Thursday, March 19, 2009
Nerd Soccer Turd Open Thread
Posted by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM
The Sounders have a whopping TWO POINTS at halftime (or whatever they call it in Europe)!!!! Ohmygodohmygodohmygod!
Explain what's NOT boring about this real-people-foosball nonsense in the comments. And where the hell are the cheerleaders and beer commercials?
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One of the best professional sporting events I ever went to was a D.C. United game. For serious. It is so much better than American football.
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What is wrong with you, Jonah? You were a terrible addition to the Staff.
What are your credentials? Where did you go to school?
Help me understand why you are so dismal
What are your credentials? Where did you go to school?
Help me understand why you are so dismal
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If there's anything true about soccer, it's that any sweaty guy with a cotton shoelace tied around his forehead gets extra clown-job points if he's a white guy.
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Soccer cretins were making a mess of traffic in the city, vile little maggots driving around pissing everyone off. Can we trade Mayor Nickels, the Sounders and Eric Grandy to Oklahoma City for the Thunder?
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if you miss the cheerleaders and beer commercials it is not worth trying to explain.
why do you keep posting about it if you're so bored?
you look like a total douche. a real red-state USA! USA! USA! type of guy.
it's the most popular game in the world. do you think there is the slightest chance you sound like a dipshit here?
slog keeps getting worse. who the fuck are you anyway? try getting an education.
why do you keep posting about it if you're so bored?
you look like a total douche. a real red-state USA! USA! USA! type of guy.
it's the most popular game in the world. do you think there is the slightest chance you sound like a dipshit here?
slog keeps getting worse. who the fuck are you anyway? try getting an education.
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See, Jonathan, in real football you only get one point for a goal -- not like gridiron, where you get to claim "seven". 14-0 looks like a lot of action, doesn't it? See, soccer doesn't cheat like that.
Er, make that 21-0 -- Montero just scored a third.
Er, make that 21-0 -- Montero just scored a third.
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Oh, and as a diehard fan I have to say that Jonah (sorry for that "Jonathan" that slipped out ) -- Jonah's trash-talking doesn't bother me a bit. Some of you folks are too sensitive. We should be able to attack each others' pastimes freely and with pleasure. Just because you're a sack of shit with the taste of a mule doesn't mean I don't love ya.
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Jonah's response is about what I'd expect from a fat, pasty slacker. I bet $20 he couldn't run half a soccer field to save his life. "Sports" to Jonah means sitting on his fat ass, watching TV, gorging on junk food and drooling over the cheerleaders that wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.
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Seattle's got a new sports hero, Freddy Montero, age 21, of Colombia. Leads the league in scoring!
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Soccer=small children and orange slices and capri sun
football=large children and pork rinds and budweiser
I see no difference here. Both are equally lame. Now hockey - there's a real man's sport for you bitches.
football=large children and pork rinds and budweiser
I see no difference here. Both are equally lame. Now hockey - there's a real man's sport for you bitches.
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Three Points.
Total shut out.
They played defense when our smaller more nimble team slaughtered them.
If their goalie wasn't as great as he wa, they would have lost by a lot more than 3-0.
SOUNDERS FOR THE WIN!
Total shut out.
They played defense when our smaller more nimble team slaughtered them.
If their goalie wasn't as great as he wa, they would have lost by a lot more than 3-0.
SOUNDERS FOR THE WIN!
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@17-I heart you too.
@18-email me and come to my football game on Saturday morning. It'll be fun when I run all over you and give you a concussion. Yay!
@everyone
I still think soccer is silly, but hey, I gave you a place to come and talk about footie, so there. It was out of love.
@18-email me and come to my football game on Saturday morning. It'll be fun when I run all over you and give you a concussion. Yay!
@everyone
I still think soccer is silly, but hey, I gave you a place to come and talk about footie, so there. It was out of love.
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You're high, Will. Their keeper sucked ass. That second goal nutmegged him.
Jonah, I'll bet you couldn't knock me out. I'm pretty dense.
Jonah, I'll bet you couldn't knock me out. I'm pretty dense.
