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Friday, March 6, 2009

Report from San Francisco

Posted by on Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:47 PM

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Amy Balliett, the Seattle resident who launched nationwide protests against Prop 8 last November, was in San Francisco yesterday while the California Supreme Court heard oral arguments to repeal the initiative. After she spoke before the crowd outside city hall, supporters and oppenents of the measure competed for a view of the Jumbotron. Here's her take:

The Yes on 8 people showed up with huge signs (about 8 feet by 4 feet) that had a checked voting box on them next to the words "Traditional Marriage." They had at least 10 of these signs and tried to form a barricade around us. My initial thought was "Wow these signs are pretty damn ambiguous." … My next thought was "We need more signs." So I went to the Walgreens around the corner and bought a ton of poster board and sharpies. I got back to find that the crowd had doubled and the number of pro-gay marriage signs had at least tripled. Our side brought huge 8 x4 signs as well, the difference was that they were creative and unique. Leave it to the gays to make art out of a protest sign. …

Every once in awhile there would be an altercation in the crowd, which mainly started because of signs blocking people's views. The Yes on 8 people would work their way into the crowd and then raise a gigantic sign blocking everyone's view. Then a bunch of No on 8 people would raise up their signs to block the Yes on 8 signs. Everyone trying to watch the Jumbotron would then get pissed and one of us would have to go keep the peace and get everyone to put down their signs.

People also broke up into little groups where Yes and No people would talk and debate. I joined in a few of these and had some amazing conversations with Yes people who believed some really crazy stereotypes. One girl told me that she was there to save her neices and nephews from learning to be gay in elementary school. I asked her if she had any examples of that happening, and she quoted a documentary that was filled with propaganda. When I explained to her that I felt that way about the documentary, she said "But it's a documentary, it has to be true." So I told her who Michael Moore was and explained the subject matter of his documentaries, and she was shocked. She said that it sounds like a bunch of propaganda. I explained that in her reasoning, "it's a documentary, so it has to be true."

Early news reports on the hearing indicate the court may uphold the measure, thereby maintaining a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. Damn.

Photo by Wen and Tara on Flickr.

 

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1
This isn't just about marriage.

With enough money, you could put up an initiative for a vote to ban apple pie and it would pass.

If all of our fundamental rights can be repealed at the ballot box by our nation's dumbest citizens, then our so-called "rights" are meaningless.
Posted by Original Andrew on March 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM
2
let's be fags and buttfuck - gay buttfucking is the most important thing in the universe
Posted by Buttfucking Fag Supremacist on March 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM
3
And I hope that signatures are gathered asap to place an initiative on a future ballot that would end divorce and thus force Xtian zealots to live up the moral standard of "traditional marriage."

Traditional marriage for all of us or none of us. Ballot box morality should be more entertaining.
Posted by patrick on March 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM
4
The comments about the protesters talking about the truthfulness of documentaries only got me thinking this:

Head. Bang. Wall.
Head. Bang. Wall.
Head. Bang. Wall.
Head. Bang. Wall.
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Posted by Urgutha Forka on March 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM
5
perhaps I can be of assistance:

Marrying someone of your own gender is not a 'civil right'.

No one is, or can be, promised by the government that they can marry the person they 'love'.

Once you wrap your brain around these facts it will be easier for you to function.
Posted by you're welcome on March 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
6
More evidence that some people are too dumb to live.
Posted by Greg on March 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM
7
@6: You're talking about #5 up there, right? Because, damn.
Posted by Gloria on March 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM
8
Divorcing someone of a different gender is against xtian beliefs but it's ok because it is acceptable for hetero supremacists that don't have to live up to any moral standard...they just get to impose them.
Posted by patrick on March 6, 2009 at 1:23 PM
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How many of the Christian in the "Yes" crowd have filed for no-fault divorce? Well, given the statistics on divorce, I'm sure there's plenty of them, and as others have pointed out, that's against the Bible. But no, a few thousand gay couples are a much bigger threat to proper Christian marriage...yeah right.
Posted by Hernandez on March 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
10
Sometimes these Slog comments/these Prop 8 supporters' comments/my parent's comments/etc. get so ridiculous and absurd that I don't even feel like we're talking about the same issue. The gays and the allies think we're talking about basic human dignity and rights. The fundies and the haters think we're talking about "buttfucking fag supremacy," to quote @2.

How do we get anywhere when we're not even having the same conversation?
Posted by i miss harvey on March 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
11
"Leave it to the gays to make art out of a protest sign."

Uh, what about all the folks in the 1960's and 1970's - with all of their mod art and psychedelic imagery on signs to end the Vietnam War, and to protest many of the injustices that corrupted our country at that time?

It's one thing to be creative in your protest, it's quite another to lay claim to originating creativity.

Pomposity blurs the message and weakens the cause. Please, please, please continue to make your voices heard - don't act as if you invented the megaphone.
Posted by Reverend Z on March 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM
12
ignorance is america's surplus product
Posted by Jesus Fucking Christ on March 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
13
Wouldn't it be interesting if it doesn't get appealed by the California Supreme Court and went to the National Supreme Court?....
Posted by James on March 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
14
If you want revenge against the religious fascists support everything they oppose and oppose everything they support.
Posted by vince on March 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM
15
@ 13,

This is a state constitutional issue to be decided by a state supreme court. So, no.
Posted by Original Andrew on March 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
16
Want "traditional" marriage, the "foundation" of our society? Okay, fine. Back to chattel and dowries and the end of no-fault divorce. After all tradition is tradition.
Posted by Andy Niable on March 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM

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