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News & ArtsTuesday, April 21, 2009
City Kids Don't Need Hospitals Anyway
Posted by Dominic Holden on Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM
The Laurelhurst Community Club’s crusade to stunt the expansion of Seattle Children’s Hospital has gained more legal footing and will delay the hospital’s plans. By agreeing with two portions of an appeal filed by the group, a city hearing examiner yesterday reversed a recommendation by the city to allow the hospital to grow.
“We are really pleased,” says Jeannie Hale, president of the Laurelhurst Community Club (LCC). Hale believes that the hospital has overestimated its need to expand and that a larger hospital would adversely impact nearby neighborhoods. “How often can a little community group like ours make such progress against such formidable forces as Children’s Hospital and the city?”
The hospital foresees an influx of sick kids over the next 20 years that will require 350 new hospital beds. The city's Department of Planning and Development approved the plans last fall, and the Laurelhurst Community Club (LCC) appealed an environmental impact statement in December. The group’s move to challenge the hospital growth caused an outcry among neighborhood residents (the LCC claimed to represent every neighborhood resident in its appeal). The group spent $34,900, taken largely from membership dues, on legal fees fighting the hospital.
The LCC threw out a veritable kitchen sink of complaints about DPD's decision that an environmental impact statement was adequate, including: failing to account for demolished housing, understating the size of the new buildings, failing to recognize the aesthetic character of the surrounding neighborhoods, not recognizing existing zoning rules, and underestimating the impacts on traffic.
Indeed, City Hearing Examiner Sue Tanner found the final environmental impact statement didn’t contain enough analysis about demolishing 136 units in the Laurelon Terrace housing development. She also wrote that the city provided “virtually no analysis” of the relationship between Children’s Hospital and surrounding zoning rules.
DPD must now rewrite portions of its analysis on the hospital-expansion plan. “We don't know how long it will be before the revised recommendation can go back to the Hearing Examiner,” says DPD spokesman Bryan Stevens. “We may also need to provide additional public notice.”
Hale hopes the decision may restrict the hospital's growth. She speculates that Children's may "need to change the project so that it meets the hospital’s needs and also the concerns of the community.”
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this is like some really bad joke about rich white people, except only the sick children are laughing.
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Could've sworn they already did that.
She speculates that Children's may "need to change the project so that it meets the hospital’s needs and also the concerns of the community.”
Could've sworn they already did that.
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Just about no one wins land use appeals in front of the Hearing Examiner.
Notwithstanding the Stranger's editorial view on this, LCC must have had some substantive points.
Notwithstanding the Stranger's editorial view on this, LCC must have had some substantive points.
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LCC has nothing but a whiny lying cunt as their "leader"
no one i know in laurelhurst agrees with their position.
she makes susie burke look human.
no one i know in laurelhurst agrees with their position.
she makes susie burke look human.
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Hope all those rich white kids don't get sick. That'd be a real shame if they died waiting in line for treatment. I know I'd be real torn up about it.
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Why, oh why are these self-appointed "community groups" given any credence at all? How many people belong to the LCC? I'll bet it's just the one.
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besides the questionable mental state of the woman leading the charge, why is it just a given that whatever Children's wants to do is good? If they wanted to tear down Canterbury and the Comet, would you all be child-hating hipsters because you protested? Way to look at everything in black and white, guys.
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The area around the hospital is filled with huge houses and astronomical property values. God forbid there be any infringement on the neighbors. Of course children’s hospital provides millions of dollars in free care every year to children from the region.
Why does LCC hate children?
Why does LCC hate children?
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Children's is a terrible hospital.
It's a backwater full of rejects from academia with no aptitude for clinical work. It has all the arrogance and dysfunction you'd expect from a monopoly (it's the only game in town for children's care). You'd be better off taking your kid to a vet.
Land use questions aside, the last thing we should do is make Children's bigger.
It's a backwater full of rejects from academia with no aptitude for clinical work. It has all the arrogance and dysfunction you'd expect from a monopoly (it's the only game in town for children's care). You'd be better off taking your kid to a vet.
