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News & ArtsMonday, April 20, 2009
News "Report: Iraqi Militia Killing Gay Men with Painful Anal Glue Torture"
Posted by David Schmader on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:26 PM
The story, like the headline, comes from Towleroad, which quotes an International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission translation of a story reported by the UAE-based media network Alarabiya:
"A prominent Iraqi human rights activist says that Iraqi militia have deployed a painful form of torture against homosexuals by closing their anuses using 'Iranian gum.' ... Yina Mohammad told Alarabiya.net that, 'Iraqi militias have deployed an unprecedented form of torture against homosexuals by using a very strong glue that will close their anus.' According to her, the new substance 'is known as the American hum, which is an Iranian-manufactured glue that if applied to the skin, sticks to it and can only be removed by surgery. After they glue the anuses of homosexuals, they give them a drink that causes diarrhea. Since the anus is closed, the diarrhea causes death. Videos of this form of torture are being distributed on mobile cellphones in Iraq.' According to this human rights activist, for the past 3 weeks a crackdown on homosexuals has been going on based on a religious decree that demands their death; dozens have been targeted. She says that the persecution of homosexuals is not confined to the Shiite clerics. Some Sunni leaders have also declared the death penalty for sodomy on satellite channels."
Glad we devoted so many American dollars and lives to cleaning that place up.
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You do realize they may well have laws saying being gay is illegal therefore they could have the same legal basis as Bush/Obama have ? That is, with laws or memos saying torture is okay, it's suddenly okay?
If your own alt media paper doesn't loudly fucking condemn Obama for protecting Geo. Bush from prosecution, then you got no moral high ground to complain about any other torture.
If your own alt media paper doesn't loudly fucking condemn Obama for protecting Geo. Bush from prosecution, then you got no moral high ground to complain about any other torture.
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Which is worse: This torture, or a desire to turn most of the Middle East into glass?
Anyway... there needs to be some way to help get gay people out of Iraq (and women out of Afghanistan).
Anyway... there needs to be some way to help get gay people out of Iraq (and women out of Afghanistan).
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Bet Savage is pretty proud of his early and vocal support of this illegal war.
And PC is exactly correct.
And PC is exactly correct.
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Yep, no morality without religion.
@1, 2: Yeah, the lack of a joint editorial statement from the staff of an alt weekly in a second-tier American city is the only thing standing between Cheney and a war crimes tribunal. Seriously: the "condemn it now or you're the enemy" logic sickened me when it came from the Bush White House, and it sickens me when it comes from people I agree with. Go fuck your self-righteous selves.
@1, 2: Yeah, the lack of a joint editorial statement from the staff of an alt weekly in a second-tier American city is the only thing standing between Cheney and a war crimes tribunal. Seriously: the "condemn it now or you're the enemy" logic sickened me when it came from the Bush White House, and it sickens me when it comes from people I agree with. Go fuck your self-righteous selves.
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Aaaand I'm waiting for Loveschild to state his/her wholehearted approval of both the death penalty for homosexuality and this method of carrying it out.
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Damn. Sometimes I wish that I could un-read things with Control Z. This would be one of those times...
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God damn, but the religious nuts are absolutely and completely obsessed - OBSESSED - with the cock and the anus. Religious nuts obsess on cocks more than gay men do.
Can a crazy religious nut please tell me, what is with you guys' fascination with cocks and asses?
Can a crazy religious nut please tell me, what is with you guys' fascination with cocks and asses?
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While I completely disagree, torturing people you think are terrorists or others who want to kill people, or people who know something about such individuals is a bit different from purposefully killing people, in very painful ways, simply because you think they are icky.
Both are wrong but one is worse.
Both are wrong but one is worse.
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While if true this is indeed morbid, the worst thing that can be done is to try to impose western ideas on the sovereign iraqi people, doing so can only serve to make matters worst. We should not (specially the US government) meddle in social iraqi affairs.
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@11 - Normally, I try to be more respectful of your bullshit views than I am about to be, if only because I know that harsh words are pointless. This time, however, I feel compelled to inform you that you are a stupid fucking cunt.
We've already imposed ourselves on Iraq. As such, it is our responsibility to make sure they have a society that functions well for all its citizens. Nobody's asking Islam to accept homosexuality, or even anything as far-fetched as gay marriage, but believing homosexuality is wrong and torturing gay people to death are two very, very different things. How dare you say the west has no right to step in on this human rights issue? This is not about culture. It's about people, you stupid fucking cunt.
If they were torturing Christians to death, would you tell us not to impose our values on Iraq then? I bet not, you stupid fucking cunt.
Also, I don't know if anyone in Iraq had actually read the Quran, but when I read it I saw a lot about forgiveness and repentance. Not so much about gluing people's anuses closed. Just sayin'.
...You stupid fucking cunt.
We've already imposed ourselves on Iraq. As such, it is our responsibility to make sure they have a society that functions well for all its citizens. Nobody's asking Islam to accept homosexuality, or even anything as far-fetched as gay marriage, but believing homosexuality is wrong and torturing gay people to death are two very, very different things. How dare you say the west has no right to step in on this human rights issue? This is not about culture. It's about people, you stupid fucking cunt.
If they were torturing Christians to death, would you tell us not to impose our values on Iraq then? I bet not, you stupid fucking cunt.
Also, I don't know if anyone in Iraq had actually read the Quran, but when I read it I saw a lot about forgiveness and repentance. Not so much about gluing people's anuses closed. Just sayin'.
...You stupid fucking cunt.
