Sunday, April 19, 2009
Homo Required Reading
Posted by Dan Savage on Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Frank Rich eulogizes the anti-gay marriage movement in today's NYT:
Far from terrifying anyone, “Gathering Storm” has become, unsurprisingly, an Internet camp classic. On YouTube the original video must compete with countless homemade parodies it has inspired since first turning up some 10 days ago.... Yet easy to mock as “Gathering Storm” may be, it nonetheless bookmarks a historic turning point in the demise of America’s anti-gay movement.What gives the ad its symbolic significance is not just that it’s idiotic but that its release was the only loud protest anywhere in America to the news that same-sex marriage had been legalized in Iowa and Vermont. If it advances any message, it’s mainly that homophobic activism is ever more depopulated and isolated as well as brain-dead.
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There is also some other news that will set back the fundies and Catholic right. There sfforts to stop stem cell research will become more futile if as this article says there is about to be a cure for the most common for of blindness. The cure comes fro embryonic stem cells.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk…
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With abortion, the issue became really useful to Republicans as a wedge issue after Roe v. Wade. The loss of the battle over abortion galvanized the Christian Right and fueled their martyr complex, causing single-issue voters to cast their lot with the party of "tax cuts for the top %1™" for decades. As gay marriage becomes legal in more and more places, or even if it becomes legal on a Federal level, it does not necessarily follow that we are witnessing the death throes of the crazy persecution complex we see on display in these ads. Their ideology thrives on feeling that the tide is turning against them.
Marriage equality needs to happen, but it could well give these people something to blame for all that's wrong in the modern world for a generation to come.
Marriage equality needs to happen, but it could well give these people something to blame for all that's wrong in the modern world for a generation to come.
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Know it's been posted here already, but Colbert clip is just genius. http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2009…
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you have not posted nearly enough gay marriage related stuff lately, please post at least 15 more gay marriage articles by the end of the day
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I for one don't think the war is over. Everyone seems to be laughing at the Gathering Storm video and walking away shaking their heads thinking "what a joke". I sure hope I'm wrong, but this "joke" might have the Radical Religious Extremists laughing all the way to a Federal Constitutional Amendment barring marriage equality.
When Radical Religious Extremists act I take what they do very seriously. They have money, they have members, they have strong grass roots organizers, they have a network, they have media power, they have focus. I'm not laughing, yet.
When Radical Religious Extremists act I take what they do very seriously. They have money, they have members, they have strong grass roots organizers, they have a network, they have media power, they have focus. I'm not laughing, yet.
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The right wing has isolated itself with a lot of bad behavior. They are trapped by their support for G.W.Bush and his idiotic policies that have left many people not just questioning every belief and premise of their ideological cement shoes, but seeing their hypocrisy and futility. You can't claim "liberty and justice for all" with their policies. They represent a dying form of tyranny. Tyranny of the mind.
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Heraclitus: You could be right, but the evidence we've seen so far is that once same-sex marriage is legalized it quickly becomes a non-issue for mainstream voters. The best cases for this would seem to be Canada and Spain, where vocal opposition to same-sex marriage still exists, but where that issue has (so far) not catalyzed any significant political changes at the national level (nothing like the so-called 'Reagan revolution' that followed Roe v. Wade).
At its heart, abortion seems to me to be a MUCH more emotional issue that gay rights. There's plenty of homophobia out there. But most people, I think, are content to forget about gay people as soon as we drop out of the news cycle.
At its heart, abortion seems to me to be a MUCH more emotional issue that gay rights. There's plenty of homophobia out there. But most people, I think, are content to forget about gay people as soon as we drop out of the news cycle.
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I agree with @7. This is an extremely important issue for the nation. When I was a little kid, I'd always dreamed of eventually marrying the man I love and starting a family. All this stuff is very heartening that my childhood dreams will be possible in the near future.
@4, I don't think it will be that effective. Abortion can easily be portrayed as murder, but how will they frame gay marriage? I think this is more of a civil rights issue. After desegregation, people eventually got used to it. You don't see a lot of politicians getting elected based on the threat that mixed-race children will destroy our country. Although, a lot of those fundies are claiming that our mixed-race President will run our nation into the ground, none of them are saying it's because he's mixed-race.
@4, I don't think it will be that effective. Abortion can easily be portrayed as murder, but how will they frame gay marriage? I think this is more of a civil rights issue. After desegregation, people eventually got used to it. You don't see a lot of politicians getting elected based on the threat that mixed-race children will destroy our country. Although, a lot of those fundies are claiming that our mixed-race President will run our nation into the ground, none of them are saying it's because he's mixed-race.
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This a great opinion from the NYT, thanks for also including the link, Dan.
It does give us hope.
Still, Sargon Bighorn @ 8 makes an excellent point. There is still a lot of fear and hatred to overcome. I believe that victory is coming, but not without pain and suffering. A cornered lion, even declawed, is still vicious. I hope that I am wrong.
It does give us hope.
Still, Sargon Bighorn @ 8 makes an excellent point. There is still a lot of fear and hatred to overcome. I believe that victory is coming, but not without pain and suffering. A cornered lion, even declawed, is still vicious. I hope that I am wrong.
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Liberals are famous for living in an echo chamber.
For all the talk of 'diversity' they seldom spend much time around real Americans (the kind that shop at WalMart)
Hence in 2000 and 2004 Liberals are shocked- SHOCKED that W won because everybody they know voted Democratic.
Thus they sit on their asses counting wedding invitations while Prop 8 passes.
As long as you can keep it away from a vote of the people more victories are certainly possible but the recent gains may be built on sand.
There is still a lot of quiet resolve to preserve some shred of morality. The people have not had their last word yet.
For all the talk of 'diversity' they seldom spend much time around real Americans (the kind that shop at WalMart)
Hence in 2000 and 2004 Liberals are shocked- SHOCKED that W won because everybody they know voted Democratic.
Thus they sit on their asses counting wedding invitations while Prop 8 passes.
As long as you can keep it away from a vote of the people more victories are certainly possible but the recent gains may be built on sand.
There is still a lot of quiet resolve to preserve some shred of morality. The people have not had their last word yet.
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In the article, Rich points out that Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, and Rick Warren - among others - have changed their tune and are off the anti-gay soapbox. Hmm...not sure I buy it.
Since the Republicans were quick to gamble with Palin, thinking that a woman on the VP ticket would potentially move Hillary voters away from Obama, perhaps they are plotting a strategy for the 2012 election (and upcoming congressional elections) to sway gay and gay-friendly voters to the GOP.
Or maybe they're really and truly over the gay marriage issue. Damn, if Dr. Laura can change her mind, anyone can, I suppose.
Since the Republicans were quick to gamble with Palin, thinking that a woman on the VP ticket would potentially move Hillary voters away from Obama, perhaps they are plotting a strategy for the 2012 election (and upcoming congressional elections) to sway gay and gay-friendly voters to the GOP.
Or maybe they're really and truly over the gay marriage issue. Damn, if Dr. Laura can change her mind, anyone can, I suppose.
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And Liberals are really adept at sneering contempt for those who disagree with them; underestimating ones foe is never a good idea.
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From over the pond it looks to me as though the days of LGBT people sitting on their arses in the rare blue oases that recognise their civil rights are receding. If there's a lesson to be learned from recent events, it's that organised queers are fully capable of achieving the previously unthinkable. Even in the US - where, apparently, real people shop at Walmart and prefer their rancid morality shredded, the better to cling to.
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@15 Vermont's case may not represent a direct popular vote, but having the Vermont legislature vote for marriage equality - and vote at the levels required for an override - DOES represent the voice of the people. That's the entire principle of representative democracy.
And shopping at Wal-Mart does not make you any more of a "real" American than shopping at Trader Joe's. Creating false class divisions only raises pointless tensions. Let's keep the debate on marriage equality where it belongs: in the realm of political rights.
And shopping at Wal-Mart does not make you any more of a "real" American than shopping at Trader Joe's. Creating false class divisions only raises pointless tensions. Let's keep the debate on marriage equality where it belongs: in the realm of political rights.
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John, there's still some quiet resolve to make American whites a higher class than all other races again. Study them because your movement's future will have many parallels with white supremacy's past.
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There is still much to be done. From the yesterdays Washington Post:
Public opinion remains narrowly against same-sex marriage. A Newsweek poll in December found 55 percent of people opposed to it, compared with 39 percent who support it. A scant majority (51 percent) of people ages 18 to 29 back same-sex marriage.
Public opinion remains narrowly against same-sex marriage. A Newsweek poll in December found 55 percent of people opposed to it, compared with 39 percent who support it. A scant majority (51 percent) of people ages 18 to 29 back same-sex marriage.
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A legislature passed law is better than a judge imposed mandate on the scale of 'peoples' will'; but if the people wish to vote on a matter directly (as in Mass and now Iowa) and the Legislature stonewalls them it shows contempt and cowardice.
The people are the ultimate source of power even in a representative Republic and those who try to stifle the voice of the people ultimately will fail.
A legislature passed law is better than a judge imposed mandate on the scale of 'peoples' will'; but if the people wish to vote on a matter directly (as in Mass and now Iowa) and the Legislature stonewalls them it shows contempt and cowardice.
The people are the ultimate source of power even in a representative Republic and those who try to stifle the voice of the people ultimately will fail.
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A lot more people shop at WalMart that Trader Joe's.
Liberals tend to discount the opinions of the WalMart Americans to their disadvantage when handicaping political contests.
A lot more people shop at WalMart that Trader Joe's.
Liberals tend to discount the opinions of the WalMart Americans to their disadvantage when handicaping political contests.
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@27
specious
What's the point of reading slog if you're not going to learn something from it?
(If it's good enough for Lisa who am I to argue?)
post#24
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Comme…
specious
What's the point of reading slog if you're not going to learn something from it?
(If it's good enough for Lisa who am I to argue?)
post#24
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Comme…
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I love when people narrow down arguments to "who shops where and what their opinions are, and since a lot of people shop there, they are the real Americans, therefore this is what real Americans think". It makes everything so simple. That tactic of framing arguments worked particularly well for Sarah Palin during the campaign - dividing the population into "real" and "not real" Americans and standing up for what the "real Americans" think. I honestly believe that's what secured the election victory for her and ... what was that guy's name again?
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/28417/Most-Am…
More than three in four Americans say they approve of marriages between blacks and whites -- similar to the results measured in 2003 and 2004. As recently as 1994, less than half of Americans approved. The vast majority of whites and an even larger majority of blacks approve of interracial marriages. Older Americans -- regardless of race or ethnicity -- are less inclined to support interracial marriages than are younger Americans, but still, older Americans show majority support.
