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Religion Recruiting for Jesus Camp
Posted by Dominic Holden on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM
A church in Marysville has crossed the line from volunteering at local public schools to recruiting kids into a “cult,” says the mother of one of the students. The Turning Point Church sends roughly a dozen adult “youth leaders” to six schools in northwestern Washington, where they hang out during lunch hours, chat with students, and join in sports games.
“We can be someone in their life to say everything is going to be okay and God is still good,” says Emily Masten, one of the youth staff leaders and a receptionist for the church.
But problems arose earlier this week when a church delegate attempted to lure a Totem Middle School student into an evening church meeting with promises of rides, games, and espresso. The church maintains a youth group called 180, and another group called 628 (for kids from sixth to eighth grades).
Rianne Olver was alarmed when she saw a MySpace message sent from a female youth leader to her 11-year-old daughter, inviting her to the church meeting:
Hey, 628 tonight!6 o clock, free espresso for visitors. Super rad games and activities.
Hang out with cool people. Plus you are really cool so it would just make it that much cooler.
Are you going to be there? If you need a ride, I can hook it up :)
“She even offered to come to my house and pick up my daughter without me knowing about it,” Olver says. “I wonder how many other kids got this message and were so excited that an older person thinks they’re cool and wants to buy them espresso.”
The nondenominational church is unusual in other ways, too. In one sermon, pastor Pastor Mike Villamor advocates that "Christians should be sex-perts." He goes on: "Ladies, here's the answer to 90 percent of your troubles: sex and sleep." Several people have posted aggressively on a web page where they allege the Turning Point Church is cultish and that Villamor says he is an apostle. But Masten dismisses the cult claims. “[The church] is just different because people are actually caring,” she says. “If people don’t understand something, there are two reactions: You make fun of it or you get scared of it.”
Masten confirms that youth leaders discuss the church and God with students on school property, but only when asked. Their purpose is “just to be there and to love them and hang out with them,” she says. However, she acknowledges that if students want to provide contact information, youth leaders contact them about the evening services.
“Most youth leaders will do bulk texting to students they have met once or twice,” says Masten. “It’s just like, ‘Hey do you want to come over and hang out at my house?’” says Masten. (Basically, adults directly soliciting social engagements from 11-year-old children.) Youth leaders may neglect to contact parents because it is “something that they are not really mindful of yet,” she says.
It’s something they will become mindful of soon.
After hearing Olver’s complaints yesterday afternoon, the Marysville School District called Turning Point Church to tell them they must cease lunchtime visits to Totem Middle School. The group will continue renting space for sermons at the school on Sundays. Gail Miller, assistant superintendent of the Marysville School District, says, “They can’t proselytize and they cannot solicit individual student’s contact information.”
Other groups, including retirees and Tulalip Tribe members, have been volunteering at the school this year to reverse what Miller describes as chronic “classroom disruptions.” Last year, Totem Middle School students walked out to protest discipline problems. The youth leaders from Turning Point Church were allowed on campus to “increase adult presence at lunch time,” Miller says.
But, she adds, “We are doing an investigation because, if [Olver] is correct in that this is what is happening, that is inappropriate. If students ask them questions, they can answer matter-of-factly, but they cannot seek them out.” Although the church has been barred from lunches at the middle school, youth workers are still allowed at Marysville Pilchuck High School.
News intern Aaron Pickus contributed research to this post.
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It is very cultish. I grew up in Mville and I lost a good friend to that church.
No, he's not dead. Just dead inside.
No, he's not dead. Just dead inside.
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I drank coffee (with lots of cream and sugar) when I was young, but it seems kind of sick to offer free espresso to 11 year old kids.
I think it is perfectly fine if a kid, or adult chooses to believe on God, but this whole recruiting thing, especially in schools should be illegal. Another reaso I hate fucking Republicans because this is their kind of shit.
I think it is perfectly fine if a kid, or adult chooses to believe on God, but this whole recruiting thing, especially in schools should be illegal. Another reaso I hate fucking Republicans because this is their kind of shit.
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The youth leaders are FUCKING IDIOTS if they thought that, as adults, they could directly invite middle-schoolers out to gatherings without contacting parents. Did the kids' parents know that they were volunteering at the school, or what they were telling kids? Churches from my town used to send youth leaders/pastors to my high school. I didn't think it was appropriate then, and I don't think it's appropriate now.
