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Sports / Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz What Is the Sound of One Fan Clapping?
Posted by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM
The Seattle Sounders FC play their first game tonight against the NY Red Bull. 6pm. Qwest Field. You can also catch the game on ESPN2. Zzzzzzzz.
In other (more interesting) sports news, March Madness has begun. Games can be streamed live here.
*Yes, I realize that lots of people bought tickets to the Sounders game and that some people—OK, mostly just Will In Seattle—care about soccer and it's really exciting blah blah blah. I still think it's a boring game.
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Oh, Jonah, I know you're just jealous that no one has been this excited about the Seahawks or whatever in ages. It's adorable.
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The zzz thing doesn't apply if you find men attractive. Because the men on that team are HOT, and include the surprisingly short Freddie Ljungberg, a Swedish player whom you may recall from his Calvin Klein underwear ads last year. I've got my season tickets in hand.
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False. Sounders only sold 38,000 tickets. Seahawks attendance is generally twice that and it's not relegated to the ESPN2 sports ghetto.
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Basketball is one of the most annoying sports out there. When two teams can score over 100 points per game, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of challenge.
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Soccer is by far my favorite thing to watch, but it's such a lame thing to say that no one's into the Sounders. Jeez... try looking into some numbers and see how many folks are stoked.
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I think basketball is a boring game, actually, even though my sister and my two nieces are/were very very good at it.
But soccer is fun!
But soccer is fun!
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22,000 season tickets sold - more than any other MLS team and before the first game even played. Note that 22,000 was the cap applied so who knows how many season tickets would have sold.
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Abby, are you fucking kidding me? The Seahawks went to the Super Bowl 3 years ago! We've been one of the most successful teams in the NFL at reaching the playoffis in recent years!
But yeah, go Sounders! I loves me some sports, and I hope to make it to at least one match this season.
But yeah, go Sounders! I loves me some sports, and I hope to make it to at least one match this season.
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Word is they may release some more seasons tickets since people want to pay good money to see it.
Remember though, it's the box seats that are the cash cows, and I've seen nothing on how those are selling, but I'd be surprised if they don't open up the level for some great vid shots of the box seat elites with fans all the way down from there, so expect maybe 30 to 40 percent more seats soon (this is total projection, based on sound marketing techniques, but has no basis in any PR releases I've seen).
Now if they gave away a free xBox360 at every game ...
Remember though, it's the box seats that are the cash cows, and I've seen nothing on how those are selling, but I'd be surprised if they don't open up the level for some great vid shots of the box seat elites with fans all the way down from there, so expect maybe 30 to 40 percent more seats soon (this is total projection, based on sound marketing techniques, but has no basis in any PR releases I've seen).
Now if they gave away a free xBox360 at every game ...
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I thought that Vancouver Whitecaps were the next official team, but somebody said Portland was - which is true?
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@18: both, but also neither. Whitecaps have been announced, it's strongly rumored that the Timbers are being announced tomorrow. The next official team will actually be Philadelphia, but Vancouver and Portland are to follow that.
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I hear you, Jonah. I can only imagine how it would be if my team played 3 months and wasn't around for 9, as opposed to the other way around.
Hernandez- I just like needling Jonah when sports come up, since he really hates soccer. (And last season sucked, didn't it?)
Hernandez- I just like needling Jonah when sports come up, since he really hates soccer. (And last season sucked, didn't it?)
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Why would Jonah rag on a team that hasn't even played yet? I'm assuming it's an issue with himself that is "boring".
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Soccer is only boring to boring people. It's a hell of a lot less boring than watching a bunch of heavily-armored steroidal freaks of nature destroy each other's ligaments in bursts of a few seconds, separated by ten-minute pauses while they catch their breath. There's a reason why soccer fans outnumber gridiron fans more than 10 to one worldwide. ESPN2 may be a ghetto in the US, but there are more people watching soccer on TV RIGHT NOW than have ever watched any NFL game in history.
Well, in the case of the Seahawks, two reasons -- the also suck at playing their terrible game.