In 1958, only 4% of Americans said they approved of marriages between whites and blacks... Approval gradually increased over the next few decades, but at least half of Americans disapproved of black-white unions through 1983. Then, in the next measure eight years later, disapproval had fallen to 42%, with 48% approving. In 1997, the next time Gallup asked the question, approval had jumped well into the majority, with nearly two in three Americans saying they approved of marriages between blacks and whites. Disapproval fell to 27% in that same year. Support remained at about the two-thirds level until 2002, but increased to 73% in 2003. Since then, there have only been modest variations in attitudes about interracial marriages.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/28417/Most-Am…
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Time marches ever forward. Young voters arrive to make their mark. Public opinion does change.
Growing Acceptance Among Youth
Graham Gillette of Des Moines, Iowa, says he's always on the lookout for a teachable moment — a chance for his three children to learn from a real-life situation.
And the April 3 unanimous decision by the Iowa Supreme Court to legalize same-sex marriage provided just such an opportunity. Or so Gillette assumed.
"The day the ruling came down, I was taking my 13-year-old to baseball, and thought, 'Hey, big teaching moment,' " says Gillette. He imparted to his son the historic importance of the court's 7-0 decision to legalize what it referred to pointedly as "civil marriage."
"He looked at me and said, 'Duh. Why is this a big deal?' " said Gillette, a former Republican who supports same-sex marriage.
"To him, [the right to marriage] is a given, and it's stupid that we even talk about it," Gillette says.
Sixty percent of Iowans under age 30 support same-sex marriage, according to a recent University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll, numbers that are echoed nationally.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
Time marches ever forward. Young voters arrive to make their mark. Public opinion does change.
Growing Acceptance Among Youth
Graham Gillette of Des Moines, Iowa, says he's always on the lookout for a teachable moment — a chance for his three children to learn from a real-life situation.
And the April 3 unanimous decision by the Iowa Supreme Court to legalize same-sex marriage provided just such an opportunity. Or so Gillette assumed.
"The day the ruling came down, I was taking my 13-year-old to baseball, and thought, 'Hey, big teaching moment,' " says Gillette. He imparted to his son the historic importance of the court's 7-0 decision to legalize what it referred to pointedly as "civil marriage."
"He looked at me and said, 'Duh. Why is this a big deal?' " said Gillette, a former Republican who supports same-sex marriage.
"To him, [the right to marriage] is a given, and it's stupid that we even talk about it," Gillette says.
Sixty percent of Iowans under age 30 support same-sex marriage, according to a recent University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll, numbers that are echoed nationally.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
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As much as the people who like to use wrong labels like 'anti-gay' and 'homophobic' to mock people who believe in traditional marriage feel that these few anti Democratic impositions are somehow reflective of a moral decay in american society, the backlash from these incidents will far exceed any 'wins' that gay activists have gain through their tactics.
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As someone who correctly uses the labels "anti gay" and "homophobe" to describe the activists who oppose gay marriage (as opposed to other traditionalists who are capable of coming around on the issue), I can say that I DON'T feel that the democratic actions of the Vermont legislature and Iowa Supreme Court "are somehow reflective of a moral decay in american society." I feel that they are reflective of moral GROWTH in American society.
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@34 On the contrary, Loveschild, it is people like you who are anti- democratic. It is not "of the people" to impose you narrow religious definitions as somehow more moral and inclusive. History clearly shows that is false. If you want to look for moral rot, look at priests raping thousands of children and a Pope who has condemned thousands of helpless babies to die a slow death from AIDS in Africa and elsewhere. You and your ilk are exactly like the Taliban. Hate is moral and oppression is freedom for people like you.
@15 And you, John, are delusional. Bush stole the election by posing as a moderate and than having his opperatives steal the votes. It will ever be to the shame that the Republican Supreme Court helped him in his plot.
@15 And you, John, are delusional. Bush stole the election by posing as a moderate and than having his opperatives steal the votes. It will ever be to the shame that the Republican Supreme Court helped him in his plot.
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Loveschild, I think your awesome. You've got everyone thinking your a right wing nut job, when clearly your just trying to subvert the slog paradigm.
I bet your sipping an Oregon Pinot on your deck right now, smoking a joint, fondly recounting the trick you fisted last night. You sir are a true post modern genius.
You're clearly just supporting my big gay boyfriend and I, and our valid concern that once we have the right to marry our sex life might become more sanitized, more accepted. We support your stealth attempts to keep our fucking hot and heavy.
;-)
I bet your sipping an Oregon Pinot on your deck right now, smoking a joint, fondly recounting the trick you fisted last night. You sir are a true post modern genius.
You're clearly just supporting my big gay boyfriend and I, and our valid concern that once we have the right to marry our sex life might become more sanitized, more accepted. We support your stealth attempts to keep our fucking hot and heavy.
;-)
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The fact that something is becoming more accepted does not speak to it's desirability or advisability.
Many societies have embraced many corrupt and destructive practices at times.
The fact that young people are accepting reflects not the wisdom of it but the effectiveness with which it is being propagandized in our society.
The popular culture bombards kids with fabricated positive stereotypes about homosexuality.
It is exactly like the Hitler Youth (oh yeah- we're talking about NAZIS!!.
Hitler indoctrinated an entire generation. And he didn't even have MTV.
The fact that something is becoming more accepted does not speak to it's desirability or advisability.
Many societies have embraced many corrupt and destructive practices at times.
The fact that young people are accepting reflects not the wisdom of it but the effectiveness with which it is being propagandized in our society.
The popular culture bombards kids with fabricated positive stereotypes about homosexuality.
It is exactly like the Hitler Youth (oh yeah- we're talking about NAZIS!!.
Hitler indoctrinated an entire generation. And he didn't even have MTV.
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If you wonder if your life is totally meaningless, pathetic and empty ask yourself:
"Self, am I still hung up about the Florida recount?"
If you wonder if your life is totally meaningless, pathetic and empty ask yourself:
"Self, am I still hung up about the Florida recount?"
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@26 Look, I don't want to argue about Wal-Mart at all. It just strikes as particularly strange that you picked Wal-Mart as your signifier of "normalcy," a.k.a. right-wing homophobia, when most of the queers I know shop at Wal-Mart. For that matter, so do I. I've never been inside a Trader Joe's in my life, and I'm about as left-wing as they come without agitating for a radical takeover. Your example is meaningless.
And yeah, us liberals "discounting the opinions of the WalMart Americans" (i.e. ourselves? wtf?) has clearly worked to our disadvantage in the past six months. We're powerless, leader-less, and completely impotent when it comes to blocking legislation we decide to throw hissy fits about, without ever being able to provide viable alternatives.
Oh wait. That sounds like another group.
And yeah, us liberals "discounting the opinions of the WalMart Americans" (i.e. ourselves? wtf?) has clearly worked to our disadvantage in the past six months. We're powerless, leader-less, and completely impotent when it comes to blocking legislation we decide to throw hissy fits about, without ever being able to provide viable alternatives.
Oh wait. That sounds like another group.
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An imposition is never a Democratic act and the process of 'growth' is intrinsically aligned to nature, to reproduction and is therefor completely opposed to homosexuality which falls short in that sense.
Once the novelty of gay marriage has passed and people nationwide have seen the non productive aspect of gay marriages in terms of a zero reproductive count from such unions coupled with the inevitable diseases that are brought about the sexual practices in which such couples engage in those few states who have caved to gay interest groups and ignored their population, you will see a reversal in their course and the other states who have safeguarded their future and the institution of marriage will be proven right. Alongside with the silent majority who have had to endure the name calling and ridicule by the homosexual lobby groups who seek to impose their ideologies into law through intimidation and the silencing of people of faith. Those who have had doubts in regards to this (regardless of their age) will see the consequences paid by those who have embrace this lifestyle and will comprehend that cherishing the family structure, reproduction, and the future of their nation and honestly of humanity is not something evil, bigoted or something that they need to keep to themselves in the face of those who seek to impose the contrary.
Once the novelty of gay marriage has passed and people nationwide have seen the non productive aspect of gay marriages in terms of a zero reproductive count from such unions coupled with the inevitable diseases that are brought about the sexual practices in which such couples engage in those few states who have caved to gay interest groups and ignored their population, you will see a reversal in their course and the other states who have safeguarded their future and the institution of marriage will be proven right. Alongside with the silent majority who have had to endure the name calling and ridicule by the homosexual lobby groups who seek to impose their ideologies into law through intimidation and the silencing of people of faith. Those who have had doubts in regards to this (regardless of their age) will see the consequences paid by those who have embrace this lifestyle and will comprehend that cherishing the family structure, reproduction, and the future of their nation and honestly of humanity is not something evil, bigoted or something that they need to keep to themselves in the face of those who seek to impose the contrary.
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The homosexual community doesn't need the media to provide positive examples as propaganda. They are normal healthy people. Way to let your fears guide your perspective.
Nice touch trying to equate civil rights with Hitler's youth movement.
1)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Psychological Association
In an excerpt from their policy concerning homosexuality, the American Psychological Association states:
Attitudes Toward Homosexuality and Bisexuality
Guideline 1. Psychologists understand that homosexuality and bisexuality are not indicative of mental illness.
Guideline 2. Psychologists are encouraged to recognize how their attitudes and knowledge about lesbian, gay, and bisexual issues may be relevant to assessment and treatment and seek consultation or make appropriate referrals when indicated.
Guideline 3. Psychologists strive to understand the ways in which social stigmatization (i.e., prejudice, discrimination, and violence) poses risks to the mental health and well-being of lesbian, gay, and bisexual clients.
Guideline 4. Psychologists strive to understand how inaccurate or prejudicial views of homosexuality or bisexuality may affect the client's presentation in treatment and the therapeutic process.
From Guidelines for Psychotherapy with Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Clients.
Reparative Therapy
The American Psychological Association in its Resolution on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation, which is also endorsed by the National Association of School Psychologists, states: "That the American Psychological Association opposes portrayals of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation and supports the dissemination of accurate information about sexual orientation, and mental health, and appropriate interventions in order to counteract bias that is based in ignorance or unfounded beliefs about sexual orientation." [Resolution on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation, American Psychological Association, 1997.]
2)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the National Association of Social Workers
The National Association of Social Workers (NASW) has stated the following:
Social workers are guided by the NASW Code of Ethics which bans discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. . . NASW believes that non judgmental attitudes toward sexual orientation allow social workers to offer optimal support and services to lesbian and gay people. NASW affirms its commitment to work toward full social and legal acceptance of lesbian and gay people. The profession must also act to eliminate and prevent discriminatory statutes, policies, and actions that diminish the quality of life for lesbian and gay people and that force many to live their lives in the closet. (National Association of Social Workers: Lesbian and Gay Issues. Washington, DC, NASW Delegate Assembly, 1993.)
