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Monday, May 4, 2009

Larry Stickney to Attempt Repealing Domestic Partnership Bill

Posted by on Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Larry Stickney, president of the Washington Values Alliance, has a noon appointment to file a referendum that, if passed, would repeal Washington’s most recent domestic partnership bill, says Washington Secretary of State spokesman David Ammons.

Stickney, a former aide to Republican legislator John Koster and primary backer Everett's Monument to the Ten Commandments, ran a set of deceptive television ads about the bill before the senate passed it, claiming that domestic partnerships would "redefine marriage" and result in "teaching that gay marriage is normal and healthy in public schools." On its website, the group lists 10 reasons to run the referendum.

The bill at issue is the state's third piece of domestic partnership legislation. The legislature passed two previous domestic partnership laws, which established a registry for same-sex partners and provided a handful of marriage rights. Those two would remain unaffected. This third bill, which would face a public vote, would extend all of the state-granted rights of marriage.

It’s unclear which group will actually run the referendum. Faith and Freedom had been fundraising for the referendum, but the group, led by the carpetbagging and tax-evading Gary Randall, may not run the campaign after all. “The latest buzz we’re getting is that it will be run by the Washington Values Alliance,” says Brian Zylstra, a spokesman for the Secretary of State.

The Washington Public Disclosure Commission (PDC) requires any group funding a referendum to file as a political action committee. The PDC is reviewing recent records to identify a political action committee that would run the campaign, but as of yet, WVA has not filed a PAC.

It will take the state Attorney General's Office one week to establish a ballot title and summary for the referendum, but then opponents could delay the referendum. “If anyone wants to challenge that ballot title, which is often a strategic thing for opponents, then they can go to the Thurston County court and ask for review of the ballot title," says Ammons. "Whatever the court finally decides is a fair and accurate ballot title, the group can print on the petitions. It can take several weeks for all of that to happen.”

To qualify the referendum for the general-election ballot, petitioners have until July 25 to submit 120, 577 signatures of registered Washington voters.

Stickney has not returned calls to comment.

 

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"On this point, I wanted to tell you guys about a discussion I had with a friend a couple of days ago about ERW....

So, I met up with a friend I used to work with who was laid off by ERW [recently]. He was actually XXXXX's direct supervisor until that point, a Field Organizer. We talked for several hours and he just totally went off on ERW top-down organizing style.

Part of his job was to try and organize things with smaller groups around the state. He told me that the problem is that ERW continually fucks people over because they're only really concerned with where the money is coming from, though they put up a front that they want to help the community. As an effect, he said that he'd have people from these different community groups calling him all the time cussing him out because ERW would last minute decide that plans with a certain group weren't profitable, and would just get the order to ditch out on them. He said that it felt like 80% of the groups they would work with would be so angry at them, because they were really only worried about the most profitable 20%: the big donaters.

He also said that he felt bad for the people that worked there because they're massively overworked and underpaid, working on average 60 hours a week, and more during big events. The bosses don't listen to the suggestions of any of the volunteers, but give orders to them based upon the wants of those with the dollars.

So basically I'm saying that our assessment of ERW as a top-down, conservative organization is pretty accurate, straight from the horse's mouth itself. Should we still work with them, yes. But should we be prepared for them to fuck us over if we can't bring them money? Yes. Let's just be as careful with them as possible. This is why I personally prefer a grassroots approach in which all of our opinions are valid and help shape the outward focus of the groups' activities. We're not tied down to donations, and they are. This is also why they're not prepared to "rock the boat", and why we have a very important role to play in building this movement."
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Posted by Corporate Activism: The best equality money can buy on May 11, 2009 at 1:38 PM · Report this
kim in portland 21
20,

You're going to travel to Washington from California? With the purpose of gathering signatures for a referendum, that has no impact on you personally, that seeks to strip people, who were not involved in your California experience, of equal rights their state government has granted?

Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 5, 2009 at 5:03 PM · Report this
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The comment refering to anyone supporting this referendum as a hater or bigot is a first class example of bigotry and hatred in the gay community. When you point the finger of bigotry, you have three more pointing back at YOU!
As a professional signature gatherer I worked the "Yes on 8" intiative denying the gay population the right to use the word marriage as a legal name for their unions.
As a professional I was hoping the gays would have a counter initiative. Instead they hurt their cause badly. Instead of behaving correctly as the Christens did, they reacted with hate and violence.
It was the most violent campaign I have worked on. Homosexuals routinely tried to stop voters from signing. Violating other people right of democracy did not bother gays. Homosexuals did not care about other peoples rights, only selfishly about their own. Several times I was physically assaulted, resulting me having to beat the hell out of 2 gay haters and having them arrested.
What really changed, was my atitiude towards the community. Previously, it was a love did not understand and as long as I was not affected and children not being harmed, it was simply not my business.
That all changed with Prop. 8.
Painting swatikas on churches. Disrupting church services. Intimidating people for their religious beliefs.
This is the stuff of Nazi's did to the Jews,The stuff of facism.There was a strong strain of homosexuality in the National Socialist movement
What next gassing Christens? Cristal Nacht?
. I see that same strain of vitriol and hate in the comments on this blog. My father fought racist, facsist Nazi's and so will I.
Gays have hurt thier cause. , it has galvanised people like me to defend democracy. In that light, I will bring my crew of professional signature gatherers in and I will guantee a minimum of 25,000 valid signatures to fight gay hate. See ya on the battlefield!
This is going to fun!
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Posted by MichaelDelving on May 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM · Report this
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we need to start thinking about a winning campaign

the best result of our anger, energy and vision for a better future - well - beat the crap out of them at the ballot box

I am going to register voters this weekend in my neighborhood - not going to wait for the downtown queers to tell everybody to send a check

that will come soon without fail
Posted by Old Rad on May 5, 2009 at 2:02 AM · Report this
this guy I know in Spokane 18
My favorite reason from the guy's website for running the referendum now was this one:

"4. Hate crimes laws were enacted within months of the passage of same-sex marriage in Canada. The federal "Hate Crimes Bill" passed the U.S. House on Thursday of this week. We may be running out of time to address this issue without fear of jail time. I believe it would be foolish to wait another 10 months to two years to run an initiative under the current circumstances."

Quick! Get your hate crimes in while they're still legal!
Posted by this guy I know in Spokane on May 4, 2009 at 7:26 PM · Report this
Queer Equality Revolution 17
Connect the Dots, America

1. Government ALLOWS its citizens to vote AGAINST a minority's due civil rights.

2. Without these rights, horrible suffering often happens, and why not? Everyone else seems to need these rights civil rights, so why NOT us?

more here:
http://gaytaxprotest.blogspot.com/2009/0…
Posted by Queer Equality Revolution http://gaytaxprotest.blogspot.com/ on May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM · Report this
very bad homo 16
Promoting hatred and bigotry - that's truly God's work.
Posted by very bad homo on May 4, 2009 at 5:10 PM · Report this
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#12

Sorry to deflate your gas bag - but - the persuasion to WIN is of real voters, not who signed what.

The populist nature of the referendum and the initiative in this State, enshrined pieces of our statehood, mean tons of people sign so it can go to the people.

You are toying with serious backlash stuff - there will be plenty of real villans to work against, not petition signers.

Decline to sign in King county is an option - and will force them to go to churches and eastern Washington, a harder task.

Posted by Hands Off My Equality on May 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM · Report this
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God I am tired of these bigots... They quote a book that was written by people DUMBER THAN US!!! Fucking Tribal bullshit...
Posted by IDREWACIRCLE on May 4, 2009 at 4:04 PM · Report this
Baconcat 13
Well, @12, I will gladly assist in entering photocopied names into Excel if it comes to that.
Posted by Baconcat on May 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM · Report this
The Gay Curmudgeon 12
@4 and @6

I looked into publishing names of petition signatories on the web ala KnowThyNeighbor.org about three years ago and Tom Lang from KTN was very helpful. There are some logistical challenges as Washington State checks only a small percentage of signatures against the electronic voter registration database (VRDB).

Unless the rules have changed, a public record request will get you an electronic copy of the checked sample, but the balance needs to be photocopied and provided on paper. These unchecked signatures would need to be entered into a database manually and resolved against the VRDB before they could be displayed on the map.

Massachusetts has it easier since they validate every signature at local election offices (no cheesy sampling for them) and roll them up electronically to the state level. A public record request gets you *all* the signatures in electronic format ready to import into a database and be geo-coded on the map.

I even went so far as to get a copy of the voter registration database to see how easy it would be to import the data into SQL and map it. The initiative failed and I didn’t need to pull the trigger.

