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News The Morning News
Posted by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee on Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:20 AM
"Our government has forced what I believe is a false choice between sound science and moral values": Obama brings science back to life.
The Big Man: Meet Earl Devaney, the bad mofo heading up the stimulus oversight board.
Stand Down: US halts commando raids in Afghanistan following civilian deaths.
So True It Hurts: Celebrity gossip is ruining journalism.
Down For the Count: State orders Seattle Semi-Pro wrestling league to cease and desist.
Dead Man Walking: State supreme court refuses to halt execution scheduled for Friday.
No Win Situation: Mariners lost 693 games, $4.5 million last year.
One Small Step For TV Manufacturers, One Giant Leap For Couch Potatoes: The remote control evolves!
The week of crappy cartoons continues with Biker Mice From Mars:
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Stem Cell
Is it moral to experiment on human beings?
When life begins is a matter of science.
How to treat that life is a matter of ethics.
If Science has been reintroduced why doesn't Obama find out when life begins before deciding to experiment on it?
Is it moral to experiment on human beings?
When life begins is a matter of science.
How to treat that life is a matter of ethics.
If Science has been reintroduced why doesn't Obama find out when life begins before deciding to experiment on it?
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@2 you suck. Embryos/fetuses are not human beings. They CAN be, but are not yet. If you believe they are, that's up to you. I prefer to care for the lives already existing, not only potential ones. That's a moral choice I can live with.
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Re: Remotes
So what happens when half the people in my 50-unit apartment building all own a Sony TV with the same remote? That could get real interesting
So what happens when half the people in my 50-unit apartment building all own a Sony TV with the same remote? That could get real interesting
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Liberals (etc):
Is it moral to experiment on human beings? Sometimes. For example, if a person has allergies, the doctor may experiment with placing different allergens on that person's skin to find out what he is allergic to. Or a person with cancer may agree to undergo experimental treatment if he feels it is the best option. Usually it is not kosher to be experimenting on people without their consent, which is what I think you were probably getting at.
When life begins is a matter of science. Well, we can define life. Rocks and minerals are not alive. Plants and animals are. If you're talking about the point at which we consider a group of cells to be a person rather than a group of cells, I don't think there is a scientific consensus on the definition of personhood. It's a judgment call. If we are talking about embryonic stem cells, we are definitely talking about a very small group of cells. One hundred? Two hundred? And since we can't say scientifically that this does or does not count as a person, we must use our judgment, and when making this judgment, it's worth considering that each of us kills millions of human cells each day, just by being alive and moving around. It's also worth noting that many of the cells which are candidates for experimentation are cells grown in a lab, and are not, as some would have you believe, harvested "Matrix" style from babies.
How to treat that life is a matter of ethics. True that.
If Science has been reintroduced why doesn't Obama find out when life begins before deciding to experiment on it? The question of "when life begins" isn't answerable by science, but the question of whether a few dozen cells in a petri dish equals a human could not be answered "yes" by any reasonable person. So to answer your question, Obama has probably asked himself, is it okay for scientists to experiment with cells in a petri dish, provided they follow reasonable ethical and scientific standards, and that their goals are to cure diseases rather than to destroy mankind with a virulent disease that turns us into crazed, rock-throwing monkeys? And he has probably come to the conclusion that, yes, it is okay.
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Is it moral to experiment on human beings? Sometimes. For example, if a person has allergies, the doctor may experiment with placing different allergens on that person's skin to find out what he is allergic to. Or a person with cancer may agree to undergo experimental treatment if he feels it is the best option. Usually it is not kosher to be experimenting on people without their consent, which is what I think you were probably getting at.