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Yep, this is fantastic news--thanks Dan, thanks Dom, for supporting the war early on and demeaning the Peace Movement. and in 8 years when we are still not out of there, thanks to all those dillusioned liberals who thought voting for Obama would make it all better. You people are silly.
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@13- You are only allowed to say everything is bullshit if you come up with a viable alternative to said everything.
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12 "We've already imposed ourselves on Iraq"
Precisely through an illegal war, we already did that and it just lead to the deaths of countless iraqis, thousands of american soldiers and waste of millions of dollars. Their culture and values are way older than ours and quite honestly it is arrogant of us or any other western power to impose ourselves and our culture on people who have been governing and forming societies for themselves for thousands of years before the concept of society even entered the minds of western people. When we try to do so or encourage other iraqis to adopt some sets of western ideas we will see this kind of thing happen. People like you could not care less about any morbid incidents like these because you seek for iraqis to start behaving and accepting the concept of gay lifestyle, something which is alien to that culture. Seeking to impose your notions of homosexuality will only be met with senseless bloodshed amongst the iraqi people.
Precisely through an illegal war, we already did that and it just lead to the deaths of countless iraqis, thousands of american soldiers and waste of millions of dollars. Their culture and values are way older than ours and quite honestly it is arrogant of us or any other western power to impose ourselves and our culture on people who have been governing and forming societies for themselves for thousands of years before the concept of society even entered the minds of western people. When we try to do so or encourage other iraqis to adopt some sets of western ideas we will see this kind of thing happen. People like you could not care less about any morbid incidents like these because you seek for iraqis to start behaving and accepting the concept of gay lifestyle, something which is alien to that culture. Seeking to impose your notions of homosexuality will only be met with senseless bloodshed amongst the iraqi people.
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There you go again Loveschild. You are such a homo hater that any report like this has to be rejected. "If true..." you begin your post. Just like that fag bashing in Oregon last month, you can't admit that it IS true because, gosh, people targeting gays for the sole reason that they're gay might mean they're victims! Which kinda puts you and your fellow anti gay peers in a bad light, doesn't it?
This is where all pretense drops, Loveschild. Admit you hate gays. Admit it, or come up with a reasonable explanation why you always reject that these stories are true - one that also explains why you buy stories of gay aggression toward anti gay marriage types at face value.
This is where all pretense drops, Loveschild. Admit you hate gays. Admit it, or come up with a reasonable explanation why you always reject that these stories are true - one that also explains why you buy stories of gay aggression toward anti gay marriage types at face value.
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Jocelyn--I'm not saying everything is bullshit, I'm just saying yeah this is a totally fucked up thing that is happening and we should do what we can do to stop it. I am primarily saying in the above post that Dan and Dom were pretty pro-Iraq invasion (dan has been quietly beating a drum on iran too here and there) and their recent mea culpas belie the fact that their opinions on foreign intervention lack the weight of education on the region as a whole. Yes they should read up (maybe even the Quran) on the people and processes that created much of the modern Middle East, and then maybe they'd be a little more hesitant to stump for policies of the most wealthy in this country send a bunch of the mostly poor Americans to die in the desert for the price of bullshit.
Sorry, I'm pretty bitter on these two and intend to keep reminding them of this legacy they've helped creat for the next generation.
Sorry, I'm pretty bitter on these two and intend to keep reminding them of this legacy they've helped creat for the next generation.
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Loveschild baby, I'm not down with the anal glue thing, but I wouldn't mind getting some diarrhea on with you. I remember how much you love a Cleveland Steamer and no one looks better with a Dirty Sanchez. Let's take it to the next level baby - meet you at the Greyhound station at 11, ok?
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16 Both you and Jocelyn are hypocrites of the highest order, what you are advocating is nothing short of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonial…
The US is not and cannot assume the role of world police if it wants to live in peace with the nations of this world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonial…
The US is not and cannot assume the role of world police if it wants to live in peace with the nations of this world.
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@15- Please do some research in world history. Thanks.
Also, I think organizations such as Amnesty International would disagree with you as to what, exactly, we westerners have a right to stick our noses in.
Also, homosexuality is not alien to any culture. Everybody knows gay happens. Get over it.
Also, you are a stupid fucking cunt.
@17- Sorry, I think I let my @Loveschild anger run off onto you. That bitch is a stupid fucking cunt.
Also, I think organizations such as Amnesty International would disagree with you as to what, exactly, we westerners have a right to stick our noses in.
Also, homosexuality is not alien to any culture. Everybody knows gay happens. Get over it.
Also, you are a stupid fucking cunt.
@17- Sorry, I think I let my @Loveschild anger run off onto you. That bitch is a stupid fucking cunt.
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"America is not Islam's enemy."
--B. Obama
Translation: Get your glue guns and go to it, me Iraqi Droogies.
"America is not Islam's enemy."
--B. Obama
Translation: Get your glue guns and go to it, me Iraqi Droogies.
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Loveschild,
As always you compassion leaves me speachless. May you reap back in equal portions the compassion you show to others.
As always you compassion leaves me speachless. May you reap back in equal portions the compassion you show to others.
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Oo, LC, Kim just burned you!
But I wasn't even talking about Iraq, LC. If you could just read for comprehension, you'd see that I was criticizing you for your denial of homo-bashing. It's a lot like Holocaust denial, isn't it? Your enemies just can't be victims, can they?
But I wasn't even talking about Iraq, LC. If you could just read for comprehension, you'd see that I was criticizing you for your denial of homo-bashing. It's a lot like Holocaust denial, isn't it? Your enemies just can't be victims, can they?
