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Tuesday, April 14, 2009

Yeah, OK, But...

Posted by on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:52 AM

I hear you, Sam, and I'm totally with you: It's insane that Amazon, sweet, goofy, drunk-on-success Amazon, is so robotic and officious in dealing with the world of human beings. But in my late-night, unable-to-sleep, probably-too-drunk-to-be-up-sitting-at-the-computer-Slogging-but-whatever state, I must interject: Isn't it kind of a misfire to automatically fault companies for wanting to make money? Is it some insanely right-wing proposition that corporations start up with the express purpose of making money, giving products and services to people who want them, paying their employees so their employees can buy food and shelter and iPods and find a mate and be productive and happy people, or raise productive and happy families, or give their money to the causes of literacy or marine biology or art, or if they really strike it rich then invest in a world-class soccer team or fund HIV research or whatever and so on and so forth? You write: "This whole escapade illuminates the issue that Amazon is a money-first corporation"—um, that's what corporations are—"that only acts when the bottom line is threatened." Hm. So you're making an argument against the free market?

Cuz, like, the thing Amazon does? It's a pretty amazing thing, when you think about it. You have two choices: (1) you can get in your car and go to the store to get something, or (2) you can sit down in your own home in front of a magic but intuitively designed portal that remembers who you are, shows you everything you could want to know about a product, including what other people who bought it thought of it, and then at the click of a button will send you whatever it is cheaper than you could get it if you went out and got it yourself.

At least Amazon isn't, like, say, the banking system—the banking system is totally insane. They invent money, and then they charge you all this money to borrow money, just penalize and penalize and penalize you with interest, and if you can't keep up they'll swallow your house, or your car, or whatever you have, and then they take huge risks with that money/house/car they've sucked out of you until the whole system collapses, and then they just invent more money out of thin air to charge you exorbitantly for, with pretty much no fundamental/final/appropriate repercussions for what they've done to you and everyone, or even much discussion of how fucking weird it is that they just get to make up money when they need it. As far as I understand from reading the paper lately—and I fully admit that sometimes I only half understand, or downright do not understand at all—the banking system is a bureaucracy built out of entities who move paper around and make stuff up.

At least Amazon does something tangible and good—making a video camera or a vacuum or every book Mary McCarthy ever wrote appear at my door—and makes that process cost me less time and money than it used to. If they were better to their customers, would that make them a better company? Yes. And would that make them more money? Yes, yes it would.

UPDATE/CLARIFICATION: I agree exactly with most of what Sam's saying. I'm just picking on one slight semantical issue because I saw an easy way to get from there to my current rage at the abstract, punish-everyone-else, make-up-new-wisdom-to-reward-the-people-who've-already-been-rewarded banking industry (and like I said, I'm drunk). But Sam writes in an email, "If not for the Twitter splosion, Amazon may have never considered this issue cost-effective to address." That's true, and a more important point than the sideways point I'm making.

 

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1
Huzzah for nocturnal slogging!
Posted by Nay on April 14, 2009 at 2:58 AM
2
Jesus H Christ people, how many people on this planet live in miserable poverty and all you can bitch about is how one company made an insignificant mistake surrounding an insignificant part of its business? Get a life.
Posted by Untwist 'em on April 14, 2009 at 5:03 AM
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Ok, so here's the latest:

My response to their original "glitch" message:

Original message: ---- CUSTOMER: Jill ----------COMM ID:buhwbbyf3476826925EMAIL: singingcynic@hotmail.comCOMMENTS: Until you publicly explain how a "glitch" caused such a problem, I am afraid I will still have to delete my wedding registry and my amazon.com account. Please do so immediately.

Their reply:

Hello, This is an embarrassing and ham-fisted cataloging error for a company that prides itself on offering complete selection. It has been misreported that the issue was limited to Gay & Lesbian themed titles - in fact, it impacted 57,310 books in a number of broad categories such as Health, Mind & Body, Reproductive & Sexual Medicine, and Erotica. This problem impacted books not just in the United States but globally. It affected not just sales rank but also had the effect of removing the books from Amazon's main product search. Many books have now been fixed and we're in the process of fixing the remainder as quickly as possible, and we intend to implement new measures to make this kind of accident less likely to occur in the future. Thanks for contacting us. We hope to see you again soon. Please let us know if this e-mail resolved your question: If yes, click here: http://www.amazon.com/rsvp-y?c=curwrvuf3… not, click here: http://www.amazon.com/rsvp-n?c=curwrvuf3… Please note: this e-mail was sent from an address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. To contact us about an unrelated issue, please visit the Help section of our web site. Best regards, RishiAmazon.comWe're Building Earth's Most Customer-Centric Companyhttp://www.amazon.com/your-account ----
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Posted by singingcynic on April 14, 2009 at 5:12 AM
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Considering that Amazon is largely responsible for the death of independent bookstores (by skimming business from them) and the death of the publishing industry (by forcing them to sell to them at massive discounts if they want to sell their books listed on Amazonopoly), then, yeah, I have a problem with them.
Posted by trstr on April 14, 2009 at 5:14 AM
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Aww, you're cute when you're drunk.
Posted by :) on April 14, 2009 at 5:26 AM
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@2 What about the children? THE CHILDREN!!!