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Fredy Montero was great, but so was Casey Keller (I didn't know he is from WA)! This will be a fun season to watch!
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Keep on skating close to the edge, Abby....
Keller's not good enough for the Prem but I think he's going to rule MLS. If this game is any indication, at least.
Keller's not good enough for the Prem but I think he's going to rule MLS. If this game is any indication, at least.
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Jonah, you can't answer my question because you probably have no credentials.
You are embarrassing.
You are embarrassing.
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Keller's not even still up to the Bundesliga, but he'll do a job here. And it wouldn't be a soccer thread if I didn't mock Spurs a little.
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Montero - total fave.
but the LA goalie is the only reason they didn't lose 14-0.
Great team.
And I loved the flashy green and blue side panels.
BOO YA!
but the LA goalie is the only reason they didn't lose 14-0.
Great team.
And I loved the flashy green and blue side panels.
BOO YA!
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They had a great keeper on LA side, but he was the only one doing any work after they lost three of their guys zap zap zap.
And then we pulled out our reserves and they never had a chance.
SOUNDERS! SOUNDERS! SOUNDERS!
And then we pulled out our reserves and they never had a chance.
SOUNDERS! SOUNDERS! SOUNDERS!
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I could not have broken slog because I'm not blodkng anything because I'm posting from my phone (we live in the future!!!)
And yay we won. Whatever.
If me being an albatross means I get to keep ragging on soccer then everybody wins!!!
And yes,fnarf, I could knock you out.
But I still love you.
Also, Yay we won!!!!!!
And yay we won. Whatever.
If me being an albatross means I get to keep ragging on soccer then everybody wins!!!
And yes,fnarf, I could knock you out.
But I still love you.
Also, Yay we won!!!!!!
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@18 - Easy, Fnarf. You don't want Montero's family to get kidnapped, or him to get shot and killed when he fucks up in a World Cup game.
Yep. Soccer is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more civilized than the brutish brand of American football.
Yep. Soccer is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more civilized than the brutish brand of American football.
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Fnarf was one of teh LA players - all big and dressed in white while our sly green and blue shorter players just kept attacking and driving it home for another shot.
Defense ain't worth shiite if that's all you do.
Defense ain't worth shiite if that's all you do.
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Jonah, you couldn't knock me out with a tire iron and three guys. Down, but not out. My head is solid bone all the way through. I fell off the porch once and literally broke the sidewalk. Plus I'm 230 pounds of Grade Z beef - fat, slow, uncoordinated, but I got a low center of gravity, and a LOT of fucking gravity.
Will, you are just stupid.
Will, you are just stupid.
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Jonah: the key to enjoying soccer is: 20 oz. English style beer 1st half. 20 oz. English style beer 2nd half. You'll get to liking playoff/championship matches, with overtime and what not: 30 minutes for your next 20 oz beer.
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Lol, let's not go there again, Fnarf.
Seriously, you're LA.
I'm Sounders.
All your white won't save you.
Seriously, you're LA.
I'm Sounders.
All your white won't save you.
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Where is a whale when you need one.
Jonah we must write your name in THE book of infidels.
Soccer is the world's game. So says me and 5.75 billion people.
Perhaps you are Canadian? Eh?
Jonah we must write your name in THE book of infidels.
Soccer is the world's game. So says me and 5.75 billion people.
Perhaps you are Canadian? Eh?
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Keep talking, Will, you're embarrassing yourself, and that's always fun. I was what again? An "LA player", did you say? What does that even mean? Are you drunk?
Yes, the NY defense is terrible, but their keeper made a ton of horrible errors. He almost handled the ball outside the box, where he shouldn't have been in the first place; he had a goal go between his legs; and he just plain got beat more than once, with the ball and Sounders behind him.
Yes, the NY defense is terrible, but their keeper made a ton of horrible errors. He almost handled the ball outside the box, where he shouldn't have been in the first place; he had a goal go between his legs; and he just plain got beat more than once, with the ball and Sounders behind him.
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Soccer was fun when I played it as a kid, but now, ehhh. It may be sophisticated, but sophisticated doesn't necessarily mean fun. On the other hand, Hockey and Roller Derby are serious gonzo rock and roll sports.