"Reparative Therapy"
The National Association of Social Workers in its Policy Statement on Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Issues: "endorses policies in both the public and private sectors that ensure nondiscrimination; that are sensitive to the health and mental health needs of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people; and that promote an understanding of lesbian, gay, and bisexual cultures. Social stigmatization of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people is widespread and is a primary motivating factor in leading some people to seek sexual orientation changes." [Haldeman, D.C. (1994). The practice and ethics of sexual orientation conversion therapy. Journal of Counseling and Clinical Psychology, 62(2), 221-227.]
Sexual orientation conversion therapies assume that homosexual orientation is both pathological and freely chosen. No data demonstrate that reparative or conversion therapies are effective, and in fact they may be harmful. [Davison, G.C. (1991). Constructionism and morality in therapy for homosexuality. In J.C. Gonsiorek & J.D. Weinrich, Homosexuality: Research implications for public policy. Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications; Gonsiorek, J.C., & Weinrich, J.D. (1991). Homosexuality: Research implications for public policy. Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications; Haldeman, D.C. (1994)]. NASW believes social workers have the responsibility to clients to explain the prevailing knowledge concerning sexual orientation and the lack of data reporting positive outcomes with reparative therapy. NASW discourages social workers from providing treatments designed to change sexual orientation or from referring practitioners or programs that claim to do so. [Policy Statement: Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Issues. Approved by Delegate Assembly, August 1996. Social Work Speaks, 4th ed., NASW, 1997]
3)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Academy of Pediatrics
In an excerpt from their policy on Homosexuality and Adolescence (RE9332), the American Academy of Pediatrics states:
Summary of Physician Guidelines
Pediatricians should be aware that some of the youths in their care may be homosexual or have concerns about sexual orientation. Caregivers should provide factual, current, nonjudgmental information in a confidential manner. These youths may present to physicians seeking information about homosexuality, STDs, substance abuse, or various psychosocial difficulties. The pediatrician should ensure that each youth receives a thorough medical history and physical examination (including appropriate laboratory tests), as well as STD (including HIV) counseling and, if necessary, appropriate treatment. The health care professional should also be attentive to various potential psychosocial difficulties and offer counseling or refer for counseling when necessary.
The American Academy of Pediatrics reaffirms the physician's responsibility to provide comprehensive health care and guidance for all adolescents, including gay and lesbian adolescents and those young people struggling with issues of sexual orientation. The deadly consequences of AIDS and adolescent suicide underscore the critical need to address and seek to prevent the major physical and mental health problems that confront gay and lesbian youths in their transition to a healthy adulthood.
From Pediatrics, Vol. 92, No. 4 (October 1993, pp. 631-34).
"Reparative Therapy"
The American Academy of Pediatrics in its policy statement on Homosexuality and Adolescence states: "Confusion about sexual orientation is not unusual during adolescence. Counseling may be helpful for young people who are uncertain about their sexual orientation or for those who are uncertain about how to express their sexuality and might profit from an attempt at clarification through a counseling or psychotherapeutic initiative. Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation." [Policy Statement: Homosexuality and Adolescence, American Academy of Pediatrics, 1993.]
4)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Counseling Association
The American Counseling Association has a division called the "Association for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues in Counseling". Its mission is as follows:
Mission Statement
The mission of the Association for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues in Counseling is to educate mental health service providers about issues confronting gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) individuals. We believe that all individuals should be free to develop their full potential regardless of sexual orientation and gender identity, and that professional counselors must understand the unique ways gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered individuals experience inequality and injustice resulting from discrimination and prejudice.
From the mission statement for the Association for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues in Counseling.
"Reparative Therapy"
The American Counseling Association has adopted a resolution that states that it: "opposes portrayals of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation; and supports the dissemination of accurate information about sexual orientation, mental health, and appropriate interventions in order to counteract bias that is based on ignorance or unfounded beliefs about same-gender sexual orientation." [Resolution adopted by American Counseling Association Governing Council, March 1998.] Further, at its 1999 World Conference, ACA adopted a position opposing the promotion of "reparative therapy" as a "cure" for individuals who are homosexual. [Action by American Counseling Association Governing Council, April 1999.]
5)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Medical Association
In an excerpt from their Policy on the Health Care Needs of the Homosexual Population (H-160.991), the American Medical Association states:
Our AMA: (1) believes that the physician's nonjudgmental recognition of sexual orientation and behavior enhances the ability to render optimal patient care in health as well as in illness... With the help of the gay and lesbian community and through a cooperative effort between physician and the homosexual patient effective progress can be made in treating the medical needs of this particular segment of the population; (2) is committed to taking a leadership role in: (a) educating physicians on the current state of research in and knowledge of homosexuality and the need to take an adequate sexual history; these efforts should start in medical school, but must also be a part of continuing medical education; (b) educating physicians to recognize the physical and psychological needs of their homosexual patients; (c) encouraging the development of educational programs for homosexuals to acquaint them with the diseases for which they are at risk; (d) encouraging physicians to seek out local or national experts in the health care needs of gay men and lesbians so that all physicians will achieve a better understanding of the medical needs of this population; and (e) working with the gay and lesbian community to offer physicians the opportunity to better understand the medical needs of homosexual and bisexual patients; and (3) opposes, the use of "reparative" or "conversion" therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.
From H-160.991 Health Care Needs of the Homosexual Population.
6)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association
In an excerpt from their policy concerning homosexuality, the American Psychiatric Association states:
"What is Sexual Orientation?"
"Sexual orientation" is a term frequently used to describe a person"s romantic, emotional or sexual attraction to another person. A person attracted to another person of the same sex is said to have a homosexual orientation and may be called gay (both men and women) or lesbian. Individuals attracted to persons of the other sex are said to have a heterosexual orientation. Sexual orientation falls along a continuum and individuals who are attracted to
both men and women are said to be bisexual. Sexual orientation is different from gender identity, which refers to the internal sense of whether one is male or female. Sexual orientation is a relatively new concept. In fact, although same sex behavior has always existed, the idea of a homosexual identity or a homosexual person is only about 100 years old.
The concept of sexual orientation refers to more than sexual behavior. It includes feelings as well as identity. Some individuals may identify themselves as gay lesbian or bisexual without engaging in any sexual activity. Some people believe that sexual orientation is innate and fixed; however, sexual orientation develops across a person's lifetime. Individuals maybe become aware at different points in their lives that they are heterosexual, gay, lesbian,or bisexual.
Is Homosexuality A Mental Disorder?
No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder.
From the Fact Sheet on Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Issues (May 2000).
"Reparative Therapy"
The American Psychiatric Association in its position statement on Psychiatric Treatment and Sexual Orientation states: "The potential risks of 'reparative therapy' are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior, since therapist alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient. Many patients who have undergone 'reparative therapy' relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction. The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed." [Position Statement: Psychiatric Treatment and Sexual Orientation, American Psychiatric Association, 1998.]
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Nice touch trying to equate civil rights with Hitler's youth movement.
1)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Psychological Association
In an excerpt from their policy concerning homosexuality, the American Psychological Association states:
Attitudes Toward Homosexuality and Bisexuality
Guideline 1. Psychologists understand that homosexuality and bisexuality are not indicative of mental illness.
Guideline 2. Psychologists are encouraged to recognize how their attitudes and knowledge about lesbian, gay, and bisexual issues may be relevant to assessment and treatment and seek consultation or make appropriate referrals when indicated.
Guideline 3. Psychologists strive to understand the ways in which social stigmatization (i.e., prejudice, discrimination, and violence) poses risks to the mental health and well-being of lesbian, gay, and bisexual clients.
Guideline 4. Psychologists strive to understand how inaccurate or prejudicial views of homosexuality or bisexuality may affect the client's presentation in treatment and the therapeutic process.
From Guidelines for Psychotherapy with Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Clients.
Reparative Therapy
The American Psychological Association in its Resolution on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation, which is also endorsed by the National Association of School Psychologists, states: "That the American Psychological Association opposes portrayals of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation and supports the dissemination of accurate information about sexual orientation, and mental health, and appropriate interventions in order to counteract bias that is based in ignorance or unfounded beliefs about sexual orientation." [Resolution on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation, American Psychological Association, 1997.]
2)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the National Association of Social Workers
The National Association of Social Workers (NASW) has stated the following:
Social workers are guided by the NASW Code of Ethics which bans discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. . . NASW believes that non judgmental attitudes toward sexual orientation allow social workers to offer optimal support and services to lesbian and gay people. NASW affirms its commitment to work toward full social and legal acceptance of lesbian and gay people. The profession must also act to eliminate and prevent discriminatory statutes, policies, and actions that diminish the quality of life for lesbian and gay people and that force many to live their lives in the closet. (National Association of Social Workers: Lesbian and Gay Issues. Washington, DC, NASW Delegate Assembly, 1993.)
"Reparative Therapy"
The National Association of Social Workers in its Policy Statement on Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Issues: "endorses policies in both the public and private sectors that ensure nondiscrimination; that are sensitive to the health and mental health needs of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people; and that promote an understanding of lesbian, gay, and bisexual cultures. Social stigmatization of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people is widespread and is a primary motivating factor in leading some people to seek sexual orientation changes." [Haldeman, D.C. (1994). The practice and ethics of sexual orientation conversion therapy. Journal of Counseling and Clinical Psychology, 62(2), 221-227.]
Sexual orientation conversion therapies assume that homosexual orientation is both pathological and freely chosen. No data demonstrate that reparative or conversion therapies are effective, and in fact they may be harmful. [Davison, G.C. (1991). Constructionism and morality in therapy for homosexuality. In J.C. Gonsiorek & J.D. Weinrich, Homosexuality: Research implications for public policy. Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications; Gonsiorek, J.C., & Weinrich, J.D. (1991). Homosexuality: Research implications for public policy. Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications; Haldeman, D.C. (1994)]. NASW believes social workers have the responsibility to clients to explain the prevailing knowledge concerning sexual orientation and the lack of data reporting positive outcomes with reparative therapy. NASW discourages social workers from providing treatments designed to change sexual orientation or from referring practitioners or programs that claim to do so. [Policy Statement: Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Issues. Approved by Delegate Assembly, August 1996. Social Work Speaks, 4th ed., NASW, 1997]
3)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Academy of Pediatrics
In an excerpt from their policy on Homosexuality and Adolescence (RE9332), the American Academy of Pediatrics states:
Summary of Physician Guidelines
Pediatricians should be aware that some of the youths in their care may be homosexual or have concerns about sexual orientation. Caregivers should provide factual, current, nonjudgmental information in a confidential manner. These youths may present to physicians seeking information about homosexuality, STDs, substance abuse, or various psychosocial difficulties. The pediatrician should ensure that each youth receives a thorough medical history and physical examination (including appropriate laboratory tests), as well as STD (including HIV) counseling and, if necessary, appropriate treatment. The health care professional should also be attentive to various potential psychosocial difficulties and offer counseling or refer for counseling when necessary.