Land use questions aside, the last thing we should do is make Children's bigger.
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@14, you've obviously never had a desperately ill child who needed hospital services. They could tear down MY house if they needed to; I would move. And what exactly do you think is wrong about their plans, or are you just mouthing off for the hell of an argument? As per your handle . . .
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@13: When the zoo wanted to build a parking lot in your neighborhood, you sang quite a different tune.
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@17, I'm mostly just frustrated by the lack of thoughtful analysis that goes into the majority of comments on this topic. sure, if Children's needed your house, you'd give it up, but only if you agreed that their need outweighed your housing. Need is an elastic concept.
For example, if they needed your house because building a new wing would cost $100,000 more, would you let them go through with it? What if they needed your house because they wanted to give the children a nice view, and your house had it?
Just crying 'it's for the children' and demonizing the people who inhabit an entire neighborhood is just lazy. Maybe Children's really needs 350 new beds and they really need them on the Laurelhurst campus - but you can't fault someone for asking questions and fighting for their interests, if they believe that the expansion isn't going to cause as much benefit as it costs.
Now, pouring $10ks of other people's money into a personal pet project, that's pretty bitchy and petty. But I seriously doubt the city's gonna let her have her way if her appeal doesn't have any merit.
For example, if they needed your house because building a new wing would cost $100,000 more, would you let them go through with it? What if they needed your house because they wanted to give the children a nice view, and your house had it?
Just crying 'it's for the children' and demonizing the people who inhabit an entire neighborhood is just lazy. Maybe Children's really needs 350 new beds and they really need them on the Laurelhurst campus - but you can't fault someone for asking questions and fighting for their interests, if they believe that the expansion isn't going to cause as much benefit as it costs.
Now, pouring $10ks of other people's money into a personal pet project, that's pretty bitchy and petty. But I seriously doubt the city's gonna let her have her way if her appeal doesn't have any merit.
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@16: Inside info, yours today for free.
You can find parent/patient forums on the internets detailing their incompetencies and BS.
Not all departments are bad. But honestly, if my kid had a serious health issue, I would go to Mary Bridge in Tacoma or else take up temporary residence in another city with a quality hospital (Lucile Packard, Mayo, etc.).
You can find parent/patient forums on the internets detailing their incompetencies and BS.
Not all departments are bad. But honestly, if my kid had a serious health issue, I would go to Mary Bridge in Tacoma or else take up temporary residence in another city with a quality hospital (Lucile Packard, Mayo, etc.).
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Gee, Seandr, if only I'd known that they were going to put sick children in that parking lot, I would have changed my mind! I was under the ridiculous impression they were planning on filling it with cars. Silly me! Upon reflection, I can see that you're absolutely right, and the two situations are identical in every way.
If they were planning on building a children's hospital in my neighborhood, I'd probably support it. They're not, though.
If they were planning on building a children's hospital in my neighborhood, I'd probably support it. They're not, though.
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@20, which people? Why does one self-appointed group all of a sudden represent the entire neighborhood? The vast majority of Laurelhurst residents have never stated an opinion either way. Why don't they count? Who appointed or elected the LCC?
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fnarf, give these sick kids and inch, and they'll start vandalizing your house and slashing the tires on your car. best to hang a Children's hospital from one of the dinosaurs down at the port to avoid situations like that.
Also, better prevention of disease transmission.
Also, better prevention of disease transmission.
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@22: Those rankings are as meaningful as the "Seattle's best doctors" issue that Seattle Magazine publishes each year.
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@25, these are questions you should have answers to if you're going to state an opinion. otherwise, you've proven nothing.
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@28, no, that's not the way it works. If you want to make an assertion -- "the neighborhood opposes this" -- YOU have to show some evidence that you really do represent the neighborhood. ALL of the neighborhood.
I'm not the one trying to prove anything; you are. Logic 101, for chrissake.
If I claim that the Canadian government is sending underground probes in the back teeth of moles to listen to my telephone conversations, you don't have to prove I'm wrong. I have to prove I'm right. The same applies to the LCC.
