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Thursday, April 9, 2009

Homo The Latest On the Gay Marriage Front—Wait, You've Gotta Be Shitting Me...

Posted by Dan Savage on Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Dr. Laura came out in favor of same-sex commitments? Not same-sex marriage—not yet—but Dr. Laura said that same-sex couples committing to each other is a "beautiful thing"? Wait, where did she say that? On Larry King Live? REALLY?

Really.

We're winning.

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Shut up.

Posted by If Dr Laura cares, nobody cares on April 10, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Holy fucking shit Christ Robert Mapplethorpe pissing Jesus. Dr. Laura just endorsed my commitment to my boyfriend? Dr. fucking Laura? Wow.

Posted by Partly Cloudy on April 10, 2009 at 1:01 AM

and Larry King better not say one fucking word ever about the sanctity of marriage and how teh gays might fuck it up for straights.

Posted by gnossos on April 10, 2009 at 1:51 AM

For me Dr. Laura crossed the line so long ago she's a ways to swim before she returns to my good graces, but for once it is good to see a neo-con expressing loyalty to a principle rather than blindly to a group.

Ah, found it...for whoever wants a modest bit of refreshment (and a reminder that not all Christians are blind -- perhaps even not most): Peter Gomes on How Jesus would respond about gay marriage.

Found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sKaOszs3…

Posted by Uriel-238 on April 10, 2009 at 2:01 AM

As a straight male, I would rather get a hand job from Tom Petty than fuck (Dr.) Laura. That is sayin a lot.

Posted by It don't really matter to me on April 10, 2009 at 4:29 AM

This thing is a motherfucking snowball! Yes!

All because no one wants to be shown up by the quaint, cow-filled state of Iowa. ; )

Posted by The Cap'n on April 10, 2009 at 4:43 AM

Holy Shit, DR LAURA!!!

WOW!!, I mean really who knew she was still alive.

but it is good news though

Posted by Mickey in AR on April 10, 2009 at 5:54 AM

She has said some dumb things about gays, but she also always had them on her show, treated them well, and was kicked off a number of Christian stations for doing so and would not back down.

Posted by Now you Know on April 10, 2009 at 5:54 AM

I used to listen to her show a LOT in the mid-90s and her position then was that gays were (I'm paraphrasing) "born that way, not made that way" and yes, she had plenty of them call her up with problems and she'd just hold them to her same good conduct standards for straights -- committed relationship, no cheating, etc.

Posted by Chefgirl on April 10, 2009 at 6:08 AM

You don't really believe a word this bitch says do you?

She's clearly looking for a way back into the public eye, and what better way than to go on Larry King with a new opinion about the gays?

I wouldn't trust this miserable hate-spewing cow until she unconditionally supports full marriage equality, appears at several gay rights events, and releases a full apology and repudiation of all of her past hate speech.

Until then, she's Rush Limbaugh in drag after lipo.

Posted by Roscoe on April 10, 2009 at 6:14 AM

When I first listened to Dr. Laura back in the 90's, before she became a Jew, (hasn't she since left Judaism?) She was for gay marriage. I remember her saying, when commenting on an article about a woman marrying a convicted murder on death row, "This couple can get married, and two committed gay men get trouble for walking down the street holding hands?" That was before she went totally insane, after which, I could no longer listen. Maybe she coming out of her mental illness?

Posted by Rob in Baltimore on April 10, 2009 at 6:28 AM

Not even fundies really listen to half the stuff she says-- they just love that she makes liberals really mad and/or suddenly hopeful over nothing.

Posted by Baconcat on April 10, 2009 at 6:45 AM

Well, but this isn't the only thing that's changing. I know a lot of states that have had amendments passed to their constitution have started fighting back (in particular, the amendment in Wisconsin is trying to be brought to the state supreme court because it presented two issues in one), so even if Dr. Laura isn't that big of a deal, they're still losing.

Posted by P. on April 10, 2009 at 6:53 AM

Ditto. Here is Iowa's Senior Senator, the ever conservative farmer, Republican Charles Grassley, yesterday via a story in today's Des Moines Register.
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Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley declined to say today whether he agreed with Republicans in the Iowa Legislature pushing for a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

"You better ask me in a month, after I've had a chance to think," Grassley, the state's senior Republican official, said after a health care forum in Mason City.
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Talk about throwing a wrench in the party. The story goes on to note that Grassley had previsouly supported the version of the proposed federal constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage, but left room for the states to have civil unions.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article…
Also, the efforts to amend Iowa's constitution are now officially dead for the year after the House defeated two attempts to move forward on that yesterday.

Posted by Mike in Iowa on April 10, 2009 at 7:14 AM

Dan, we already won...

Kids today don't care, 30 and 40 year olds care less and less and the old people are dying...

Posted by W2M on April 10, 2009 at 8:11 AM

Jesus, Joseph and Mary...

Doc Laura must reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally need to hawk that damn book.

Posted by yawp on April 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM

Thanks Uriel-238 and Mike in Iowa for the links.

Posted by kim in portland on April 10, 2009 at 9:01 AM

You were never in a battle because to begin with Dan. People of faith are not your enemies. There's this wrong belief amongst self identified gays that people of traditional values hate them when in reality its all the opposite. I can assure you that if less followed blindly the aggressive ideologies and tactics of some radical groups you would find less opposition to things such as domestic partnerships and civil unions. I know I was one of them.

Posted by Loveschild on April 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

@18, you don't make any sense.

Posted by haunted leg on April 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

@18: You were one of them? A self identified gay? Wow... now you're a self-hating gay, congratulations!