When life begins is a matter of science. Well, we can define life. Rocks and minerals are not alive. Plants and animals are. If you're talking about the point at which we consider a group of cells to be a person rather than a group of cells, I don't think there is a scientific consensus on the definition of personhood. It's a judgment call. If we are talking about embryonic stem cells, we are definitely talking about a very small group of cells. One hundred? Two hundred? And since we can't say scientifically that this does or does not count as a person, we must use our judgment, and when making this judgment, it's worth considering that each of us kills millions of human cells each day, just by being alive and moving around. It's also worth noting that many of the cells which are candidates for experimentation are cells grown in a lab, and are not, as some would have you believe, harvested "Matrix" style from babies.
How to treat that life is a matter of ethics. True that.
If Science has been reintroduced why doesn't Obama find out when life begins before deciding to experiment on it? The question of "when life begins" isn't answerable by science, but the question of whether a few dozen cells in a petri dish equals a human could not be answered "yes" by any reasonable person. So to answer your question, Obama has probably asked himself, is it okay for scientists to experiment with cells in a petri dish, provided they follow reasonable ethical and scientific standards, and that their goals are to cure diseases rather than to destroy mankind with a virulent disease that turns us into crazed, rock-throwing monkeys? And he has probably come to the conclusion that, yes, it is okay.
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Read #4 above - it hits the nail on the head and sinks your long wind (and full of shit) argument. Embryos while contain the potential for life are not human beings. There is no ethical issues except in that tiny little "rock throwing" brain of yours. So, please do the world a favor and take yourself out of the gene pool.
Read #4 above - it hits the nail on the head and sinks your long wind (and full of shit) argument. Embryos while contain the potential for life are not human beings. There is no ethical issues except in that tiny little "rock throwing" brain of yours. So, please do the world a favor and take yourself out of the gene pool.
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693 games lost in 2008? That's a pretty dismal record, particularly when you consider the season only runs 162 games, not including post-season.
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Sad Comment: What? I agree with number 4. I can't imagine that you actually read what I wrong and though otherwise. Looking back, I can only think you took my address (Liberals (etc)), a reference to the screen name used to make comment number two, to mean that I was addressing all liberals as opposed to addressing the conservative commenter whose name I didn't feel like typing in full, because it was a full sentence and not really a screen name.
But! Your point is taken. We don't like long comments here. Later!
But! Your point is taken. We don't like long comments here. Later!
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The "cells in a petri dish" are alive.
If they are not 'homo sapiens' then what are they?
The biological question of "when is a new member of the species created" is very answerable.
If Obama is keen on 'Science' he should be curious about that question before he authorizes these life forms to be destroyed in research.
We play this game of "we don't know when life begins" but thaty is total BS. Anyone with any background in Biology could tell you (if they weren't terrified of crossing the academic PC police)
But we'll play along:
gee, we don't know when life begins...
we went to the moon and
split the atom and
can create babies thru IVF
but we have no idea when life begins.....
wait, I have an idea!
Science is back in town-
let's find out!!
I challenge Obama to commission studies to find out
"When Does Life Begin?".
He won't.
Because he knows and doesn't care.
A society that aborts 30 million babies isn't going to lose any sleep over zygotes.
What is the difference between experimenting on zygotes and what the Nazi's did?
What differs Liberals from Nazis?
Better PR.
If they are not 'homo sapiens' then what are they?
The biological question of "when is a new member of the species created" is very answerable.
If Obama is keen on 'Science' he should be curious about that question before he authorizes these life forms to be destroyed in research.
We play this game of "we don't know when life begins" but thaty is total BS. Anyone with any background in Biology could tell you (if they weren't terrified of crossing the academic PC police)
But we'll play along:
gee, we don't know when life begins...
we went to the moon and
split the atom and
can create babies thru IVF
but we have no idea when life begins.....
wait, I have an idea!
Science is back in town-
let's find out!!
I challenge Obama to commission studies to find out
"When Does Life Begin?".
He won't.
Because he knows and doesn't care.
A society that aborts 30 million babies isn't going to lose any sleep over zygotes.
What is the difference between experimenting on zygotes and what the Nazi's did?
What differs Liberals from Nazis?
Better PR.
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@10: Seconded. I don't follow baseball at all, but I still know that no team plays 693 games a year, let alone loses them all.