And there is a long-standing tradition in this city of self-appointed "neighborhood groups" claiming to represent their neighbors when in fact they very much do not. So the burden of proof intensifies.
I'm not the one trying to prove anything; you are. Logic 101, for chrissake.
If I claim that the Canadian government is sending underground probes in the back teeth of moles to listen to my telephone conversations, you don't have to prove I'm wrong. I have to prove I'm right. The same applies to the LCC.
And there is a long-standing tradition in this city of self-appointed "neighborhood groups" claiming to represent their neighbors when in fact they very much do not. So the burden of proof intensifies.
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I think it's funny that Children's is where it is in the first place - it moved there long after Laurelhurst was founded (the hospital moved there in the early 50's after many years on Queen Anne), and I suspect it is there because the wealthy ladies of Laurelhurst didn't want to have to go too far to do their good works.
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The rich, white NIMBYs in my neighborhood came by with flyers a couple years ago trying to drum up support to prevent expansion and improvements of a local K-6 school. Their primary concern seemed to be "traffic and parking impacts."
There really is no limit to the sense of entitlement of the rich, white and clueless.
There really is no limit to the sense of entitlement of the rich, white and clueless.
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@24: It's noble that you'd give up half the value of your house to save the sick children. Because, you know, if Children's doesn't build the hospital in exactly the location they want with their exact specifications, children will die. By the thousands. In ambulances lined up outside the ER, waiting in vain for just one bed to open. Murdered by our callous obsession with not losing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Murdered!
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Is the LCC the same group that lobbied to keep the Children's helicoptors land on the field a couple miles away, as opposed to being allowed to build a helipad?
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@34 Wow, that's not even close to Childrens hospital and she wouldn't be affected in the slightest. She lives near the water. It's about as far from Broadway to the waterfront as it is from her house to Childrens.
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@36, but geez, have you SEEN the traffic around U Village? How is this poor woman supposed to get to her spa appointments?
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Children's Hospital could move some of it's service off-site. Outpatient clinics and labs, day surgery etc..
The huge sprawl that they have proposed is not a necessity.
My guess is that there's a bit of ego and hubris involved.
And...by the way...I don't live anywhere near the hospital and of my children's lives was saved by the experts at Children's. So, a bit of a "users" perspective, for what it's worth.
The huge sprawl that they have proposed is not a necessity.
My guess is that there's a bit of ego and hubris involved.
And...by the way...I don't live anywhere near the hospital and of my children's lives was saved by the experts at Children's. So, a bit of a "users" perspective, for what it's worth.
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@16..seandr... Whoa! I just read your comment above. That's a bit harsh don't you think?
Again, as I mentioned above, my kid's life was saved and we have spent MANY days at Children's. We're also very familiar with Mary Bridge in Tacoma, Good Sam in Puyallup, Swedish, TG, St. Joe's etc...etc...
The comment you make about the "arrogance and dysfunction of a monolopy" is VERY TRUE. However, the comments about "rejects from academia" and "you'd be better off taking your kid to a vet". Surely you agree those are exagerations?
Again, as I mentioned above, my kid's life was saved and we have spent MANY days at Children's. We're also very familiar with Mary Bridge in Tacoma, Good Sam in Puyallup, Swedish, TG, St. Joe's etc...etc...
The comment you make about the "arrogance and dysfunction of a monolopy" is VERY TRUE. However, the comments about "rejects from academia" and "you'd be better off taking your kid to a vet". Surely you agree those are exagerations?
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I think the community council or ANY individual has evry right to challenge the process.
The hospital has amended their palns several times, and now must make some other changes. It does not mean they will not expand.
All the sucky stuff about ill children is almost over the top. There is an oderly process to object to changes in zoning, force impact statements, and on down a long, long list.
Not even hospitals are exempt from the process.
I have no little children, but, have never heard any downside gossip about Childrens.
Ms. Hale seems determined, in a dog fight I think she might be good protecting your back.