Soccer's perennial fourth-best popularity in the US says more about the limitations of the American imagination than those of the game. American football, in particular, appeals exclusively to subnormals who are mostly just sorry that dogfighting and bullbaiting are illegal now.
The game's a sellout, and they've sold more season tickets than anyone in the history of the league in their first season. Pretty exciting stuff, I'd say. Certainly the rabid fans in the stands this evening will vastly outclass the miserable show of support the Seahawks can muster.
Well, in the case of the Seahawks, two reasons -- the also suck at playing their terrible game.
Soccer's perennial fourth-best popularity in the US says more about the limitations of the American imagination than those of the game. American football, in particular, appeals exclusively to subnormals who are mostly just sorry that dogfighting and bullbaiting are illegal now.
The game's a sellout, and they've sold more season tickets than anyone in the history of the league in their first season. Pretty exciting stuff, I'd say. Certainly the rabid fans in the stands this evening will vastly outclass the miserable show of support the Seahawks can muster.
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Yes, last season was a colossal disappointment that challenged my resolve as a lifelong Seahawks fan. However, since it IS the Seahawks, you get used to it.
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The boxes should be selling a little, since the Sonics are gone and the Seahawks and Mariners suck so hard these days. Soccer's still a hard sell in a lot of corporate boardrooms, especially in this economy, though. But the team does have buzz. Their ownership group is arguably the smartest in all of professional sports.
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@24: they used to be the NY/NJ MetroStars, which was also a fucking terrible name. Then Red Bull bought it and changed the name. They did the same thing to SV Austria Salzburg, which is even weirder.
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I feel sorry for Seahawks fans because that's the closest they'll ever get to having a professional football team.
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@33, no, we'll be quite satisfied with Qwest, once they get the Seahawks out of there and lose the plastic grass. The Hawks can go play in LA; don't they still need an NFL team?
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Why's everyone talking about the Seahawks? This post, other than the dis on MLS, is about the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. March Madness is the most exciting sporting event on the planet.
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So, after 5 consecutive years of playoff berths including a championship appearance, all of a sudden the Seahawks have been shitty forever because they were last year?
C'mon soccer fans, can't we all just get along? We're sharing a stadium now, you know. Let's at least be civil.
C'mon soccer fans, can't we all just get along? We're sharing a stadium now, you know. Let's at least be civil.
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@38, yeah, Hernandez, but in the NFL everybody makes the playoffs. And I hardly see any reason to be civil in a good old-fashioned soccer vs. gridiron debate.
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Yay! Soccer fans finally got something for Christmas besides collapsible cones and yet another ball. Victory has finally arrived for the most erudite of fans. Good, so everyone's got something now and we can all go about our business with our little hats and scarves and such. Who's gonna be the one to start that very first verse of that very first Sounders song in the stands tonight? Do the words exist already, or are they to be invented on the spot? Pins and needles, folks. Will there be pageantry and fanfare? I do hope so. I do. Perhaps a special-occasion Ale (low carbonation?) at the Elysian Fields.
Bah, c'mon -- just joking! Joking! The Sounders should be a great fit for Seattle if merely judging by the dominance soccer holds on virtually every city play field you see. It will be great to see fans have a chance to unify at Qwest and throw the weight of their fandom behind an already-exciting product. There's little doubt that the Sounders not only fill, but obliterate the void left by the Sonics. Break a leg!
Bah, c'mon -- just joking! Joking! The Sounders should be a great fit for Seattle if merely judging by the dominance soccer holds on virtually every city play field you see. It will be great to see fans have a chance to unify at Qwest and throw the weight of their fandom behind an already-exciting product. There's little doubt that the Sounders not only fill, but obliterate the void left by the Sonics. Break a leg!
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Fnarf, in American football only division champions and a handful of wildcards make the playoffs.
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I love futbol (soccer), not as much as baseball, but I love it. To see the magic of Brazil or the force of Argentina. To be at a stadium with thousands of super wild fans, its incredible. It is fast paced and a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
For the record, fans of futbol (soccer ) outside the US are not polite. Theyre wilder and more violent than anything you will ever see at an American Football game. I wont compare it to other sports cuz I love all sports for different reasons. I love boxing and I love MMA for different reasons.