Also, how are all my questions/problems answered with sex and sleep? Is that how I'm going to pass my classes and pay rent?
Also, how are all my questions/problems answered with sex and sleep? Is that how I'm going to pass my classes and pay rent?
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Why are churches allowed to do anything on public school campuses on during school hours? For that matter, why is it that church youth leaders messaging 11 year old children is viewed as so innocuous?
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i am familiar with these types of programs, so i'm surprised this comes as a shock to anyone.
the youth-workers are allowed to "hang out" with the kids, but can only bring up religion if the kid asks. of course, the workers love it when the kids ask. also, other kids you are in the church will often start the asking.
getting the myspace message isn't that strange... just like a band promoting. i've sent messages that prob went to kids about a show at the vera, and i didn't ask them to check with their parents.
they should just tell them not to talk about god or church, and not to get any personal information. other than that, it might sound creepy, but it's usually not to strange -- i don't think.
of course, i'm not sure i've entirely recovered from the brainwashing attempts i received while in high school.
the youth-workers are allowed to "hang out" with the kids, but can only bring up religion if the kid asks. of course, the workers love it when the kids ask. also, other kids you are in the church will often start the asking.
getting the myspace message isn't that strange... just like a band promoting. i've sent messages that prob went to kids about a show at the vera, and i didn't ask them to check with their parents.
they should just tell them not to talk about god or church, and not to get any personal information. other than that, it might sound creepy, but it's usually not to strange -- i don't think.
of course, i'm not sure i've entirely recovered from the brainwashing attempts i received while in high school.
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This makes me sick. Looks to me like predators taking advantage of kids who are too stupid to see through the "youth leader's" bullshit so give her their contact information.
I'd like to see that loving caring youth leader who sent the mass MySpace text arrested.
I'd like to see that loving caring youth leader who sent the mass MySpace text arrested.
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“If people don’t understand something, there are two reactions: You make fun of it or you get scared of it.”
I choose option A - Make fun of it.
I choose option A - Make fun of it.
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Um, you can't be inviting 11-year-olds out at night or offering them rides places without parental consent. Even if good-intentioned, it's criminal.
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look, you all knew these kids from your high school. they were annoying but harmless. when they talk about "sex" it's about abstinence, and when they "work out" a ride it's a church van that usually requires a parental permissions slip. this happened all the time, and it was pretty run-of-mill.
if i ever have kids i don't want this to happen to them, but it's not this huge offensive act. they should punish the older kids if they broke the rules, and work out an agreement (if possible) so it doesn't happen again. it sucks that they might break the rules again, but it also might be nice that violence at lunch is down, too.
if i ever have kids i don't want this to happen to them, but it's not this huge offensive act. they should punish the older kids if they broke the rules, and work out an agreement (if possible) so it doesn't happen again. it sucks that they might break the rules again, but it also might be nice that violence at lunch is down, too.
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what a bunch of crap. you get a non-believer as Obama calls us/them up there, and you'd have a fucking riot on your hands. bullshit.
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You're right, Dan.
These adults have missed their true calling.
They should be advisors to the Gay-Strait Alliance Club.
You're right, Dan.
These adults have missed their true calling.
They should be advisors to the Gay-Strait Alliance Club.
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jeebus. this reminds me of Young Life in high school. almost all the popular kids were part of it. watered and dumbed down christianity.
hernandez, does this ring any bells for you?
hernandez, does this ring any bells for you?
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The same thing happened at my high school. There would be a couple of twenty-somethings roaming around the halls at ALL hours of the school day, giving "daps" and high-fives to any student that would let them. It made me uncomfortable because I knew what they were doing, but they tried to keep it so secret and put up a front of "Dude we should totally chill!" One girl actually called my house on 3 different occasions, pestering me about going on this weekend trip which I had repeatedly said NO to. The worst part is, I didn't even give her my number. She got it from one of my classmates. I don't understand how a principal of a public school could allow this to happen, and the lack of parents that are making noise about it..
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This is lame, but it still beats Army recruiters on campus. Unlike the Army, someone can decide a church is fucking stupid and quit.