By the way, there are hundreds of these community groups in EVERY city, and they flourish in Seattle. Some of the posters here are not at all activist in city affairs.
I like community voices, mostly the city is run by insiders, often highly paid and motivated by money.
By the way, remember vets are very trained, use many of the same techniques and medicines... in a pinch, a vet would be fine.
The hospital has amended their palns several times, and now must make some other changes. It does not mean they will not expand.
All the sucky stuff about ill children is almost over the top. There is an oderly process to object to changes in zoning, force impact statements, and on down a long, long list.
Not even hospitals are exempt from the process.
I have no little children, but, have never heard any downside gossip about Childrens.
Ms. Hale seems determined, in a dog fight I think she might be good protecting your back.
By the way, there are hundreds of these community groups in EVERY city, and they flourish in Seattle. Some of the posters here are not at all activist in city affairs.
I like community voices, mostly the city is run by insiders, often highly paid and motivated by money.
By the way, remember vets are very trained, use many of the same techniques and medicines... in a pinch, a vet would be fine.
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People came to Seattle to live in the one city that had affordable, small, middle class houses in nice neighborhoods of single family units.
The "improvements" of City Planner, moguls, bureaucrats and other elites was to tear all that down, build concrete habitrails and malls, clog up the streets and drive up the prices.
Now...why would anyone live in such a place?
The "improvements" of City Planner, moguls, bureaucrats and other elites was to tear all that down, build concrete habitrails and malls, clog up the streets and drive up the prices.
Now...why would anyone live in such a place?
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@34, wow those are some nice digs Jeannie has (Thank you Google street view!). And 36 is right. Based on Google maps she probably uses 45th to leave her precious neighborhood (God forbid, of course, that she actually have to venture out of Laurelhurst into Barbarian Greater Seattle). Now she *could* take 41st to Mary Gates Way, which lets out near University Village, allowing her to bypass Children's entirely. But that would probably be a major inconvenience for her. Poor thing. Having to maybe go a little out of her way because of those horrid, evil sick children.
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#43
Hey dog breath - her late hubby was a partner in Perkins Coie - good income = nice home.
The city is filled with such cause and effect. Make good money = buy nice home.
Stupid, snide and silly.
Hey dog breath - her late hubby was a partner in Perkins Coie - good income = nice home.
The city is filled with such cause and effect. Make good money = buy nice home.
Stupid, snide and silly.
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You left out a step, Larry dear. It's: Make good money = buy nice home = expect the city to be your private gated community.
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What a load of cynical crap.
First, posting Jeannie Hale's phone and personal address as an inducement to this hate-mongering is a pretty blatant abuse of SLOG.
Second, we have laws and growth regulations. No kid is about to lose care -- by law hospital need to make a case for the need for expansion. Why? Because government wants people to die? No, dummie. Hospitals, including, childrens save lives but they are also big business -- if you doubt that, check how childrens responding to pediatric wings proposed for the east side and expansion of mary bridge in tacoma. Was childrens trying to deny care for kids? No, they were protecting their dominant business position.
So, please, get some perspective.
Just because people are white or wealthy does not deny them the same rights to "mitigate" growth -- the same sort of stuff your publication champions on Capitol Hill and lower income areas of Seattle.
And finally, Childrens happens to have an army of rich white PR consultants who clearly are drafting the coverage of this topic to Dominic-beholden.
Pathetic.
First, posting Jeannie Hale's phone and personal address as an inducement to this hate-mongering is a pretty blatant abuse of SLOG.
Second, we have laws and growth regulations. No kid is about to lose care -- by law hospital need to make a case for the need for expansion. Why? Because government wants people to die? No, dummie. Hospitals, including, childrens save lives but they are also big business -- if you doubt that, check how childrens responding to pediatric wings proposed for the east side and expansion of mary bridge in tacoma. Was childrens trying to deny care for kids? No, they were protecting their dominant business position.
So, please, get some perspective.
Just because people are white or wealthy does not deny them the same rights to "mitigate" growth -- the same sort of stuff your publication champions on Capitol Hill and lower income areas of Seattle.