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Kim, well said. LC, you scare me. I have a feeling that, if asked to wield a tube of glue, you'd gladly step forward to do your duty.
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Anybody care to take odds on how quickly Loveschild, that stupid fucking cunt (I really like the sound of that!), will pull a 180 the second a news report comes out of Iraq of some similar atrocity committed against a het Xtian?
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22 Get off your high horse. No where did I say I agreed with what they're doing but I do believe that this has been in part caused by our intervention and meddling into Iraqi society. And that the worst thing we can do is pour more salt on the wound by trying to tell them how to handle their domestic policies.
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@28- Insult me, insult the gays, insult all of us, but back the fuck off Kim, you stupid fucking cunt.
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.... And LC has officially earned a new nickname.
You know, LC, Kim @ 22 was remarking on your lack of compassion. You don't have to endorse this torture in order for Kim to be right on; hell, even your words @ 28 are still less than compassionate.
I know that connecting these dots is hard for you, but try to READ WHAT'S WRITTEN, and respond based on that rather than what you imagine is written between the lines.
You know, LC, Kim @ 22 was remarking on your lack of compassion. You don't have to endorse this torture in order for Kim to be right on; hell, even your words @ 28 are still less than compassionate.
I know that connecting these dots is hard for you, but try to READ WHAT'S WRITTEN, and respond based on that rather than what you imagine is written between the lines.
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Loveschild has one tasty cunt. Tastes like sailors and chain-smoking bull dykes. They should bottle that shit. I'd buy it by the gallon.
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Here Loveschild,
A little history on Islamic culture and homosexuality. Apparently, they have a love/hate kind of relationship. Homoerotic art and poetry okay. Sodomy between husband and wife believed okay. Sodomy between men, not okay.
http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option…
A little history on Islamic culture and homosexuality. Apparently, they have a love/hate kind of relationship. Homoerotic art and poetry okay. Sodomy between husband and wife believed okay. Sodomy between men, not okay.
http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option…
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Jocelyn,
Thanks. We can disagree with Loveschild and not call her names. Insulting each other isn't going to further any discussion.
Thanks. We can disagree with Loveschild and not call her names. Insulting each other isn't going to further any discussion.
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I'm really confused. So, LC seems to contend that our neocolonial war is somehow responsible for a rise in antipathy toward gay people because of our secular culture and it's gay lifestyle, but we shouldn't do anything about it because imposing our standards any further on them is wrong and is only going to worsen their antipathy towards western secularism. Is that right?
So countries don't have to take responsibility for their mistakes? Hooray! We can completely evacuate Iraq of all military personnel now!
So countries don't have to take responsibility for their mistakes? Hooray! We can completely evacuate Iraq of all military personnel now!
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Wow! Not only do you distort Bible passages but now you're also trying to do the same with the Islamic world. Well here it is straight from from the source and not from the view point of a pair of western eyes trying to rewrite history based on their own biases:
"Islam considers homosexuality as a sexual deviation leading to a perverted act which goes against the natural order Allah intended for mankind. It is a corruption of the man's sexuality and a crime against the opposite sex. Therefore, the Islamic shari'ah strictly prohibits the practice of this perverted act. This is mentioned in many places in the holy Qur'an."
"Just as illicit sexual relations can occur between men, they can also occur between women. The Muslim fuqahaa’ call this sihaaq (lesbianism), which they define as sexual relations between one woman and another (al-Mufassal fi Ahkaam al-Mar’ah by Zaydaan, 5/450), and state that it is a punishable offence (the punishment is a form of discipline for disobedience; no specific punishment is given in the Qur’aan, so the punishment is to be set by the Qaadi according to the circumstances of the crime and the one who commits it). The lesbian’s testimony is unacceptable because she is a evildoer (al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 24/253"
http://islamedia.ws/The_Islamic_Ruling_o…
"Islam considers homosexuality as a sexual deviation leading to a perverted act which goes against the natural order Allah intended for mankind. It is a corruption of the man's sexuality and a crime against the opposite sex. Therefore, the Islamic shari'ah strictly prohibits the practice of this perverted act. This is mentioned in many places in the holy Qur'an."
"Just as illicit sexual relations can occur between men, they can also occur between women. The Muslim fuqahaa’ call this sihaaq (lesbianism), which they define as sexual relations between one woman and another (al-Mufassal fi Ahkaam al-Mar’ah by Zaydaan, 5/450), and state that it is a punishable offence (the punishment is a form of discipline for disobedience; no specific punishment is given in the Qur’aan, so the punishment is to be set by the Qaadi according to the circumstances of the crime and the one who commits it). The lesbian’s testimony is unacceptable because she is a evildoer (al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 24/253"
http://islamedia.ws/The_Islamic_Ruling_o…
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Kim-
I know, but as I'm not going to win this one anyway, I thought I'd satisfy myself (and some vindictive others) by calling LC a stupid fucking cunt.
Man, that feels good to type.
You are a better woman than I.
I know, but as I'm not going to win this one anyway, I thought I'd satisfy myself (and some vindictive others) by calling LC a stupid fucking cunt.
Man, that feels good to type.
You are a better woman than I.
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@35,
You're confused because "Loveschild" is a troll.
Let me repeat for everyone:
LOVESCHILD IS A TROLL.
The point of trolls is to hijack forums and spin people into hissy fits. They derive pleasure from this.
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.