With that said, Soccer will remain an unpopular sport in the US because; frankly the world class athletes in the US don’t care to play it. Little kids in the US don’t dream of being soccer stars, The best high school athletes in the US are not the soccer athletes. I’m glad its popular in Seattle, but who knows how long that would last. It is certainly silly to say that it will be as popular as the Seahawks. Those who said that, have clearly not been to a Hawks game. Those who say that futbol is boring have not been to a match outside of the US.
The day when soccer is big here- and that day will come, when the Michael Jordans, the Allen Iversons, the La Danian Tomlinsons, The Michael Phelps… and son on… the day athletes of that caliver begin to look at the sport of their dream than that’s the day soccer will be huge here and we don’t have to import HAS beens like Beckam and others.
In Europe and in most of Latin America, kids want to be like ROnaldinho and every kid in the slums of Argentina wants to be Messi. The kid here wants to be a hoopster. In Europe and Latin America the roads to riches is FUTBOL and that’s why it’s a passion.
Here futbol remains a sport played by so-so athletes, some of em quite good, hell better than me, but certainly not the cream of the crop in the US.
You go to any field in Seattle, you see the so –so athletic kids playing soccer and having their parents cheer them on saying , good job even if they suck. If you want to see the best kid athletes go to a b ball game or a football kids game. The same in Europe or Latin America, if you go to a soccer match for kids, you see the best athletes and you certainly you don’t see a bunch of fleece wearing parents yelling, good job even if they suck..
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For the record, fans of futbol (soccer ) outside the US are not polite. Theyre wilder and more violent than anything you will ever see at an American Football game. I wont compare it to other sports cuz I love all sports for different reasons. I love boxing and I love MMA for different reasons.
With that said, Soccer will remain an unpopular sport in the US because; frankly the world class athletes in the US don’t care to play it. Little kids in the US don’t dream of being soccer stars, The best high school athletes in the US are not the soccer athletes. I’m glad its popular in Seattle, but who knows how long that would last. It is certainly silly to say that it will be as popular as the Seahawks. Those who said that, have clearly not been to a Hawks game. Those who say that futbol is boring have not been to a match outside of the US.
The day when soccer is big here- and that day will come, when the Michael Jordans, the Allen Iversons, the La Danian Tomlinsons, The Michael Phelps… and son on… the day athletes of that caliver begin to look at the sport of their dream than that’s the day soccer will be huge here and we don’t have to import HAS beens like Beckam and others.
In Europe and in most of Latin America, kids want to be like ROnaldinho and every kid in the slums of Argentina wants to be Messi. The kid here wants to be a hoopster. In Europe and Latin America the roads to riches is FUTBOL and that’s why it’s a passion.
Here futbol remains a sport played by so-so athletes, some of em quite good, hell better than me, but certainly not the cream of the crop in the US.
You go to any field in Seattle, you see the so –so athletic kids playing soccer and having their parents cheer them on saying , good job even if they suck. If you want to see the best kid athletes go to a b ball game or a football kids game. The same in Europe or Latin America, if you go to a soccer match for kids, you see the best athletes and you certainly you don’t see a bunch of fleece wearing parents yelling, good job even if they suck..
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Shouldn't it be SC rather than FC? And isn't there some MLS team with Real in its name? Talk about an identity crisis.
I lost all respect for the Sounders FC when they televised the tryout for the last player to make the squad - complete cheese.
Soccer = boring. The world's best athletes play basketball.
I lost all respect for the Sounders FC when they televised the tryout for the last player to make the squad - complete cheese.
Soccer = boring. The world's best athletes play basketball.
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@44 -- like I said, practically everybody.
Not quite as bad as basketball, where sub-.500 teams are commonplace in the playoffs, but pretty embarrassing. You should have ONE division, and the winner is the winner, period. Or have multiple divisions, but above and below each other, so if you suck bad enough you get relegated to the minor leagues for a season, until you can climb back up. That's the way to do it properly.
Then, instead of playoffs, you could have a separate knockout cup competition. Hell, have several.
