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Politics Bordering on Nothing
Posted by Charles Mudede on Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM
What is this all about?
(CNN) — When her baby girl takes an afternoon nap, or on those nights when she just can't sleep, Sarah Andrews, 32, tosses off her identity as a suburban stay-at-home mom and becomes something more exotic: a "virtual deputy" patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border.
A Texas program lets Internet users around the world monitor live video from the Mexico border.From her house in a suburb of Rochester, New York, Andrews spends at least four hours a day watching a site called BlueServo.net.
There, because of a $2 million grant from the state of Texas, anyone in the world can watch grainy live video scenes of cactuses, desert mountains and the Rio Grande along Texas' portion of the international border.
When Andrews spots something she deems suspicious — perhaps a fuzzy character moving from right to left across the screen or people wading through the river with what appear to be trash bags atop their heads — she and the site's 43,000 registered users can send e-mail messages straight to local law enforcement, who then decide whether to act.
Later in the article...
Abernethy and Andrews, the two "virtual deputies," said they would like to see greater transparency in the project. Both said they have e-mailed notes of suspicious activity to law enforcement, but neither has heard whether their alerts were of any help."It's interesting. You see different things on there, but I just -- I don't know that it's doing any good," said Andrews, the stay-at-home mom. "I wonder if it's a waste of time."
She said she hopes her work as "virtual deputy" will prevent so many drugs from working their way north from Mexico into New York. She also said the site draws her interest because she's nosy about what's going on along Texas' 1,250-mile international border.
Abernethy said he will continue to watch the cameras because he feels like he's part of an altruistic group of volunteers. Friends tease him about watching the site, he said. But he sees it as no worse than any other form of quick entertainment — and maybe he can be of some help in the process.
"It's no different than watching 'Everybody Loves Raymond' reruns," he said. "It's just something to do."
The closest answer to the true meaning of this empty activity, virtual patrolling of the Mexican-US border, can be found in this Solomon Katz lecture, "Porous Sovereignty, Walled Democracy," by the Wendy Brown, a Professor of Political Science at the University of California, Berkeley.
The theatricality of the wall, the whole sad business of watching it on webcams, reveals what it exactly tries to hide: nothing can be done about the problem. And, more profoundly, that it might not even be a problem. It might be a political issue and nothing more . The fact that ordinary citizens can be "virtual deputies" for entertainment or for burning the long hours of insomnia is a consequence of the state's lack of any solution to the hot or emotional issue of human traffic on the border. What we have, then, is a coupling of two nothings: a wall that has nothing to do with the realities of illegal immigration with virtual deputies who have nothing to do in their free time. Like the meeting of two black holes in deep space, a void collapses into another void.
The great wall of nothingness, however, has produced some impressive photos, such as this one at National Geographic.
The photo is by Diane Cook and Len Jenshel
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Here's something worth noting: Rochester is actually a border city. It sits right on the international waters of Lake Ontario, and is spitting distance from Canada. If Sarah Andrews really cared about drug smuggling or illegal immigrants, she could probably keep a closer watch on the border by simply looking out her window. But that's the unspoken truth behind all of these moronic "border activists." What keeps them up at night isn't increased crime or respect for international law. It's fear of the dark skinned "invaders," pure and simple. These freaks are so obsessed by their own racism that they'd rather spend their nights scanning the web for outrage than using their lives productively or spending time with their families. The whole thing is sick.
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These innocent hardworking illegal immigrants never do anything wrong! It must be racism to be opposed to illegal immigration! There is no other way to look at it!
http://daylaborers.org/
http://daylaborers.org/
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@3 But really, what kind of person would commit four hours a night to this kind of activity? It's not too much of a stretch to say that this would be an attractive hobby to the xenophobic racist crowd.
I mean, if they really wanted to "make a difference", they wouldn't be wasting their time looking at pictures of the desert on the internet.
I mean, if they really wanted to "make a difference", they wouldn't be wasting their time looking at pictures of the desert on the internet.
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When I saw this article, I had to go to the website. Sure enough, at dark, I saw a car moving across a wheatfield. Did I do anything? Click the "report" button? Fuck no. Fuck Texas. I kind of cheered them on.