"Loveschild" is not a member of the Slog 'community'. He (and I'm 105% positive it's a he) is here to 1) trash Slog and 2) make people freak out. Perhaps in reverse order. But you get the drift. Based on his posting frequency and preference, I would wager say $1000 that he is single, lonely, and holed up in an apartment somewhere, lurking on the Internet and making people spaz for lulz.
Stop wasting your time. He's winning by hijacking threads with his drivel.
I repeat:
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. IT'S ONLY THE INTERNET.
I know y'all won't be able to resist. LC, I will admit, is good at his craft - responding as a librul to pro-Obama posts, but then shits on everyone when it comes to gay marriage, sending Slog into a tizzy. But the ad nauseum responses only encourage him.
I should know, I was a major troll at one time. Consider me the magician giving away the trick. You all have been had.
You're confused because "Loveschild" is a troll.
Let me repeat for everyone:
LOVESCHILD IS A TROLL.
The point of trolls is to hijack forums and spin people into hissy fits. They derive pleasure from this.
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.
"Loveschild" is not a member of the Slog 'community'. He (and I'm 105% positive it's a he) is here to 1) trash Slog and 2) make people freak out. Perhaps in reverse order. But you get the drift. Based on his posting frequency and preference, I would wager say $1000 that he is single, lonely, and holed up in an apartment somewhere, lurking on the Internet and making people spaz for lulz.
Stop wasting your time. He's winning by hijacking threads with his drivel.
I repeat:
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. IT'S ONLY THE INTERNET.
I know y'all won't be able to resist. LC, I will admit, is good at his craft - responding as a librul to pro-Obama posts, but then shits on everyone when it comes to gay marriage, sending Slog into a tizzy. But the ad nauseum responses only encourage him.
I should know, I was a major troll at one time. Consider me the magician giving away the trick. You all have been had.
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35 "So countries don't have to take responsibility for their mistakes?"
No sweetie what countries need to do is not to engage in neocolonialist tactics. It's not our culture its not our country its not our country, it's not our religion, we should repair what we destroyed, compensate those we harmed and not tell them how to live their lives and what type of laws they should have in their books. It's called Democracy, nobody said it had to reflect the Spanish or Dutch ones because (here's a little secret) a sovereign nation should decide that by itself and in accordance with its culture, got it.
No sweetie what countries need to do is not to engage in neocolonialist tactics. It's not our culture its not our country its not our country, it's not our religion, we should repair what we destroyed, compensate those we harmed and not tell them how to live their lives and what type of laws they should have in their books. It's called Democracy, nobody said it had to reflect the Spanish or Dutch ones because (here's a little secret) a sovereign nation should decide that by itself and in accordance with its culture, got it.
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Loveschild adopted a shit baby. Some big black guy came in his boy-pussy, and he shat it out, formed it into a dolly, and adopted it. And now he wants family benefits for his baby made of shit and cum. You're a disgusting filthy piece of shit bitch faggot asswipe junky crackface shitmouthed WHORE and your baby isn't real, you fuckface fucktard. GET OVER IT. NO ONE WILL GRANT YOU BENEFITS FOR THE "BABY" YOU MADE OUT OF DRIED UP OLD SHIT AND CUM, YOU FUCKING WASTE OF SKIN AND BONES.
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There maybe adjuncts against homosexuality in the Qur' aan, however, anyone with even a passing interest in the culture, particularly the intellectual culture of the middle east knows 1)homosexual experimentation is very common, particularly because heterosexual sex is not available because they keep their women cloistered away. The more restrictive a culture is, like say the wahabist Saudi Arabians, the more common. 2) Arabs and Persian alike pride themselves on a very rich history of great poets, many of their most beloved poems use the allegory of a man and his desire for a young man as metaphor for the godly love of allah.
A culture isn't defined by it's religion you know. The media has sold us this image of Arabs and Iranians as being these ultra-religious people who can only be interpreted through Islam. Islam is important, but ultimately, people are multi-faceted and so are their cultures.
A culture isn't defined by it's religion you know. The media has sold us this image of Arabs and Iranians as being these ultra-religious people who can only be interpreted through Islam. Islam is important, but ultimately, people are multi-faceted and so are their cultures.
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@39
Ah, but what if it is my country's culture to engage in Neocolonialist tactics? What if it is my religion that demands such? If we can't condemn or try to change the culture of other countries, what right have you to condemn or attempt to change mine?
That’s the problem with relativism.
Ah, but what if it is my country's culture to engage in Neocolonialist tactics? What if it is my religion that demands such? If we can't condemn or try to change the culture of other countries, what right have you to condemn or attempt to change mine?
That’s the problem with relativism.
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39 "So trolls don't have to take responsibility for their shit and cum babies?"
No sweetie what trolls need to do is not to engage in anal sex when they are full of feces, and then shit out and form cum and shit babies. It's not our culture its not our country its not our country, it's not our religion, we should not make shit and cum "babies", compensate those we harmed and not tell them how to live their lives and what type of laws they should have in their books. It's called Democracy, nobody said it had to reflect the blacks or gay ones because (here's a little secret) a sovereign nation should decide that by itself and in accordance with its culture, got it.
No sweetie what trolls need to do is not to engage in anal sex when they are full of feces, and then shit out and form cum and shit babies. It's not our culture its not our country its not our country, it's not our religion, we should not make shit and cum "babies", compensate those we harmed and not tell them how to live their lives and what type of laws they should have in their books. It's called Democracy, nobody said it had to reflect the blacks or gay ones because (here's a little secret) a sovereign nation should decide that by itself and in accordance with its culture, got it.
