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Thursday, March 5, 2009

Council Member Harrell Wants to Poll Citizens

Posted by on Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:37 PM

As part of his proposed "Citizen Engagement Portal"—a system intended give citizens more opportunities to communicate directly with city officials—City Council Member Bruce Harrell wants to poll citizens on major issues before the council, with the goal of determining whether the council is "in line" with what Seattle residents want.

The idea, Harrell says, came out of 2007's advisory vote on the Alaskan Way Viaduct, which cost the city $1 million and revealed only that citizens "preferred" neither the tunnel nor a larger new viaduct. "If the polling was available at that time, would that have been a better option?" Harrell asks. He says the polls would be confined to major, similarly hot-button issues—like the disposable-bag fee, KeyArena, and the city's budget priorities in tough economic times.

What would the council do with those poll results? According to Harrell, his goal would be "to make sure the priorities of the city council and the mayor are aligned with the priorities of the people." But what if they did a poll that said, for example, that the disposable-bag fee—which the council passed 6-1, with Jan Drago voting no and Nick Licata and Richard McIver absent—was unpopular? "Then you should know that," Harrell says, "and if you want to push that initiative, it’s incumbent on you to evangelize, to market, to sell it to the people."

That, of course, is a slippery slope. Representative democracy means that we elect representatives to serve our interests as a whole; if they fail to do so, we vote them out. Too often, direct democracy—AKA mob rule—leads to unintended consequences, or consequences that limit the rights of minorities: Tim Eyman's property tax caps, for example, or Proposition 8 (the gay-marriage ban) in California. Harrell says he personally believes "the elected body should show leadership on issues" even when their opinion differs from what the polling says. But will he be saying that when an opponent in a future election accuses him of ignoring or defying public opinion?

There are logistical problems, too. The overall idea—and it's a good one—is to allow people access to all city services (trash bills, land-use permits, electrical meter readings, etc.) with a single login to the city's web site, rather than having separate logins for every service (the current system). From a polling perspective, the thinking is that single-login access for every citizen would ensure that a single interest group didn't skew the feedback results, as mass email campaigns to council members do now. But that's asking a lot of a city computer system. One post on a big web site like Slog, for example, asking readers to vote a certain way could skew results almost instantaneously—making council members believe, for example, that skate parks should be the city's highest budget priority. I'm not against polling people to get their opinion—that's essentially what public comment does—but using those results as some kind of barometer to determine public policy seems like a potentially dangerous path for city council members to head down.

 

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Why doesn't the council just hire a polling firm, like Gallup, to track Seattle residents' stances on certain issues and then publish those polls online? That would be cheaper and easier--and Gallup and similar organizations are already set up handle it all.

That said, I wish the council would grow some, even small ones. We have the wimpiest politicians in the world on this council. They don't need to do any polling at all if they have strong, well-informed convictions they can communicate to the voters.
Posted by Simac on March 5, 2009 at 1:31 PM
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what an idiot - and his idiotic idea

I had hoped for a leader - what we got is mush
Posted by Kyle on March 5, 2009 at 1:39 PM
3
What's needed in Seattle is a Bear Patrol. Yes. Too many dangerous bears.

WE'RE HERE! WE'RE QUEER! WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE BEARS!
Posted by Urgutha Forka on March 5, 2009 at 1:41 PM
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Why bother?

We keep voting against things - Stadiums we don't want, Billionaires' Tunnels we don't want - and they just keep forcing us to pay for them anyway.

Want a poll? THEN LISTEN TO US!
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM
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The Council did a poll on the bag tax, and ignored the results when they showed rather conclusively that Seattle residents didn't support it.