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Yay! More Mexicans who will rape, kill, and sell drugs!
You fucking naive liberal morons in Seattle don't even realize that 99% of those illegal alien Mexicans are EVEN MORE REDNECK than the white rednecks you hate so much.
You fucking naive liberal morons in Seattle don't even realize that 99% of those illegal alien Mexicans are EVEN MORE REDNECK than the white rednecks you hate so much.
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@1 -- It would be a long spit to Canada from Rochester. Have you actually been there, or are you just spouting off about something you know nothing about? If you had bothered to look at a map, you'd see that's probably at least 20 miles to Canada from Rochester.
BTW, watch the video of Wendy Brown -- that is some batshit crazy gibberish -- I think I found at least *one* position in the UC system that could be eliminated to help with the budget deficit down there.
BTW, watch the video of Wendy Brown -- that is some batshit crazy gibberish -- I think I found at least *one* position in the UC system that could be eliminated to help with the budget deficit down there.
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Virtually patrol the border! You TOO can make a difference!
This is just one venue for an increasingly larger phenomenon, that of Americans (and humans in general) seeking relevancy in the information age.
By comparison, there are people logging late night hours volunteering to sift through photos of galaxies taken by Hubble.
Some people spend their hours thinking about illegal immigration. Others spend their hours thinking about stars.
Still, others monitor the "tweets" of electronically monitored houseplants.
it's a pastime that reflects on the nature of the person volunteering their time in front of their portal to the information webs of the 21st century.
All in all, it's still not as sad as, say, people who follow blogs just to be the one who gets to post "first."
This is just one venue for an increasingly larger phenomenon, that of Americans (and humans in general) seeking relevancy in the information age.
By comparison, there are people logging late night hours volunteering to sift through photos of galaxies taken by Hubble.
Some people spend their hours thinking about illegal immigration. Others spend their hours thinking about stars.
Still, others monitor the "tweets" of electronically monitored houseplants.
it's a pastime that reflects on the nature of the person volunteering their time in front of their portal to the information webs of the 21st century.
All in all, it's still not as sad as, say, people who follow blogs just to be the one who gets to post "first."
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The Border Patrol decides whether to respond or not to these anonymous internet tips based on whether or not they have been paid to look the other way for that particular crossing. You don't think those guys really subsist on their government paychecks, do you?
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Opening up the borders to more legal immigrants would solve a great deal of our problems. First, legal immigrants would be more likely to go back home after earning enough money to help out their families or start a family of their own, thereby causing our culture to be less "polluted" by those supposed undesirables. (Fact: After the border was closed, more Mexicans have settled down here permanently. Making it way too difficult for immigrants to come and go as they please means most will choose to stay for good.)
Second, by making sure people who have good intentions are passing through legal checkpoints, we can be even more certain that people crossing the border illegally are up to no good (i.e. running drugs). This makes for smarter border enforcement.
The fact that our government will not take the sensible approach proves that this has nothing to do with keeping us safe and everything to do with coddling idiots like the guy at #3, 4, 12, and 14.
Second, by making sure people who have good intentions are passing through legal checkpoints, we can be even more certain that people crossing the border illegally are up to no good (i.e. running drugs). This makes for smarter border enforcement.
The fact that our government will not take the sensible approach proves that this has nothing to do with keeping us safe and everything to do with coddling idiots like the guy at #3, 4, 12, and 14.
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keshmeshi obviously lives nowhere near a neighborhood made up of a majority of illegal aliens from Mexico, unlike me. STFU you naive turd because you have absolutely no idea of the things you are writing about or the kids of problems these people cause.
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#4 Furthermore you fucking retard, you do realize that the site you linked to is anti-all immigrants right? If you actually believe the shit on that site, you're probably a closet white supremacist. Do the world a favor and eat a bullet.
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@1 - I wasn't aware that Canada was on the frontlines of the heroin-smuggling operations. All that sticky black Canadian tar... Or is it the Saskatchewan White that's invading our country and turning our kids into zombies?