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Will@57, you need to watch players like Crosby and Malkin with the Pens and Hossa and Zetterberg with the Red Wings, plus check out some footage on youtube of Bobby Orr to see the artistry of Hockey. T-Bird junior hockey is a poor frame of reference.
And yes Roller Derby is only fun when the girls do it-they are a rare breed to do what they do. It's redundant for guys since we have so many other options for violence.
And yes Roller Derby is only fun when the girls do it-they are a rare breed to do what they do. It's redundant for guys since we have so many other options for violence.
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I always thought hockey was boring until a native Bostonian sat me down and showed my how to watch it. First lesson: stop trying to watch the puck, you can't see it. It's not unlike soccer, really; when you get to the point where you know where the players who AREN'T on screen are, you can start to appreciate what they're doing, because you'll be expecting them when they come into view.
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the match was brilliant. i loved every minute of it. i just don't want to buy my tickets online from ticketmaster! is it worth it to slog down to qwest field to buy them in person? oh, and i wanna shag fredie montero. square biz.
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I was in the 117 section -- excellent seats, could see the farside very well and only cost $20.
The best thing about soccer is they don't stop the clock for penalties and balls going out of bounds or even for people getting knocked out on the field. I also like the loosey-goosey way the refs can add "extra time" if they feel some of it was used up a bit too capriciously...overall, it moved more fluidly than a standard baseball, football or hockey game because of this!
Very festive atmosphere at Qwest...good balance of families and rowdy dudes screaming and making fun.
The best thing about soccer is they don't stop the clock for penalties and balls going out of bounds or even for people getting knocked out on the field. I also like the loosey-goosey way the refs can add "extra time" if they feel some of it was used up a bit too capriciously...overall, it moved more fluidly than a standard baseball, football or hockey game because of this!
Very festive atmosphere at Qwest...good balance of families and rowdy dudes screaming and making fun.
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#15 You get 6 points for a touchdown, not 7.
For what it's worth, I don't think Jonah likes baseball either. He's still a good writer.
For what it's worth, I don't think Jonah likes baseball either. He's still a good writer.
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Did I miss a comment where someone called Will an idiot for thinking the Sounders played a team from LA and not NY or is it just naturally assumed he's a moron and we don't have to call him on it any longer?
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I meant to add, when will SLOG address the elegance that is curling? Jonah, you'd like curling. It's sponsored by Labatts and the girl from the most recent team USA was hot.
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I'm just a casual viewer, but my random thoughts are:
Montero was awesome, I think one of the announcers said he scored 43 goals in 3 seasons down in Colombia? Amazing.
Keller's pretty damn good for being probably the oldest player out there by at least a half-decade. Of course, as a keeper his knees probably aren't worn to the nub yet.
That Le Toux seemed to be in all the right places at the right times. Definitely someone to keep an eye on as a key playmaker.
Nice to see the Qwest Field effect carry over into the football realm from the, er, football realm.
Montero was awesome, I think one of the announcers said he scored 43 goals in 3 seasons down in Colombia? Amazing.
Keller's pretty damn good for being probably the oldest player out there by at least a half-decade. Of course, as a keeper his knees probably aren't worn to the nub yet.
That Le Toux seemed to be in all the right places at the right times. Definitely someone to keep an eye on as a key playmaker.
Nice to see the Qwest Field effect carry over into the football realm from the, er, football realm.
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Hey soccer fans!
I'm not the only one who sees right through you.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/03/…
I'm not the only one who sees right through you.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/03/…
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i don't get the whole football vs football thing. american football and regular football are totally different sports, why bother comparing them. i prefer rugby personally. more fun to play more fun to watch and way more beer to drink.
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Americans have shit taste in sports.
Let's review:
Baseball - It's a slow as fuck excuse to drink beer for several hours in the afternoon, and the juicing pussies who play it have to delay the game every time they get condensation on their glove or the humidity's wrong or a bird farts. Once they do play, most of the time the players are essentially staring at each other motionless. There is a reason the only other nation that's really into this game is Japan. These are the people who build gardens out of rocks, for fuck's sake. And this is our national pastime. Not even sport: pastime.