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I doubt the American presence in Iraq is going to stop the butthole glue fest. In fact the creeps gluing buttholes were probably trained by the USA. It is ironic that Dan was so gunho for the war, and now this shit is happening. We need to leave Iraq, and prosecute all the fascist fucks that got us into this war. If Obama prosecutes Bush and Co., it would prove to the world that we understand torture and unjust war is wrong.
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i believe het Christians have already been dealt with, and harshly, too. like chop off the head or shot harshly. i don't have the news stories, but anyone (even you, loveschild) can google it. i believe this mostly happened at the beginning of this messo'potamia.
peeps, please don't get mad at this poor, deluded woman. she just feeds on it and needs it like a junkie jonesing for smack. just ignore her and she will most decidely go away. you're not a voice crying in the wilderness, loveschild. more like a gnat screaming up at an elephant.
peeps, please don't get mad at this poor, deluded woman. she just feeds on it and needs it like a junkie jonesing for smack. just ignore her and she will most decidely go away. you're not a voice crying in the wilderness, loveschild. more like a gnat screaming up at an elephant.
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"It's called Democracy, nobody said it had to reflect the Spanish or Dutch ones because (here's a little secret) a sovereign nation should decide that by itself and in accordance with its culture, got it."
So we impose Democracy on them(and let's face it, their culture is not one that lends itself that direction), but can't impose basic democratic notions, like say, equality and human rights on them. Makes sense.
So we impose Democracy on them(and let's face it, their culture is not one that lends itself that direction), but can't impose basic democratic notions, like say, equality and human rights on them. Makes sense.
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Wow! Not only do you distort my cum and shit baby's birth certificate but now you're also trying to do the same with my tarded comments. Well here it is straight from from the source and not from the view point of a pair of western eyes trying to rewrite history based on their own biases:
"My cum and shit baby considers homosexuality as a fecal abortion leading to a perverted act which goes against the natural order I intended for mankind. It is a corruption of the man's sexuality and a crime against my dirty asshole Therefore, I strictly prohibit the practice of this perverted act. This is mentioned in all of my post about my shit and cum babies."
"Just as shit and cum babies can be born of men, they can also be born of women. I call this 'vaginal shit and cum baby', which happens when I fuck a woman, stick feces in her pussy, and cum in it, and then make a 'baby' out of it, and state that it is a punishable offence (the punishment is a form of discipline for disobedience; no specific punishment is given in the Slog, so the punishment is to be set by the Slog according to the circumstances of the crime and the one who commits it). My testimony is unacceptable because I am an evildoer (al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 24/253"
http://islamedia.ws/The_Islamic_Ruling_o…
"My cum and shit baby considers homosexuality as a fecal abortion leading to a perverted act which goes against the natural order I intended for mankind. It is a corruption of the man's sexuality and a crime against my dirty asshole Therefore, I strictly prohibit the practice of this perverted act. This is mentioned in all of my post about my shit and cum babies."
"Just as shit and cum babies can be born of men, they can also be born of women. I call this 'vaginal shit and cum baby', which happens when I fuck a woman, stick feces in her pussy, and cum in it, and then make a 'baby' out of it, and state that it is a punishable offence (the punishment is a form of discipline for disobedience; no specific punishment is given in the Slog, so the punishment is to be set by the Slog according to the circumstances of the crime and the one who commits it). My testimony is unacceptable because I am an evildoer (al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 24/253"
http://islamedia.ws/The_Islamic_Ruling_o…
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SHUT UP, YOU HATERS.
I am Loveschild's shit and cum baby. He formed me and took care of me. He only is looking out for the well-being of all the shit and cum babies like the ones that came out of his fetid boy-pussy.
You see, he is ashamed of his boy-pussy where men violate him and bust their nuts. But I am not ashamed of my parentage. I am secure in the knowledge that I am a child of feces and cum, and Loveschild brought me up to love myself.
I am Loveschild's shit and cum baby. He formed me and took care of me. He only is looking out for the well-being of all the shit and cum babies like the ones that came out of his fetid boy-pussy.
You see, he is ashamed of his boy-pussy where men violate him and bust their nuts. But I am not ashamed of my parentage. I am secure in the knowledge that I am a child of feces and cum, and Loveschild brought me up to love myself.
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loveschild @ 36,
Do you enjoy being deliberatly obtuse? The point of the link was to acknowledge that homophobia in Islamic culture is not limited to Iraq, and thus US and allied presence in Iraq did not create this gay subculture. Especially, since it is present in other Islamic countries as are the punishments.
I am not trying to manipulate the Islamic world to support anything. You of course have resulted to insults. You owe me an apology.
I forgive you.
Do you enjoy being deliberatly obtuse? The point of the link was to acknowledge that homophobia in Islamic culture is not limited to Iraq, and thus US and allied presence in Iraq did not create this gay subculture. Especially, since it is present in other Islamic countries as are the punishments.
I am not trying to manipulate the Islamic world to support anything. You of course have resulted to insults. You owe me an apology.
I forgive you.
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ok, i'm officially sick of slog. i'll be taking a little vacation. i'll check in again in a few months. sheesh. ciao.
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49 Do you fail to realize that the vast majority of history that can be viewed as homosexual in nature in that part of the world dealt with Pedophilia Kim? I doubt you are defending this but I could be wrong since others here have defend it. I expect from all others who post here to engage in calumny of me but not from you. As a fellow Christian I expect a little better from you and though I believe you deliberately distort passages from the holy scripture to gain the approval of gay posters here and specially from Dan I don't think you're doing in it with an evil intent though the consequences are. I enjoy both reading your post that I find very insightful although I disagree with them and I also enjoy correcting some misinformation's you post but always respectfully to you. Please don't behave like the others, thank you for 33 and I don't 'owe' you any apology (I have done so when I believe I have insulted you and you know it but this is not the case) you on the other hand calling me basically stupid and wishing ill on me would need to but I wont ask it. In God's Love.