The American Academy of Pediatrics reaffirms the physician's responsibility to provide comprehensive health care and guidance for all adolescents, including gay and lesbian adolescents and those young people struggling with issues of sexual orientation. The deadly consequences of AIDS and adolescent suicide underscore the critical need to address and seek to prevent the major physical and mental health problems that confront gay and lesbian youths in their transition to a healthy adulthood.
From Pediatrics, Vol. 92, No. 4 (October 1993, pp. 631-34).
"Reparative Therapy"
The American Academy of Pediatrics in its policy statement on Homosexuality and Adolescence states: "Confusion about sexual orientation is not unusual during adolescence. Counseling may be helpful for young people who are uncertain about their sexual orientation or for those who are uncertain about how to express their sexuality and might profit from an attempt at clarification through a counseling or psychotherapeutic initiative. Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation." [Policy Statement: Homosexuality and Adolescence, American Academy of Pediatrics, 1993.]
4)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Counseling Association
The American Counseling Association has a division called the "Association for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues in Counseling". Its mission is as follows:
Mission Statement
The mission of the Association for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues in Counseling is to educate mental health service providers about issues confronting gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) individuals. We believe that all individuals should be free to develop their full potential regardless of sexual orientation and gender identity, and that professional counselors must understand the unique ways gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered individuals experience inequality and injustice resulting from discrimination and prejudice.
From the mission statement for the Association for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues in Counseling.
"Reparative Therapy"
The American Counseling Association has adopted a resolution that states that it: "opposes portrayals of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation; and supports the dissemination of accurate information about sexual orientation, mental health, and appropriate interventions in order to counteract bias that is based on ignorance or unfounded beliefs about same-gender sexual orientation." [Resolution adopted by American Counseling Association Governing Council, March 1998.] Further, at its 1999 World Conference, ACA adopted a position opposing the promotion of "reparative therapy" as a "cure" for individuals who are homosexual. [Action by American Counseling Association Governing Council, April 1999.]
5)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Medical Association
In an excerpt from their Policy on the Health Care Needs of the Homosexual Population (H-160.991), the American Medical Association states:
Our AMA: (1) believes that the physician's nonjudgmental recognition of sexual orientation and behavior enhances the ability to render optimal patient care in health as well as in illness... With the help of the gay and lesbian community and through a cooperative effort between physician and the homosexual patient effective progress can be made in treating the medical needs of this particular segment of the population; (2) is committed to taking a leadership role in: (a) educating physicians on the current state of research in and knowledge of homosexuality and the need to take an adequate sexual history; these efforts should start in medical school, but must also be a part of continuing medical education; (b) educating physicians to recognize the physical and psychological needs of their homosexual patients; (c) encouraging the development of educational programs for homosexuals to acquaint them with the diseases for which they are at risk; (d) encouraging physicians to seek out local or national experts in the health care needs of gay men and lesbians so that all physicians will achieve a better understanding of the medical needs of this population; and (e) working with the gay and lesbian community to offer physicians the opportunity to better understand the medical needs of homosexual and bisexual patients; and (3) opposes, the use of "reparative" or "conversion" therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.
From H-160.991 Health Care Needs of the Homosexual Population.
6)Official Statement Concerning Homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association
In an excerpt from their policy concerning homosexuality, the American Psychiatric Association states:
"What is Sexual Orientation?"
"Sexual orientation" is a term frequently used to describe a person"s romantic, emotional or sexual attraction to another person. A person attracted to another person of the same sex is said to have a homosexual orientation and may be called gay (both men and women) or lesbian. Individuals attracted to persons of the other sex are said to have a heterosexual orientation. Sexual orientation falls along a continuum and individuals who are attracted to
both men and women are said to be bisexual. Sexual orientation is different from gender identity, which refers to the internal sense of whether one is male or female. Sexual orientation is a relatively new concept. In fact, although same sex behavior has always existed, the idea of a homosexual identity or a homosexual person is only about 100 years old.
The concept of sexual orientation refers to more than sexual behavior. It includes feelings as well as identity. Some individuals may identify themselves as gay lesbian or bisexual without engaging in any sexual activity. Some people believe that sexual orientation is innate and fixed; however, sexual orientation develops across a person's lifetime. Individuals maybe become aware at different points in their lives that they are heterosexual, gay, lesbian,or bisexual.
Is Homosexuality A Mental Disorder?
No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder.
From the Fact Sheet on Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Issues (May 2000).
"Reparative Therapy"
The American Psychiatric Association in its position statement on Psychiatric Treatment and Sexual Orientation states: "The potential risks of 'reparative therapy' are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior, since therapist alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient. Many patients who have undergone 'reparative therapy' relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction. The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed." [Position Statement: Psychiatric Treatment and Sexual Orientation, American Psychiatric Association, 1998.]
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@46
These are the same folks who used to classify homosexuality as a mental disease.
They are not ones to let the current fad pass them by and are quick to jump on the PC bandwagon.
Be careful, when the tides of fad shift again they will be throwing you back in with the criminally insane...
These are the same folks who used to classify homosexuality as a mental disease.
They are not ones to let the current fad pass them by and are quick to jump on the PC bandwagon.
Be careful, when the tides of fad shift again they will be throwing you back in with the criminally insane...
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@ 49 Yes, certainly quick to "jump on." They just flip-flopped to our side a mere 36 years ago. Any moment they'll waffle back again. Those psychologists are so well-known for discarding mountains of peer-reviewed scientific studies for the "current fad."
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ah- the AMA.
Moral Giants, they.
Sworn to do no harm!
Can't bring themselves to start an IV in the arm of a convicted serial child murderer/rapist/torturer, can't be a part of capital punishment- wouldn't be right!
They don't mind, however,
slaughtering 800,000 babies a year.
ah- the AMA.
Moral Giants, they.
Sworn to do no harm!
Can't bring themselves to start an IV in the arm of a convicted serial child murderer/rapist/torturer, can't be a part of capital punishment- wouldn't be right!
They don't mind, however,
slaughtering 800,000 babies a year.
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mountains of PC shit, you mean.
Social science research is terribly difficult to get right,
terribly easy to fudge.
You can make a study prove just about anything you want it to, and they do.
mountains of PC shit, you mean.
Social science research is terribly difficult to get right,
terribly easy to fudge.
You can make a study prove just about anything you want it to, and they do.
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Has the AMA weighed in on the physical consequences of using the rectum as a sex organ? Seems the kind of thing the Medical profession might provide some objective counsel on. Maybe Golob could do a piece about it.
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@53, ask your girlfriend. I fucked her ass last night. BTW she needs some alum powder or something. She's loose as a goose.
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We should strive to emulate countries that only allow heterosexual marriage and punish homosexuality. They have proven themselves to be bastions of civilization on our planet. Countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan, Sierra Leone, Sudan and Mauritania. These are the examples we should follow.
Countries like Sweden, Belgium, Norway, Canada, Netherlands and Spain which allow gay marriage are falling apart at the seams. These are corrupt, depraved nations with zero birthrate. Their populations are racked by disease. All churches in these nations have been burnt to the ground, and priests are forced to perform gay "weddings" while suspended upside down from crosses. Their syphilitic leaders are engaged in constant political turmoil and their economies are the worst in the world. In fact, every magazine and the UN rank these countries as the closest possible thing to hell on Earth.
Allowing gays to "marry" will turn our great nation into a blistering, putrid hellhole just like Canada. We must not let gays have this "right"!!! And while we're at it, we need to make sex outside of marriage punishable by death, take all reproductive, marriage and sexual choices away from women, and make birth control illegal. Only in this way can we keep our country great.
Countries like Sweden, Belgium, Norway, Canada, Netherlands and Spain which allow gay marriage are falling apart at the seams. These are corrupt, depraved nations with zero birthrate. Their populations are racked by disease. All churches in these nations have been burnt to the ground, and priests are forced to perform gay "weddings" while suspended upside down from crosses. Their syphilitic leaders are engaged in constant political turmoil and their economies are the worst in the world. In fact, every magazine and the UN rank these countries as the closest possible thing to hell on Earth.
Allowing gays to "marry" will turn our great nation into a blistering, putrid hellhole just like Canada. We must not let gays have this "right"!!! And while we're at it, we need to make sex outside of marriage punishable by death, take all reproductive, marriage and sexual choices away from women, and make birth control illegal. Only in this way can we keep our country great.
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@51
thank you for pointing out the slaughter. "slaughtering 800,000 babies a year." Yes and that means there are about 500,000-800,000 WOMEN WHO ARE MURDERS who deserve to be executed in the electric chair for murdering. And about 1,000,000-2,000,000 aiders and abettors of murderesses, masquerading as "doctors" and "nurses" and "medical assistants." So that makes about what, 2-3 million people we should EXECUTE FOR MURDER.
Now let's add in their friends who helped pay for it, or drove them to the clinic, you know, that's aiding and abetting murder, too. So that would be about 5,000,000 of them that should be executed for crimes.
Pretty soon we'll see our nirvana, @51...pretty much everyone who lives in a city or is a liberal or who has education got an abortion or paid for one or helped some women get one so if we make abortion murder, then we can just EXECUTE ABOUT 50 MILLINO DEMOCRATS and we will win all the elections and when the RAPTURE COMES THERE WON'T BE ANY OF THOSE SINNERS LEFT hahahahahahahahaahha.
thank you for pointing out the slaughter. "slaughtering 800,000 babies a year." Yes and that means there are about 500,000-800,000 WOMEN WHO ARE MURDERS who deserve to be executed in the electric chair for murdering. And about 1,000,000-2,000,000 aiders and abettors of murderesses, masquerading as "doctors" and "nurses" and "medical assistants." So that makes about what, 2-3 million people we should EXECUTE FOR MURDER.
Now let's add in their friends who helped pay for it, or drove them to the clinic, you know, that's aiding and abetting murder, too. So that would be about 5,000,000 of them that should be executed for crimes.
Pretty soon we'll see our nirvana, @51...pretty much everyone who lives in a city or is a liberal or who has education got an abortion or paid for one or helped some women get one so if we make abortion murder, then we can just EXECUTE ABOUT 50 MILLINO DEMOCRATS and we will win all the elections and when the RAPTURE COMES THERE WON'T BE ANY OF THOSE SINNERS LEFT hahahahahahahahaahha.
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56, I told you to get off the fucking computer and come here and suck my dick. It's your dinner time.
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@57
You are being short sighted and greedy.
Sure, we can kill the abortionists, and get rid of a bunch of Democrats. But if we leave them in business they will themselves each kill several thousand Democrat babies every year. Patience, my friend...
You are being short sighted and greedy.
Sure, we can kill the abortionists, and get rid of a bunch of Democrats. But if we leave them in business they will themselves each kill several thousand Democrat babies every year. Patience, my friend...
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Troll with a thousand names, you really need to get a life. All this talking to yourself if pathetic.
