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Monday, March 30, 2009

You're Stoned Right Now, Aren't You?

Posted by on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Obama took questions from a Whitehouse.gov poll for an online town hall. Writes Norm Stamper:

At the top of the televised event, the president announced that of the 3.5 million votes on the thousands of questions received in advance, one topic "ranked fairly high." It was whether legalizing marijuana would improve the economy and encourage job creation. He responded: "The answer is no, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy." He then asked rhetorically what the question says about "the online audience."

Get it? His in-the-flesh audience got it, chuckling politely at the allusion to a Stoner Nation plugged in to the "internets."

Please note: There is an unstoned luddite population who helps the economy, and there is a stoned, computer-using population whose unicorn dollars don't help the economy.

Tip from Dan in Shoreline.

 

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1
When did Obama become such a douchebag?

And what happened to that health care plan?
Posted by uninsured pot-smoking employed citizen on March 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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wasn't it the online stoners who mostly financed his campaign?
Posted by j on March 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM
3
Face it Dominic,
Obama joins everyone else in laughing at you.

hint:

You're full of Shit if you think
The Time to Decriminalize Marijuana Is Now (or ever)
Posted by grow up on March 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM
4
At least he didn't call the idea retarded.
Posted by elenchos on March 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM
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If Obama doesn't want my support he doesn't have to have it, I just wish there was a way to get my $10 back, fucking asshole.
Posted by Chris on March 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM
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Obama thinks Pot, DADT and DOMA are the events in the Political Special Olympics.
Posted by chad on March 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM
7
Wow, this is a total disappointment.
Posted by Nick on March 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM
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Real Americans only buy local green products.

Except during spring break.
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM
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Man, where did all this fringe groups come from, they're like a bunch of mosquitoes flying around him.
Posted by Loveschild on March 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM
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Man, where did all this fringe groups come from, they're like a bunch of mosquitoes flying around him.
Posted by Matt from Denver on March 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM
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Hmmmm.... @ 10 was supposed to have more - it showed up in the preview. Anyway, my comment on this is, Loveschild appears to be another victim of homeschooling.
Posted by Matt from Denver on March 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM
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What do you mean my Unicorn Dollars are no goo- AW FUCK!
Posted by The Bailiff on March 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM
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Bill Maher went crazy over these comments this weekend...Sigh...little by little the dream dies...
Posted by MadDog on March 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM
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Anyone who is surprised by Obama's (in)actions on pot and gay rights simply wasn't paying attention to anything he said or did prior to being elected President.
Posted by Mahtli69 on March 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM
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Obama's comments were dead correct. Americans don't give a shit about legalizing pot. Ergo, if that question received 3.5 million votes, that demonstrates that potheads are over represented in the online community and are (for some reason) so detached from reality that they think legalization is the most important issue ever.

This isn't even about the expensive drug war. Legalizing pot isn't going to significantly lower incarceration rates or funding for drug enforcement. This is a pet issue for approximately 3.5 million people.
Posted by keshmeshi on March 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM
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That's so funny, I AM stoned right now!
Posted by Legalize it on March 30, 2009 at 12:20 PM
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@15 care to share with us addle-brained, pothead mortals what mechanism it is that will lead to NOT saving money and wasted effort on hundreds of thousands of marijuana possession arrests coupled with a 50%+ sin tax on millions of marijuana purchases?
Posted by devilsmoke on March 30, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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I think that if this incident (along with the "Special Olympics" gaffe on Leno) speaks to anything, it's that Barack Obama just does not have a good sense of humor. Can't tell jokes off the cuff to save his life. Doesn't understand the line between gently poking fun at something and sounding flippant about something like marijuana reform.
Posted by Hernandez on March 30, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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@15 - There are many more than 3.5 million people that care about marijuana laws. Medical marijuana is now legalized in most Western states, and polls show that there is growing support for legalization or decriminalization.

However, Obama is, first and foremost, a politician. Gay rights and drug laws are both wedge issues that would cost him moderate votes if he "did the right thing", so I don't suspect that he ever will.

If the equation would ever shift such that he'd gain more votes than he would lose, then he would change his position. However, considering that even fringe "alternative" newspapers like The Stranger gave him their enthusiastic endorsement, he may as well tell the Left to "fuck off" considering their lack of alternatives.
Posted by Mahtli69 on March 30, 2009 at 12:28 PM
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I would have hoped for a more thoughtful answer from Obama. I understand his position of no legalization, from a political point of view, but he could have stuck with the party line and still answered the question in a more intelligent way (e.g., legalization may grow the economy, but is it the type of growth we want?).