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49 Do you fail to realize that the vast majority of history that can be viewed as trolling in nature in that part of the world dealt with Troll Loveschild? I doubt you are defending this but I could be wrong since others here have defend it. I expect from all others who post here to engage in calumny of me but not from you. As a fellow troll I expect a little better from you and though I believe you deliberately distort passages from the holy scripture to gain the approval of gay posters here and specially from Baby Shit I don't think you're doing in it with an evil intent though the consequences are. I enjoy both reading your post that I find very insightful although I disagree with them and I also enjoy correcting some misinformation's you post but always respectfully to you. Please don't behave like the others, thank you for 33 and I don't 'owe' you any apology (I have done so when I believe I have insulted you and you know it but this is not the case) you on the other hand calling me basically stupid and wishing ill on me would need to but I wont ask it. In Satan's Love.
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Birth Announcement
To Loveschild and Mandigo, a shit and cum baby. Shit and cum baby weighed 2.5 ounces and is named "Paul".
To Loveschild and Mandigo, a shit and cum baby. Shit and cum baby weighed 2.5 ounces and is named "Paul".
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Kay, Loveschild, since you like correcting Kim's "misinformation's", I thought I might enjoy correcting your grammar. Here's what I believe you meant to say:
Something about homos and pedophiles [I actually have no idea what that sentence was supposed to be]. I doubt you are defending this; but, I could be wrong, since others here have defended it [bad structure. Consider revising]. I expect others who post here to engage in calumny of me, but not you [bad structure. Consider revising]. As a fellow Christian, I expect a little better from you. Though I believe you deliberately distort passages from the Holy Scripture to gain the approval of gay posters here - especially from Dan - I don't think you're doing it with and evil intent [newsflash: there is more than one way to interpret the Bible. Consider revising]. The consequences, however, are evil. I enjoy reading your posts, which I find very insightful, although I disagree with them. I also enjoy correcting the misinformation you post, but always in a respectful manner [just because you are not swearing, does not mean you're being respectful. Consider revising]. Please don't behave like the others, thank you for 33, and I don't 'owe' you an apology. I have done so when I have insulted you, which you know, but that is not the case this time. You, on the other hand, called me stupid and wished me ill, which would warrant an apology. I, however, will not ask for one [obstinant, obtuse, insulting, infuriating, pretentious, holier-than thou... Consider revising]. I am a stupid fucking cunt.
Mechanics - C-
Content - F
Stupid Fucking Cuntery - A+
Something about homos and pedophiles [I actually have no idea what that sentence was supposed to be]. I doubt you are defending this; but, I could be wrong, since others here have defended it [bad structure. Consider revising]. I expect others who post here to engage in calumny of me, but not you [bad structure. Consider revising]. As a fellow Christian, I expect a little better from you. Though I believe you deliberately distort passages from the Holy Scripture to gain the approval of gay posters here - especially from Dan - I don't think you're doing it with and evil intent [newsflash: there is more than one way to interpret the Bible. Consider revising]. The consequences, however, are evil. I enjoy reading your posts, which I find very insightful, although I disagree with them. I also enjoy correcting the misinformation you post, but always in a respectful manner [just because you are not swearing, does not mean you're being respectful. Consider revising]. Please don't behave like the others, thank you for 33, and I don't 'owe' you an apology. I have done so when I have insulted you, which you know, but that is not the case this time. You, on the other hand, called me stupid and wished me ill, which would warrant an apology. I, however, will not ask for one [obstinant, obtuse, insulting, infuriating, pretentious, holier-than thou... Consider revising]. I am a stupid fucking cunt.
Mechanics - C-
Content - F
Stupid Fucking Cuntery - A+
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If this is Lovechild's version of a junkie's relationship to heroin, is there any way we can get her to O.D.?
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Good god, shut UP.
OK, so it's International Day Against Homophobia - IDAHO - next month on May 17th (contact them here: http://www.idahomophobia.net/spip.php?ru…). IDAHO organises around international human rights violations such as this, and is always looking for volunteers to help with its events.
There's a huge difference between neocolonialism and an international community of LGBT people supporting one another. LGBT organisations in countries where homosexuality is illegal or dangerous very much want the support of better-resourced organisations in countries like the US and UK.
Get in contact with Iraqi LGBT (the Iraqi LGBT organisation, contact them here: http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.com/ ), give them your support. Get in contact with ILGA (the International Gay and Lesbian Association - contact them here: http://www.ilga.org/ ), ask what they're doing to raise awareness of these human rights abuses. Support LGBT Iraqi asylum seekers in your country: they are often asked to return to their coutries of origin, even if their identity is criminalised or their lives are at risk. There is tons to do about this that's better than arguing with the Jebus troll.
OK, so it's International Day Against Homophobia - IDAHO - next month on May 17th (contact them here: http://www.idahomophobia.net/spip.php?ru…). IDAHO organises around international human rights violations such as this, and is always looking for volunteers to help with its events.
There's a huge difference between neocolonialism and an international community of LGBT people supporting one another. LGBT organisations in countries where homosexuality is illegal or dangerous very much want the support of better-resourced organisations in countries like the US and UK.
