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News & ArtsTuesday, April 7, 2009
Drugs Re: John de Leon: Stupid Fucking Credulous Hack of the Day
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Really, John, there's never been a better time to stop regurgitating drug-war talking points. The freakin' Economist is flat-out calling for an end to the drug war. Surely a reporter at the Seattle Times can take the risk of getting one fucking quote from someone who doesn't believe that growing pot should land someone in jail for nearly a decade.
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Seattle Weekly just won a 2008 Prevention for a Safer Society (PASS) Awards which honors journalists "who try to focus America's attention on our criminal justice system, juvenile justice system, and child welfare systems in a thoughtful and considerate manner." The award is sponsored by the National Council on Crime and Delinquency.
Mr Editor, does The Stranger do any original reporting?
Or does it just bitch and moan about other publications?
Mr Editor, does The Stranger do any original reporting?
Or does it just bitch and moan about other publications?
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Of course the Economist has been arguing for an end to the drug war. Libertarians have been arguing for that for decades, and the Economist is probably the most-widely read libertarian-leaning publication on earth.
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The Stranger does shitloads of original reporting.
This is our blog -- where we comment and debate, and take swipes, like, gee whiz, just about every other blog on the world wide interwebs. The Stranger does not, however, enter journalism contests. We think there's enough lucite in the world already.
Thanks for dropping by, Mike.
This is our blog -- where we comment and debate, and take swipes, like, gee whiz, just about every other blog on the world wide interwebs. The Stranger does not, however, enter journalism contests. We think there's enough lucite in the world already.
Thanks for dropping by, Mike.
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I don't think the readers of the Slog necessarily need a link to the Economist to make up their minds on the drug war.
Nor do I think this is about the drug war.
I think maybe Dominic didn't have a good response to his post and Dan's helping out.
That's cool. Cool bosses. The world needs more of them.
Nor do I think this is about the drug war.
I think maybe Dominic didn't have a good response to his post and Dan's helping out.
That's cool. Cool bosses. The world needs more of them.
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Speaking of Stupid Fucking Credulous Hacks, yesterday slog dredged up a teen suicide from two years ago and presented the story as an example of religious bigots persecuting gay teens until they commit suicide.
The DiversityInc story the post linked claimed the kid was gay but offered no evidence and the 365GAY story it linked did not claim the kid was gay, nor did any actual news accounts.
Evidently slog's poster ran with the DiversityInc spin on the story without even a cursory check of the facts.
In fact was this poor kid even gay?
Did 'religious bigots' have anything to do with what happened?
Is the poster a credulous hack who swallowed and regurgitated the false statement in a biased piece of advocacy propaganda or did he intentionally misstate the kid's situation and exploit this family's tragedy for his own purposes?
The DiversityInc story the post linked claimed the kid was gay but offered no evidence and the 365GAY story it linked did not claim the kid was gay, nor did any actual news accounts.
Evidently slog's poster ran with the DiversityInc spin on the story without even a cursory check of the facts.
In fact was this poor kid even gay?
Did 'religious bigots' have anything to do with what happened?
Is the poster a credulous hack who swallowed and regurgitated the false statement in a biased piece of advocacy propaganda or did he intentionally misstate the kid's situation and exploit this family's tragedy for his own purposes?
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Let's not even talk about whether an unbiased expert was asked to determine whether or not that dog was really a pit bull terrier or just some square-headed mutt. Or whether respected organizations like the American Veterinary Medical Association were asked for a quote on whether it is even possible to objectively determine what breed a dog belongs to. Like if the cops or animal control or some yokel neighbor says it was a pit bull then these SFCHs just transcribe what they were given without question.
Oh wait. Let's do talk about that.
Oh wait. Let's do talk about that.
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Still, I suggest that someone at the SLOG please look up the word "credulous" and its generally accepted usage. I know it sounds cool, but... it actually means something.