One of the reasons I like Obama is that he seems willing to examine all the options and advocate the best solution to a problem, instead of whatever the historical position of the Democrats has been (e.g., his support for charter schools/merit pay for teachers). Just saying "no, it won't" is pretty much the opposite of that attitude...
Posted by Julie in Eugene on March 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM
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the question should have been phrased differently.

"when our nation imprisons more people per capita than any other on the planet, is it morally acceptable to sentence people to jail for ingesting a plant that has been proven less harmful than 2 legal substances, alcohol & tobacco?"

the "save-the-budget" angle allowed him to weasel out of addressing the real issue.
Posted by Max Solomon on March 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM
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I am stoned now and usually always but the reply he gave . . ."The answer is no, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy." . . .doesn't say he is against decrim.
To me this only says he doesn't think it's a way to grow the econ. It's not going to replace the auto industry kinda thing.
Posted by irl on March 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM
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I mean, hell, even if each of those 3.5 million potheads out in cyberspace buys just an eighth a year with a 50% tax on it, at current (black market) rates, that's nearly $100 million. Hire some ad workers and medical experts and put up billboards that remind kids it's illegal to smoke tobacco OR weed 'til they're 18.

Plus figure that it's significantly easier to grow legally in the US at that point than hire some poor asshole in Mexico to run your illegal drugs and possibly get his ass shot up. So you've significantly undercut the Mexican narco business (which measures in the 10^6s of pounds per year!), and there's less reason for 6000 drug war deaths per year in Mexico; less reason for their soldiers to defect to paramilitary groups which pay better to protect narco interests. The drugs industry affects a lot more people than just consumers in the US.

What good reason, besides political careers, is there NOT to have some bean counters punch out expected revenue, change in consumption patterns, international effects, just to see if it could be a good idea?
Posted by devilsmoke on March 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM
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Un-bunch your panties all you green lovers... the fuck did you expect him to say? "Yes - lets legalize weed and all drugs, that is what we need to be focused on right now, not preventing the next Depression"... get over yourselves. Stamper can say that, the President cannot. At least at this time.
Posted by Raven on March 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM
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That explains why one of my friends once reimbursed me with a check denoting "unicorn food". It's all so clear now.
Posted by Jon Brock on March 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM
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@24 for the win.
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM
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@24,26 - the point is, he had the time to at least give a reasonable answer. something like

'That's an issue that we don't have the resources to focus on at this point in time' or

'let me point you to some preliminary studies so-and-so has done that show no significant impact on the economy, so we're not going to bother with the moral/societal issues of drug legalization' would have been nice.
Posted by devilsmoke on March 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM
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If you are at home and high in the middle of the day on a Monday, perhaps you should care more about getting a damn job than legalizing weed.
Posted by damnhippies on March 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM
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@27 for the actual win. I don't particularly care that he's not focused on legalization right now, but don't sweep it under the rug with a blanket "the answer is no" statement. There are any number of answers that he could have given that would have recognized that the idea may have some merit (or, that we could study whether it has merit), but it's not where we should be focusing right now.
Posted by Julie in Eugene on March 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM
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He could have just said, "We're not going to pursue that idea," but instead he went out of his way to insult a lot of people. Nice.
Posted by pox on March 30, 2009 at 1:41 PM
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Screw You All.
F'kin pothead garbage.
If you don't like it
VOTE REPUBLICAN.
Posted by Barack Obama on March 30, 2009 at 2:19 PM
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the President is a fucking retard and I want my donation back, asshole.
Posted by UNICORN-BOUNTY on March 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM
33
If pot ever gets legalized, then what will be the stoner's new cause?
Posted by Urgutha Forka on March 30, 2009 at 3:00 PM
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32

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that's a good one!
Posted by hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha on March 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM
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33
Gay Marriage
Posted by Beavis on March 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM
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@35 you stole my thunder...
Posted by cloud 9 on March 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM
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I am a conservative who smokes pot and was hoping the ONE good thing out of our BO would be changing the laws concerning pot.

Also I do NOT think we should tax it at a high rate! It should not be legal so the govt can become de facto pot dealers. It should be legal because of how little damage pot does compared to how much damage pot laws do on balance for our country. It should not be sold in state run retail stores, alcohol should not be sold by the govt as well, tax (lightly) and regulate it but do not promote it. No state lottery as well, privatize it!!
Posted by D&B on March 30, 2009 at 3:38 PM
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Dear #28,

1) Some people with jobs have off on Monday afternoons. Seriously. Not all jobs are 9-5, M thru F.

2) Some people work from home. Often on their computers.