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@17,
People can quit the military if they want. The people in charge give you shit and make it difficult and try to convince you that you can't, but they don't own you. People can quit whenever they want.
People can quit the military if they want. The people in charge give you shit and make it difficult and try to convince you that you can't, but they don't own you. People can quit whenever they want.
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The Myspace message reminds me of those grooming techniques that molesters/abusers initially use with their victims.
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accuse those you do not agree with as being pedophiles who are attempting to groom the children... what's familiar about that tactic?
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People on Slog concerned about church people!? Jesus, literally, it seems like you people have never been to a church in your life. Honestly, I'm not churchgoing and churches sort of piss me off, but I'm confused about the harm in this.
So they're trying to preach the message of Jesus. Whatevs. Of course they should have contacted parents with children that are 11.
But a cult? They're a fucking church, man. It's a fuckiing organization, of course. It's a group of people that get together and believe that Jebus is their Saviour.
But there's really no evidence here and, frankly, this is shitty reporting from The Stranger who have grabbed the concerns of one nutty parent making wild accusations and running with it.
There is real news here, to be sure. It's in what the school district has concerns with. But to let this psycho parent go on and on about it being a cult because they invited her daughter to hang out and talk about God is fucking ridiculous.
Oh noez, GOD!? NOT GOD!
Like I said, I'm not church goer, and I'm really not sure if Jesus is my saviour, but you people need to fucking lighten up.
So they're trying to preach the message of Jesus. Whatevs. Of course they should have contacted parents with children that are 11.
But a cult? They're a fucking church, man. It's a fuckiing organization, of course. It's a group of people that get together and believe that Jebus is their Saviour.
But there's really no evidence here and, frankly, this is shitty reporting from The Stranger who have grabbed the concerns of one nutty parent making wild accusations and running with it.
There is real news here, to be sure. It's in what the school district has concerns with. But to let this psycho parent go on and on about it being a cult because they invited her daughter to hang out and talk about God is fucking ridiculous.
Oh noez, GOD!? NOT GOD!
Like I said, I'm not church goer, and I'm really not sure if Jesus is my saviour, but you people need to fucking lighten up.
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@15 Oh yeah, it does. Mom was a dedicated Young Lifer back in her high school days. Even back circa 2000-2001, I remember the occasional "youth leader" presence at our lunch hours...they were basically harmless, but then again, I never took them too seriously (I'm sured some did).
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^ I smell a troll. (if you're not, i apologize)
I had a buddy move out on his best friend of 8 years because this church convinced him that the house was a "portal of hell." (they had keggers once every month or so)
I had a buddy move out on his best friend of 8 years because this church convinced him that the house was a "portal of hell." (they had keggers once every month or so)
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The funny thing about cults is, they never call them selves a cult. That's why Jim Jones called it "Peoples Temple" not "Peoples Cult". If they called themselves a cult, it would be a lot harder for them to dupe people into coming to gatherings and eventually manipulating them into joining. Therefore, you have to look at what an organization does to determine what they are.
When you have a leader that proclaims themself an apostle, twists scripture to manipulate people to give more money otherwise influence them, and coerces people to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group, and you have recruiters who will go to illegal and disturbing lengths to bring in new members, including children, I would think that falls under the "Cult" category no matter what they choose to call themselves.
When you have a leader that proclaims themself an apostle, twists scripture to manipulate people to give more money otherwise influence them, and coerces people to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group, and you have recruiters who will go to illegal and disturbing lengths to bring in new members, including children, I would think that falls under the "Cult" category no matter what they choose to call themselves.
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Watch the parody videos about this church on youtube.
Fuckin hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gOl4pHbU…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blr8O-oIp…
Fuckin hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gOl4pHbU…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blr8O-oIp…
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Jesse JB, I assume you're talking to me. I'm not trying to troll. I'm trying to be honest. No apology necessary whatsoever. I just get bothered easy by such Seattle dramatics.
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I smell a troll too (Sam). Maybe you should repeat a couple more times that youre NOT a church goer, just so we can be sure.
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@22 & 28
I love it when some idiot thinks that by writing something like "I am not a church goer" but then go into a long winded diatribe about how great it is, that people will buy into it. Sam you are not fooling anyone, now run along back to your little "cult."
