EVERYTHING. Stop living in a fantasy (like #25 said, it is a FUCKING FANTASY).
Sitting on your ass doesn't get you anything. Going out and trying isn't going to get everything either, but at least it will get you closer. After the first rejection, when you realize you LIVED THROUGH IT, you'll try again. Gain some confidence. Learn some shit. etc. etc.
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Walking up to a person and saying, "Wanna boink?" generally works well. Yeah, you get rejected but somebody will like what they see...eventually.
p.s. It also helps if you have something in your sexual repertoire besides vanilla/missionary/fucking-for-Jeebus sex...I'm not saying you have to be into scat, mule-fucking, or water sports...but you might want to come up with a unique um, gimmick that makes you stand out from the crowd.
p.s. It also helps if you have something in your sexual repertoire besides vanilla/missionary/fucking-for-Jeebus sex...I'm not saying you have to be into scat, mule-fucking, or water sports...but you might want to come up with a unique um, gimmick that makes you stand out from the crowd.
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UncleVinny: And in a badly-wrinkled T-shirt, I'll bet.
Kim: Aw, shucks, does that mean I have to shave my legs?
Kim: Aw, shucks, does that mean I have to shave my legs?
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Uh, Loveschild, proud fag hag here, who has zero problem identifying & jumping on, interested straight men when desired. Please stop making mass assumptions about ALL homosexuals & all people who dig them. SHY can totally have her gay boyfriends all she wants, she just has to stop being that much in love with them. SHY? No matter how great the imagined chemistry, he's never gonna want to jump your bones.
I only made that mistake once, & I was 15, so how could I kow for sure he couldn't be converted..if only..*dramatic lip bite*..I grin now, looking back at it, poor guy. Poor me. Hey, I was 15.
It's okay to have a gay guy "wingman" if you're nervous about going somewhere alone initially. Just make sure to get up the chutzpah to eventually go it alone & make sure it's not always the gay bar.
SHY's definitely clingy but redeemable. Get out there SHY, ya only live once. Try online dating, it's not that bad.
I only made that mistake once, & I was 15, so how could I kow for sure he couldn't be converted..if only..*dramatic lip bite*..I grin now, looking back at it, poor guy. Poor me. Hey, I was 15.
It's okay to have a gay guy "wingman" if you're nervous about going somewhere alone initially. Just make sure to get up the chutzpah to eventually go it alone & make sure it's not always the gay bar.
SHY's definitely clingy but redeemable. Get out there SHY, ya only live once. Try online dating, it's not that bad.
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Last sentence, first paragraph (man I have really been bad with premature keyboard lately) should say something about, sometimes the chemistry between you & the gay boyfriend *is* real - dialogue that snappy is rare. But that's not the same sizzle you get when a guy wants you. ;)
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Mr. Fifty-Two-Eighty,
Hell no. Sexy is being comfortable in your own skin. Besides, I find guitar players hot,too.
PS Every play a CF Martin? I just got a 000C-16RGTE Premium with a Fishman Prefix onboard blender.
Hell no. Sexy is being comfortable in your own skin. Besides, I find guitar players hot,too.
PS Every play a CF Martin? I just got a 000C-16RGTE Premium with a Fishman Prefix onboard blender.
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Unrelated to SHY's problem, but Dan you ARE hot. A bit on the skinny side, but still very hot. Your boyfriend is a lucky man.
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This gal has a confluence of cock-killers (chickenshit, clueless, shy, average-looking). She also has the "bad guys feel lust, good guys feel love" concept burned into her brain, which is the female version of 'women are virgins or whores' theme that so many stunted men carry around in their brains.
She can't do much about average-looking unless it's because she's a porker. The other stuff? She needs to learn that:
a) being beautiful on the inside isn't enough
b) guys like a woman who's a friend, a slut, and a trooper all combined
c) subtlety doesn't work with men. It wastes time. Don't be afraid to crash and burn - or if you are afraid, don't let it stop you. Ask, get turned down, move on until you start getting results.