3) Some people smoke marijuana at work. Sometimes they're screw-ups. Other times they perform and function quite well and do a great job.

and

4) It really is possible to care about more than one thing at a time.
Posted by catsnbanjos on March 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM
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#24, our president could have made a statement very similar to Jimmy Carter's, which was that the government would start to seriously study the decriminalization of small amounts of marijuana. He could have gone further and said that since voters in quite a few states have decided that letting AIDS and cancer patients smoke a joint now and then, the feds might look into making medical marijuana busts a low priority. He didn't have to announce drastic, immediate plans to legalize it, but it would be nice if he'd simply acknowledge that it deserves discussion and deep thought, not a lame, obvious "joke".
Posted by catsnbanjos on March 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM
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Patience folks, I'm tired of all the criticism on the left and right on ever action he's taken so far in his not even 3 months of presidency. I am one of those gay stoners online! Jim Web's crime bill is a good start!
Posted by FrancisP on March 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM
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The question was was whether legalizing marijuana would improve the economy and encourage job creation.

The answer was "The answer is no, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy."

That was an economic question, not a legalization question. Pay attention. Obama said he didn't think legalizing pot and taxing it would do that much for the national debt and our economy...and lets be honest now, it probably wouldn't. The national debt is just to freakin' huge for any one thing to fix it. I mean, is the sin tax that's going to be laid on tobacco going to pull us out of the hole? NO! It will bring in some $$$$, but I bet you more people will just quit smoking or at least cut down rather than pay up. If pot were legalized, people would no longer be willing to pay what they are paying now (People pay more for shit that's illegal because of the risks associated with breaking the law). But the cost of producing and selling pot would go up, since a hefty new sin tax would be laid on it. Combine that with people's willingness to pay less for something that's now legal as tobacco or alcohol, and can be grown in their own back yard and pot will fail as an economic savior.
Posted by Y.F. on March 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM
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39
Great advice,
Obama should emulate Carter every way possible.
Posted by can't get enough malaise!! on March 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM
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@41 - the cost of producing pot would go up? I'm almost certain that the measures that drug cartels have to go through to grow, smuggle and protect their product on the trip from seedling to baggie cost more than any reasonable tax you could put on it.

Think about it - dried herbs like thyme and basil cost on the order of $5 an ounce. (I know that's probably not analogous...I can't think of a better comparison though) Even if it costs 10x that to legally farm marijuana - really baby it - a similar profit margin leads to a market value of $50 an ounce. slap 100% tax on that, and potheads coast to coast would still rejoice.

Plus, the high price of weed has more to do with the supply side than demand. I and anyone I know would pay MORE for weed if I knew it was legal and had been farmed by a legitimate operation; dealers charge more because of the danger involved in handling illegal substances.
Posted by devilsmoke on March 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM
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whatever. It isn't the president's job to advocate legalizing weed, its our job to convince the public to make him do it.
Posted by matt! on March 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM
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@43; yeah, it costs a little over a buck to produce a gram of pure heroin and as recently as two years ago you could get a gram of reasonably pure coke for $1.50 in Bogota.

Been a long time since I knew any growers, but I'm betting if you could ramp up production, the cost of producing good weed would be around the same as for tobacco...or about twenty-five to fifty cents a pack pre-tax.
Posted by gnossos on March 30, 2009 at 7:26 PM
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what exactly do you people want out of the president? do you think John McCain's answer would have been any different? Hilary Clinton? who besides Dennis Kucinch would possibly answer that question positively 3 months into their presidency, whether they believed it or not. I'm not one of those die hard Obama supporters, I'm a person who voted for him because I figured he would at least be a better president that the last guy. when you have low expectations in your politicians, they are more likely to impress you. and quite frankly I was pretty impressed with the joke he made about all the stoners in cyberspace (including myself). if you can't imagine him saying that with a slight amount of winking irony, I cannot help you.
Posted by Lee on March 31, 2009 at 12:49 AM
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@ 35 - So the obvious conclusion is that marijuana use leads to homosexuality, right?

Fire up, boys.
Posted by Chris down in The Couv on March 31, 2009 at 10:24 AM
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Ha ha you stupid naive Seattle liberals got fooled again. Obama is as much a slave of Zionism as Bush was. You have to be a real naive retard to not be able to see how obvious it is. Wake the fuck up to reality.
Posted by The Chosen People on March 31, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Posted by to the wardrobe! on March 31, 2009 at 3:52 PM
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Obama is not going to go for full legalization during this administration. Medical is possible, but in bits and pieces.

Near the end of his second admistration, when he has nothing to lose, he could entertain full legalization, and possibly pull it off.

But medical is totally possible, and the questions put to Obama should be ones that he can answer positively.

Like:

Your Attorney General has stated that medical marijuana is a States Rights decision, and that the Feds are not interested in prosecuting medical marijuana clinics, dispensaries, or patients. Do you agree?