And finally, Childrens happens to have an army of rich white PR consultants who clearly are drafting the coverage of this topic to Dominic-beholden.
Pathetic.
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Eh, there's no shortage of children. And if someone's going to die, best that it be sick children:
"It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth more than a living severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down at his prime. And the most imperfect, well in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all. "
"It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth more than a living severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down at his prime. And the most imperfect, well in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all. "
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The notion that somehow kids are going to die if Children's doesn't get its way *right this moment* is ridiculous. Making that claim only makes you look as ridiculous as Jeannie Hale.
I guess only the crappy neighborhoods are allowed to work the system, is that it?
I mostly just wish Children's would spend more of their dollars on working things out with these folks instgead of a new logo and fancy new TV campaign.
I guess only the crappy neighborhoods are allowed to work the system, is that it?
I mostly just wish Children's would spend more of their dollars on working things out with these folks instgead of a new logo and fancy new TV campaign.
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I'm cool with any neighborhood group doing anything they want to when it comes to working the land use system. Behemoths are in every neighborhood, and well meaning or no, the devil is always in the details. Assuming an enormous corporation, even a non-profit one, will do the right thing even though their plans on file don't force them to - that's a sucker bet to any community, not just ones like this where lucky people happen to live.
Children's flat out saved my life once, and if I was a Trustee I'd be pissed as hell that nobody on their team of advisors birddogged the plans well enough to pass muster with the hearing examiner. How much donor money went into those plans, and who are their lawyers that advised them to fight to the examiner rather than just fix the glaring holes Tanner found? The trustees should make the planning team and lawyers prepare the revisions and shepherd them through on their own fucking dime.
Children's flat out saved my life once, and if I was a Trustee I'd be pissed as hell that nobody on their team of advisors birddogged the plans well enough to pass muster with the hearing examiner. How much donor money went into those plans, and who are their lawyers that advised them to fight to the examiner rather than just fix the glaring holes Tanner found? The trustees should make the planning team and lawyers prepare the revisions and shepherd them through on their own fucking dime.
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Ironically enough, I-75 would most likely never have gotten past the starting gate - let alone been adopted by popular vote - without the support of the League of Women Voters.
Dominic - would you be so kind as to enlighten your readers as to who did all of the heavy lifting to make that extremely thoughtful, progressive, and VERY politically risky LWV endorsement happen?
Dominic - would you be so kind as to enlighten your readers as to who did all of the heavy lifting to make that extremely thoughtful, progressive, and VERY politically risky LWV endorsement happen?
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I have a hard time believing that the many who are trolling and mucking up this Slog post are typical Stranger readers.
Is Jeanne or one of her oh-so-bright spawn getting Google alerts on her name, then calling upon her cronies to troll here?
To the NIMBYs: As much as you'd like Laurelhurst to be a precious enclave, it is part of the CITY of Seattle. Grow the fuck up and share the burden of living among services, like the rest of us.
Is Jeanne or one of her oh-so-bright spawn getting Google alerts on her name, then calling upon her cronies to troll here?
To the NIMBYs: As much as you'd like Laurelhurst to be a precious enclave, it is part of the CITY of Seattle. Grow the fuck up and share the burden of living among services, like the rest of us.
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@44/Larry:
I live in a $1.5 million house overlooking the Arboretum. Very soon the city is going to construct an overflow pond right near my home so that Madison Valley doesn't flood. There is also a large active playing field for soccer and baseball, and people routinely play until late evening, which causes a lot of noise.
I make good money, I bought a nice house. That doesn't give me the right to control every little thing that goes on in my neighborhood. We live in a city. I have my little piece of land with my house. I do as a I please there. Beyond that is a city full of people with needs other than mine - not being killed in flood, playing soccer, playing baseball. In Jeannie's neighborhood there are people that need to access a hospital.
Buying a house doesn't mean you get to control the entire fucking neighborhood, dog breath.