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"If you actually believe the shit on that site, you're probably a closet white supremacist. Do"
Yes, they must be just making up out of whole cloth all those news stories that they link to about horrible crimes committed by illegal alien day-laborers. There can be no other explanation but racism! All good Seattle liberals know for a fact that illegal alien Mexican men never commit crimes like rape, murder, drunk driving, drug dealing, etc. etc. ect. It is just not possible for them to do so since they are all innocent saints and probably Catholics too!
http://daylaborers.org/
ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM MEXICO ARE USUALLY EVEN MORE REDNECK THAN THE WHITE REDNECKS YOU NAIVE LIBERAL WHITEYS IN SEATTLE HATE SO MUCH
Yes, they must be just making up out of whole cloth all those news stories that they link to about horrible crimes committed by illegal alien day-laborers. There can be no other explanation but racism! All good Seattle liberals know for a fact that illegal alien Mexican men never commit crimes like rape, murder, drunk driving, drug dealing, etc. etc. ect. It is just not possible for them to do so since they are all innocent saints and probably Catholics too!
http://daylaborers.org/
ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM MEXICO ARE USUALLY EVEN MORE REDNECK THAN THE WHITE REDNECKS YOU NAIVE LIBERAL WHITEYS IN SEATTLE HATE SO MUCH
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I'm sure local law enforcement has a procedure all worked out for these vigilante calls coming in. Something along the likes of "mv * /dev/null". If they sent the SWAT team out every time Marge thought she saw the curtains move, they'd never get anything done.
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27: I lived in a Mexican-American community. My father actually lives in Mexico. You don't know what you're talking about, so why don't you shut the fuck up you dumbass? It's easy to be a white supremacits, nativist douchebag when you don't have to use your real name. But you probably think you're some sly nationalist insurgent, huh?
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And there ain't no drugs coming from Canada neither!
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/year+se…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime…
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadia…
Keep your eyes off Whitey! Only Brown People are bad!
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/year+se…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime…
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadia…
Keep your eyes off Whitey! Only Brown People are bad!
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@20 Yeah, but I don't have any naive ideas that wasting time on SLOG is making the world a better place or making my country safer.
The sad fact is that the only thing any of us can do to combat the flow of drugs from Mexico is to not do them. Want to know why our country is infested with Mexican drugs and the violent people who transport them? It's because Americans love to use them. Simple supply and demand.
The sad fact is that the only thing any of us can do to combat the flow of drugs from Mexico is to not do them. Want to know why our country is infested with Mexican drugs and the violent people who transport them? It's because Americans love to use them. Simple supply and demand.
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@31
There certainly are nowhere near as many rapists, murderers, and drunk drivers coming over the border illegally from Canada as there are from Mexico.
There certainly are nowhere near as many rapists, murderers, and drunk drivers coming over the border illegally from Canada as there are from Mexico.
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Charles,
My understanding is you're an immigrant (you were born in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe). You reside in the USA legally. My question is what is necessarily wrong with a national policy (including the building of a border fence) to reasonably prevent people from illegally (outside of granting asylum) entering the USA? I'm for some immigration reform (I like what Germany has-working residents on a path to permanent citizenship) but any nation has a right to regulate who enters it.
My understanding is you're an immigrant (you were born in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe). You reside in the USA legally. My question is what is necessarily wrong with a national policy (including the building of a border fence) to reasonably prevent people from illegally (outside of granting asylum) entering the USA? I'm for some immigration reform (I like what Germany has-working residents on a path to permanent citizenship) but any nation has a right to regulate who enters it.
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Only white supremacists are against illegal aliens from Latin America. No black people or Asians ever care about illegal immigration.
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Rochester is about a 3 hour drive from the Canadian border due to there being a massive lake there. Anyway, this doesn't surprise me, that city tends to have a hollowed-out old school wasteland of an urban core with struggling elements of progressivism. Unfortunately, no jobs = no hope for that sort of thing. The suburbs are largely vanilla and full of classist, comfortably racist people who may have never seen a Mexican in their life but have no problem wanting to bring the boot down on "fur'ners". They pretty much associate immigrants with crime. And black people with crime(guess who lives in the city?).