SeMe, the way to make soccer work in America is to just do it -- set up the leagues, play the games, and stop the endless decades-long argument about "when will soccer make it in America?". Just play the games. Run the league in the black. The measure of success isn't "as big as basketball" or whatever; it's "a professional league on a sound footing". The fans will come -- are coming -- and the players will come too, eventually. College programs are supplying good talent these days. We don't have to be Brazil to be proud of our program.
Just watch, though -- when Chivas USA comes to town, they'll fill the stadium -- with people rooting for the visitors. The Mexican market is huge here.
Not quite as bad as basketball, where sub-.500 teams are commonplace in the playoffs, but pretty embarrassing. You should have ONE division, and the winner is the winner, period. Or have multiple divisions, but above and below each other, so if you suck bad enough you get relegated to the minor leagues for a season, until you can climb back up. That's the way to do it properly.
Then, instead of playoffs, you could have a separate knockout cup competition. Hell, have several.
SeMe, the way to make soccer work in America is to just do it -- set up the leagues, play the games, and stop the endless decades-long argument about "when will soccer make it in America?". Just play the games. Run the league in the black. The measure of success isn't "as big as basketball" or whatever; it's "a professional league on a sound footing". The fans will come -- are coming -- and the players will come too, eventually. College programs are supplying good talent these days. We don't have to be Brazil to be proud of our program.
Just watch, though -- when Chivas USA comes to town, they'll fill the stadium -- with people rooting for the visitors. The Mexican market is huge here.
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Love watching the soccer goons getting all worked up like NASCAR, NHL and UFC losers who get their panties all moist when someone doesn't like their fringe sports. Soccer is for rich white people and people who don't speak english. Always has been and always will be a sport very few care about, the sooner you get over it the sooner you'll feel better about constantly hyping up a sport that has fallen on its face time and time again. No one cares.
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@46: the best ones that are tall. You can't tell me that Lionel Messi isn't a fantastic athlete, although he'd likely be not all that great of a basketball player. You've got a tired meme.
And yes, MLS isn't one of the great leagues. When I want to watch the best players, I watch the European leagues. But I like supporting a local team when I have one.
And yes, MLS isn't one of the great leagues. When I want to watch the best players, I watch the European leagues. But I like supporting a local team when I have one.
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the world's best athletes play BASKETBALL? I don't think so. SOME decent athletes play basketball, sure, but unless you think the best athletes in the world all come from 1/20th of the world's population, no.
The concept of the "world's best athletes" doesn't really mean anything, anyways. By some measures, cyclists are the "best" by a wide margin. Swimmers and tennis players rate pretty high. Basketball players stand around too much.
The concept of the "world's best athletes" doesn't really mean anything, anyways. By some measures, cyclists are the "best" by a wide margin. Swimmers and tennis players rate pretty high. Basketball players stand around too much.
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I haven't lived in Seattle for 7 years and I'm excited - already planning to see them whip the Rapids when they come through Colorado!
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"Soccer is for rich white people and people who don't speak english." See if you can spot the flaw in this argument.
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The real question here, is how much are we wasting in public funding on soccer, relative to the (boring) Seahawks and (boring) Mariners and (boring) Huskies?
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Let me tell you all how jealous I am. St. Louis was in the running for an MLS team when the Sounders were announced, & I have a feeling it is goingto happen again when Philly/Portland/Vancouver is announced.
Oh well, at least we have St Louis Athletica.
Also, I will never in my life understand why 'Mericans love college basketball (or any college sport for that matter) so goddamn much. They can't play two fucking minutes without a time out or free throw. You know how many timeouts there are in futbol? ZERO!
finally, 22 wins...
Oh well, at least we have St Louis Athletica.
Also, I will never in my life understand why 'Mericans love college basketball (or any college sport for that matter) so goddamn much. They can't play two fucking minutes without a time out or free throw. You know how many timeouts there are in futbol? ZERO!
finally, 22 wins...
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52, deny anything in my post. You can't, you enjoy baseball and soccer so you can watch and be surrounded primarily by white people. The underlying theme of your basketball and football bashing is very clear.
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@22 You know what else is boring? People who try to explain why one sport is better than another. I like sport A, so sport b must suck.