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the highest player payroll in franchise history at the same time that attendance dropped during the 101-loss season.
Trying to be like the Yankees?
Trying to be like the Yankees?
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#11
Oops, I am guilty of skimming the long post too. My apologies to Loch Ness Monster.
Douche of the Day Award has been re-assigned to be shared with Me and the Asshole @13.
Oops, I am guilty of skimming the long post too. My apologies to Loch Ness Monster.
Douche of the Day Award has been re-assigned to be shared with Me and the Asshole @13.
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To Loch Ness,
You are right I saw that "Liberals" in highlight, saw a long post and jumped to the wrong conclusion. That is what happens when I post before coffee. Ya end up hitting your own teammate.
I am sorry about that.
You are right I saw that "Liberals" in highlight, saw a long post and jumped to the wrong conclusion. That is what happens when I post before coffee. Ya end up hitting your own teammate.
I am sorry about that.
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13 is probably one of those people who think that if abortions are illegal they don't happen. oh, and that they didn't happen is huge numbers before roe v. wade all through human history. you know what kind of liberal you need, 13? a liberal education.
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We can ascertain if something is alive.
A zygote is.
We classify living things.
The zygote is 'homo sapiens'.
Science gets us this far.
Determining 'personhood' is not a question of science; it is ethics and morals and law.
However acknowledging the foundation 'science' is a prerequisite to forming enlightened social policy.
Playing games ("we don't know when life begins!") to avoid an uncomfortable conversation about stem cell research (and abortion) shoud be unacceptable to anyone dedicated to 'science'.
We can ascertain if something is alive.
A zygote is.
We classify living things.
The zygote is 'homo sapiens'.
Science gets us this far.
Determining 'personhood' is not a question of science; it is ethics and morals and law.
However acknowledging the foundation 'science' is a prerequisite to forming enlightened social policy.
Playing games ("we don't know when life begins!") to avoid an uncomfortable conversation about stem cell research (and abortion) shoud be unacceptable to anyone dedicated to 'science'.
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Dear zygotes are human. too bad researchers are not @ 13;
My spleen is alive.
If it is not 'homo sapiens' then what is it?
If it harms me and risks my life can I 'kill' my spleen or does my spleen have the rights of a fully developed human being? What about my tonsils? Oops, too late, they've already been callously destroyed.
The biological question of "when is a new member of the species created" is NOT very answerable. Christians say it begins at conception, Jews say it happens when a baby takes it's first breath. Some folks believe that every ejaculation is a human being.
IT IS A MATTER OF PERSONAL OPINION.
Get over it.
And stop forcing your religious beliefs down my throat.
m'kay? thxbye!
My spleen is alive.
If it is not 'homo sapiens' then what is it?
If it harms me and risks my life can I 'kill' my spleen or does my spleen have the rights of a fully developed human being? What about my tonsils? Oops, too late, they've already been callously destroyed.
The biological question of "when is a new member of the species created" is NOT very answerable. Christians say it begins at conception, Jews say it happens when a baby takes it's first breath. Some folks believe that every ejaculation is a human being.
IT IS A MATTER OF PERSONAL OPINION.
Get over it.
And stop forcing your religious beliefs down my throat.
m'kay? thxbye!
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#16
Actually, you deserve it a hell of a lot more than I do there Skippy. I don't think your shower took.
As soon as you went to the "Nazi" reference you put yourself in the running for "Douche of the Year."
Actually, you deserve it a hell of a lot more than I do there Skippy. I don't think your shower took.
As soon as you went to the "Nazi" reference you put yourself in the running for "Douche of the Year."
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Your destroyed spleen, tonsils and brain are part of a human being, they are not human beings.
You are the only one who has brought up religion.
Your destroyed spleen, tonsils and brain are part of a human being, they are not human beings.
You are the only one who has brought up religion.
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The "cells in a petri dish" are alive.
If they are not 'homo sapiens' then what are they?
