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News & ArtsMonday, March 9, 2009
News "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity."
Posted by Dan Savage on Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:15 AM
And in porn-crazed Utah they apparently grow absolutely irresistible 13-year-old boys.
Two Bountiful Junior High School teachers are accused of sexually assaulting the same 13-year-old student, after their separate relationships with him spiraled from personal conversations to the exchange of sexual text messages and phone sex, authorities said.
On Friday, the Davis County Attorney's Office filed first-degree felony charges of rape and sodomy on a child against Linda R. Nef, 46, and Valynne Bowers, 39. Nef, a Utah studies teacher and cheerleading adviser, and Bowers, who teaches math, each confessed to having sex with the student, said Bountiful Police Lt. Randy Pickett. Until recently, the two teachers did not know about each other's relationship with the same boy.
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Well, neither one of them is exactly a catch, but when you're 13 and tapping TWO of your teachers? Li'l dude is a PIMP.
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Yeah, right! They "raped" him. Both teachers, individually, "raped" this kid. I'm more inclined to side with #1 here. That kid's a pimp and has the best setup ever. He gets laid by 2 older women (admittedly fugly ones), gets to show it off nationally, and they're the ones who get in trouble for it.
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What Porn craze?
I linked the study the post cites,
it says there is no difference:
Americans may paint themselves in increasingly bright shades of red and blue, but new research finds one thing that varies little across the nation: the liking for online pornography.
A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.
"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.
Also, the study only looks at customers of one porn provider and only measures penetration (haha) among broadband users; in other words a tiny non-representative sample.
Even Golob could have told you that the study is CRAP.
I linked the study the post cites,
it says there is no difference:
Americans may paint themselves in increasingly bright shades of red and blue, but new research finds one thing that varies little across the nation: the liking for online pornography.
A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.
"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.
Also, the study only looks at customers of one porn provider and only measures penetration (haha) among broadband users; in other words a tiny non-representative sample.
Even Golob could have told you that the study is CRAP.
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The kid has a community wide rep. for growing up early - little man is right on.... but little is only his age ..... donkey dick as they say in rural places.
And, he does not wear out so to speak.
Still jail bait.
And, he does not wear out so to speak.
Still jail bait.
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Doesn't matter if the kid's a pimp. The law is the law, and these teachers know better. You don't have sex with underage students. Period. There ain't no gray area. There ain't no exception clauses.
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the kid is a total pimp! When your 13 you really don't care what the women look like as long as they put out. this kid has my total respect!
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@1: Got it right. These days boys mature sexually much faster. That boy had to be hounding those two hags since he was twelve. Little dude is going to be a heartbreaker when he grows up. LOL
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I'm withholding my "pimp" comment due to the sodomy part of this. Did they throw that in for fun, or was there some Purple Penetrator action?
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4, There is more to the story read the last paragraph. Did you purposely edit that out?:
"A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.
"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.
However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds."
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Busines…
"A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.
"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.
However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds."
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Busines…
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I would have been happy as a clam if two of my teachers had been fucking me when I was 13. This kid deserves a medal.
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interesting.... one of the teachers turned her and the other teacher in to the police.... jealousy? bizarre love triange?
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much respect for this kid. two teachers. i respect this kid as much as i respect snoop dogg. thats saying a lot. one word can describe it. PIMP
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no comment on the women, or their relationship with the little man, but, seriously, wtf is "Utah Studies"?
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I reproduced the first three paragraphs of the story in whole. You omitted the lead paragraph-Did you purposefully edit that out?
If the researchers thought there was a difference they did a good job of hiding it.
Did you link to the study, and read the concluding summary paragraph?:
On the whole, these adult entertainment subscription patterns show a remarkable
consistency. With interest in online adult entertainment relatively constant across regions,
there’s little sign of a major divide.
As for "porn-crazed Utah"-
the study says there are 1.69 subscribers per 1,000 Utahans.
Quite a craze.
I reproduced the first three paragraphs of the story in whole. You omitted the lead paragraph-Did you purposefully edit that out?
If the researchers thought there was a difference they did a good job of hiding it.
Did you link to the study, and read the concluding summary paragraph?:
On the whole, these adult entertainment subscription patterns show a remarkable
consistency. With interest in online adult entertainment relatively constant across regions,
there’s little sign of a major divide.
As for "porn-crazed Utah"-
the study says there are 1.69 subscribers per 1,000 Utahans.