Redeeming value: Basically none, except it gives arrogant, know-it-all, drunken assholes something to argue about so I don't have to deal with them. Also placates them by giving them the illusion they know math.
Football - A mindlessly violent (not to mention homoerotic, which is ironic given the homophobia that pervades the sport) game consisting of brain damaged goliaths slamming into each other in pursuit of a fucked-up ball in order to score a seemingly arbitrary number of points (usually 7...I mean, why not? It's prime...) getting to the end of the field in various situations. Oh, and there are two poles you can kick the fucked-up ball between to get 3 points. For some reason. And there's one guy on each team who does nothing but that. Basically, it's Calvinball except you don't change the rules every time. I'm pretty sure a 6-year-old with rage issues came up with this game.
Redeeming value: There is actually some strategy involved, and they had the sense to make up a meaningless job for hot girls that required them to wear tight clothing at the games.
Basketball - Only people with Marfan's syndrome can play this sport. It's basically a circus freak show except the freaks are given a task, in this case getting a ball to go through a hoop. Except the hoop is up high so the freakishly tall people have to jump a lot. Also the sneakers have to squeak so that everyone gets a headache by the end of the game.
Redeeming value: Gives hope to those whose most marketable talent involves bouncing a ball against a hard surface. Distracts inner city youth from the fact they have been abandoned by society.
Golf - I'll leave this one to the venerable George Carlin: "It's like watching flies fuck."
Redeeming value: Occupies fat, old, rich white men with the delusion that they have any athletic ability whatsoever while their trophy wives have sex with younger, hotter, and poorer men.
On the other hand, soccer, which lets remember EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET prefers, actually requires its players to be in shape (I'll put money down on soccer players out-running players from any other sport), requires honest-to-god skill from every player, has a very simple set of rules, requires team coordination, doesn't engage in point inflation, and perhaps most importantly has continuous play instead of 10-second spurts of action followed by long, drawn-out pauses that allow the commentators to demonstrate their 8th grade expository and analytical skills.
Join me in South Africa next year and be enlightened.
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Let's review:
Baseball - It's a slow as fuck excuse to drink beer for several hours in the afternoon, and the juicing pussies who play it have to delay the game every time they get condensation on their glove or the humidity's wrong or a bird farts. Once they do play, most of the time the players are essentially staring at each other motionless. There is a reason the only other nation that's really into this game is Japan. These are the people who build gardens out of rocks, for fuck's sake. And this is our national pastime. Not even sport: pastime.
Redeeming value: Basically none, except it gives arrogant, know-it-all, drunken assholes something to argue about so I don't have to deal with them. Also placates them by giving them the illusion they know math.
Football - A mindlessly violent (not to mention homoerotic, which is ironic given the homophobia that pervades the sport) game consisting of brain damaged goliaths slamming into each other in pursuit of a fucked-up ball in order to score a seemingly arbitrary number of points (usually 7...I mean, why not? It's prime...) getting to the end of the field in various situations. Oh, and there are two poles you can kick the fucked-up ball between to get 3 points. For some reason. And there's one guy on each team who does nothing but that. Basically, it's Calvinball except you don't change the rules every time. I'm pretty sure a 6-year-old with rage issues came up with this game.
Redeeming value: There is actually some strategy involved, and they had the sense to make up a meaningless job for hot girls that required them to wear tight clothing at the games.
Basketball - Only people with Marfan's syndrome can play this sport. It's basically a circus freak show except the freaks are given a task, in this case getting a ball to go through a hoop. Except the hoop is up high so the freakishly tall people have to jump a lot. Also the sneakers have to squeak so that everyone gets a headache by the end of the game.
Redeeming value: Gives hope to those whose most marketable talent involves bouncing a ball against a hard surface. Distracts inner city youth from the fact they have been abandoned by society.
Golf - I'll leave this one to the venerable George Carlin: "It's like watching flies fuck."
Redeeming value: Occupies fat, old, rich white men with the delusion that they have any athletic ability whatsoever while their trophy wives have sex with younger, hotter, and poorer men.