She can't do much about average-looking unless it's because she's a porker. The other stuff? She needs to learn that:
a) being beautiful on the inside isn't enough
b) guys like a woman who's a friend, a slut, and a trooper all combined
c) subtlety doesn't work with men. It wastes time. Don't be afraid to crash and burn - or if you are afraid, don't let it stop you. Ask, get turned down, move on until you start getting results.
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to consider Dan butch is to have never gone to the Cuff ... the Zodiac .... a shower full of soaping Navy men ... or visited the truck stop on I-5 with whiskey and weed ....
Oh, Fnarf, expert on all things gay .... get out just a bit more, like the shy girl. Experience makes experts.
Oh, Fnarf, expert on all things gay .... get out just a bit more, like the shy girl. Experience makes experts.
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I guess I see it from the other side, but I see so many hot "Straight" guys. That's all I see. We'll some of them might be gay, but I can't tell. I quess it's a case of grass being greener on the other side of the fence. At times I actualy find myself wishing all gay guys wore rainbow pins or somethings. The unfortunate thing is that I'm mostly attracted to guys like you Dan, not the flaming queens, and so it becomes even harder to reconize gay from straight. Then my Mom, always tells me guys are looking at me. She's actualy over supportive sometimes, lol. I listen to her, but don't know when she is right. How do I find gay men, my age (18-20) in a small town, when there are no only gay groups or clubs? I always find myself worrying that I'll hit on a straight guy. I was going for walks, but always tell myself it's useless because I won't meet a gay guy I like in this small town, about 2500-3000 ppl.
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For heavens sake, I wasn't aware that most sloggers were straight Japanese women. Coz the only straight people I've heard with a fetish for gay men is them. It never stops to bewilder me. None of my straight girlfriends has ever told me they found a fem guy even remotely attractive. You sound like you've have never seen or heard Dan, whenever he opens his mouth a purse falls out. You can like him all you want (I think he's sometimes sane too) but don't deny the obvious. This poor woman is just hurting herself by fantasizing over fem guys ( its not healthy), it's like the Centaur thing or worst. And Dan to his credit has told her so. I mean where do these women come from? Wouldn't liking something like that make them lesbians, one would think they would go for that.
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Hey SHY, get a puppy and take it for walks. Join a hiking club or something. Pursue some creative activity that requires groups dynamics, or social connections.
Oh, and build up your confidence. The sexiest, hottest thing in the world is confidence.
Oh, and build up your confidence. The sexiest, hottest thing in the world is confidence.
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@40, just because your friends haven't been attracted to a fem guy doesn't mean some of us aren't. I generally prefer fem guys. My best friend is a straight guy, but he's fem in many ways and very hot. Just because something may be out of your experience doesn't mean it's not possible.
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Hahahahaha oh that was great! "whenever he opens his mouth a purse falls out" ... I have never seen or heard Dan before, but that was beautiful.
However, your frustration at woman liking more fem guys is really weird ... I myself, prefer the manly man. I like my man hairy, beards are hot, a little rough around the edges, yadda yadda yadda, that is what turns me on. But for craps sakes, there is nothing wrong with liking men with more fem attributes, not outright gay, but maybe a little on the pretty side, who cares? It doesn't effect you.
But, yes, if her affinity is specifically for gay men the she has a rude awakening coming. Her biggest problem, however, is that she is not going for ANY MEN ... gay or straight or 4 legged!
However, your frustration at woman liking more fem guys is really weird ... I myself, prefer the manly man. I like my man hairy, beards are hot, a little rough around the edges, yadda yadda yadda, that is what turns me on. But for craps sakes, there is nothing wrong with liking men with more fem attributes, not outright gay, but maybe a little on the pretty side, who cares? It doesn't effect you.
But, yes, if her affinity is specifically for gay men the she has a rude awakening coming. Her biggest problem, however, is that she is not going for ANY MEN ... gay or straight or 4 legged!
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@38 i hear you about the rainbow pins. i live in a small town too and i wish the chicks here had that policy. and maybe a special rainbow pin for lesbians who aren't 'bi snobs' and would actually date a bi breeder! idk where we are supposed to find these people, but i wish you luck. you have it a lot harder than i do, since there's always straight guys out here in the boondocks! (which may explain why i haven't dated a chick in 5 years.....)