Quite a craze.
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The double-standard among many commenters between statuatory rape of an underage boy and statuatory rape of a girl is disgusting.
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The jury just came back.
If the women sodomized the boy its rape.
If the boy sodomized the women
Well
He's a pimp
Sorry – that's the final verdict
If the women sodomized the boy its rape.
If the boy sodomized the women
Well
He's a pimp
Sorry – that's the final verdict
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Um, 16, from the same article:
"The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users"
Also, yes I did purposely leave out the preceding paragraph, but it didn't change the context of what I quoted. You conveniently left out the data that didn't support your claim.
"The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users"
Also, yes I did purposely leave out the preceding paragraph, but it didn't change the context of what I quoted. You conveniently left out the data that didn't support your claim.
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When I read these stories of women who have sex with 13 year old boys I have to wonder if these women ever SMELLEd a 13 year old boy? Do they have something wrong with their olfactory sensations?
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Did you see how many broadband subscribers there were per capita?
It wasn't "my claim"; I quoted the researchers own conclusions.
You should take your complaints up with them.
Did you see how many broadband subscribers there were per capita?
It wasn't "my claim"; I quoted the researchers own conclusions.
You should take your complaints up with them.
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@18,
Indeed. And it figures that the delusional, homophobic nitwit Loveschild would think the rape of a boy is fucking hilarious.
Indeed. And it figures that the delusional, homophobic nitwit Loveschild would think the rape of a boy is fucking hilarious.
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Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with those women if they'd have sex with a 13 year old boy. That is disgusting. I don't care how old he looks. (What, does he look 17? Doesn't change his actual age, and that isn't much better. 17 year old boys were attractive to me when I was 17.) They should have known better, and I don't feel sorry for them.
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As always it's about how pretty or ugly the women are to men.
They raped a 13 year old people. Let's look forward to the punishment. Maybe it'll be as fair as Mary Kay Letorneau who got 6 months for the first pregnancy with a 12 year old, and then 7 years for the second pregnancy with the same kid (turned 13 at that point). This as opposed to the guy who got 32 years for having sex with two 16 year old girls. (also rape)
They raped a 13 year old people. Let's look forward to the punishment. Maybe it'll be as fair as Mary Kay Letorneau who got 6 months for the first pregnancy with a 12 year old, and then 7 years for the second pregnancy with the same kid (turned 13 at that point). This as opposed to the guy who got 32 years for having sex with two 16 year old girls. (also rape)
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Isn't Bounty where one of the big Mormon polygamist sects are? I think this boy was just trying to wrangle himself a couple of wives.
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Ugh. Not only do you have two teachers in the same school raping boys, but it turns out they're raping the same boy? UGH.
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... for the uninformed .... he eats pussy very well .... and hubby doesn't ....
...so the World Turns ...
...so the World Turns ...
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sodomy laws in backwards states like utah usually include like hjs and bjs and everything that's not hetero piv penetrative sex, so who knows what exactly that's reffering to.
and it doesn't make a 13 year old a hero or a "pimp" (ugh) to be so screwed up as to go around nailing his teachers to feel better about himself, it makes him a sad case who has no idea how he can express his masculinity in any other way, and culture at large has failed him in not giving him any sort of role models for responsibile male sexuality. the responses of "he's a PIMP!" go to show that there's nearly nowhere for a boy to figure out how to be a real (emotionally mature, respectful, sexually functional) man.
i would hate to be the messed up chick to date this kid when he's an adult - he will be so maladjusted and have no idea how to interact with people outside of a gnarly competitive sexual power struggle. the thing about being a "pimp" is that you will never have sexual fulfillment, only bad sex with women you think are shit for being stupid enough to have sex with you. how cool.
and it doesn't make a 13 year old a hero or a "pimp" (ugh) to be so screwed up as to go around nailing his teachers to feel better about himself, it makes him a sad case who has no idea how he can express his masculinity in any other way, and culture at large has failed him in not giving him any sort of role models for responsibile male sexuality. the responses of "he's a PIMP!" go to show that there's nearly nowhere for a boy to figure out how to be a real (emotionally mature, respectful, sexually functional) man.
i would hate to be the messed up chick to date this kid when he's an adult - he will be so maladjusted and have no idea how to interact with people outside of a gnarly competitive sexual power struggle. the thing about being a "pimp" is that you will never have sexual fulfillment, only bad sex with women you think are shit for being stupid enough to have sex with you. how cool.