I'm making a gross generalization about the red suburbs there but there are largely a bunch of angry lower middle-class white folks looking for someone to blame for their problems and if they can externalize an enemy they've never met(Mexicans, Arabs, etc) to blame for their problems they'll go for an easy solution.
I'm making a gross generalization about the red suburbs there but there are largely a bunch of angry lower middle-class white folks looking for someone to blame for their problems and if they can externalize an enemy they've never met(Mexicans, Arabs, etc) to blame for their problems they'll go for an easy solution.
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The USA needs more poor people! We don't have enough! I demand we import millions more poor people! It's the progressive thing to do! Let's make everyone equally poor!
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@39 How awful for those evil white people to want to stay away from the group that makes up only 12% of the USA but commits 52% of all murders and 34% of all rapes every year.
What the hell is wrong with them? What a bunch of bores.
What the hell is wrong with them? What a bunch of bores.
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All of us who are making logical arguments based on empirical data are going to get nowhere with this bunch. You can point to a thousand studies about the ineffectiveness of the border wall, the folly of this video project, the impossibility of extracting immigrants from our economy, the statistically small numbers of immigrants, even illegal immigrants, involved in crimes, etc. etc. It won't matter one bit to the angry fools who have already made up their minds based on fear and hatred. The more we try to argue rationally, the more we hear comments like @4, 12, 37, etc. These are angry and ignorant folks who would rather hate somebody - anybody - than take responsibility for their own shortcomings. If they were prepared to be reasonable we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.
BTW, Gotta hand it to Charles for once again placing his finger directly on a pressure point.
BTW, Gotta hand it to Charles for once again placing his finger directly on a pressure point.
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@42. Are those numbers for who actually commits that many murder and rapes of just the number of those who are convicted? I could make a huge long argument about how the judicial system is clearly racist. Take a look at jury selection in cities like Chicago. You're not actually guaranteed a fair trial! Also, more mexicans are impoverished and therefore required to rely on public defenders who have beyond heavy case loads. Stats aren't the only story here.
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@42, Um, you realize that Mexicans aren't African-American, right? Mexicans (and Arabs, for that matter) are white.
Also, men make up 49% of the country and commit over 90% of murders and over 99% of rapes. Let's deport them.
@41, I don't think an undocumented gardener makes you more poor. They make you less poor.
Also, men make up 49% of the country and commit over 90% of murders and over 99% of rapes. Let's deport them.
@41, I don't think an undocumented gardener makes you more poor. They make you less poor.
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All good Seattle liberals know for a fact that millions of evil whites are getting away with murder and rape every day.
The evil newspapers like the SF Gate, the Houston Chronicle, the LA Times, the Dallas Morning News, and just about any other news source in the USA just make it look like Mexicans and blacks commit the most murders and rapes, because all those newspapers are staffed by a bunch of white supremacist KKK members. All those headlines are completely made up to make "people of color" look bad!
The evil newspapers like the SF Gate, the Houston Chronicle, the LA Times, the Dallas Morning News, and just about any other news source in the USA just make it look like Mexicans and blacks commit the most murders and rapes, because all those newspapers are staffed by a bunch of white supremacist KKK members. All those headlines are completely made up to make "people of color" look bad!
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The "dirty diapers" argument (#37! and again #46!) is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever read on this subject.
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42: I love how you idiots just cook up whatever numbers and statistics you want. Must be nice to have your own "think" tanks to spend hours fabricating numbers and manipulating data to fit your agedna.
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@49 - the reason you don't believe the dirty daipers thing is because you live nowhere near a neighborhood full of illegal mexicans. Just because you are a naive bitch does not mean the dirty daiper thing is a lie.
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@50 - yes, and it's great to have all those evil white supremacist newspapers to make up all those stories about black and mexican rapists and murderers too. All those stories in the newspapers about black or mexican murderers and rapists are totally false!!!!
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38: No, I'm specifically calling you and your ilk white supremacists, based not on your immigration stances but rather on the websites link to and your actual comments pertaining to race.