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Whereas, American women as a group have not benefited from feminism, women's rights, matriarchy, socialism, nor the Nineteenth Amendment which gave women the right to vote, and
Whereas, American women did benefit greatly from the our nation's 2 century tradition of the predominate male vote, as women controlled 65% of the wealth in the nation which in the 1960s had the world's highest standard of living, and
Whereas, the predominate male vote was undermined by the Nineteenth Amendment, and
Whereas, the Nineteenth Amendment undermined family stability; placed 40% of our nation's children in fatherless households; removed the majority vote from men who pay the majority of taxes; caused national issues of serious concern to be decided by female emotionalism and 'compassion', and
Whereas, since the feminists met in Seneca Falls, the US divorce rate increased 50-fold from 0.1 to 5.0 divorces per 1,000 population, greatly undermining the ability of our nation to create and save that wealth--to the great detriment of women, and
Whereas, since the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified, the number of divorces in the US increased seven (7) fold, from 171,000 to 1,200,000 per year, while the population increased only 2.5 fold, and
Whereas, 50 million American women today remain unmarried, while 95% of them would have gained the benefits of secure marriages had it not been for this breakdown of families, and
Whereas, compared to married women, unmarried women have a 5-10 times higher probability of living in poverty, a 2-3 times higher probability of premature death, and an average 73% lower standard of living, representative of a significantly reduced condition and status which has not and cannot be corrected by government intervention, and
Whereas, children reared in single-mother and step-father households, compared to children reared in two-parent families, are more likely to go to prison by 8 times, to commit suicide by 5 times, to have behavioral problems by 20 times, to become rapists by 20 times, to run away by 32 times, to abuse chemical substances by 10 times, to drop out of high school by 9 times, to be seriously abused by 33 times, to be fatally abused by 73 times, to be one tenth as likely to get A's in school, to have a 44% higher mortality rate, and to have a 72% lower standard of living, and
Whereas, the Nineteenth Amendment is directly and solely responsible for: 29 major federal social experiments which have proven to be abject failures; wasting in just 3 decades more money on welfare than the total stock value of each Fortune 500 Corporation and each acre of US farm land combined at the same time the poverty rate in the US increased from 11.6% to 15.4%; implementing AFDC and enslaving black Americans to liberal political spending; implementing affirmative action which required a plebiscite to reject after 3 decades of US financial ruin; implementing failed experiments with women in the military and in once fine military academies; the two-time election of and widespread public support for William Jefferson Clinton, and
Whereas, with the Nineteenth Amendment, since the 1960s: 1) The divorce rate doubled. 2) The murder rate tripled as the solution rate for murders declined from 92% to 63%. 3) The value of the dollar declined 75% per the Consumer Price Index and 11 times per the gold standard (from $32/oz to $352/oz). 4) More was spent for welfare than the entire asset value of each Fortune 500 corporation and each acre of farm land, combined. 5) The percent of the world's autos supplied by the U.S. declined from 60% to 20% 6) The prison population increased four fold to a rate 5 times that of China whom we accuse of human rights abuses 7) The average weight of an American increased 25 pounds. 8) The percent of American men of marriageable age who remain unmarried increased from 23.2% to 50%, 9) SAT scores declined 98 points, and
Whereas, with the Nineteenth Amendment, since the 1970s: 1) GDP per worker declined 70% per the gold standard, 2) The savings rate declined to less than 0.4% (versus 34% in Japan ), 3) Public Debt increased 8 fold to $5.5 Trillion making the U.S. is the largest debtor nation in world history, 4) More than 32 million babies were aborted, 5) Cocaine use rose 45% in spite of the world's strictest "drug war" and a 10 fold increase in criminal justice system expenditures (which now exceed the budget for national defense), 6) The trade deficit increased from $12 Billion in the black to $123 Billion in the red, 7) Government spending as a percent of the average American's income exceeds 42% and is rising, compared to 20% in Japan and 24% in the U.S. 3 during the height of WWII, 8) Drunk driving arrests are up 5 fold while the motor vehicle fatality rate increased from 30% lower than Germany's to 45% higher in the same period, 9) Health services costs are up 8 fold and the paperwork required to meet government regulations costs 3% of GDP. 10)"a 560% increase in violent crime, a 419% increase in illegitimate births, a 3000% increase in single-parent households, and a drop of almost 80 points in SAT scores." (source: The Guardian), 11) The percent of children living with married parents declined from 39% to 26%, 12) The amount of time per day that children watch TV increased from 5 hours to 7 hours, 13) The number of the world's Top 52 Banks which were U.S. declined from 22 to only three (with assets of $720 Billion while 24 were Japanese with assets of $6,000 Billion), 14) The number of lawyers increased to 64 times more lawyers than Japan has, while Japan now has 4 times as many engineers, 15) The ratio of manufacturing employees to government employees declined from 2.5:1 to less than 1:1, 16) US Personal Savings declined to $203 Billion while Japan has $25,000 Billion (that is $25 Trillion) in their savings ,17) The net worth of the nation declined by $7.8 trillion at the same time that the net worth of Japan increased by $22.4 trillion, and
Whereas, feminist education policies advanced by the Nineteenth Amendment caused: real SAT Scores in the US to decline 98 points in 3 decades; US 13 year olds to score higher than only one nation (Jordan) in IAEP Math out of 15 nations; US 9 year olds to score higher than only one nation (Jordan) in IAEP Math out of 15 nations; the US to score last in IAEP Science out of 7 nations; US 12th graders to score higher than only South Africa and Cyprus out of 21 nations taking the TIMSS test; California and Lousiana to score last in the nation in NAEP Reading; the cost per student of California's education system to be higher than half of the other states; the US to spend more per student for education than 15 out of 18 nations; this poor education quality and high education cost to be true even with class sizes smaller than 14 of 19 nations; California to be in 37th place in graduation rates in the US, graduating less than two thirds of its students while Japan graduates 97% of theirs; YET 98% of the top fiftieth percentile of the Graduate Record Exam are men, and only 2% are women, and
Whereas, systematic discrimination against men permitted by the Nineteenth Amendment is so pervasive that: 1) Women hold 65% of the country's wealth, and men only 35%, 2) Women receive custody of 92% of the children of divorce and illegitimacy, and men only 4%, 3) Men constitute 60% of workplace hours, work longer hours, work harder, and are more qualified, rarely file sexual discrimination or harassment lawsuits or take pregnancy leave, yet earn only 42% more than women, 4) Men commit suicide at a rate 4.6 times higher than women, are murdered at a rate 5 times that of women, are 97% of workplace fatalities, and have a life expectancy seven (7) years shorter than women, yet receive only 35% of government expenditures for health care and medical costs, 5) Men are discriminated against by design through affirmative action, 6) Men pay 115% of federal income taxes, 7) The increase in the number of female voters to 11.1% more than male voters eliminated male choice as to how the male tax dollar would be spent, 8) Men, not women, fight and die in battle without complaint while women sue the taxpayer for $millions when a colleague--not the taxpayer--pinches their butt, 9) Women are acquitted of spousal murder at a rate 9 times that of men, 10) Men are sentenced 2.8 times longer than women for the same crime, 11) Fathers are 97% of "child support" collections prosecutions, and women only 3%, 12) Men are the recipients of less than 10% of welfare disbursements, 13) Men are now only 45% of college admissions, and women are 55%, 14) Women have 200 all-female colleges and men have not one single all-male college, 15) 58% of domestic physical altercations are initiated by the female, a fact ignored by Congress when it passed the Violence AgainstWomen Act, 16) Mothers commit 55% of child murders and biological commit 6%, yet the Nineteenth Amendment permitted children to be systematically removed from their biological --their safest, most secure, most enriching environment, 17) A majority of the $1.7 Trillion federal budget supports and encourages continued family breakdown, even though the US Surgeon General notes that divorce is more harmful to a man's health than smoking tobacco, and
Whereas, the Nineteenth Amendment is a violation of my Christian or religious beliefs.
We the undersigned, hereby demand that the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads:
* AMENDMENT XIX Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
shall be repealed.