I love it when some idiot thinks that by writing something like "I am not a church goer" but then go into a long winded diatribe about how great it is, that people will buy into it. Sam you are not fooling anyone, now run along back to your little "cult."
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Wow, really? You people are serious? I'm here every fucking day ... have I ever expressed some kindred spirit with douchebags who go to church? No. But I also don't run around judging them because they love Jebus.
That's the point.
What really pisses me off every day I sit here on Slog is that I find myself defending segments like gays and minorities because I believe that there is a lack of social justice for these people and yet these very same people, on Slog, go after church goers.
You're being just as biased and hateful as those people are against you, don't you get it?
I feel like it's hard to have this discussion on here because I'm the boring, straight white guy. So of course I've never been persecuted for my sexual orientation ... nor have I been judged for my religion because I simply don't have one. My Catholic wife really would love if I were to conform and go to her church but I just can't stand it. Those people piss me off.
And you people on here questioning me simply for saying "church goer" twice simply prove my point, you fucking twits.
That's the point.
What really pisses me off every day I sit here on Slog is that I find myself defending segments like gays and minorities because I believe that there is a lack of social justice for these people and yet these very same people, on Slog, go after church goers.
You're being just as biased and hateful as those people are against you, don't you get it?
I feel like it's hard to have this discussion on here because I'm the boring, straight white guy. So of course I've never been persecuted for my sexual orientation ... nor have I been judged for my religion because I simply don't have one. My Catholic wife really would love if I were to conform and go to her church but I just can't stand it. Those people piss me off.
And you people on here questioning me simply for saying "church goer" twice simply prove my point, you fucking twits.
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Ok people, I was on Young Life staff for 6 years. Here's the idea in a nut shell.
We're Christians. The idea is that I don't have a right to preach at anyone. In fact, I went on staff because I had no one in my corner in middle school except for this girl from Young Life. She just hung out and didn't make fun of me. I have to earn the right to be heard, and the only way to do that is to develop relationships with people by going to where they are. I was one of those grown ups who was hanging at the school, but I did it as a volunteer in the classroom. Helped coach the volleyball team. Chaperoned dances etc.
I never tried to have a big tent bible revival at school. It's so not about that. But if someone wanted to come hang out at a Young Life gathering I would totally help get them a ride. And of course you do stuff like, never ever ride alone with a kid in a car. Never ever with a kid of the opposite sex. And always ask to meet parents. You'd be amazed and really sad to know how few parents even bother to find out where their 11 year old is going.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
We're Christians. The idea is that I don't have a right to preach at anyone. In fact, I went on staff because I had no one in my corner in middle school except for this girl from Young Life. She just hung out and didn't make fun of me. I have to earn the right to be heard, and the only way to do that is to develop relationships with people by going to where they are. I was one of those grown ups who was hanging at the school, but I did it as a volunteer in the classroom. Helped coach the volleyball team. Chaperoned dances etc.
I never tried to have a big tent bible revival at school. It's so not about that. But if someone wanted to come hang out at a Young Life gathering I would totally help get them a ride. And of course you do stuff like, never ever ride alone with a kid in a car. Never ever with a kid of the opposite sex. And always ask to meet parents. You'd be amazed and really sad to know how few parents even bother to find out where their 11 year old is going.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
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There is reason for community concern. Fact; the church leader Mike Villamoor considers his close friend, Tony Cunningham, to be his spiritual mentor. Tony Cunningham has anointed Mike Villamoor an Apostle. Tony Cunningham is the head Pastor for Raidiant Life Church in Sacrimento. The Radient Life church is listed as a "Dangerous Church" in Cult Watch. Theistic note: Very few churches agree with an 'Apostalic' ministery. Those who do also subscribe to the "Prosperity" ministry which is based on greed. Church member are constantly being pressured for contributions called tithing. TPC in Marysville is one of those churches. Just like what was demonstrated at the school, churchmembers are also pressured and prodded into more and more activities and donations of money, labor and time. The church soon becomes their first home. This gives more control for their lives to Mike Villamoor and his team of elders. Their perceived authority is not questioned.