Let's put it this way. What if I publicized your name, picture and where you work, put it on a website so everyone could link up what you've said anonymously with your actual contact info, and then attracted a bunch of web traffic. Would you still stand by all the dumb shit you're saying on here if your employer and everyone knew about it? I've always been of the opinion that if you can't stand by what you say publicly, you're a coward who knows your ideas are bullshit.
If you really thought you were some nice guy shooting from the hip, you wouldn't need to troll anonymously.
Let's put it this way. What if I publicized your name, picture and where you work, put it on a website so everyone could link up what you've said anonymously with your actual contact info, and then attracted a bunch of web traffic. Would you still stand by all the dumb shit you're saying on here if your employer and everyone knew about it? I've always been of the opinion that if you can't stand by what you say publicly, you're a coward who knows your ideas are bullshit.
If you really thought you were some nice guy shooting from the hip, you wouldn't need to troll anonymously.
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@52 - isn't it obvious? Every single one of those black or mexican people who was arrested for rape and murder is being framed for a crime that was actually committed by a white person! That's how powerful and insidious the White Privilege Establishment is.
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@51 (& 37 & 46 &...) You might just be right! That's why you should take down the border cam and set up your own dirty diaper cam! You can spend all those long boring friendless hours watching Mexican babies shit themselves! Then you can call the border patrol and tell them you've found the culprits! "I caught them officer," you can say with pride. "I found the people who are making me so unhappy! I have hours and hours of footage of Mexican kids pooping in their diapers! And I demand satisfaction!" Those border guards, and the entire beleaguered country, are sure to thank you for your hard work. You might even get a medal!
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@#48 Have any of you hicks ever lived in the fucking ghetto? I mean a REAL ghetto(Seattle is sorely lacking, whatever you may think. Shady areas, yes, but you don't have Clarence Boddicker running wild). Just go to Rochester, Detroit, or some other rust belt cesspool and tell me who is killing whom and tell me there's a "colored menace" out there just preying on white folks. Go back to your college boy shenanigans and start beating up some pasty vegans. I heard Evergreen was full of them.
@#42. As a random example - 80-90% of rapes against women (except for American Indian women) are committed by someone of the same racial background as the victim. (US Dept. of Justice 1994). This is an old arguement ("They're after our womenfolk!"). Do you know the actual breakdown of rape demographics by ethnicity and location? Specifically racial and income level?
If it makes you feel any better, #42, I'm white and if I were a criminal, you would be my first victim. Would that be a hate crime?
Then again, does slapping you in the face with my dick constitute sexual assault?
@#42. As a random example - 80-90% of rapes against women (except for American Indian women) are committed by someone of the same racial background as the victim. (US Dept. of Justice 1994). This is an old arguement ("They're after our womenfolk!"). Do you know the actual breakdown of rape demographics by ethnicity and location? Specifically racial and income level?
If it makes you feel any better, #42, I'm white and if I were a criminal, you would be my first victim. Would that be a hate crime?
Then again, does slapping you in the face with my dick constitute sexual assault?
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@40Charles,
That's cool that you came here by plane, with the right papers and your family isn't poor. But, that still doesn't answer the question about whether a nation, any nation has a right to regulate who enters it even if it includes building a border fence. We the USA simply can't have unregulated entry especially now with this economic down turn. Without sounding nativist, you and I and our fellow Americans should be taken care of BEFORE illegal aliens should. We only have so many resources.
That's cool that you came here by plane, with the right papers and your family isn't poor. But, that still doesn't answer the question about whether a nation, any nation has a right to regulate who enters it even if it includes building a border fence. We the USA simply can't have unregulated entry especially now with this economic down turn. Without sounding nativist, you and I and our fellow Americans should be taken care of BEFORE illegal aliens should. We only have so many resources.
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We get dirty diapers left in our liberal Seattle yard -- left there by white people.
These supposed racist invaders are Village Voice Media employees, right?
These supposed racist invaders are Village Voice Media employees, right?
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If the 20th Century taught us anything, it's that walls don't keep people out, they keep people in!
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James Slone is my real name. I work at the University of Washington and can be found in the contact directory there. I run a website called endofmedia.com . I stand by everything I've said here under JMS.