Grow up.
Grow up.
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Well there sure are a shit ton of sporting choices on TV tonight (as Will is the only one here actually GOING to the Sounders game). March Madness, M's, Japan/Korea all among the action.
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The best seats for cheering are at the ends.
Also cause they're the best seats for rushing the goals in a mad scrum after a win or loss.
Also cause they're the best seats for rushing the goals in a mad scrum after a win or loss.
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@66, what are you talking about? Rushing the goals? You've never actually seen a soccer match, have you?
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...mad scrum after a win *or loss*. Ok, Will, I'm tuning in just to see the lump under the pile of cops.
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I'm going to the game tonight to see whether it is boring or not. According to fans of the game, soccer is incredibly romantic, tragic, exciting, and habit-forming. We'll see.
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Cmon Fnarf, you know an appeal to the masses is faulty in arguing for the superiority of the sport's aesthetics. Furthermore, your analysis is completely flawed on other levels. Soccer is more popular because poor people can play it with almost any round object the size of a soccer ball and 4 other objects representing goal posts. Also it doesn't need to be subsidized by parents at the high school level in equipment costs.
It's the same reason that hockey isn't an urban or world sport. The capital costs to play it are far steeper than other sports.
Also, almost the teams as in 37.5% of teams?
It's the same reason that hockey isn't an urban or world sport. The capital costs to play it are far steeper than other sports.
Also, almost the teams as in 37.5% of teams?
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I think the problem with soccer in the US is that people can only commit to closely following one professional team at a time. Baseball owns the late spring and summer and early fall, basketball owns the winter and early spring, and football owns fall and early winter. There's some overlap but the playoffs of any sport at most overlap with the early games of the season in the other, so there's a rhythm to the whole thing.
Hockey has almost as much problem breaking this 3-way hold on the sports seasons as soccer does. There's just no room for more than 3 sports--maybe 4 if baseball shortened its season so that it wasn't sprawling over half the year.
Hockey has almost as much problem breaking this 3-way hold on the sports seasons as soccer does. There's just no room for more than 3 sports--maybe 4 if baseball shortened its season so that it wasn't sprawling over half the year.
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FNARF – like i said, im a huge soccer fan and i have no problem with the level of play in the US. My point was the reasons it is soo much bigger in Europe and latin America is due to the level of play there- I know that you will agree- is much higher and I think is due to the level of athletes.
my poorly made point is that futbol should be appreciated for what it is, as a different than American football, a sport I also happen to love and that in the fan of the majority US sports fan the level of play is much higher in American football basketball and baseball. In Europe and Latin America where soccer is a passion, you grow up in the slums and rural areas dreaming soccer, whereas, in the slums and rural areas here, kids dream of other sports, mainly football and basketball and sadly less, baseball. i mean paying a has been like Beckam all that money to play here (in LA) is ridiculous. iwould pay Messi that kind of money, but never Beckam (sp?).
my poorly made point is that futbol should be appreciated for what it is, as a different than American football, a sport I also happen to love and that in the fan of the majority US sports fan the level of play is much higher in American football basketball and baseball. In Europe and Latin America where soccer is a passion, you grow up in the slums and rural areas dreaming soccer, whereas, in the slums and rural areas here, kids dream of other sports, mainly football and basketball and sadly less, baseball. i mean paying a has been like Beckam all that money to play here (in LA) is ridiculous. iwould pay Messi that kind of money, but never Beckam (sp?).
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This is possibly the only reason I can think of at the moment that might entice me to get cable.
Unless of course there's some way to watch games online...
Unless of course there's some way to watch games online...
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SeMe, I completely agree that paying Beckham to come here was ridiculous. And you couldn't get Messi -- he wouldn't come here for $100 million an hour. He needs to play at the top level, period. That's what I mean about just letting the game find its own level here. There isn't any way to create an English Premier League or Serie A here, and certainly not by wishing it were so. They should just make the best league they can and stop worrying about it. Which is what I think they're doing, Beckham fiasco notwithstanding.
How much of the Galaxy money does Becks (or Milan) have to give back now that he's gone away, apparently for good?