I live in a $1.5 million house overlooking the Arboretum. Very soon the city is going to construct an overflow pond right near my home so that Madison Valley doesn't flood. There is also a large active playing field for soccer and baseball, and people routinely play until late evening, which causes a lot of noise.
I make good money, I bought a nice house. That doesn't give me the right to control every little thing that goes on in my neighborhood. We live in a city. I have my little piece of land with my house. I do as a I please there. Beyond that is a city full of people with needs other than mine - not being killed in flood, playing soccer, playing baseball. In Jeannie's neighborhood there are people that need to access a hospital.
Buying a house doesn't mean you get to control the entire fucking neighborhood, dog breath.
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Every time I read SLOG comments, I'm more and more convinced that a dictatorship is a better system of government then previously admitted. Both sides are shrill, stupid and hate-mongering.
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#52
well, well, isn't all that sweet.
I never said cause you own a nice house you control the neighborhood. I commented that people who make good money in this city have been buying nice homes in many nice home hoods for generations, no big deal.
And, just cause they have a nice home, like you, they are not regressive and self centered and demonic.
But, they have every right to challenge within the system major changes, zoning, and on down the list. And, thousands do just that every year.
This hospital and its long range plans are a sacred cow to some.
I think they need to get smarter and work with people who have objections.
I don't presently have a dog, and my breath is a kin to the smell of plum blosoms, so I have bee told.
Cheers, off to work so I can buy a big house in an expensive hood.
Larry
well, well, isn't all that sweet.
I never said cause you own a nice house you control the neighborhood. I commented that people who make good money in this city have been buying nice homes in many nice home hoods for generations, no big deal.
And, just cause they have a nice home, like you, they are not regressive and self centered and demonic.
But, they have every right to challenge within the system major changes, zoning, and on down the list. And, thousands do just that every year.
This hospital and its long range plans are a sacred cow to some.
I think they need to get smarter and work with people who have objections.
I don't presently have a dog, and my breath is a kin to the smell of plum blosoms, so I have bee told.
Cheers, off to work so I can buy a big house in an expensive hood.
Larry
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Children's Hospital has been in this location since 1953. I'm safe in betting that the vast majority of Laurelhurst residents bought their homes there AFTER the hospital was established. If they didn't want to live next to a hospital, they had plenty of other neighborhoods in which to buy.
On a related point, didn't I read recently that the Laurelhurst Community Club was forced to admit that they in fact "represented" only a small minority of that community; that their membership rolls were actually small in number compared to the community as a whole.
On a related point, didn't I read recently that the Laurelhurst Community Club was forced to admit that they in fact "represented" only a small minority of that community; that their membership rolls were actually small in number compared to the community as a whole.
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Utilizing the content of the Slog to shape a worldview is either evidence of isolation or of foolishness, especially for the stated purpose of rationalizing a preference for dictatorships over a democratic republic.
The fixed duality of your perspective misses so much of the expanse.
The fixed duality of your perspective misses so much of the expanse.
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@53
Utilizing the content of the Slog to shape a worldview is either evidence of isolation or of foolishness, especially for the stated purpose of rationalizing a preference for dictatorships over a democratic republic.
The fixed duality of your perspective misses so much of the expanse.
Utilizing the content of the Slog to shape a worldview is either evidence of isolation or of foolishness, especially for the stated purpose of rationalizing a preference for dictatorships over a democratic republic.
The fixed duality of your perspective misses so much of the expanse.
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And people are like @42 are why people make assertions that Seattle doesn't really want to be a city on other threads on this site.
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Just wanted to point out this is the same group, with Hale as leader, that wanted to stop Children's from adding a helicopter pad because they were concerned the hospital might "noisily ferry in supplies and doctors anytime it wanted".
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@53: I have recently had similar thoughts -- I want to figure out how to reinstitute a system of Philosopher Kings.
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#59 - Very old news - Years ago - and no reports that the current system does not work.
Have you ever been really close to a commercial copter - if so - you would understand the concern.
Have you ever been really close to a commercial copter - if so - you would understand the concern.