On the other hand, soccer, which lets remember EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET prefers, actually requires its players to be in shape (I'll put money down on soccer players out-running players from any other sport), requires honest-to-god skill from every player, has a very simple set of rules, requires team coordination, doesn't engage in point inflation, and perhaps most importantly has continuous play instead of 10-second spurts of action followed by long, drawn-out pauses that allow the commentators to demonstrate their 8th grade expository and analytical skills.
Join me in South Africa next year and be enlightened.
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Sadly, Jonah came to an untimely end in 2011 when he was found dead of multiple boomerang wounds after unwisely snarking on the Cricket World Cup in front of some drunk Aussies.
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@73 You and everyone else here keeps referring to the violence of football. Maybe the fans of football channel their rage into drinking and cheering for the on-field violence as opposed to trampling, stabbing, shooting, beheading, burning one another. The idea that soccer is sophisticated and genteel is laughable, just look at the hoodlums that watch the shit.
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Good lord, are you like 80 or something? This anti-soccer stuff is usually what I hear from the pre-dead (excuse me retirees) that I have to deal with at work.
If you don't like the sport, then don't watch it. I think basketball is like watching paint dry, but I don't write columns about it. I just don't waste my money on tickets.
If you don't like the sport, then don't watch it. I think basketball is like watching paint dry, but I don't write columns about it. I just don't waste my money on tickets.
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don;'t like the topic, that don't read it. it's easier than you think, don't like the topic, then don't read the comments, duh. don't like the topic, then why bother to even say anything here (which guarantees that you'll come back every few hours to see if your comment got a response)?
more banning and less discussion, please. we're still paying off the kingdome, which was a very functional space. asshat says wot?
more banning and less discussion, please. we're still paying off the kingdome, which was a very functional space. asshat says wot?
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No one really likes soccer its just something for hipster douches to pretend they like to feel more European and pretentious.
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It is a bit like that Stuff White People like article. I have a question though. Where would the best team in the MLS fit in the European league system? If a player like Montero has a great year here in Seattle, the next level is to go to ManU or one of the big European/South American clubs. MLS is like minor league or 4th division quality soccer to the rest of the world. You're basically watching people who aren't good enough to make their dreams of playing for a real team come true.
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Jonah is a real man among the pansies on SLOG. The cheese-eating, wine-sipping, footie wimps can bite it.
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Though I think Will had exited the cockpit and let the cider fly the airplane by the rest of the way in last night, he did manage to make a solid claim @57.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlYmQ_jIs…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlYmQ_jIs…
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Jonah, the reason it's so exciting to watch a game with only three points is because it's ACTUALLY DIFFICULT to score those points. You don't know anticipation until you're into the 100th minute of a tied game. Try getting excited the next time the Lakers go over 100 points. Wow, they put da ball in da basket for the hundred and first time. Yawn.
And sweaty soccer players are hot when you can appreciate how hard they work. I couldn't, until I became a runner. You won't understand it either, as long as you remain the slovenly douche you are.
And sweaty soccer players are hot when you can appreciate how hard they work. I couldn't, until I became a runner. You won't understand it either, as long as you remain the slovenly douche you are.
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little late to the party but
*soccer teams are composed of guys that are near-universally hot, and obligate-universally in delicious shape, unlike football teams, which have like two hot guys (qb and kicker) while the rest of them 'roid up and chow down to accumulate the most mass to be as good a momentum dissipater possible for the other team
*the action doesn't stop every 25 seconds
*know in football, where there are three exciting drives per game, where they run, or like, actually catch the ball? in soccer, that's the whole game.
*no cheerleaders or beer commercials. (sorry, i like dudes.)
*soccer teams are composed of guys that are near-universally hot, and obligate-universally in delicious shape, unlike football teams, which have like two hot guys (qb and kicker) while the rest of them 'roid up and chow down to accumulate the most mass to be as good a momentum dissipater possible for the other team
*the action doesn't stop every 25 seconds
*know in football, where there are three exciting drives per game, where they run, or like, actually catch the ball? in soccer, that's the whole game.
*no cheerleaders or beer commercials. (sorry, i like dudes.)