Posted by Cracker Jack on April 10, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Like all the other comments said Dr. Laura has always supported the gays throughout much of the 90's but went off the deep end because conservative channels demanded it from her.

Posted by Bill W. on April 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Go team!

Posted by seandr on April 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I haven't paid too much attention to the sex expert world... So, when Dr. Laura Berman was on Oprah yesterday, being sort of delightfully progressive and challenging with the audience about how much information (and when) to give you children about sex, I was like, this is the Dr. Laura that Dan rails against? Then I forgot about it until this post, and figured out that there's a different Dr. Laura, who is not at all the same person...

Posted by Julie in Eugene on April 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

20 No, I did not make my comment clearly.

I have in the past had no problem with same sex pairings being afforded civil partnerships but the push of impositions like gay marriage have really turned me away from even supporting that. And many people of faith feel just like I do.

Posted by Loveschild on April 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I think I get what Lovechild is saying in talking about "the aggressive ideologies and tactics of some radical groups." For example, remember how in the face "Act Up" was and all that anger over nothing more than 50,000+ people dying from AIDS a year. Just think where we would instead be if they had just had ice cream socials.

Posted by Mike in Iowa on April 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM

@24: You rarely do.

So as long as the gays don't try to get uppity, you're ok with them? As long as they know their place? What about that husband of your friend -- the one who was trying to pass -- you're ok with him? Because he's in a heterosexual marriage, so that's OK. And he can just fuck guys on the down low.

Hey, as long as you're cool with it.

Posted by Cracker Jack on April 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM

oops, Lovechild got there before I did, and evidentally I missed her point. The radical tactics she's talking about instead appear to be filing civil rights lawsuits. Okay then. I still agree with her. For ex., I'm still angry with female attorneys because a woman used the radical tactic of filing a civil rights lawsuit in Iowa in 1869 to become the first woman admitted to practice law in the U.S. And don't even get me started on African-Americans and their use of the radical tactic of civil rights litigation. And the Christians, here in Iowa they have been bringing discrimination suits against the public universities arguing that its been illegal for Universities to deny tenure to faculty because they are creationists. So many people I have to hate these days because of these radical, radical tactics. If only our founders had thought things out surely they wouldn't have allowed Courts to enforce Constitutional rights in the area of civil rights. They must be turning in their graves over the increased recognition of freedom and equality.

Posted by Mike in Iowa on April 10, 2009 at 10:06 AM

lame. the anything-but-marriage / civil unions thing was put on the table back in the 90s and conservatives were having none of it. if they had accepted same-sex civil unions then, we wouldn't where we are today. you snooze, you lose. all we have to do now is wait for enough of the stubborn old coots to die.

and really, who gives a fuck what this old dishrag thinks anyway? this is the first i've heard anyone mention her name in over a decade.

Posted by brandon on April 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM

I've gotta say, I was way more impressed when Judge Judy came out in favor of gay marriage and against Prop. 8 on Larry King. She was laying down all sorts of legal reasons that gays should be allowed to marry and smacking down the Arkansas ban on gay adoption as ridiculous and "bad for kids". And as a long term family court judge, she would definitely know.

Posted by Jen D on April 10, 2009 at 10:44 AM

In your little corner of planet earth you're "winning." But in 95% percent of the world, you're still losing.

Go to virtually any other country on this mortal coil and people are still not okay with it. Sorry pal.

Posted by Try leaving the U.S. on April 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM

@30: Ok, here's my itinerary:

Netherlands? Oops!
Canada? Oops!
Norway? Oops!
Belgium? Oops!
Spain? Oops!
Sweden? Oops!
South Africa? Oops!

Wow, it was a great trip, but I'm not sure what you were trying to teach me...

Posted by Cracker Jack on April 10, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Oh, by the way, I hit Andorra, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greenland, Iceland, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Slovenia, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Uruguay and parts of Argentina, Australia, Brazil and Mexico and am still wondering what you were trying to say.

Posted by Cracker Jack on April 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

@30: Oh, so you side with radical Islam over the USA? Good to know.

Posted by Jen D on April 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM

30 - that's just pathetic. Can't you even think what you're saying through before you say it?

Posted by you're obviously befuddled by your loss on Schmader's thread on April 10, 2009 at 12:52 PM

fagmo

Posted by lol u r a fagmo on April 10, 2009 at 4:19 PM

@ 31

Wow. Primarily white Western Europeans. That sure is the world.

And, um, you ever talk to a BLACK South African? I'm guessing not so much.

And, um, yeah, I live in Latin America right now and, um, no, the support is not there. Small group of people in big capital cities but that's about it. You clearly haven't got out of the U.S. much.

And ya ever been to Asia at all? The Middle East? Or those places don't count. Not enough wealthy white people there for you.

I suggest getting out of your little gay bubble in the rich developed world before making such sweeping statements like, "We're winning."

Posted by Try leaving the U.S. on April 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

@36: Oh, so the places where there's no support for gay rights are the ones that are traditionally behind the curve for any social change, undereducated and/or incredibly intolerant of ANY other culture or group? Oh, or filled with people who are most likely just as eager to blow your infidel ass up as anyone here in the USA. You are so right, why can't the US be more like them...

Posted by Jen D on April 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Try getting off your high horse, Try leaving the US. Dan didn't say "We're winning the whole world over."

Posted by Dragonfly on April 10, 2009 at 6:30 PM

@ 36. It was so clever how you tried to turn 31 from being a supporter of same sex marriage into an evil white racist. I mean *hysterical screaming* they're practically the same thing!

Posted by evil white racist gay marriage supporter on April 12, 2009 at 5:05 PM