Here is another video about turning point church that isn't funny at all. Although some of this is questionable, much of it is right on the money. The video is made up of actual Turning Point videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kvh3YEot…
Here is another video about turning point church that isn't funny at all. Although some of this is questionable, much of it is right on the money. The video is made up of actual Turning Point videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kvh3YEot…
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Creepy.
If I had a million dollars, I would bet it all that there will be a totally yucky "Youth Pastor Watch" story posted by Mr. Savage someday about Turning Point Church.
If I had a million dollars, I would bet it all that there will be a totally yucky "Youth Pastor Watch" story posted by Mr. Savage someday about Turning Point Church.
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Oh, to the "Young Life" volunteer from post #32, thank you for sharing.
It sounds like you stuck to rules that were proper, unlike the Turning Point Church people.
Not all Christian volunteers are creepy.
It sounds like you stuck to rules that were proper, unlike the Turning Point Church people.
Not all Christian volunteers are creepy.
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I would also like to say that I agree with Sam's last post. Unfortunately, this is not the case with TPC. People have been harmed by this church. Their families have suffered because of this church. There are many churches in Marysville and I have no issue with these what so ever. TPC is a diferent kind of animal. Outwardly possitive and caring; inwardly deceitful, powerful and greedy. It's about control, property, power. It's effecting this community and churches who really do care. Warning signs are being ignored or passed off as paranoia.
More reaserch, less defense is needed for this church. I dare anyone to ask to see the churches finantial report. You won't get it, I'll guarantee it.
More reaserch, less defense is needed for this church. I dare anyone to ask to see the churches finantial report. You won't get it, I'll guarantee it.
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we had youth workers at my lunch period in high school. and even when they did follow all the rules, they were still creepy. they made a point to dress like high school kids, to blend in better. this was during the height of the spiked hair-for-boys, so the men gelled their hair, ect. and, while i have no evidence that anything improper ever happened between any of the youth volunteers and girls at school, the way they interacted was really, really creepy. all the girls just worshiped the male youth workers.
and we did have a "revival." couple of star football players and couple of cheerleaders decided they were in on the raise your hands in the air and dance to electric guitar, totally jesus camp style, and they converted the entire complement of varsity sports at a high school of 2000+ kids. they had prayer circles in the commons area every morning (50-100 kids), followed by hug orgies. the "we're preaching out loud" kind of "prayer" circles. it was oppressive. and it was creepy and cultish.
and if i found out one of those people was myspacing my 11 year old like that, i would be PISISED and i would raise *hell* with the school district.
and we did have a "revival." couple of star football players and couple of cheerleaders decided they were in on the raise your hands in the air and dance to electric guitar, totally jesus camp style, and they converted the entire complement of varsity sports at a high school of 2000+ kids. they had prayer circles in the commons area every morning (50-100 kids), followed by hug orgies. the "we're preaching out loud" kind of "prayer" circles. it was oppressive. and it was creepy and cultish.
and if i found out one of those people was myspacing my 11 year old like that, i would be PISISED and i would raise *hell* with the school district.
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This is the result of giving an inch and them taking a mile. It's like an infection. Either you want your kids learning about the real world or you want them learning superstitions and myths. Our schools should be teaching about the real world.
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Random adults shouldn't get to hang around schools trying to recruit kids for anything. And if volunteers are found to be recruiting kids for churches, they should be banned from any public schools property. I would be so ripshit pissed off if this happened at my daughter's school.
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Hey, can I go in and talk to the kids about atheism and/or skepticism? I like dodgeball as much as any fundie. Seeing as they are all about "equal time" and everything...
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It is interesting how Ms Matsen avoids answering if the pastor is an apostle. And If I attended other churches in the community I might be offended by the inference that her church is "different" from other churches in the community because their members are "actually caring". Does she think people would actually claim her church was a cult simply because they "care" about people?
Her church has taught that people should renounce their parents authority in their lives and, instead, submit to a "spiritual parent". She never mentioned how the church teaches something called "covenant relationships" or "Honoring" a practice where members compete with each other to bestow gifts and money on the apostle and the prophetess in order to show how deep their "honor" runs for the leaders. Nor did she mention that her apostle and his wife claim that God "speaks directly to them".