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@61 - You are kidding right? You think that the kiddos in the helicopter are riding over for fun? ANY kid in the helicopter needs critical care, adding extra time to their trip as to not 'bother' the neighbors is just insane. If it was my child who needed to land there and was unable to - I would have something to say to the 'neighbors'. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. How many times a month does this 'disruption' occur anyway? It's not like there would be helicopters landing every 5 minutes. I think I could stand a little extra noise if I knew that it meant a child might get to the hospital as quickly as they needed to.
Stop your bitching and moaning and let Children's grow as it needs to so they can take care of the kids who need them. I'm not sure HOW anyone thinks that there is something wrong with this. I am pretty sure (after reading the hearing examiner findings) that she did NOT disagree to need, height, bulk, scale ro transportation. Did Jeannie fail to mention that she did NOT win that portion of her appeal? She can stop her victory dance now.
Stop your bitching and moaning and let Children's grow as it needs to so they can take care of the kids who need them. I'm not sure HOW anyone thinks that there is something wrong with this. I am pretty sure (after reading the hearing examiner findings) that she did NOT disagree to need, height, bulk, scale ro transportation. Did Jeannie fail to mention that she did NOT win that portion of her appeal? She can stop her victory dance now.
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This way of "educating" yourselves on issues is positively medieval. "I suspect..." "Isn't that the one that..." Dominic is hosting his own Salem witch trials. The LCC went after the city for doing a lame job on the environmental impact statement for a gi-normous plan in their neighborhood and, even in this rubber-stamping political culture, the hearing examiner found parts of it so bad she actually sent it back to DPD and told them to fix it. Man, that NEVER happens around here. Take a clue, the report was seriously flawed and the citizens of this city deserve better work done by DPD. EIS reports are supposed to be done by a neutral party (DPD) and actually include analysis on some very specific points, not just advocate for the project, no matter what it is. Major institutions are in all sorts of odd places in this city. They get lots of leeway to be big and dense but in return they have to live by certain rules. DPD is supposed to be holding them to these rules but, oops... it appears they can't remember them now that it comes to their pet institution. Or maybe they just can't remember them at all.
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As a hospital employee, I can very confidently say that the expansion is necessary (last winter when we were at full capacity, we had to put three kids in sugery rooms until room opened up for them). Wait lists are getting longer and longer.
Our CEO and management are constantly working with the community and with planners to reduce the possible impact of expansion. For example, instead of building up, and ruining the neighborhood's skyline...the hospital paid 2.5 times what the neighboring condos were worth so that it could build laterally instead. The hospital has worked with local transportation to increase bus routes and offer incentives to employees for not driving to work. And there is constant talk about respecting and working with the local community before even working to meet the huge need of care for sick children.
I think that certain standards are necessary with any large expansion that will impact the community and the environment. However, it would be nice if due credit were given to the Children's Administration who have worked so hard to do this the "right" way.
Our CEO and management are constantly working with the community and with planners to reduce the possible impact of expansion. For example, instead of building up, and ruining the neighborhood's skyline...the hospital paid 2.5 times what the neighboring condos were worth so that it could build laterally instead. The hospital has worked with local transportation to increase bus routes and offer incentives to employees for not driving to work. And there is constant talk about respecting and working with the local community before even working to meet the huge need of care for sick children.
I think that certain standards are necessary with any large expansion that will impact the community and the environment. However, it would be nice if due credit were given to the Children's Administration who have worked so hard to do this the "right" way.
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ATTENTION LAURELHURST RESIDENTS: YOU HAD BETTER REIGN-IN THOSE FREAKS IN YOUR FUCKING "COMMMUNITY CLUB" OR THE REST OF SEATTLE IS GOING TO SEE TO IT THAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GETS FUCKING PAVED WITH SHIT THAT WE DON'T WANT.
JAIL. SEX-OFFENDER HOUSING. HOMELESS SHELTER. WASTE TRANSFER STATION.
BRING IT ON SEATTLE. RUN THOSE NIMBY BASTARDS INTO THE LAKE!