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Whereas, American women did benefit greatly from the our nation's 2 century tradition of the predominate male vote, as women controlled 65% of the wealth in the nation which in the 1960s had the world's highest standard of living, and
Whereas, the predominate male vote was undermined by the Nineteenth Amendment, and
Whereas, the Nineteenth Amendment undermined family stability; placed 40% of our nation's children in fatherless households; removed the majority vote from men who pay the majority of taxes; caused national issues of serious concern to be decided by female emotionalism and 'compassion', and
Whereas, since the feminists met in Seneca Falls, the US divorce rate increased 50-fold from 0.1 to 5.0 divorces per 1,000 population, greatly undermining the ability of our nation to create and save that wealth--to the great detriment of women, and
Whereas, since the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified, the number of divorces in the US increased seven (7) fold, from 171,000 to 1,200,000 per year, while the population increased only 2.5 fold, and
Whereas, 50 million American women today remain unmarried, while 95% of them would have gained the benefits of secure marriages had it not been for this breakdown of families, and
Whereas, compared to married women, unmarried women have a 5-10 times higher probability of living in poverty, a 2-3 times higher probability of premature death, and an average 73% lower standard of living, representative of a significantly reduced condition and status which has not and cannot be corrected by government intervention, and
Whereas, children reared in single-mother and step-father households, compared to children reared in two-parent families, are more likely to go to prison by 8 times, to commit suicide by 5 times, to have behavioral problems by 20 times, to become rapists by 20 times, to run away by 32 times, to abuse chemical substances by 10 times, to drop out of high school by 9 times, to be seriously abused by 33 times, to be fatally abused by 73 times, to be one tenth as likely to get A's in school, to have a 44% higher mortality rate, and to have a 72% lower standard of living, and
Whereas, the Nineteenth Amendment is directly and solely responsible for: 29 major federal social experiments which have proven to be abject failures; wasting in just 3 decades more money on welfare than the total stock value of each Fortune 500 Corporation and each acre of US farm land combined at the same time the poverty rate in the US increased from 11.6% to 15.4%; implementing AFDC and enslaving black Americans to liberal political spending; implementing affirmative action which required a plebiscite to reject after 3 decades of US financial ruin; implementing failed experiments with women in the military and in once fine military academies; the two-time election of and widespread public support for William Jefferson Clinton, and
Whereas, with the Nineteenth Amendment, since the 1960s: 1) The divorce rate doubled. 2) The murder rate tripled as the solution rate for murders declined from 92% to 63%. 3) The value of the dollar declined 75% per the Consumer Price Index and 11 times per the gold standard (from $32/oz to $352/oz). 4) More was spent for welfare than the entire asset value of each Fortune 500 corporation and each acre of farm land, combined. 5) The percent of the world's autos supplied by the U.S. declined from 60% to 20% 6) The prison population increased four fold to a rate 5 times that of China whom we accuse of human rights abuses 7) The average weight of an American increased 25 pounds. 8) The percent of American men of marriageable age who remain unmarried increased from 23.2% to 50%, 9) SAT scores declined 98 points, and
Whereas, with the Nineteenth Amendment, since the 1970s: 1) GDP per worker declined 70% per the gold standard, 2) The savings rate declined to less than 0.4% (versus 34% in Japan ), 3) Public Debt increased 8 fold to $5.5 Trillion making the U.S. is the largest debtor nation in world history, 4) More than 32 million babies were aborted, 5) Cocaine use rose 45% in spite of the world's strictest "drug war" and a 10 fold increase in criminal justice system expenditures (which now exceed the budget for national defense), 6) The trade deficit increased from $12 Billion in the black to $123 Billion in the red, 7) Government spending as a percent of the average American's income exceeds 42% and is rising, compared to 20% in Japan and 24% in the U.S. 3 during the height of WWII, 8) Drunk driving arrests are up 5 fold while the motor vehicle fatality rate increased from 30% lower than Germany's to 45% higher in the same period, 9) Health services costs are up 8 fold and the paperwork required to meet government regulations costs 3% of GDP. 10)"a 560% increase in violent crime, a 419% increase in illegitimate births, a 3000% increase in single-parent households, and a drop of almost 80 points in SAT scores." (source: The Guardian), 11) The percent of children living with married parents declined from 39% to 26%, 12) The amount of time per day that children watch TV increased from 5 hours to 7 hours, 13) The number of the world's Top 52 Banks which were U.S. declined from 22 to only three (with assets of $720 Billion while 24 were Japanese with assets of $6,000 Billion), 14) The number of lawyers increased to 64 times more lawyers than Japan has, while Japan now has 4 times as many engineers, 15) The ratio of manufacturing employees to government employees declined from 2.5:1 to less than 1:1, 16) US Personal Savings declined to $203 Billion while Japan has $25,000 Billion (that is $25 Trillion) in their savings ,17) The net worth of the nation declined by $7.8 trillion at the same time that the net worth of Japan increased by $22.4 trillion, and
Whereas, feminist education policies advanced by the Nineteenth Amendment caused: real SAT Scores in the US to decline 98 points in 3 decades; US 13 year olds to score higher than only one nation (Jordan) in IAEP Math out of 15 nations; US 9 year olds to score higher than only one nation (Jordan) in IAEP Math out of 15 nations; the US to score last in IAEP Science out of 7 nations; US 12th graders to score higher than only South Africa and Cyprus out of 21 nations taking the TIMSS test; California and Lousiana to score last in the nation in NAEP Reading; the cost per student of California's education system to be higher than half of the other states; the US to spend more per student for education than 15 out of 18 nations; this poor education quality and high education cost to be true even with class sizes smaller than 14 of 19 nations; California to be in 37th place in graduation rates in the US, graduating less than two thirds of its students while Japan graduates 97% of theirs; YET 98% of the top fiftieth percentile of the Graduate Record Exam are men, and only 2% are women, and
Whereas, systematic discrimination against men permitted by the Nineteenth Amendment is so pervasive that: 1) Women hold 65% of the country's wealth, and men only 35%, 2) Women receive custody of 92% of the children of divorce and illegitimacy, and men only 4%, 3) Men constitute 60% of workplace hours, work longer hours, work harder, and are more qualified, rarely file sexual discrimination or harassment lawsuits or take pregnancy leave, yet earn only 42% more than women, 4) Men commit suicide at a rate 4.6 times higher than women, are murdered at a rate 5 times that of women, are 97% of workplace fatalities, and have a life expectancy seven (7) years shorter than women, yet receive only 35% of government expenditures for health care and medical costs, 5) Men are discriminated against by design through affirmative action, 6) Men pay 115% of federal income taxes, 7) The increase in the number of female voters to 11.1% more than male voters eliminated male choice as to how the male tax dollar would be spent, 8) Men, not women, fight and die in battle without complaint while women sue the taxpayer for $millions when a colleague--not the taxpayer--pinches their butt, 9) Women are acquitted of spousal murder at a rate 9 times that of men, 10) Men are sentenced 2.8 times longer than women for the same crime, 11) Fathers are 97% of "child support" collections prosecutions, and women only 3%, 12) Men are the recipients of less than 10% of welfare disbursements, 13) Men are now only 45% of college admissions, and women are 55%, 14) Women have 200 all-female colleges and men have not one single all-male college, 15) 58% of domestic physical altercations are initiated by the female, a fact ignored by Congress when it passed the Violence AgainstWomen Act, 16) Mothers commit 55% of child murders and biological commit 6%, yet the Nineteenth Amendment permitted children to be systematically removed from their biological --their safest, most secure, most enriching environment, 17) A majority of the $1.7 Trillion federal budget supports and encourages continued family breakdown, even though the US Surgeon General notes that divorce is more harmful to a man's health than smoking tobacco, and
Whereas, the Nineteenth Amendment is a violation of my Christian or religious beliefs.
We the undersigned, hereby demand that the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads:
* AMENDMENT XIX Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
shall be repealed.
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My apologies for being away for such a long time. Seth and I have been very busy over the last few months, what with work, taking care of ourselves, our cuckold relationship with Jordan, and then we went on a short vacation at the beginning of the summer. Our vacation was wonderful, and after these few months with Jordan, we invited him to go with us on our vacation so that we could experience more of him while away from the confines of our city. Jordan relented at first, wanting to give us time to ourselves, but we all knew that I would find another lover while there anyway, so why shouldn’t he go and have fun with us? He finally gave in. What man wouldn’t give in when he has a sexy woman like me to sleep with? Seth has really enjoyed watching us together, having sex, being loved by someone else other than him. It has been over a year since Jordan and I had met over dinner and I thought it was best to kick off our first year correctly since our first cuckold experience together. We decided to go to Hawaii for our vacation and it was so beautiful. I had purchased a sexy black bikini that made my skin look so tan, and Jordan could not keep his hands off me or his cock away from me. On the flight over to Hawaii, I just had to tease his cock, but of course, I couldn’t give him what he really wanted, until we got to our destination. Seth looked a little jealous at first, but after a while of watching Jordan with his hands all over me, Seth let his cock take over.
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Loveschild @43, you seem terribly concerned about what you call "zero reproductive count" which I assume refers to your belief that gay couples do not reproduce. Let's leave aside for the sake of argument the same sex couples who adopt or have children through artificial insemination and the like. Are you seriously concerned about the human race dying out because some people (gay and straight, BTW) are choosing not to have children? Are 7 billion people not enough for you?
I think the human race has more to fear from some sort of environmental disaster or from some whack job getting hold of nuclear weapons. If you put half as much energy into stopping, for example, global warming as you do in your crusade against gay marriage you would accomplish more in the way of ensuring the survival of our species.
You also mention various diseases associated with same sex marriage. It has now been five years since Massachusetts legalized it. Please provide some statistics that support your opinion that Massachusetts now has higher incidences of AIDS, syphilis, beriberi, Dutch Elm disease, or whatever than other states where only straights can legally marry.
Finally, just a reminder that you do not speak for all people of faith. You certainly don't speak for me.
I think the human race has more to fear from some sort of environmental disaster or from some whack job getting hold of nuclear weapons. If you put half as much energy into stopping, for example, global warming as you do in your crusade against gay marriage you would accomplish more in the way of ensuring the survival of our species.
You also mention various diseases associated with same sex marriage. It has now been five years since Massachusetts legalized it. Please provide some statistics that support your opinion that Massachusetts now has higher incidences of AIDS, syphilis, beriberi, Dutch Elm disease, or whatever than other states where only straights can legally marry.
Finally, just a reminder that you do not speak for all people of faith. You certainly don't speak for me.
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The whole "gays can't reproduce!" meme is moronic. Marriage is about property rights and social stability. It's not about children.
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"They don't mind, however, slaughtering 800,000 babies a year."
Let's try for 1,600,000 a year! We can do it! USA! USA! USA!
Let's try for 1,600,000 a year! We can do it! USA! USA! USA!
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68 Public health:
"The Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is “married” to another man. In 2007 he told a crowd of kids at a state-sponsored youth event that it’s “wonderful being gay” and he wants to make sure there’s enough HIV testing available for all of them.
Since homosexual marriage became “legal” the rates of HIV / AIDS have gone up considerably in Massachusetts. This year public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has risen by $500,000. As the homosexual lobby group MassEquality wrote to their supporters after successfully persuading the Legislature to spend that money: "With the rate of HIV infections rising dramatically in Massachusetts, it's clear the fight against AIDS is far from over."
Citing “the right to marry” as one of the “important challenges” in a place where “it’s a great time to be gay”, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health helped produce The Little Black Book, Queer in the 21st Century, a hideous work of obscene pornography which was given to kids at Brookline High School on April 30, 2005. Among other things, it gives “tips” to boys on how to perform oral sex on other males, masturbate other males, and how to “safely” have someone urinate on you for sexual pleasure. It also included a directory of bars in Boston where young men meet for anonymous sex."
"The Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is “married” to another man. In 2007 he told a crowd of kids at a state-sponsored youth event that it’s “wonderful being gay” and he wants to make sure there’s enough HIV testing available for all of them.
Since homosexual marriage became “legal” the rates of HIV / AIDS have gone up considerably in Massachusetts. This year public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has risen by $500,000. As the homosexual lobby group MassEquality wrote to their supporters after successfully persuading the Legislature to spend that money: "With the rate of HIV infections rising dramatically in Massachusetts, it's clear the fight against AIDS is far from over."
Citing “the right to marry” as one of the “important challenges” in a place where “it’s a great time to be gay”, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health helped produce The Little Black Book, Queer in the 21st Century, a hideous work of obscene pornography which was given to kids at Brookline High School on April 30, 2005. Among other things, it gives “tips” to boys on how to perform oral sex on other males, masturbate other males, and how to “safely” have someone urinate on you for sexual pleasure. It also included a directory of bars in Boston where young men meet for anonymous sex."
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In Botswana, there is no such thing as gay marriage, and in fact homosexual acts are illegal and punishable by law. The HIV prevalence rate among adults is almost 24%, the second highest in the world. Clearly Botswana holds the key to fighting HIV - ban gay marriage and make homosexuality illegal.
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68 69 To believe that marriage is not a public social contract that our society recognizes, encourages and protects for the purpose of human nation growth which can only come about reproduction is naive and ignoring human history.
No society has ever embraced the concept of homosexual marriage as the gay activist are now trying to promote because they have recognized the simple basic fault of that conduct, some may have been tolerant of homosexuals but never has any society encouraged it and given it the same pivotal position as heterosexual couplings which are the bearers of the future (through their ability to reproduce) for any society. The ability of couples (man and woman) to reproduce is at the core of the recognition of marriage by all societies.