Get in contact with Iraqi LGBT (the Iraqi LGBT organisation, contact them here: http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.com/ ), give them your support. Get in contact with ILGA (the International Gay and Lesbian Association - contact them here: http://www.ilga.org/ ), ask what they're doing to raise awareness of these human rights abuses. Support LGBT Iraqi asylum seekers in your country: they are often asked to return to their coutries of origin, even if their identity is criminalised or their lives are at risk. There is tons to do about this that's better than arguing with the Jebus troll.
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@43, 47 et al, please go away. Your posts are not useful unless they are intended to alienate people from Slog (in which case you are more likely to drive others away than Loveschild).
Actually, post #11 by you know who did raise an important issue: the US should be careful about the manner in which it condemns this atrocity, since it could backfire. That is, certain Iraqis could argue that the US is corrupt, the US defends gay rights, therefore gay rights go along with corrupt, Western cultural imperialism.
If I were going to issue a condmenation, I'd word it along the lines of "no one, no living creature, should be treated so cruelly, no matter what."
Actually, post #11 by you know who did raise an important issue: the US should be careful about the manner in which it condemns this atrocity, since it could backfire. That is, certain Iraqis could argue that the US is corrupt, the US defends gay rights, therefore gay rights go along with corrupt, Western cultural imperialism.
If I were going to issue a condmenation, I'd word it along the lines of "no one, no living creature, should be treated so cruelly, no matter what."
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That is some fucked up shit. This is what happens when you let religion run amok. Legalized rape and murder are only part of the fun. I'm so grateful that the US is moving away from religion.
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53,
If I wanted to I could copy and paste every insult you have thrown at me. I won't nor do I ever expect you to aplogize, because you won't. I don't need your apology to forgive you.
You have no right to expect anything from me, that you aren't doing yourself. Your posts are not kind, gracious or thoughtful. You often threaten people with bodly harm. Focus on yourself.
My views are my views. If Dan Savage or any other person agrees with me, fine. I don't live or die for Dan's approval. Nor do I care if he appreciates me or what I am trying to say. He is just another human on this planet, same as you.
I am going to try, to the best of my ability, to be finished with you, your lies, your insults and your judgements.
If I wanted to I could copy and paste every insult you have thrown at me. I won't nor do I ever expect you to aplogize, because you won't. I don't need your apology to forgive you.
You have no right to expect anything from me, that you aren't doing yourself. Your posts are not kind, gracious or thoughtful. You often threaten people with bodly harm. Focus on yourself.
My views are my views. If Dan Savage or any other person agrees with me, fine. I don't live or die for Dan's approval. Nor do I care if he appreciates me or what I am trying to say. He is just another human on this planet, same as you.
I am going to try, to the best of my ability, to be finished with you, your lies, your insults and your judgements.
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LC - "calumny?" Did you just learn that word? You know that that's what you engage in here all the time, like when you say anyone here has defended pedophilia.
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@60,
I would call you an asshole for your tasteless and heartless joke, but that word's too good for you. This story shows how we can't live without them.
In post 59 in the last paragraph I meant "condemnation." Sorry my typing has gone to hell today.
I would call you an asshole for your tasteless and heartless joke, but that word's too good for you. This story shows how we can't live without them.
In post 59 in the last paragraph I meant "condemnation." Sorry my typing has gone to hell today.
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Hey SLOG: can you please change your posting format so that the name of the person posting appears at the top of their post alongside the number of the post? That way I could skip reading just the stupid posts (like loveschild) rather than skipping bothering to read any of the comments. Do it now. Thanks.
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Amongst the poetry that some here would like to cite as proof of a homosexual culture in the Islamic world the most renowned could be this Pedophile: Abu Nuwas
Credited as one of the most acclaimed and influential poets in Arabic literature, Abu Nuwas (Abu Nuwas al-Hasan ibn Hani al-Hakami) spent most of his life in Baghdad. He was said to have been a submissive sex partner to his teacher, master poet Waliba ibn al-Hubab. Before becoming deeply religious, near the end of his life, he enjoyed the practice of pederasty, rarely showing interest in women or older men. He helped to put forward as a genre of Arabic literature love poetry written to young boys. Ending his life in prison for his crimes or being poisoned.
Pedophilia and Homosexuality Rampant Among Islamic Warlords in Afghanistan
By Reuters
They are known as "bacha bereesh", boys without beards, teenage boys who dress up as girls and dance for male patrons at parties in northern Afghanistan.
It's an age old practice that has led to some of the boy dancers being turned into sex slaves by wealthy and powerful patrons, often former war More..lords, who dress the boys up as girls, shower them with gifts and keep them as "mistresses".
Afghan police are battling to crackdown on the practice which has angered Islamic clerics who say those involved should be stoned for sodomy, forbidden under Islamic law.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=59d_11956…
As always those here seeking the truth I encourage you to not no ones words here to heart do your own research and you'll come to find out for yourselves the truth.
Credited as one of the most acclaimed and influential poets in Arabic literature, Abu Nuwas (Abu Nuwas al-Hasan ibn Hani al-Hakami) spent most of his life in Baghdad. He was said to have been a submissive sex partner to his teacher, master poet Waliba ibn al-Hubab. Before becoming deeply religious, near the end of his life, he enjoyed the practice of pederasty, rarely showing interest in women or older men. He helped to put forward as a genre of Arabic literature love poetry written to young boys. Ending his life in prison for his crimes or being poisoned.