A fine point, bravo. I'm going to stop jerking off to internet porn and go save the world's children. Thanks for helping me see "the way".
Posted by cw on April 14, 2009 at 5:45 AM
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As a former technology worker, I can totally understand how this could happen. A database is only as good as the designer who designed it and, despite the high esteem they hold themselves in, a lot of developers aren't all that hot.

As far as Amazon driving out the small bookstores and killing the publishers, that's the nature of the world. If it hadn't been Amazon it would have been someone else. Just be glad it happened here in Seattle.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on April 14, 2009 at 6:26 AM
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I'm in agreement with #4. Amazon does remove the "human" element from all transactions of your choosing, and eliminates independent bookstores. I would imagine that Paul will be slapping you in the face this morning, given that you advocated, if not directly, the use of Amazon for book purchasing.
Posted by Jon Brock on April 14, 2009 at 8:04 AM
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I note this morning that, despite Amazon's claims to the contrary, catalog searching and dozens of previous rank-delisted titles are still incorrect.
Posted by Simac on April 14, 2009 at 8:09 AM
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We are not fooled.
Amazon is a willing tool of Religious Right Homophobic Bigots!
It is a vast conspiracy to oppress gays!!
Everyone is OUT TO GET US!!!
Posted by credulous slog regular HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA on April 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM
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But if it made Amazon more money to delist or obfuscate gay books they would and they could because they've become not-quite-a-monopoly, but something frighteningly close to it.

Like Walmart -- smart economists, is there a word for a business that has so much control over a market that they come to drive and control related industries?

I think what the incident proves is how dangerous monopolistic power is and why it makes sense to support Sony's eReader or other alternatives to the Kindle. If Amazon has a complete stranglehold on eBooks, which mights be the only kind of book in the not too distant future... well, then we have a problem. This was our wake up call.
Posted by Jigae on April 14, 2009 at 8:34 AM
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Christopher, I'm surprised you would be so outraged by businesses screwing around with money and fucking people over. After all, hasn't that been your policy with freelancers for quite some time?
Posted by fuck you on April 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM
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Jigae: One framework that business folks use is Porter's Five Forces, a framework created in the 70s by Michael Porter of the Harvard Business School. Amazon, Walmart, Microsoft, and other monopolies enjoy high bargaining power of customers (Amazon is the customer of the publishers). These firms use their high bargaining power to extract favorable prices from suppliers, which helps them cement their cost advantages and creates a barrier to entry for competitors. It's a neat trick if you can manage it. There are other frameworks but Porter's is probably the best known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive…
Posted by David from Chicago on April 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM
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@13: Thank you sir -- I will read up on this later today, possibly while watching a matinee of "The High Cost of Low Prices."
Posted by Jigae on April 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM
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Chris, your use of the Banking situation in comparing / contrasting Amazon's 'plight' and 'magic' is entirely insulting to those in publishing and bookselling--- and as the former book editor, wherein you were allowed & welcomed into the inner circles of Indie publishing & bookselling, your comments (drunk posting doesn't excuse anything) rankle me even more. Several commentors above have outlined dangers of Amazon's monopoly so I won't retread here... but damn! That was a stupid post...
Posted by Vlad on April 14, 2009 at 10:47 AM
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the mob observation is astute... some people still are questioning the story amazon is providing even though it seems legit...
Posted by infrequent on April 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM
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Vlad -- I'm not saying Amazon is a better book-buying experience than an independent bookstore. I'm saying that companies that actually provide useful, tangible services are more worthwhile than companies that exist to, like, take away houses (like the one I grew up in) from people (like my mom) screwed over by predatory, abstract banking practices.
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on April 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM
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@17: But banks also helped people (like your mom) to buy houses (like the one you grew up in) -- I wouldn't say that banks primarily "do good" but they do offer valuable services on the way to making obscene profit.
Posted by Jigae on April 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM

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