At issue is not whether they are alive, nor whether they are human cells. At issue is whether they are a human being. If I prick my finger and bleed, those cells are alive. Do I fret about "killing" them? No, because they are cells. They are not self-aware. Surely you don't go to the barber and look at the hair on the floor and say, "my god, those were human cells! So you must recognize the difference between living human cells and a human being?
The biological question of "when is a new member of the species created" is very answerable.
Fair enough, but since you are keen on research, you should (and I mean this sincerely) look into what actually happens during stem cell research. I think you would find that even by your standards, no lives are ended.
(paraphrase) We can split the atom... but we have no idea when life begins. I challenge Obama to commission studies to find out "When Does Life Begin?"
The question of "when life begins" is a question of judgment, and is no more answerable by science than the question of whether gummy bears taste good (they do not).
What is the difference between experimenting on zygotes and what the Nazi's did?
For real? Okay. Well, the Nazis tortured and murdered millions of human beings in the interest of terror and political domination. Scientists who experiment on stem cells are working with individual cells in the interest of making life better for you, me, and all other humans. Though some of them are probably just doing it for the chicks.
PS: to Sad Comment and others: no harm no foul. Probably a sign that I'm not making my point well.
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If they are not 'homo sapiens' then what are they?
At issue is not whether they are alive, nor whether they are human cells. At issue is whether they are a human being. If I prick my finger and bleed, those cells are alive. Do I fret about "killing" them? No, because they are cells. They are not self-aware. Surely you don't go to the barber and look at the hair on the floor and say, "my god, those were human cells! So you must recognize the difference between living human cells and a human being?
The biological question of "when is a new member of the species created" is very answerable.
Fair enough, but since you are keen on research, you should (and I mean this sincerely) look into what actually happens during stem cell research. I think you would find that even by your standards, no lives are ended.
(paraphrase) We can split the atom... but we have no idea when life begins. I challenge Obama to commission studies to find out "When Does Life Begin?"
The question of "when life begins" is a question of judgment, and is no more answerable by science than the question of whether gummy bears taste good (they do not).
What is the difference between experimenting on zygotes and what the Nazi's did?
For real? Okay. Well, the Nazis tortured and murdered millions of human beings in the interest of terror and political domination. Scientists who experiment on stem cells are working with individual cells in the interest of making life better for you, me, and all other humans. Though some of them are probably just doing it for the chicks.
PS: to Sad Comment and others: no harm no foul. Probably a sign that I'm not making my point well.
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No Loch Ness you are doing great, some times I just fail at reading comprehension this early in the morning. I will blame Day Light Savings Time (to make myself feel better).
Keep up the good fight.
Keep up the good fight.
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We all condemn Nazi 'research' in concentration camps. But Nazi's didn't consider their victims to be human. So I guess you think it was OK. Because it is a matter of personal opinion. And if you pass laws and stifle disenting opinion you can do pretty much what ever you want.
We all condemn Nazi 'research' in concentration camps. But Nazi's didn't consider their victims to be human. So I guess you think it was OK. Because it is a matter of personal opinion. And if you pass laws and stifle disenting opinion you can do pretty much what ever you want.
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Every single argument (including biblical) that zygotes are magical mini humans can apply to sperm cells as well. But, religious douchedudes don't care about sperm cells because that would mean they'd have to stop masturbating and fucking.
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do you really feel all that stifled, 28? go ahead, don't have an abortion, don't experiment on any stem cells (which don't need to come from zygotes, last i heard) and you shouldn't feel the least bit stifled. you see, it's your right to do whatever you want with YOUR zygotes, those zygotes which need YOU and YOUR body to become babies. that's why it's our individual right to determine what happens to them-because they can't be adopted out to a nice family when they're only a cluster of under 1000 cells. that's a scientific fact, no?
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I appreciate your comments.
This will be my last.
When does human life begin is different from when does a human being begin.
Human life is a biology question.
'Personhood' is a philosophical one.