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LC, the rest of the world is far more diverse than you can imagine.
Start with the butch/fem thing being a spectrum, not just two isolated poles.
Start with the butch/fem thing being a spectrum, not just two isolated poles.
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@40 - Way to be judgmental.
In your attempt at attacking Dan, you wound up attacking the tastes and preferences of many of the straight women on Slog in particular; in addition to attacking the greater Slog community (gay, lesbian, bi, trans, straight, and all others along the spectrum) in general.
A guy who is 'fem' or has fem traits isn't necessarily gay; and keep in mind that the reverse is also true - a guy who is 'manly' isn't necessarily straight.
Sure, a number of us find men with some fem traits attractive. Some of us also find Dan (and 'fem' is not a word I would use to describe him), and others to also be very attractive.
Different strokes and all of that.
What you and your friends find to be attractive, I would probably find meh, or not very appealing.
On the other hand, what Dan considers to be attractive (and since he is kind enough to share with the class here on Slog, an informed opinion can be made) has shown that the man has good taste.
Let's just say that I rather go guy watching with or get set up on a date by Dan, than risk your tastes or judgments.
In your attempt at attacking Dan, you wound up attacking the tastes and preferences of many of the straight women on Slog in particular; in addition to attacking the greater Slog community (gay, lesbian, bi, trans, straight, and all others along the spectrum) in general.
A guy who is 'fem' or has fem traits isn't necessarily gay; and keep in mind that the reverse is also true - a guy who is 'manly' isn't necessarily straight.
Sure, a number of us find men with some fem traits attractive. Some of us also find Dan (and 'fem' is not a word I would use to describe him), and others to also be very attractive.
Different strokes and all of that.
What you and your friends find to be attractive, I would probably find meh, or not very appealing.
On the other hand, what Dan considers to be attractive (and since he is kind enough to share with the class here on Slog, an informed opinion can be made) has shown that the man has good taste.
Let's just say that I rather go guy watching with or get set up on a date by Dan, than risk your tastes or judgments.
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I agree with #10, when I was single I eventually found that asking a guy out was much easier than trying to engineer him into doing the same. Just need to be subtle as American men scare very easily.
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c'mon SHY, get over it and jump into someone's pants. the only bad thing that can happen if he lets you is that he likes you, you date and he leaves you for someone younger when you believe things are great..
anyway, in the meantime you both cna enjoy greta sex and lovely romantic dinners and walks and skiing trips :)
anyway, in the meantime you both cna enjoy greta sex and lovely romantic dinners and walks and skiing trips :)
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SHY -- as your gay male analog (plain, clueless, admiring of beauty etc), I can assure you it's the same on this side. Asking a hot popular fellow for advice for you is really never going work, now is it? Their lives are different in many ways so the advice will be too. (Ex: I've never joined in on conversations about how to tell people hitting on you that you aren't interested in them...... wouldn't have a clue what that's about.)
Hopefully youth is on your side since it gets reaaalll hard after 50, baby......
Get out and work with what you have. Mr Right is NOT coming looking for you while you sit on a couch at home.
Hopefully youth is on your side since it gets reaaalll hard after 50, baby......
Get out and work with what you have. Mr Right is NOT coming looking for you while you sit on a couch at home.
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40, Every time you open you mouth, does a piece of fried chicken fall out? Why is it okay for you to say such things, but you scream racist when someone else cites accurate statistics?
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What are you talking about Loveschild? You are the biggest closet fag hag ever. That is why you spend so much time here instead of at bars with the out fag hags.
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SHY sounds like the female equivalent of those "nice guy" twits who constantly whine that women are only attracted to assholes.
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*TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT NOTICED!* There is a sad pattern here.
Loveschild- who claims to have little respect for Dan Savage- reads every. single. one. of his posts, in detail no less!
She then makes some lame comment that's meant to reaffirm her stale viewpoints to everyone here and, at the same time, refocus any attention that may have been directed at Dan's post to herself.
When the attention drifts away, she's right back at the keyboard making another asinine and incendiary comment.