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Just so we're clear before the arguing gets hot:
"willing to believe or trust too readily, esp. without proper or adequate evidence; gullible."
There's other entries in other dictionaries, but that's the gist of it.
It's definitely a glass-houses kind of stone to be throwing around here.
"willing to believe or trust too readily, esp. without proper or adequate evidence; gullible."
There's other entries in other dictionaries, but that's the gist of it.
It's definitely a glass-houses kind of stone to be throwing around here.
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Look, the cold hard reality is that two-thirds of American citizens want this stupid War on Drugs to end.
We're sick and tired of paying all these tax dollars for ever increasing prisons, courts, police, and infringements on our Rights and Liberties.
But those who want to distract us and pick our pockets back it, so they intentionally distort the issue and try to make us live in Fear.
Just as they did during Prohibition.
To the same end result.
We're sick and tired of paying all these tax dollars for ever increasing prisons, courts, police, and infringements on our Rights and Liberties.
But those who want to distract us and pick our pockets back it, so they intentionally distort the issue and try to make us live in Fear.
Just as they did during Prohibition.
To the same end result.
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@13 Will in Seattle, TOTALLY. Every thing you said. Agree. FTW, as the kids say.
But maybe this isn't about that, so much.
Maybe it's about shitting on some guy named John who, depending who you ask, is not writing newspaper articles the way Dan Savage or Dominic Holden WANT them to write them.
It's not like he called "Reefer Madness" a documentary or anything.
He just didn't take the time or make the effort to write a decent article.
Kind of a funny stone to be throwing around here.
Heh... stone.
But maybe this isn't about that, so much.
Maybe it's about shitting on some guy named John who, depending who you ask, is not writing newspaper articles the way Dan Savage or Dominic Holden WANT them to write them.
It's not like he called "Reefer Madness" a documentary or anything.
He just didn't take the time or make the effort to write a decent article.
Kind of a funny stone to be throwing around here.
Heh... stone.
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@12... sorry to be so fucking annoyed by you, but... how is he "credulous"? please, dear god, look it up.
okay, i'm gonna bend. it sounds nice and "nasty"... and it makes you sound smart. okay, let's change the definition. i'm not kidding. words change, and their defenders (me) stop having the energy to hold the shift key or to type an exclamation point. let's change the definition of "credulous" to "idiotic". i can't defend the word any more. does it now mean "stupid"? stupid nasty-pants? poopy-face? agreed. i give up.
so can we now invent a word that means what "credulous" used to mean?
okay, i'm gonna bend. it sounds nice and "nasty"... and it makes you sound smart. okay, let's change the definition. i'm not kidding. words change, and their defenders (me) stop having the energy to hold the shift key or to type an exclamation point. let's change the definition of "credulous" to "idiotic". i can't defend the word any more. does it now mean "stupid"? stupid nasty-pants? poopy-face? agreed. i give up.
so can we now invent a word that means what "credulous" used to mean?
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@15, What?
I looked it up. I posted the definition at #10.
You see, the Slog calls people that. In this post.
It's not being used ironically or anything.
Though your suggestions are interesting, let's NOT go redefining the word "credulous."
I looked it up. I posted the definition at #10.
You see, the Slog calls people that. In this post.
It's not being used ironically or anything.
Though your suggestions are interesting, let's NOT go redefining the word "credulous."
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@16, 17... so... are we agreeing? I'm confused about our levels of irony. Ugh. I've lost track. Let's resume tomorrow, my friend. Love you.
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Seriously, people...
You are arguing what "credulous" means? You even look it up in a dicitionary? What are you, retarded? Don't you've got better things to do than to argue about semantics?
You are arguing what "credulous" means? You even look it up in a dicitionary? What are you, retarded? Don't you've got better things to do than to argue about semantics?
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@11: "I don't have reference materials at hand. "
Yet you managed to post a comment to a blog. Is Google broken?