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@79: the point is supporting one's local team, which is what people should do when sports are concerned. I know I'm being hypocritical, since my normal soccer support goes to Arsenal and Hertha BSC Berlin and sometimes FC Barcelona. But it's good to support your team no matter where they are in the scheme of things.
(The best MLS teams, to answer your question, would probably do okay in the Championship, the division below the big league in England. Lower-to-mid table. And Montero, if he has a really good season here, probably won't make the leap right up to Man U. I could see him at a lower La Liga side at first, which would still be a major step up from MLS. But that's not the point.)
(The best MLS teams, to answer your question, would probably do okay in the Championship, the division below the big league in England. Lower-to-mid table. And Montero, if he has a really good season here, probably won't make the leap right up to Man U. I could see him at a lower La Liga side at first, which would still be a major step up from MLS. But that's not the point.)
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Aside from anything I already mentioned in the other thread, (mostly boiling down to soccer being better theater, and soccer players being hotter than players of other sports), and granting a concession that soccer isn't QUITE as cool as either rugby or roller derby, here's another thought inspired by your own comments, jonah:
Cheerleaders and beer commercials are part of the PROBLEM that some of us have with gridiron, not a benefit we enjoy. It goes with the bad music. Perhaps it's because we had to rely on international television to bring us soccer back in the old days, but the result is that I associate with late '80s, early '90s Mancunian psychedelia and "alternative" dance rock, baggy pants, and hooded sweatshirts; American football makes me think of second-rate mainstream rap and McDonald's commercials. Granted that this is part of how they sell the product, but when the product is essentially a form of entertainment, the packaging IS part of what you're buying into, no?
Likewise, the cheerleaders . . . While I'm not one to suggest that there's something inherently misogynistic about objectification (after all, the players are being objectified in their own right . . . though more so in soccer or rugby, where you can actually SEE them), there IS something so very . . . COMMON about the beauty standards applied football cheerleaders. For those of us who think Amber Valentine and Amanda Palmer are the most beautiful women in pop culture, the average cheerleader is a bit vanilla.
As for beer commercials, well, I'll start caring if any GOOD beers actually advertise during football games.
Cheerleaders and beer commercials are part of the PROBLEM that some of us have with gridiron, not a benefit we enjoy. It goes with the bad music. Perhaps it's because we had to rely on international television to bring us soccer back in the old days, but the result is that I associate with late '80s, early '90s Mancunian psychedelia and "alternative" dance rock, baggy pants, and hooded sweatshirts; American football makes me think of second-rate mainstream rap and McDonald's commercials. Granted that this is part of how they sell the product, but when the product is essentially a form of entertainment, the packaging IS part of what you're buying into, no?
Likewise, the cheerleaders . . . While I'm not one to suggest that there's something inherently misogynistic about objectification (after all, the players are being objectified in their own right . . . though more so in soccer or rugby, where you can actually SEE them), there IS something so very . . . COMMON about the beauty standards applied football cheerleaders. For those of us who think Amber Valentine and Amanda Palmer are the most beautiful women in pop culture, the average cheerleader is a bit vanilla.
As for beer commercials, well, I'll start caring if any GOOD beers actually advertise during football games.
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*the action doesn't stop every 25 seconds
What you call action, I call guys running in place for most of the game.
What you call action, I call guys running in place for most of the game.
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1.) Good sports don't end in ties.
2.) Good sports have more than one beer/bathroom break.
Ergo, baseball, REAL football, and hockey all smoke this bitch. That said, I'll probably still make it to a game or two. (God, I miss the Sonics.)
2.) Good sports have more than one beer/bathroom break.
Ergo, baseball, REAL football, and hockey all smoke this bitch. That said, I'll probably still make it to a game or two. (God, I miss the Sonics.)
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Footie in Seattle? Who wants to sit in the stands with 10,000 of Seattle's finest and fugliest, ball-kicking carpet munchers? This ain't Brazil, at least there the fans are honeys. Here it's butch dykes and fugly soccer moms. I want this:
http://www.zwani.com/graphics/portuguese…
Not this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co…
http://www.zwani.com/graphics/portuguese…
Not this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co…
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