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That's just plain gross. 13-year-old boys don't even WASH regularly except under extreme duress. Jesus, ladies, buy a Rabbit or something!
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I'm not convinced this one is for real. Statistically speaking, it's awfully unusual.
First of all, adult women having sex with (barely) adolescent boys is way less common than adult men doing it.
And the chances of the same boy being victimized by two different adult women? Lightening can strike the same person twice, but it's awfully unusual.
First of all, adult women having sex with (barely) adolescent boys is way less common than adult men doing it.
And the chances of the same boy being victimized by two different adult women? Lightening can strike the same person twice, but it's awfully unusual.
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Ew!
Ew!
Ew!
(Couldn't think of anything else to say.)
And, the fact that they're women makes no difference.
Although, the fact that the one on the left is so ugly makes the whole more icky than if she were a MILF, like, um, Catherine Zeta-Jones.
Not like the one on the right is a MILF, either.
They're both total non-MILFs, actually.
I'm gonna be sick.
If the one on the left looked like Catherine Zeta-Jones, and the one on the right looked like, um, Ashley Judd, I'd still call for their heads, but I'd also be filled with kind of a pleasing sense, instead of wanting to puke.
glossypov.blogspot.com
Ew!
Ew!
(Couldn't think of anything else to say.)
And, the fact that they're women makes no difference.
Although, the fact that the one on the left is so ugly makes the whole more icky than if she were a MILF, like, um, Catherine Zeta-Jones.
Not like the one on the right is a MILF, either.
They're both total non-MILFs, actually.
I'm gonna be sick.
If the one on the left looked like Catherine Zeta-Jones, and the one on the right looked like, um, Ashley Judd, I'd still call for their heads, but I'd also be filled with kind of a pleasing sense, instead of wanting to puke.
glossypov.blogspot.com
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You stupid shits. He's 13. It's rape. Sexual assault of boys by adult women is a crime, just like that of girls by adult men. Jesus H. Q. Fucking Christ on a goddamn BICYCLE is that really so hard to understand????
This is how patriarchy hurts males. Victims are told they should be grateful for their experiences because hetero sex is always seen as an act of male dominance, even in the most twisted fucking situations of clear abuse of CHILDREN. Get your heads out of your asses.
This is how patriarchy hurts males. Victims are told they should be grateful for their experiences because hetero sex is always seen as an act of male dominance, even in the most twisted fucking situations of clear abuse of CHILDREN. Get your heads out of your asses.
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and it doesn't make a 13 year old a hero or a "pimp" (ugh) to be so screwed up as to go around nailing his teachers to feel better about himself, it makes him a sad case who has no idea how he can express his masculinity in any other way, and culture at large has failed him in not giving him any sort of role models for responsibile male sexuality.
Let's change some words around in your post, shall we?
and it doesn't make a 13 year old girl a bombshell or a "hottie" (ugh) to be so screwed up as to go around getting nailed by her teachers to feel better about herself, it makes her a sad case who has no idea how she can express her adulthood in any other way, and culture at large has failed her in not giving her any sort of role models for responsibile female sexuality.
Hmm...
Let's change some words around in your post, shall we?
and it doesn't make a 13 year old girl a bombshell or a "hottie" (ugh) to be so screwed up as to go around getting nailed by her teachers to feel better about herself, it makes her a sad case who has no idea how she can express her adulthood in any other way, and culture at large has failed her in not giving her any sort of role models for responsibile female sexuality.
Hmm...
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@36
Rare events often do occur in bunches. For instance when a person tends to engage in a particular behavior or tends to frequent a certain place then the same rare event can happen to them repeatedly. If you get hit by lightning your chances of getting hit again go way up. So some things are purely random and others are not.
This kid is troubled, no? He has probably gone looking for adult women more than once. I don't find that hard to believe.
Rare events often do occur in bunches. For instance when a person tends to engage in a particular behavior or tends to frequent a certain place then the same rare event can happen to them repeatedly. If you get hit by lightning your chances of getting hit again go way up. So some things are purely random and others are not.
This kid is troubled, no? He has probably gone looking for adult women more than once. I don't find that hard to believe.
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Frankly speaking, I can't even get over it... A friend of mine goes to that school, and she says those teachers are pretty sweet ladies... I think people commenting don't seem to realize that these are REAL PEOPLE we're talking about here.
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