Putting too much trust in a flagrantly biased source is sort of the definition of credulous (see @10, supra). There seems to me to be nothing wrong with calling a reporter "credulous" who uncritically parrots back an organization's press release. It may be a bit of a stretch when the piece in question isn't really an article, just the police blotter.
Yet you managed to post a comment to a blog. Is Google broken?
Putting too much trust in a flagrantly biased source is sort of the definition of credulous (see @10, supra). There seems to me to be nothing wrong with calling a reporter "credulous" who uncritically parrots back an organization's press release. It may be a bit of a stretch when the piece in question isn't really an article, just the police blotter.
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@6
Mr Savage is unable to respond to these totally uncontrived, unfeigned, founded, legitimate and undeceitful allegations at the moment because his tongue is stuck to a frozen doorknob in Vermont.
Mr Savage is unable to respond to these totally uncontrived, unfeigned, founded, legitimate and undeceitful allegations at the moment because his tongue is stuck to a frozen doorknob in Vermont.
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Desperate for hits, aren't you Dan? Guess you can't have ECB shoplifting EVERY day of the week, can you?
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Oh, Danny wants to play Stupid Fucking Credulous Hack. Well, folks, gather 'round, for our very own Stranger is host to some of the biggest hacks in the biz.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
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If Dan had a journalistic clue, he'd respect the distinctions between news, enterprise reporting, editorials, and op-eds.
He's upset because the Seattle Times printed a straight news item without interjecting (what for them) would be an op-ed.
Incredulous!
He's upset because the Seattle Times printed a straight news item without interjecting (what for them) would be an op-ed.
Incredulous!
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SLOG really should quietly drop the 'Stupid Fucking Credulous Hack of the Day'.
The quality of the crap posted on Slog is so embarrassing that the irony of it is nearly lethal.
Pick pretty much any random post here on Slog and you'll have an example of 'Stupid Fucking Credulous Hack of the Decade'.
The quality of the crap posted on Slog is so embarrassing that the irony of it is nearly lethal.
Pick pretty much any random post here on Slog and you'll have an example of 'Stupid Fucking Credulous Hack of the Decade'.
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So in stupid fucking credulous hack Bethany Jean Clement’s fair & balanced report on NARN, foie gras, and Lark, we only hear from the owner of Lark and Anthony Bourdain. And, as per usual, the obvious followup questions are not asked: Anthony Bourdain says foie gras is totally humane and cruelty free. Is it true? Is Lark's foie gras provider actually humane? Is there even such a thing? Is there some other reason that California and a dozen European nations have are banning the production of foie gras?
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Back to the drug war topic...if you want an example of how many people think it is ridiculous, Leonard Pitts Jr. even wrote a recent column questioning it.
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I'm still waiting for the "Stupid Fucking Credulous Thief" award to be given out.
When is that ceremony Dan?
When is that ceremony Dan?
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back in the beginning, there were some reporters who felt it as a punch in the gut to be called out as a s.f.c.h, but you've now used it so broadly and lamely that it's almost a badge of honor. i've heard that john de leon threw up his arms in victory when he heard he'd made your list.
you guys are mean-spirited.
that's why many people in the industry gloated over ecb's recent troubles. ordinarily, we would have sympathized or thought nothing of it, but had the same thing happened to one of us, you would have mocked us mercilessly.
do you believe in karma? funny is good, snarky is fine, mean-spirited is not.
you guys are mean-spirited.
that's why many people in the industry gloated over ecb's recent troubles. ordinarily, we would have sympathized or thought nothing of it, but had the same thing happened to one of us, you would have mocked us mercilessly.
do you believe in karma? funny is good, snarky is fine, mean-spirited is not.
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28 - dan will win that as well.
did you see the photo of all the 'best of' seattle weekly awards that he stole from business and put on the wall of his office?
scary.
did you see the photo of all the 'best of' seattle weekly awards that he stole from business and put on the wall of his office?
scary.
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I like this blog and think the rest of you ought to find something more worthwhile to complain about.
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