Posted by Mr. X on March 5, 2009 at 1:44 PM
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We Bisexual Transgendered Bears Demand Equal Rights - if the new BearPatrol is not composed of a mix of Brown, Black, and Red Bears of different gender preference and expressed status, we will refuse to lick your honey!
Posted by Bisexual Transgendered Bear Balance Beam on March 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM
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honestly, in a Representative democracy it's not the job of Seattle to poll Seattle-ites; it is the job of the people on the Council to poll their constituents and bring their views and issues to the table.
Posted by Womyn2me on March 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM
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This sounds like a waste of time and money. If you're not doing what I voted you into the council to do, then I'll vote for someone different next time. Do what you think is right, and we'll let you know if we agree or not. This silly insecurity is why nothing ever gets done in this city.
Posted by another Andy on March 5, 2009 at 2:00 PM
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Um... they do poll citizens. Its called an election. You know, when we elect leaders. (Ha-Ha... Not!)
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on March 5, 2009 at 2:00 PM
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WARNING - TO THE WIMPY STUPID COUNCIL - You wrote a poor law when it comes to the bag tax. Real piece of cobbled shit, and acted like you were in a hurry and not a decent brain in sight.

HEAR THE TRUTH - Even thought we recycle every speck of anything that can be recycled, live BRIGHT GREEN to the core - tens of thousands of us will vote the crappy law down at an election we had to help assemble. And hold our nose that the partner is the bag industry.

Wonder if it will convince you to do better work? Take a poll ..... shit
Posted by Kyle on March 5, 2009 at 2:06 PM
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Is someone under the delusion that laws, unlike initiatives, are free from unintended consequences? Or that laws have not been used to deprive minority groups of rights?
Posted by Fritz on March 5, 2009 at 2:07 PM
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Is anyone running against Harrell? Can someone run against Harrell?
Posted by Harrell = dim bulb on March 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM
13
Online polling? I like this idea so much, I'm gonna vote for it 562 times!
Posted by NapoleonXIV on March 5, 2009 at 2:34 PM
14
The average Seattlite has the political maturity of a 4th grader.

Letting the inmates run the asylum is not a good idea.
Posted by Blandishments on March 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM
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Kyle is right @10.

The bag tax is going to go down big.

And all of us who buy Green Power and Green Up and recycle or reuse 90 percent of our trash are going to be helping get rid of the bag tax.

Get used to it.
Posted by Will in Seattle on March 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM
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Poll, or pole?

Posted by Bevis on March 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM
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they have been running a poll for at least the last twenty years - one year a residential poll the next a business poll - of course they don't make it well known.
Posted by McG on March 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM
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I still don't understand why all the conservative douchebags against the bag tax live in Seattle. Go move to Dallas or at least Everett, not the city that's the greenest in the fucking western hemisphere. No, following the law and recycling your frozen pizza box doesn't make you any less of a regressive selfish ass.
Posted by I'd be nicer with comment registration on March 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM
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Give Harrel credit for searching for ways to get citizens more involved and informed. His efforts are essentially the local version of the administration's use of web vehicles like whitehouse.gov and recovery.gov.

Also, I find it a bit humerous that on a website people are criticizing the attempts by the government to bring this medium into common usage. Think how many issues regarding the community, government, and social concerns are discussed on the Slog. Why shouldn' the same type of involvement, vetting and interaction by done with the government?
Posted by JF on March 5, 2009 at 8:21 PM
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@18,

According to a 7/9/08 column, Danny Westneat wrote "in a poll the city did last winter. By 67 to 32 percent, people said "no fees on bags." By 87 to 11 percent, you said "try having stores do this voluntarily."

67% of Seattleites aren't "conservative douchebags" - unless you think a supermajority of us are Republicans. You might want to rethink your criteria on that.

I'm not a huge fan of government funded polling, but upon reflection I think that post @19 is on to something. Two caveats. First, times are tough, so polling should be done sparingly.

Second, and more importantly, don't waste money asking for our opinion if you are going to disregard it anyway.

I suspect the whole proposal falls down on the latter point, considering the history of this Mayor and Council.

Posted by Mr. X on March 5, 2009 at 10:14 PM

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