Or:

Millions of Americans are treating pain and disease with the assistance of medical marijuana, and marijuana alleviates pain and other symptoms with out the cost and adverse side affects of stronger, riskier, medications. Do you believe that all Americans, in a time of need, should have legal access to medical marijuana?

Wow, I am so baked.
Posted by DOC CHRONIC on April 1, 2009 at 1:33 AM
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I didn't have too much if a problem with Obama declaring ""The answer is no, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy" though he could have expounded more on the issue (instead of making a blanket statement without proofs and studies to back it up).

What gets me more is that he took a chance to make fun of voters. It was an example of the powerful bullying the weak (what lefty rags always claim corporations do to individuals). He could have been polite and disagreed but no he had to poke fun at a group of people who have no obvious way of getting back at him.

In this regard Obama = Bush II (check out Karla Faye Tucker)
Posted by Obama=Napoleon on April 1, 2009 at 3:48 AM
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How could harnessing the Power of Industrial Hemp and the thousands of other uses for Hemp NOT help the Economy!!??

If you think this is just about a bunch of Stoners trying to get high, well then think again. Environmentalists and people who strive to live as "Green" as possible (as in Carbon Footprint) realize this wonder plant has immeasurable value.

Senior Harvard Economist Jeffrey Miron estimates Federal, State and Local Governments spend roughly $44 Billion per year to enforce Drug Prohibition. These same Governments could make roughly $33 Billion per year in tax revenue collected from legalized drugs. (Assuming these were taxed at rates similar to those on Alcohol and Tobacco) He says if Cannabis was legal, Governments would realize about $33 Billion a year in tax revenue. Estimated profit? $77 billion. I suspect this $$$ amount could be so much more though as Science advances in the investigation of Hemp-based Fuels. Forget Big Oil, we'll be able to run our vehicles using hearty, Earth Friendly Plants.

History Lesson everyone. In 1619 Jamestown Colony, Virginia enacted laws ordering farmers to grow Hemp. Similar laws were enacted in Massachusetts in 1631, Connecticut in 1632 and the Chesapeake Colonies in the mid-1700’s.
Cannabis Hemp was legal tender in most of the Americas from 1631 until the early 1800’s. You could even pay your taxes with Cannabis Hemp.

Hemp then threatened the Dupont Empire back in the 30's. The Dupont chemical company had patented nylon and wanted Hemp removed as competition. Harry Anslinger was a chosen Appointment to the newly minted Bureau of Narcotics. Anslinger got some additional help from William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had invested heavily in the Timber Industry to support his newspaper chain and didn't want to see the development of Hemp Paper (Hemp can be "cropped out" 3 times a year, opposed to waiting decades for trees to mature) in competition. Telling outright lies about Mexicans and their "Loco Weed" sold newspapers, making Hearst rich. Using Racist tactics and Hearsts' Yellow Journalism Propaganda to pass The Marijuana Tax Act in 1937, this not only outlawed Cannabis, but Hemp also.

Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association slammed Legislature and the Bureau of Narcotics for using the term "marijuana" in the The Marijuana Tax Act Legislation and not publicizing it as a Bill about Cannabis or Hemp. At this point, "Marijuana" (or Marihuana) was a "scare tactic" word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people's minds to the Cannabis/Hemp plant. Many people (Farmer's!) who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren't even aware of it.

There was a brief time when Hemp was once again legal to grow, during The Second World War. In 1942 the US Government strongly requested Hemp Cultivation to help with the war effort, going so far as to produce a film entitled “Hemp For Victory”. (Check it out on YouTube)

Ahhhh America, so much Policy is decided on Corporate Gluttony.... the question is, will President Obama recognize Prohibition is based on Greed and Racism? Is he brave enough to ridicule the deception Cannabis Laws are based on? Or, will he continue to let the country falter - when Science and Industry has the potential to give the Economy the much needed financial injection that Hemp can provide?

We'll see... but most likely, he'll just continue to lead The Sheep.

p.s. I actually educated myself on these facts long ago. If more people just looked a little deeper for the Truth and stopped believing the Propaganda that is spoon-fed to them we'd all be better off for it. This info is excerpted from my Blog Post: http://maryjanecannabian.blogspot.com/20… Pass it to the Left.

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Posted by MaryJane Cannabian on April 1, 2009 at 7:42 AM
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I don't smoke.

I think pot prohibition is retarded and I can't in good conscience support a policy that's resulting in chaos and wholesale slaughter just because it's happening in Mexico instead of here.

Fuck the War on Drugs. It's time we gave up our favorite foreign policy blunt instrument and actually engaged in some real statesmanship instead.
Posted by balderdash on April 1, 2009 at 7:41 PM

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