How much of the Galaxy money does Becks (or Milan) have to give back now that he's gone away, apparently for good?
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Fnarf, you are clearly not qualified to critique basketball. Basketball players typically can play most ANY sport fairly well, because basketball requires hand-eye and foot coordination while sprinting and jumping, strategy, team play, etc...
I'm a huge sports fan and play basketball/ultimate/volleyball every week. Soccer is a fine sport, but I can count the number of soccer-playing friends on one hand who can play hoops well.
Soccer has and continues to be forced down our throats by non-sports fans and historically the shittiest of athletes. Any USA kid who grew up in the 70s and 80s is familiar with the pussy parents who pushed their kids into playing soccer because other sports were "too violent" (which is laughable...soccer is incredibly hard on ankles/knees).
You prefer soccer...fine, but you should shut the hell up about your ignorance regarding hoops.
Back to the greatest tourney in sports!!
I'm a huge sports fan and play basketball/ultimate/volleyball every week. Soccer is a fine sport, but I can count the number of soccer-playing friends on one hand who can play hoops well.
Soccer has and continues to be forced down our throats by non-sports fans and historically the shittiest of athletes. Any USA kid who grew up in the 70s and 80s is familiar with the pussy parents who pushed their kids into playing soccer because other sports were "too violent" (which is laughable...soccer is incredibly hard on ankles/knees).
You prefer soccer...fine, but you should shut the hell up about your ignorance regarding hoops.
Back to the greatest tourney in sports!!
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College basketball is just another form of organized crime. It's the closest American institution to slavery that we have left, unless it's college football. College athletics are the most objectionable area in American life.
And I am EMINENTLY qualified to comment on basketball, because I can type 90 words a minute. I don't care how high you can jump, I can drop an ñ or an ô or a ü or even a æ on you so fast you won't even know what hit you.
And I am EMINENTLY qualified to comment on basketball, because I can type 90 words a minute. I don't care how high you can jump, I can drop an ñ or an ô or a ü or even a æ on you so fast you won't even know what hit you.
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Soccer is 90 minutes without commercial breaks or fat-man pauses or stopping the clock. It's a real sport. In 90 minutes plus a 10-minute halftime you're out of the stadium. You're there for the sport, not the overpriced beer or nachos.
The "soccer is lame" sentiment in the d-bag media is getting old.
The "soccer is lame" sentiment in the d-bag media is getting old.
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Nice Fnarf, compare schools like Notre Dame and Boston College that graduate over 90% of their athletes in football and basketball, many of those players are black to slavery, once again your obsession with race and basketball shows your, pun intended, true colors. Keep it up, your ignorance and bigotry is worse then "One Shining Moment".
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I love soccer.
And, guys who play soccer are hot.
Even the ones who only play pick-up in the park!
And, guys who play soccer are hot.
Even the ones who only play pick-up in the park!
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Soccer's no rugby, but it beats the hell out of gridiron (that abomination we colonials insist on calling "football," despite the fact that only really uses the feet for transportation). The forced anonymity that football gear creates is used to better theatrical effect in roller derby, where you can at least see everyone's tattoos and thighs. Insofar as sport is physical theater (and I, personally, can't imagine caring about it on any other level), turning your players in a faceless chorus less consequential than the busiest gaggle of Busby Berkeley extras seems wrongheaded; it has all the drama of poking a stick at an anthill and watching 'em crawl all over each other.
I like soccer because the level of athleticism is high; the urgency of the competition is slight, but easily comprehensible (rugby improves on this by raising the stakes with good old-fashioned violence, without throwing in a bunch of arbitrary rules that only fat guys who drink Budweiser can find the time to learn); the players are potently photogenic; and the palette is fundamentally international, pan-cultural, and ever-so-slightly androgynous.
I like soccer because the level of athleticism is high; the urgency of the competition is slight, but easily comprehensible (rugby improves on this by raising the stakes with good old-fashioned violence, without throwing in a bunch of arbitrary rules that only fat guys who drink Budweiser can find the time to learn); the players are potently photogenic; and the palette is fundamentally international, pan-cultural, and ever-so-slightly androgynous.
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