Fortunately for her, there are several hard-core Dan Savage post followers who play right into her hands and are quick to berate, criticize and dress down her silly comments.
But guys, here's the secret: THAT IS WHAT SHE WANTS!
Christ, Dan could write a whole column about Loveschild's fetish for being made to feel stupid and villified.
I know, from my cursory readings of the frequent tet-a-tets in these comments sections, that Loveschild has supposedly defined herself as an African American Woman. But I can almost guarantee that she is, in fact, a pudgy, confused quasi-republican, high-school/community college aged girl who gets off on inciting silly arguments in the columns section of a blogger she supposed detests.
DON'T GIVE IN! IGNORE HER! She desperately needs to get off the computer, out into the world, and find a better outlet for her bizarre perversions.
I intend to repost this (maybe a shorter version though...) on every Dan Savage post.
Thank you, and good night.
Loveschild- who claims to have little respect for Dan Savage- reads every. single. one. of his posts, in detail no less!
She then makes some lame comment that's meant to reaffirm her stale viewpoints to everyone here and, at the same time, refocus any attention that may have been directed at Dan's post to herself.
When the attention drifts away, she's right back at the keyboard making another asinine and incendiary comment.
Fortunately for her, there are several hard-core Dan Savage post followers who play right into her hands and are quick to berate, criticize and dress down her silly comments.
But guys, here's the secret: THAT IS WHAT SHE WANTS!
Christ, Dan could write a whole column about Loveschild's fetish for being made to feel stupid and villified.
I know, from my cursory readings of the frequent tet-a-tets in these comments sections, that Loveschild has supposedly defined herself as an African American Woman. But I can almost guarantee that she is, in fact, a pudgy, confused quasi-republican, high-school/community college aged girl who gets off on inciting silly arguments in the columns section of a blogger she supposed detests.
DON'T GIVE IN! IGNORE HER! She desperately needs to get off the computer, out into the world, and find a better outlet for her bizarre perversions.
I intend to repost this (maybe a shorter version though...) on every Dan Savage post.
Thank you, and good night.
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I'm of the opinion that Loveschild's post are written by the same rad-fem lesbian who wrote the old Ed Anger column in the Weekly World News. Either that or it's Dan himself keeping things stirred up.
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@53
Ummm ... are you loveschild? Wouldn't posting that comment on every Dan Savage do exactly what you are screaming against? I don't think that she "stirs things up" so much as makes herself sound like a jackass. And, fuck, whatever, it gives people someone to hate on right? Someone to feel "smarter" than. Someone that we can comment against and feel like 'yeah, eat that biotch' we're all guilty of getting our righteousness out on the bloggers of the slog, yet we read hungrily on and on ... tis the cycle ...
Ummm ... are you loveschild? Wouldn't posting that comment on every Dan Savage do exactly what you are screaming against? I don't think that she "stirs things up" so much as makes herself sound like a jackass. And, fuck, whatever, it gives people someone to hate on right? Someone to feel "smarter" than. Someone that we can comment against and feel like 'yeah, eat that biotch' we're all guilty of getting our righteousness out on the bloggers of the slog, yet we read hungrily on and on ... tis the cycle ...
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@7:
Shut up, Joceyln!
You sound like one pathetic, lookist bitch!
SHY just needs a little self confidence boost, not acidic retorts by skanks like you. Chill out!
Shut up, Joceyln!
You sound like one pathetic, lookist bitch!
SHY just needs a little self confidence boost, not acidic retorts by skanks like you. Chill out!
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Attention Joe Glibmoron:
SHY is probably "the female equivalent of one of those nice guy twits" because she's constantly been surrounded by assholes!
Get out of the house more, SHY. Thankfully guys aren't all that way. There are plenty of good ones out there.
Keep on pluggin'.
SHY is probably "the female equivalent of one of those nice guy twits" because she's constantly been surrounded by assholes!
Get out of the house more, SHY. Thankfully guys aren't all that way. There are plenty of good ones out there.
Keep on pluggin'.
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@13: Hey Jinushaun,
Way to go for killing your own argument in mid-sentence!