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#65. Yeah, who happens to have lived most of his life in central, western and North Las Vegas, in neighborhoods that were heavily Hispanic and African-American. Not to mention one who has family in Mexico and step brothers and sisters who are Mexican nationals. But sure, I'm just a naive Seattleite, unlike you- I'm sure you're a very englightned, realistic, down-to-earth kind of guy.
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Between James Slone and Will in Seattle, does anyone actually do any work at the U or just spend their time posting on blogs?
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Well, if you've never lived in a border town or border state with Mexico, you can happily say "Oh, just let them all in." on the other hand if you have lived in a border town/state with Mexico, you probably are going to be less liberal. I don't mean you're going to be a hate spewing bigot *cough, #12, #21, cough, cough*, but the reality of "Let 'em all in!" is not very practical.
For one, an endless supply of cheap labor is how American employers justify paying shitty wages with no benefits. They can always find someone to do the job. Personally, I'm sick of American labor being used up and thrown away like kleenex, since I am American labor. I wish to be treated like a human being, and not a slave or a robot.
Secondly, not everyone coming from Mexico is Mexican. In fact most of them are coming from other countries, mainly Central/South America but other places too. I support treating our southern neighbor as fairly as our northern neighbor, but can we support all of Central/South America? Can we give them all jobs, education, social services? Probably not since we can't seem to do that for our own citizens. How the hell are we going to support someone else's citizens?
Thirdly, as the bile spewers pointed out, there is a higher crime rate amongst immigrants whether they are legal or illegal. They come from a different culture than ours and what is a crime in the U.S. is dismissed as unimportant 'there'. Cultures where "machismo" is all important cause a lot of problems in regards to respect for women and LBGT and just general respect for society (like gangbangers and their macho bullshit). Also, some Hispanics, thanks to The Conquistadors and the caste system, view other races (hint: darker skin than theirs) as inferior.
It is mainly culture clash that causes a problem between immigrant communities and local residents. People don't like new-comers. And not just whites...I've lived in a state where at least half the population is Hispanic and there is more trouble between the resident Hispanics (one's that have been here several generations) and the immigrants from Central/South America. Why? Because they are culturally different even though they are the same race and speak the same language. The new-comers think the Hispanic-Americans are stuck up snobs and the Hispanic-Americans think the new-comers are disrespectful and criminal.
http://www.unfpa.org/focus/nicaragua/new…
http://tomdiaz.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/…
http://www.rieti.go.jp/en/events/bbl/070…
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For one, an endless supply of cheap labor is how American employers justify paying shitty wages with no benefits. They can always find someone to do the job. Personally, I'm sick of American labor being used up and thrown away like kleenex, since I am American labor. I wish to be treated like a human being, and not a slave or a robot.
Secondly, not everyone coming from Mexico is Mexican. In fact most of them are coming from other countries, mainly Central/South America but other places too. I support treating our southern neighbor as fairly as our northern neighbor, but can we support all of Central/South America? Can we give them all jobs, education, social services? Probably not since we can't seem to do that for our own citizens. How the hell are we going to support someone else's citizens?
Thirdly, as the bile spewers pointed out, there is a higher crime rate amongst immigrants whether they are legal or illegal. They come from a different culture than ours and what is a crime in the U.S. is dismissed as unimportant 'there'. Cultures where "machismo" is all important cause a lot of problems in regards to respect for women and LBGT and just general respect for society (like gangbangers and their macho bullshit). Also, some Hispanics, thanks to The Conquistadors and the caste system, view other races (hint: darker skin than theirs) as inferior.
It is mainly culture clash that causes a problem between immigrant communities and local residents. People don't like new-comers. And not just whites...I've lived in a state where at least half the population is Hispanic and there is more trouble between the resident Hispanics (one's that have been here several generations) and the immigrants from Central/South America. Why? Because they are culturally different even though they are the same race and speak the same language. The new-comers think the Hispanic-Americans are stuck up snobs and the Hispanic-Americans think the new-comers are disrespectful and criminal.
http://www.unfpa.org/focus/nicaragua/new…
http://tomdiaz.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/…
http://www.rieti.go.jp/en/events/bbl/070…
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