The first (when does 'life' begin)is, I think, easy to answer.
Reaching that consensus seems a positive step to resolving the second question (when does a 'person' begin).
I appreciate your comments.
This will be my last.
When does human life begin is different from when does a human being begin.
Human life is a biology question.
'Personhood' is a philosophical one.
The first (when does 'life' begin)is, I think, easy to answer.
Reaching that consensus seems a positive step to resolving the second question (when does a 'person' begin).
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sorry
Sperm are part of the male they come from.
As they are they will never 'grow up' to be anything else.
A zygote is genetically different from either parent and is a young human.
sorry
Sperm are part of the male they come from.
As they are they will never 'grow up' to be anything else.
A zygote is genetically different from either parent and is a young human.
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@28 - Seriously? The cell clumps scientists use cannot feel pain, have not been torn from their families for no better reason than their religion, sexual orientation or being gypsies. These cells, more often than not, would NEVER be implanted and would never become even a first trimester fetus. If you want to comment and have an opinion, as another commenter said please find out what actually happens during these experiments before burping your hot air all over this comment board.
Also, nazi references mean you automatically lose the argument. Didn't you know that?
Also, nazi references mean you automatically lose the argument. Didn't you know that?
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Actually zygotes can be and are 'adopted out' to nice ladies other than their mother to give them a safe home.
Actually zygotes can be and are 'adopted out' to nice ladies other than their mother to give them a safe home.
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How do you know they don't feel pain?
So if they are unwanted and can't cry out in pain then it is OK to do whatever we want with them?
How do you know they don't feel pain?
So if they are unwanted and can't cry out in pain then it is OK to do whatever we want with them?
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To answer your question seriously, it takes a nervous system to feel pain, which stem cells don't have. It's certain that if we're talking about a loose collection of cells, they don't feel pain.
To answer your question seriously, it takes a nervous system to feel pain, which stem cells don't have. It's certain that if we're talking about a loose collection of cells, they don't feel pain.
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Why are Conservatives so concerned about teh zygote, insisting it be given the same rights as a human being, but they don't give one shit about the human being after its born?
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Mike @15, the M's wish they were the Yankees, or the Rays for that matter. The only problem is that with the terrible front office they've had (Bavasi, etc), they spent lots of money on terrible free agent signings and have squandered -- we now see -- the 'vaunted' minor league talent they'd been soothing us with apparently having. The mismanagement was so apparent after last year's disaster that "putting butts in the seats" for a poorly executed ball club was clearly going to not fucking cut it in 2009. Even with the economy excluded, season tix renewals were on the floor. Seattle baseball fans like to come out to the ball park, and the gd ownership should be kissing every ass that's managed to stick by their terrible work of recent years.
Thank god that, in place of kissing fan ass like they should be doing, the front office realized that they'd lose their shorts in 2009 if they didn't make some big changes. I think Zduriencik and Wakamatsu are going to be solid and have a low bs tolerance, and I think the players we have this year are going to play with sustained effort and as a unit -- even if they lose the same number of games. Five bucks says they don't, though. Then you go and pull Griffey out of your lucky hat, late. Nostalgia for cheap. Maybe M's fans that are 40+ years old get their ass kissed first. Fuckin-a.
Thank god that, in place of kissing fan ass like they should be doing, the front office realized that they'd lose their shorts in 2009 if they didn't make some big changes. I think Zduriencik and Wakamatsu are going to be solid and have a low bs tolerance, and I think the players we have this year are going to play with sustained effort and as a unit -- even if they lose the same number of games. Five bucks says they don't, though. Then you go and pull Griffey out of your lucky hat, late. Nostalgia for cheap. Maybe M's fans that are 40+ years old get their ass kissed first. Fuckin-a.
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@32, Zygotes will never 'grow up' to be anything else either, unless they become physically part of a woman and combine under the proper circumstances - same as a sperm cell. The argument that 'zygotes become human beings' also applies to sperm cells. About half of all zygotes 'conceived naturally' don't attach properly to the women's body and are expelled in the bathroom - are we flushing over half of all human beings down the toilet?