Doesn't "being forced to act like an asshole" just to get a girl's attention defeat the point you're trying to make?
What ever happened to being open and upfront?
I guess common sense isn't so common anymore.....sigh.
Oh, and I have no sympathy for you, either.
Way to go for killing your own argument in mid-sentence!
Doesn't "being forced to act like an asshole" just to get a girl's attention defeat the point you're trying to make?
What ever happened to being open and upfront?
I guess common sense isn't so common anymore.....sigh.
Oh, and I have no sympathy for you, either.
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@4: Annoy people much?
Maybe if you toned down the level of your lookist acidity,
you'd be taken more seriously.
Maybe if you toned down the level of your lookist acidity,
you'd be taken more seriously.
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@1: Fnarf---
I didn't see anything anywhere in SHY's blog that indicated she was automatically blaming the guy(s) for not hooking up.
We burn others, we get burned. It happens.
SHY's caution about casual sex is understandable, but doesn't need to consume her life. She just needs to let it go and move on.
I didn't see anything anywhere in SHY's blog that indicated she was automatically blaming the guy(s) for not hooking up.
We burn others, we get burned. It happens.
SHY's caution about casual sex is understandable, but doesn't need to consume her life. She just needs to let it go and move on.
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@22:
Greg:
So---what's up with the phone number? Are you a registered psychopath?
Or are you just seeking a knee-jerk reaction?
ICK!
Greg:
So---what's up with the phone number? Are you a registered psychopath?
Or are you just seeking a knee-jerk reaction?
ICK!
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@22:
Oh, yeah---YOU sound like a "winner", too.
Right.
Maybe assholes like you are the main reason why hesitant girls like her are so "SHY".
Oh, yeah---YOU sound like a "winner", too.
Right.
Maybe assholes like you are the main reason why hesitant girls like her are so "SHY".
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@21:
Hey Fifty-two Eighty:
There are actually a lot of good reasons out there for effective birth control. It sounds like you're one of them!
Hey Fifty-two Eighty:
There are actually a lot of good reasons out there for effective birth control. It sounds like you're one of them!
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@25:
I agree with your one basic point: nobody wants to be branded by an unwanted stereotype. Not all breeder boys are lookist slobs, and not all chicks are brainless airhead Peg Bundys "totally fersure" into hair and shoes.
However, nullbull----what's wrong with an occasional fantasy?
Don't you ever have any?
I agree with your one basic point: nobody wants to be branded by an unwanted stereotype. Not all breeder boys are lookist slobs, and not all chicks are brainless airhead Peg Bundys "totally fersure" into hair and shoes.
However, nullbull----what's wrong with an occasional fantasy?
Don't you ever have any?
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@25:
I agree with your one basic point: nobody wants to be branded by an unwanted stereotype. Not all breeder boys are lookist slobs, and not all chicks are brainless airhead Peg Bundys "totally fersure" into hair and shoes.
However, nullbull----what's wrong with an occasional fantasy?
Don't you ever have any?
I agree with your one basic point: nobody wants to be branded by an unwanted stereotype. Not all breeder boys are lookist slobs, and not all chicks are brainless airhead Peg Bundys "totally fersure" into hair and shoes.
However, nullbull----what's wrong with an occasional fantasy?
Don't you ever have any?
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@40:
Loveschild-----
How do you know that SHY is Japanese?
What falls out of your mouth besides fried chicken?
Loveschild-----
How do you know that SHY is Japanese?
What falls out of your mouth besides fried chicken?
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Jinushan,
you're deluding yourself. You're no nice guy. Why is it all the guys who whine about girls not liking "nice guys" are actually woman-hating assholes? Think we can't smell that a mile away? Nice guys -really nice guys - can get all the ass they desire. Why? Cause they're really nice, they really like us, and we really like that.
you're deluding yourself. You're no nice guy. Why is it all the guys who whine about girls not liking "nice guys" are actually woman-hating assholes? Think we can't smell that a mile away? Nice guys -really nice guys - can get all the ass they desire. Why? Cause they're really nice, they really like us, and we really like that.
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