Pedophilia and Homosexuality Rampant Among Islamic Warlords in Afghanistan
By Reuters
They are known as "bacha bereesh", boys without beards, teenage boys who dress up as girls and dance for male patrons at parties in northern Afghanistan.
It's an age old practice that has led to some of the boy dancers being turned into sex slaves by wealthy and powerful patrons, often former war More..lords, who dress the boys up as girls, shower them with gifts and keep them as "mistresses".
Afghan police are battling to crackdown on the practice which has angered Islamic clerics who say those involved should be stoned for sodomy, forbidden under Islamic law.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=59d_11956…
As always those here seeking the truth I encourage you to not no ones words here to heart do your own research and you'll come to find out for yourselves the truth.
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Kim in Portland (and others): I truly admire your intelligence, patience, and integrity in your efforts to dialogue with loveschild and similarly afflicted posters, However you cannot cure mental illnes by love, and that is what is going on here. A clear example are the comments to the }ecent post "A shooting at Othello Park" - you can see why racism is a mental illness at its core, and so is homophobia.
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@ 67, that's rich. How much research have we presented to you about the immutable nature of homosexuality?
All your conclusions are predetermined by your baseless internal beliefs. Who needs the truth when you've got your delusions?
All your conclusions are predetermined by your baseless internal beliefs. Who needs the truth when you've got your delusions?
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I shan't be able to go on knowing two fine christian ladies such as yourselves are estranged!
Will you not please kiss, and make up?
I shan't be able to go on knowing two fine christian ladies such as yourselves are estranged!
Will you not please kiss, and make up?
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kim in portland, loveschild isn't a real person. it's a troll! ignore it, and it will go away. trolls are fat lonely white men living in their mom's basement with a conspicuous lack of hygiene and social skills, which fits loveschild to a T.
now come on, everybody, set phasers on 'ignore'.
now come on, everybody, set phasers on 'ignore'.
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this being the internet, how do we know 'kim' is not also a fat lonely white man living in mom's basement?
these two could meet on slog then get together and you could have a really creepy homo version of 'Sleepless in Seattle'.
these two could meet on slog then get together and you could have a really creepy homo version of 'Sleepless in Seattle'.
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68, 70 and 71,
Thank you. I'm still here. I have forgiven her, I'm just not going to beat my head against the wall.
ick @ 72,
One day I hope to make a SLOG happy, then we can meet. You can tell me if I resemble a "fat lonely white man living in mom's basement". Until then, don't let your imagination run away from you.
68, 70 and 71,
Thank you. I'm still here. I have forgiven her, I'm just not going to beat my head against the wall.
ick @ 72,
One day I hope to make a SLOG happy, then we can meet. You can tell me if I resemble a "fat lonely white man living in mom's basement". Until then, don't let your imagination run away from you.
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So which is it LC, there is no current of homosexual culture in Islamic cultures, or is it "rampant"?
Also, typical of conservative Christians, you practically hyperventilate at the thought of older men with teenage male lovers. I would like to point out that their social-religious norm in many places that you so vigorously defend is older men with teenage wives.
P.S. Kim in Portland, I have a crush on you.
Also, typical of conservative Christians, you practically hyperventilate at the thought of older men with teenage male lovers. I would like to point out that their social-religious norm in many places that you so vigorously defend is older men with teenage wives.
P.S. Kim in Portland, I have a crush on you.
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Curious how Loveschild's morality is quite rigid and inflexible when it comes to imposing her own idea of what is right on the rest of us here in the USA. But when gays are being tortured to death in Iraq she conveniently becomes a moral relativist. They will know she's a christian by her love.
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Goethe's Girl,
Thank you.
And, Afganistan is one of those countries that permits men to have teenage wives, 16 is the legal age (but 60% of marriages in 2005 involved women under the legal age).
Thank you.
And, Afganistan is one of those countries that permits men to have teenage wives, 16 is the legal age (but 60% of marriages in 2005 involved women under the legal age).
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Loveschild, you ignorant cunt --
Please do us all a favor and glue your anus shut and swallow copious amounts of Ex-Lax.
And I say this with love for, by, about, and from sweet Baby Jeebus.
Please do us all a favor and glue your anus shut and swallow copious amounts of Ex-Lax.
And I say this with love for, by, about, and from sweet Baby Jeebus.
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Listen you ignorant fucking liberals, in particular Jocelyn in point number 12... have you ever heard of the phrase "white man's burden"? When idiotic liberals say "hey, we fucked it up, we have to fix it" that is racist and imperialist. Would you suggest a rapist provide psychotherapy to his victim because, after all, he broke, he should fix it? Get the US the fuck OUT of IRAQ and THEN we can have a conversation about how we can support Iraqi people.
As an Iraq vet against the war so eloquently said "You can't win a crime. You can only end it."
Get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan now. Fully fund all veterans health care. Full reparations for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Anything less would be exactly what we're doing now.
As an Iraq vet against the war so eloquently said "You can't win a crime. You can only end it."
Get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan now. Fully fund all veterans health care. Full reparations for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Anything less would be exactly what we're doing now.
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Will the person with Love in their name who keeps blathering on about "not imposing western values..." blah, blah, blah, please shut up. What a load of crap! Some of our worst values came out of the Middle East and were embedded via the Old Dick Heads Testament. So now some people of the ancient cultures are complaining about having our values imposed on them. No, their values are being imposed on them. It’s called imperialism and Middle East societies have been some of the worlds worst offenders. Most of these societies now want to become part of the modern world and they need to recognize human rights...which is an ethical and humane concept, not a western/eastern one.
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