If you take a naturally conceived zygote in a healthy woman:
* 50% don't implant, are flushed down the toilet
* 25% implant but are miscarried by the 6th week (usually without the woman even knowing)
If a woman is breastfeeding for the first 1-2 years after a pregnancy, the rate of conceived zygotes becoming actual pregnancies is almost 0% because the uterine wall is hostile to implantation.
The vast majority of zygotes never 'grow up' to be anything else, just like sperm cells or egg cells.
If you take a naturally conceived zygote in a healthy woman:
* 50% don't implant, are flushed down the toilet
* 25% implant but are miscarried by the 6th week (usually without the woman even knowing)
If a woman is breastfeeding for the first 1-2 years after a pregnancy, the rate of conceived zygotes becoming actual pregnancies is almost 0% because the uterine wall is hostile to implantation.
The vast majority of zygotes never 'grow up' to be anything else, just like sperm cells or egg cells.
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I'll let y'all get back to arguing about whether zygotes feel pain or not (seriously, people) in a minute, but I just thought I'd mention that when the M's say "we're losing money" they are almost certainly lying out their ass. The M's don't have open books; the numbers they show the newspapers are MADE UP.
As the great accountant once said, "I can make you show a $20 million dollar profit or a $20 million dollar loss, all within Generally Accepted Accounting Rules. Which do you want?"
Keep in mind they pay virtually no rent on their place of business.
And if you read the article, you will see that before the magic "special calculation", they actually turned a profit of $1.9 million.
Liars, liars all.
I'm sure they probably are thinking about selling the team, since they've owned it for more than five years, which is the time period they are allowed to depreciate player salaries -- one of the more bizarre features of their unique deal with the US Supreme Court. They're the only business in the country that gets to do that.
As the great accountant once said, "I can make you show a $20 million dollar profit or a $20 million dollar loss, all within Generally Accepted Accounting Rules. Which do you want?"
Keep in mind they pay virtually no rent on their place of business.
And if you read the article, you will see that before the magic "special calculation", they actually turned a profit of $1.9 million.
Liars, liars all.
I'm sure they probably are thinking about selling the team, since they've owned it for more than five years, which is the time period they are allowed to depreciate player salaries -- one of the more bizarre features of their unique deal with the US Supreme Court. They're the only business in the country that gets to do that.
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As I type this scientists on my floor are applying for some of the grant supplements from the Obama science funding.
Literally.
America is back.
And Science is too!
Literally.
America is back.
And Science is too!
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mel, don't be a total moron.
A zygote is the union of a sperm and an egg. It lives in the mothers body but does not 'combine'. Sperm cells don't become human beings; they fertilize eggs and become (drumroll.......) ZYGOTES !!! (aka little people)
Yes, some zygotes don't implant.
Some detach.
Some die at childbirth.
Some die from childhood diseases.
Some die in auto accidents.
Some go off to war.
Some smoke and die of lung cancer.
Some die of old age surrounded by their family.
Your point?
A zygote is the union of a sperm and an egg. It lives in the mothers body but does not 'combine'. Sperm cells don't become human beings; they fertilize eggs and become (drumroll.......) ZYGOTES !!! (aka little people)
Yes, some zygotes don't implant.
Some detach.
Some die at childbirth.
Some die from childhood diseases.
Some die in auto accidents.
Some go off to war.
Some smoke and die of lung cancer.
Some die of old age surrounded by their family.
Your point?
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Oh boy, another tit from the welfare state, root in there boys and suck up your share of the borrowed money.
Oh boy, another tit from the welfare state, root in there boys and suck up your share of the borrowed money.
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Wow. This whole comment thread makes me want to go back in time and STOP Jesus from dying for us. We really don't deserve it, as shown by some of the people here. (and those people are the weirdo "zygotes are people cause they're made from homo cells!")