There was a strange coda to this effort…

In September 2008 I got a phone call from someone who said they were and auditor from the Washington State government. They claimed to be doing a satisfaction survey and wanted to know what I was using the Washington State VRDB for. When I became suspicious and asked them to send me their request in writing, the caller became angry and threatening. He asked me if I still lived at my home address in Seattle and told me “Don’t worry, you’ll be seeing me in person” before hanging up abruptly.

I reported the incident to the Elections Division at the Washington Secretary of State’s office. A number of people who had also requested copies of the Washington State VRDB received similar threatening or harassing phone calls. It turns out just one person had asked for a list of people with the VRDB as part of a public information request. The requestor, Martin Leahy, is the President of “Shield of Green Incorporated” which sells an anti-junk mail subscription service. The pieces began falling into place.

The matter was referred to the Detective Russ Haake at Washington State Patrol. It seems that there was no way to tie the calls to the originating caller so it was impossible to know who the caller was. Occam’s Razor says that it was likely Leahy or one of his agents. In the course of the investigation Detective Haake had scheduled to meet with Leahy but at the last moment Leahy cancelled the meeting and the investigation was closed.

It makes me feel are warm and moist inside to suspect that a privacy advocate who is supposedly a stickler for the letter and spirit of the law has so little trouble ignoring them when it suits him.
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Posted by The Gay Curmudgeon http://www.thegaycurmudgeon.com on May 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM · Report this
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The ballot challenge serves two purposes. 1. Eats the clock. 2. You can get better wording.

Having faced numerous anti gay ballot efforts, the usual folks will file quickly with excellent attorneys on our side.

The point of interest is the signature drive and if, if, the bigots can get money to pay for the signatures.??

I fear post Calif. they can.

Stay informed and ready to help our side with work and tons of money.

By. Been There
Posted by Hands Off My Equality on May 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM · Report this
Baconcat 10
Sargon, you're the only one delusional enough to think nobody is taking this seriously. If you're going to be the gay Loveschild, I'm going to have to ask you to kindly take a step back. This once-a-loser-always-a-loser attitude is neither constructive nor helpful.

Unless you're driving down to Thurston County yourself to file the petition to have the ballot reviewed, you're in no place to accuse anyone of being asleep at the wheel.
Posted by Baconcat on May 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM · Report this
Our Lady Of Guadalupe 9
(spoken in Scottish brogue)

The Durt-tee Bast-tard!!!!
Posted by Our Lady Of Guadalupe on May 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 8
Wait, I thought this was the "gathering Storm" joke. Seems it's not a joke anymore is it folks? The Radical Religious Extremists are VERY serious about treating Gay Americans like garbage. It's time to start taking what they do seriously and not thinking everything they do is a joke. The "gathering storm" just might have you all wishing for sunny weather.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on May 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM · Report this
Baconcat 7
Assigned Number: 71
Filed: 05/04/2009

Sponsor
Mr. Lawrence Stickney
P.O. Box 501
Arlington, WA 98223
Phone: 360-631-1894

lstickney@valuesaction.orgReferendum

Subject
SB 5688

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So it's on like Donkey Kong. Is Lambda Legal and ERW going to head down to Thurston County to get this started tomorrow? Or is the Attorney General or a Legislator going to step in?

We need some guidance, here.
Posted by Baconcat on May 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM · Report this
Baconcat 6
I second getting "Know Thy Neighbor" involved.

I also support stickering/flyering the city and region to let people know what they are really signing.
Posted by Baconcat on May 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM · Report this
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Also, how can he file a referendum for a bill that hasn't been signed into law yet by the governor (or did I just miss that part and she has signed already?).
Posted by Justy on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM · Report this
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If true, then let's make sure all the bigots who sign the petition (available as part of the public record) have their names and addresses matched up with a handy-dandy google map, similar to the "Know Thy Neighbor" effort in other states. We should know who we are fighting and they shouldn't be able to hide behind their bigotry.
Posted by Justy on May 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM · Report this
Renton Mike 3
Too bad there's no counter petition I could sign to keep it off the ballot. On second thought, as stupid and evil as people seem to be, that might not help at all.
Posted by Renton Mike on May 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 2
Sometimes I wonder if these anti-gay marriage people even know what they're fighting for anymore.

They're just fighting because they have nothing else to do.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on May 4, 2009 at 12:40 PM · Report this
CodyBolt 1
Bring it! *makes hand gesture ala the matrix*
Posted by CodyBolt on May 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM · Report this

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