No society has ever embraced the concept of homosexual marriage as the gay activist are now trying to promote because they have recognized the simple basic fault of that conduct, some may have been tolerant of homosexuals but never has any society encouraged it and given it the same pivotal position as heterosexual couplings which are the bearers of the future (through their ability to reproduce) for any society. The ability of couples (man and woman) to reproduce is at the core of the recognition of marriage by all societies.
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Loveschild is right. Look at this article:
Oh, wait... oops.
Married couples top HIV infection rates in Uganda: study
KAMPALA, Dec. 4 (Xinhua) -- A new study has indicated that the highest percentage of people contracting HIV/AIDS in Uganda are married couples, causing new concerns to health experts.
Apuuli Kihumuro, the director general of the Uganda AIDS Commission said, under the study carried out between 1996 and 2005, 42 percent of the 130,000 HIV new infections occurred within wedlock.
"The new infection rates in marital sex are appalling and we are trying to carry out a study to know why and what has caused marriage to have the higher infection rates," Kihumuro was quoted by Daily Monitor on Monday as saying.
Oh, wait... oops.
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@43: Sorry I was out having a glorious weekend, Loveschild, I wasn't able to see what fatuous arguments you were coming up with in my absence. Let me ask you this -- if gays don't get marriage rights, what keeps them from (if I take your homophobic reasoning as fact) continuing to not make babies and spread disease?
Your reasoning is, as usual, as full of holes as a pair of fishnet hose. Stop trying to impose your mythology on the business of the state.
Your reasoning is, as usual, as full of holes as a pair of fishnet hose. Stop trying to impose your mythology on the business of the state.
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The percentage of new HIV cases recorded among married couples in Thailand has increased from 38.7% of new diagnoses in 2005 to 40% of new diagnoses in 2006, according to a recent survey by Thailand's Department of Disease Control, Thailand's Nation reports.
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HIV/AIDS Florida
FLORIDA: 'Silent Far Too Long,' Churches Address AIDS
Michelle Bearden
Tampa Tribune (03.25.2009) - Friday, March 27, 2009
Friday is the launch date of a Tampa Bay affiliate of the National Black Leadership Commission on AIDS, a New York-based group that targets cities with high HIV/AIDS rates.
A daylong program at St. Lawrence Catholic Church's Higgins Hall will feature discussions of the disease's local impact, legislative measures, and an action plan, as well as personal testimony from people living with HIV/AIDS. The newly formed chapter plans to reach out to elected and religious officials, medical providers, business professionals, and social policy experts.
Florida's AIDS case rate, 21.7 cases per 100,000 residents, is almost twice that of the United States as a whole, 12.5 per 100,000. Hillsborough County has nearly 6,000 HIV/AIDS cases, and Pinellas County has around 3,500. But "you wouldn't know it in the church community," said the Rev. James Favorite, pastor of Tampa's Beulah Baptist Institutional Church.
HIV/AIDS is a taboo topic in religious circles, said Favorite. "We've looked at it as a disease of promiscuity. And when family members were affected, they felt too guilty to come and talk to their pastors about it," he said. "It's time to take the curtain off this mystery. We have to help save a person's physical life before we can save a soul."
Local religious leaders should work together in combating the disease, said Favorite. "[HIV/AIDS] affects every religion, every color," he said. "So we need collaboration across all religious lines. Whatever we're doing now in our community isn't working, so we have to find another way to turn this around. I think the church can make the impact we need."
HIV: Women's HIV Infections Primarily From Sex, Not Drugs
By Ed Susman,
Published: June 16, 2005
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
ATLANTA, June 16-Woman have become far more likely to contract HIV by having sex with a partner who is already infected than with contaminated needles used in drug abuse, CDC researchers reported here.
In 2003, however, about 71% of women with HIV were infected through heterosexual contact, Lisa Fitzpatrick, M.D., a CDC epidemiologist, reported at the National HIV Prevention Conference here. Nearly all the rest were infected by drug abuse practices.
In a report on how HIV affects women, Dr. Fitzpatrick and colleagues examined data on women and AIDS -- especially African American women and Latin women.
"Heterosexually active black and Latina women are disproportionately impacted by the HIV epidemic," Dr. Fitzpatrick said. About 67% of the women living with HIV in the United States are African Americans, and 16% are Latina. About 16% of infected women are Caucasian. Native American and Pacific Islanders make up the remaining 1%.
She said that most of the new infections among women with HIV occur in the south. That region is home to 29% of all the women in the nation, but is also where 76% of women with new HIV infections live.
Dr. Fitzpatrick said the high HIV rates correlate with the highest poverty rates, the most uninsured population, and the area with the fewest high school graduates
As the above articles suggest I don't think that the rise in reported HIV/AIDS cases can be directly attributed to same-sex marriage.
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FLORIDA: 'Silent Far Too Long,' Churches Address AIDS
Michelle Bearden
Tampa Tribune (03.25.2009) - Friday, March 27, 2009
Friday is the launch date of a Tampa Bay affiliate of the National Black Leadership Commission on AIDS, a New York-based group that targets cities with high HIV/AIDS rates.
A daylong program at St. Lawrence Catholic Church's Higgins Hall will feature discussions of the disease's local impact, legislative measures, and an action plan, as well as personal testimony from people living with HIV/AIDS. The newly formed chapter plans to reach out to elected and religious officials, medical providers, business professionals, and social policy experts.
Florida's AIDS case rate, 21.7 cases per 100,000 residents, is almost twice that of the United States as a whole, 12.5 per 100,000. Hillsborough County has nearly 6,000 HIV/AIDS cases, and Pinellas County has around 3,500. But "you wouldn't know it in the church community," said the Rev. James Favorite, pastor of Tampa's Beulah Baptist Institutional Church.
HIV/AIDS is a taboo topic in religious circles, said Favorite. "We've looked at it as a disease of promiscuity. And when family members were affected, they felt too guilty to come and talk to their pastors about it," he said. "It's time to take the curtain off this mystery. We have to help save a person's physical life before we can save a soul."
Local religious leaders should work together in combating the disease, said Favorite. "[HIV/AIDS] affects every religion, every color," he said. "So we need collaboration across all religious lines. Whatever we're doing now in our community isn't working, so we have to find another way to turn this around. I think the church can make the impact we need."
HIV: Women's HIV Infections Primarily From Sex, Not Drugs
By Ed Susman,
Published: June 16, 2005
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
ATLANTA, June 16-Woman have become far more likely to contract HIV by having sex with a partner who is already infected than with contaminated needles used in drug abuse, CDC researchers reported here.
In 2003, however, about 71% of women with HIV were infected through heterosexual contact, Lisa Fitzpatrick, M.D., a CDC epidemiologist, reported at the National HIV Prevention Conference here. Nearly all the rest were infected by drug abuse practices.
In a report on how HIV affects women, Dr. Fitzpatrick and colleagues examined data on women and AIDS -- especially African American women and Latin women.
"Heterosexually active black and Latina women are disproportionately impacted by the HIV epidemic," Dr. Fitzpatrick said. About 67% of the women living with HIV in the United States are African Americans, and 16% are Latina. About 16% of infected women are Caucasian. Native American and Pacific Islanders make up the remaining 1%.
She said that most of the new infections among women with HIV occur in the south. That region is home to 29% of all the women in the nation, but is also where 76% of women with new HIV infections live.
Dr. Fitzpatrick said the high HIV rates correlate with the highest poverty rates, the most uninsured population, and the area with the fewest high school graduates
As the above articles suggest I don't think that the rise in reported HIV/AIDS cases can be directly attributed to same-sex marriage.
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Gays should not be allowed to marry, because marriage prevents the spread of disease. If gays get married, they will spread disease. Or something. Wait. I'm confused.
Statistics indicate that nearly half of new infections in Kenya happen in married couples and the guidelines will aim at significantly reducing the worrying trend. Among the innovations in the new guidelines are door-to-door testing for HIV, self-testing, national HIV testing campaigns, added emphasis on couple and family testing and infant and child HIV diagnosis.
Gays should not be allowed to marry, because marriage prevents the spread of disease. If gays get married, they will spread disease. Or something. Wait. I'm confused.
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So, no marriage for you, you gays. If you're allowed to get married, you'll spread diseases, just like these married people.
Although the highest HIV rates are among poorer classes, the wealthiest South Africans were the only class where married couples had higher prevalence rates than their unmarried counterparts.
Whereas wealthy, unmarried people had an HIV prevalence rate of about 3,5 percent, in married people the figures nearly doubled, with a prevalence of about 6,5 percent.
So, no marriage for you, you gays. If you're allowed to get married, you'll spread diseases, just like these married people.
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Today is Sunday. I thought all you bat-shit crazy Xtians were supposed to be OBSERVING THE LORD'S DAY!
Is this how your God commands you to worship HIS sabbath?
I think some o' you's going to have a LOT of 'splainin' to do...
Is this how your God commands you to worship HIS sabbath?
I think some o' you's going to have a LOT of 'splainin' to do...
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84 Anything that informs peoples and goes against your views is construed by you as 'homophobic', that doesn't make it false though. But for as long as people like you and others here keep spreading misinformation and encouraging other to put their health at risk there will be others who state the facts on the ground and not some pseudo friend seeking psychology that has only served to lead many to their early graves.
No amount of HIV infection cases amongst heterosexuals (many which can be traced back to married men engaging in homosexual conducts) can be compared with the vast numbers of homosexuals infected with HIV and AIDS. And while its true that homosexuals who engage in these acts cannot be stopped from doing so the approval of gay marriages will only serve to give an aura of normalcy to what has been up to this point in human history a sub culture at best and will be tantamount to give a green light to the more people and especially youngsters to engage in such practices thereby becoming more susceptible to sexual transmitted infections and diseases.
No amount of HIV infection cases amongst heterosexuals (many which can be traced back to married men engaging in homosexual conducts) can be compared with the vast numbers of homosexuals infected with HIV and AIDS. And while its true that homosexuals who engage in these acts cannot be stopped from doing so the approval of gay marriages will only serve to give an aura of normalcy to what has been up to this point in human history a sub culture at best and will be tantamount to give a green light to the more people and especially youngsters to engage in such practices thereby becoming more susceptible to sexual transmitted infections and diseases.
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RainMan@68, well said, Sir!
Neither is Lovechild represents me. I am not a part of religionists,snobs and bigots. Jesus himself called those evil. Religion and faith are 2 different things.
I am straight woman, and a devoted christian. I am proud of my faith, as well as of my 2 great gay friends, who strive to be kind and helpful to abused and less fortunate, volunteer in Chicago inner city and show more christian love and humbless then those so called "christians" who treat them as "second class" and deny them human rights. The rights that those bigots themselves enjoy!
Neither is Lovechild represents me. I am not a part of religionists,snobs and bigots. Jesus himself called those evil. Religion and faith are 2 different things.