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@ 2, 13, 20, 23, 25, 28, 31, 32, 34, 35, 43, 44, 45, and 46,
First, I realize that you are tragically stupid, but please stop assuming that we are as stupid as you. We all know perfectly well that you're the same person trying to make it look like a quarter of the commenters here are very concerned about teh baybeez.
Second, reason has won the day. You and your mouthbreathers have lost. Get over it, and slither back into that hole from whence you came.
First, I realize that you are tragically stupid, but please stop assuming that we are as stupid as you. We all know perfectly well that you're the same person trying to make it look like a quarter of the commenters here are very concerned about teh baybeez.
Second, reason has won the day. You and your mouthbreathers have lost. Get over it, and slither back into that hole from whence you came.
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@43: All right then, fuck it. Let's end stem cell research and put all those frozen embryos in the incinerator like we used to.
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Thanks for your concern.
You missed a couple.
You ere in assuming that I assume you are stupid.
I assume everyone knows it is me.
And your stupidity requires no assumptions.
Thanks for your concern.
You missed a couple.
You ere in assuming that I assume you are stupid.
I assume everyone knows it is me.
And your stupidity requires no assumptions.
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@49
Yeah, basically this little shit is a troll that is just saying the same thing over and over again, without making a concrete argument. Because it is not about the argument it is all about attention.
It is basically a sad attempt to get attention by someone who leads a very sad and very lonely little life. No one gives him any attention out in the world, so, he comes here to act up like a desperate little child hoping to be noticed.
Yeah, basically this little shit is a troll that is just saying the same thing over and over again, without making a concrete argument. Because it is not about the argument it is all about attention.
It is basically a sad attempt to get attention by someone who leads a very sad and very lonely little life. No one gives him any attention out in the world, so, he comes here to act up like a desperate little child hoping to be noticed.
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@35 - Well, 36 answered quite well for me. 36's answer should satisfy you if you're capable of passing grade 11 biology. If not, you're too stupid to have an opinion about anything but American Idol. Even that's questionable.
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My fave Biker Mice from Mars cartoon is the one where they basically do a roller coaster race to save the girl.
Good times.
oh, and everything our labs do is impacted by the stem cell decision. Everything.
This decision brought down our costs of research dramatically, and shortened the research time to get results, since we can now do the same research in America we used to have to part out and find external funding for to get done in Canada and the EU - which is where it was happening.
Now we can do it locally.
Like I said, America is back.
Good times.
oh, and everything our labs do is impacted by the stem cell decision. Everything.
This decision brought down our costs of research dramatically, and shortened the research time to get results, since we can now do the same research in America we used to have to part out and find external funding for to get done in Canada and the EU - which is where it was happening.
Now we can do it locally.
Like I said, America is back.
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p.s. and by the way: People really did used to think that semen held tiny people and we ladies were just there to give them a nice place to grow. (Hence the admonishment not to spill your seed on the ground, boys.) Of course, they had to reconsider this belief once they did some research (by those evil scientists!) and realized that there were meeelions of sperms and it didn't really make sense that God would let all those tiny people die.
What's that you say? Science changed a religious belief so fundamentally that religious people nowadays would find you crazy for suggesting that a sperm is a person? Imagine.
What's that you say? Science changed a religious belief so fundamentally that religious people nowadays would find you crazy for suggesting that a sperm is a person? Imagine.
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But religion is weak and puny compared to Liberal PC Orthodoxy. Can science change PC dogma about when life begins?
But religion is weak and puny compared to Liberal PC Orthodoxy. Can science change PC dogma about when life begins?
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@59, 50% of them over five years. Consider that player salaries are their main cost -- around a hundred mil for the M's. Would you like to write $50 mil off YOUR taxes?
Baseball has a Special Exemption to the antitrust laws that lets them get away with stuff like this.
Baseball has a Special Exemption to the antitrust laws that lets them get away with stuff like this.
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@57,58 - they also used to think that women only had half a soul, whereas men had a full one ... freaky ideas.
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