ATTENTION LAURELHURST RESIDENTS: YOU HAD BETTER REIGN-IN THOSE FREAKS IN YOUR FUCKING "COMMMUNITY CLUB" OR THE REST OF SEATTLE IS GOING TO SEE TO IT THAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GETS FUCKING PAVED WITH SHIT THAT WE DON'T WANT.
JAIL. SEX-OFFENDER HOUSING. HOMELESS SHELTER. WASTE TRANSFER STATION.
BRING IT ON SEATTLE. RUN THOSE NIMBY BASTARDS INTO THE LAKE!
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The Trustees of LCC are people who have chosen to engage in a public process, in an official capacity.
It's time the people of Seattle began to use the power of the purse. Quite simply: Don't support people who don't support your interests!
Some of them are attorneys (Lane Powell), one of them is a Windermere Real Estate agent. One is a Boeing SPEEA representative. One of them is behind Voyager Capital.
Call them and register your complaint. Boycott their businesses. Encourage your friends and businesses to stop doing business with these people. Refuse to use Peter Eglick's legal services.
This is democracy in action people!
http://www.laurelhurstcc.com/LCC/LCCBoar…
Elections to LCC are coming-up in the next month.
Trustees should be held accountable for their provincial approach to the rest of Seattle.
Fight back!
It's time the people of Seattle began to use the power of the purse. Quite simply: Don't support people who don't support your interests!
Some of them are attorneys (Lane Powell), one of them is a Windermere Real Estate agent. One is a Boeing SPEEA representative. One of them is behind Voyager Capital.
Call them and register your complaint. Boycott their businesses. Encourage your friends and businesses to stop doing business with these people. Refuse to use Peter Eglick's legal services.
This is democracy in action people!
http://www.laurelhurstcc.com/LCC/LCCBoar…
Elections to LCC are coming-up in the next month.
Trustees should be held accountable for their provincial approach to the rest of Seattle.
Fight back!
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Disagree with someone?
Print their home name.
Call for violence.
List people and call for boycotts so their volunteerism, judged wrong, is punished by hurting their income.
The pack of weasels who inhabit this blog, led by Dan Savage and is "Credulous Hack" crusades, is just a sad reflection on a city that could use a bit more civil debate, respect for the other side, tolerance and a sense of humor. Personally, I would let the kids of both sides in this debate work it out. And let the jackass commenters go back to their laptops. Dominic, in about a year, you'll be with Josh Feit, scratching out a living.
Print their home name.
Call for violence.
List people and call for boycotts so their volunteerism, judged wrong, is punished by hurting their income.
The pack of weasels who inhabit this blog, led by Dan Savage and is "Credulous Hack" crusades, is just a sad reflection on a city that could use a bit more civil debate, respect for the other side, tolerance and a sense of humor. Personally, I would let the kids of both sides in this debate work it out. And let the jackass commenters go back to their laptops. Dominic, in about a year, you'll be with Josh Feit, scratching out a living.
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Hey, if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen!
The perpetrators of this crime against decency, public goodwill and participatory civic process (Hale and LCC Trustees) aren't gonna' get a hall pass to do what they want, without question.
Guess what: There are going to be public consequences, to public action in a public matter. If they don't like it? Quit!
In fact, there was a very healthy, civil debate (but Jeannie persisted in suing), and there is plenty of respect for the other side (as evidenced by 7 plan revisions after 25 public hearings).
Seattle's patience with Jeannie Hale is done. Finished. Bury them.
Hey, if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen!
The perpetrators of this crime against decency, public goodwill and participatory civic process (Hale and LCC Trustees) aren't gonna' get a hall pass to do what they want, without question.
Guess what: There are going to be public consequences, to public action in a public matter. If they don't like it? Quit!
In fact, there was a very healthy, civil debate (but Jeannie persisted in suing), and there is plenty of respect for the other side (as evidenced by 7 plan revisions after 25 public hearings).
Seattle's patience with Jeannie Hale is done. Finished. Bury them.
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