I am straight woman, and a devoted christian. I am proud of my faith, as well as of my 2 great gay friends, who strive to be kind and helpful to abused and less fortunate, volunteer in Chicago inner city and show more christian love and humbless then those so called "christians" who treat them as "second class" and deny them human rights. The rights that those bigots themselves enjoy!
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85: Doesn't make it true, either. Reading their website does prove them to be homophobes and hate mongers. But then, so are you. You do not like gays because they are gay and the sexual acts they do. You believe they are sinners and have turned their back on god. That would be the definition of what you are.
As for your HIV comments, can you please (like you ever would or could) document your assertion that "many [heterosexual HIV infections] can be traced back to married men engaging in homosexual conducts"? Of course not. Because it's not true. AIDS in the regions mentioned by "your army" is a terrible epidemic for everyone.
You are truly ill-informed and brutally stupid.
As for your HIV comments, can you please (like you ever would or could) document your assertion that "many [heterosexual HIV infections] can be traced back to married men engaging in homosexual conducts"? Of course not. Because it's not true. AIDS in the regions mentioned by "your army" is a terrible epidemic for everyone.
You are truly ill-informed and brutally stupid.
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Gender, HIV/AIDS Transmission and Impacts: A Review of Issues and Evidence
Sally Baden with Heike Wach - 1999
ISBN 1 85864 255 8
63 pages
Does the HIV/AIDS epidemic threaten women more and in different ways than men? Illustrated with case studies on Bangladesh, Brazil and Uganda, this report highlights that there are gender differences in vulnerability to HIV/AIDS. Women and girls' vulnerability is heightened by physiological factors, their economic and social dependence on men, lack of power in negotiating sexual behaviour and involvement in sex work. Women and girls are also carrying a large burden as principal carers for AIDS victims. Understanding of the different impact of HIV/AIDS on men and women is hampered by a lack of sex-disaggregated and consistently defined data. Improved data collection and analysis is vital for better understanding of the gendered social, cultural and economic forces underpinning sexual behaviour and their corresponding implications for HIV/AIDS. Worldwide, women represent 41 percent of people infected with HIV. The female: male ratio of infection varies by age and region, but on average women are infected at 5-10 years younger than men. Levels of female infection are highest in areas where overall rates are high and heterosexual transmission dominates such as in Sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean. However, there is a growing proportion of HIV-positive women in Latin America, and increasing infection amongst pregnant women in parts of Asia and Southern Africa.
Sally Baden with Heike Wach - 1999
ISBN 1 85864 255 8
63 pages
Does the HIV/AIDS epidemic threaten women more and in different ways than men? Illustrated with case studies on Bangladesh, Brazil and Uganda, this report highlights that there are gender differences in vulnerability to HIV/AIDS. Women and girls' vulnerability is heightened by physiological factors, their economic and social dependence on men, lack of power in negotiating sexual behaviour and involvement in sex work. Women and girls are also carrying a large burden as principal carers for AIDS victims. Understanding of the different impact of HIV/AIDS on men and women is hampered by a lack of sex-disaggregated and consistently defined data. Improved data collection and analysis is vital for better understanding of the gendered social, cultural and economic forces underpinning sexual behaviour and their corresponding implications for HIV/AIDS. Worldwide, women represent 41 percent of people infected with HIV. The female: male ratio of infection varies by age and region, but on average women are infected at 5-10 years younger than men. Levels of female infection are highest in areas where overall rates are high and heterosexual transmission dominates such as in Sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean. However, there is a growing proportion of HIV-positive women in Latin America, and increasing infection amongst pregnant women in parts of Asia and Southern Africa.
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HIV/AIDS is a human disease. HIV doesn't give a damn if your heterosexual or homosexual, it just wants a viable host.
Worldwide HIV & AIDS Statistics Commentary
Number of people living with HIV
According to estimates from the UNAIDS 2008 Report on the global AIDS epidemic, around 30.8 million adults and 2 million children were living with HIV at the end of 2007.
Number of people infected during 2007, and the number of deaths
During 2007, some 2.7 million people became infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), which causes AIDS.
The year also saw 2 million deaths from AIDS - a high global total, despite antiretroviral (ARV) therapy, which reduced AIDS-related deaths among those who received it. The number of deaths probably peaked around 2005, and has since declined only slightly.
How people become infected with HIV
Globally, around 11% of HIV infections are among babies who acquire the virus from their mothers; 10% result from injecting drug use; 5-10% are due to sex between men; and 5-10% occur in healthcare settings. Sex between men and women accounts for the remaining proportion – around two thirds of new infections.
Worldwide HIV & AIDS Statistics Commentary
Number of people living with HIV
According to estimates from the UNAIDS 2008 Report on the global AIDS epidemic, around 30.8 million adults and 2 million children were living with HIV at the end of 2007.
Number of people infected during 2007, and the number of deaths
During 2007, some 2.7 million people became infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), which causes AIDS.
The year also saw 2 million deaths from AIDS - a high global total, despite antiretroviral (ARV) therapy, which reduced AIDS-related deaths among those who received it. The number of deaths probably peaked around 2005, and has since declined only slightly.
How people become infected with HIV
Globally, around 11% of HIV infections are among babies who acquire the virus from their mothers; 10% result from injecting drug use; 5-10% are due to sex between men; and 5-10% occur in healthcare settings. Sex between men and women accounts for the remaining proportion – around two thirds of new infections.
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Loveschild, you know all about being ignorant of history. Every time you copy and paste some ax-grinding crap you expose your lack of knowledge and understanding of what marriage is and was. And every time Kim in Portland or anyone else posts facts that refute your statements, you never address them. Why? Because you can't.
On another topic, did Slog's moderator lose her or his job? Threads (not just this one) have been loaded with off-topic stuff that used to get deleted.
On another topic, did Slog's moderator lose her or his job? Threads (not just this one) have been loaded with off-topic stuff that used to get deleted.
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Loveschild's unbiased source of facts is massresistance.org. Here are a few headlines from their website:
"MassResistance allies with 22 pro-family groups across America to confront homosexual "Day of Silence" in public schools April 17"
"MassResistance helps stop "civil unions" bill in Hawaii Senate!"
"Loud homosexual activists disrupt and halt Don Feder speech at UMass Amherst, despite police presence"
"Common smear tactic: MassResistance declared "hate group" by extremist pro-homosexual "Southern Poverty Law Center"
"First day in office Obama begins deconstruction of society and traditional values"
And this little gem (caps are mine)
"POPE TELLS THE TRUTH ON DESTRUCTIVE NATURE OF HOMOSEXUALITY AND TRANSSEXUALITY"
Yep, clearly nothing anti-gay or homophobic on *that* web site. Looks like a sound source for facts. Not.
"MassResistance allies with 22 pro-family groups across America to confront homosexual "Day of Silence" in public schools April 17"
"MassResistance helps stop "civil unions" bill in Hawaii Senate!"
"Loud homosexual activists disrupt and halt Don Feder speech at UMass Amherst, despite police presence"
"Common smear tactic: MassResistance declared "hate group" by extremist pro-homosexual "Southern Poverty Law Center"
"First day in office Obama begins deconstruction of society and traditional values"
And this little gem (caps are mine)
"POPE TELLS THE TRUTH ON DESTRUCTIVE NATURE OF HOMOSEXUALITY AND TRANSSEXUALITY"
Yep, clearly nothing anti-gay or homophobic on *that* web site. Looks like a sound source for facts. Not.
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I have been involved in politics for quite a while but I can feel it. The anti-gay movement will come crashing down like the Berlin Wall. I try to think about what the segregationists were thinking 50 years ago but I can’t fathom it no matter how hard I try to see their perspective. Making blacks live separate from whites was pure evil and yet it was the majority opinion in certain places.
Ten years from now Loveschild will be looking back upon her life rationalizing her anti-gay activism as just being a part the era that was 2009. You will somehow be able to whip away the feelings of guilt for your sins against humanity by living in the present.
Ten years from now Loveschild will be looking back upon her life rationalizing her anti-gay activism as just being a part the era that was 2009. You will somehow be able to whip away the feelings of guilt for your sins against humanity by living in the present.
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So what you're saying is gays who want to enter into a life-long monogamous relationships will somehow end up promoting promiscuous behavior?
So what you're saying is gays who want to enter into a life-long monogamous relationships will somehow end up promoting promiscuous behavior?
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Are you even married Loveschild? If so where is your husband? Does he know your out bashing on a liberal website?
By the way, gay people don't have abortions. So at least we got that going for us, eh.
By the way, gay people don't have abortions. So at least we got that going for us, eh.
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I'm very happy that Vermont and Iowa legalized gay marriage. However, that makes me even more ashamed to be a Californian. I voted against Prop 8, I urged my friends to do the same, but I never seriously thought it would pass. I thought "This is California, such a liberal state. Why haven't we done this before?" Boy, did I get a wake-up call. The pure joy I felt at Obama's victory on election night was tainted by what happened with Prop 8. At least I take solace that I live in a county that overwhelmingly rejected it (north of SF), even as my bigoted state did the opposite.
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@80
This will please Dan to no end.
Because he thinks Black women deserve to get AIDS because they don't support gay marriage.
That may seem a little harsh but it is the price you pay for disagreeing with Dan.
This will please Dan to no end.
Because he thinks Black women deserve to get AIDS because they don't support gay marriage.
That may seem a little harsh but it is the price you pay for disagreeing with Dan.
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I hope Rich is right, but we need to get federal recognition for at least a few years before I'll believe it.
P.S> I would've loved to read this comment thread with only registered users displayed.
P.S> I would've loved to read this comment thread with only registered users displayed.
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Here is the formula for loveschilds comments:
if post A = obama, then loveschild comment = positive about obama
if post A = right-wingers, then loveschild comment = negative about right-wingers
if post A = gay marriage topic, then loveschild comment = teh gheys are evil
I knew, just by the nature of this post, that they last few comments would be Kim in Portland doing a fantastic job refuting the bullshit that loveschild posts on the gay marriage topic.
Loveschild, you are as predictable as you are wrong. Have you not even bothered to read up on all the factual information that Kim has provided you on a regular basis? Your argument has not evolved, whereas the argument against you only grows each and every day. How does that make someone like you feel?
if post A = obama, then loveschild comment = positive about obama
if post A = right-wingers, then loveschild comment = negative about right-wingers
if post A = gay marriage topic, then loveschild comment = teh gheys are evil
I knew, just by the nature of this post, that they last few comments would be Kim in Portland doing a fantastic job refuting the bullshit that loveschild posts on the gay marriage topic.
Loveschild, you are as predictable as you are wrong. Have you not even bothered to read up on all the factual information that Kim has provided you on a regular basis? Your argument has not evolved, whereas the argument against you only grows each and every day. How does that make someone like you feel?
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@85: Wow. Your argument is straight outta the 80s. I am almost sorry for your ignorance, but at the same time you have found "the internet" so your only excuse for being so damn uneducated is laziness. Christ.
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