Her church has taught that people should renounce their parents authority in their lives and, instead, submit to a "spiritual parent". She never mentioned how the church teaches something called "covenant relationships" or "Honoring" a practice where members compete with each other to bestow gifts and money on the apostle and the prophetess in order to show how deep their "honor" runs for the leaders. Nor did she mention that her apostle and his wife claim that God "speaks directly to them".
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cults:
eh... most denominations think the other denomination is a cult. when the local almost-mega church convinced me to attend their youth group my catholic parents though i was being sucked into a cult (and were none-to-happy about it). of course the protestants said the catholic church was a cult. everyone said everyone else was a cult. they all said that god was more important than family, and that you had to tithe... etc... etc... etc...
eh... most denominations think the other denomination is a cult. when the local almost-mega church convinced me to attend their youth group my catholic parents though i was being sucked into a cult (and were none-to-happy about it). of course the protestants said the catholic church was a cult. everyone said everyone else was a cult. they all said that god was more important than family, and that you had to tithe... etc... etc... etc...
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I have been warning people about Turning Point Church since September 2008. They have a strange connection with Radiant Life Church in Sacramento California and the self appointed apostle Mr. Tony Cunningham.
I have been posting adamantly about this church and the counterfeit pastor they have running it He to claims to be an apostle…Yeah an apostle like Matthew, Mark Luke, John, Peter and Paul. And his wife is a prophetess. Oooh
The more and more we learn about Turning Point the more we discover how much of an embarrassment this church has become to the Christian community at large.
Do you people remember the TV ministry of Jim & Tammy Fay Baker? Remember how Saturday Night Live would do skits lampooning Tammy crying like a baby to show people that she cared then poke fun of her condescending arrogant attitude, and they would not stop with that, they would poke fun at how much make-up Tammy Fay would wear.
Well turning point, your becoming that same laughing joke!
No matter how good you felt having Tony visit your church.
No matter how good he made you feel sucking up to his self appointed apostleship and arrogant behavior.
The truth is being exposed!
That has been the prayer of those who oppose your false teachings Mr. Tony Cunningham that is our prayer Mr. Mike Villamor that you be exposed!
You cannot stop the truth!
I have been posting adamantly about this church and the counterfeit pastor they have running it He to claims to be an apostle…Yeah an apostle like Matthew, Mark Luke, John, Peter and Paul. And his wife is a prophetess. Oooh
The more and more we learn about Turning Point the more we discover how much of an embarrassment this church has become to the Christian community at large.
Do you people remember the TV ministry of Jim & Tammy Fay Baker? Remember how Saturday Night Live would do skits lampooning Tammy crying like a baby to show people that she cared then poke fun of her condescending arrogant attitude, and they would not stop with that, they would poke fun at how much make-up Tammy Fay would wear.
Well turning point, your becoming that same laughing joke!
No matter how good you felt having Tony visit your church.
No matter how good he made you feel sucking up to his self appointed apostleship and arrogant behavior.
The truth is being exposed!
That has been the prayer of those who oppose your false teachings Mr. Tony Cunningham that is our prayer Mr. Mike Villamor that you be exposed!
You cannot stop the truth!
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Also check out
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?14,61…
for more reading on what is going on at Turning Point
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?14,61…
for more reading on what is going on at Turning Point
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Why did they have the church receptionist respond to the journalist questions? Why not the pastor? Why is hiding behind his receptionist?
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I wonder if some people here would be so blasé if it were members of the Branch Davidian, People's Temple, the Unification Church or Heaven's Gate who were attempting to lure their kids into their "helpful" and "non-threatening" organizations behind the parent's backs? Proselytizing is proselytizing, no matter how subtle the technique.
And also, regarding post #32--I don't think it's at all comforting to be told how innocuous this group is by someone who was so completely drawn in by the tactics the group employs that she actually became part of the staff! Hearing that their efforts had that level of success in indoctrinating you would make me even more wary and concerned by their presence and influence.
And also, regarding post #32--I don't think it's at all comforting to be told how innocuous this group is by someone who was so completely drawn in by the tactics the group employs that she actually became part of the staff! Hearing that their efforts had that level of success in indoctrinating you would make me even more wary and concerned by their presence and influence.
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Turning Point is very unhealthy church as it is connected to the false apostle & prophet Tony Cunningham of Sacramento.
This is something that I posted back on page #150 of this thread.
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?14,68…
"To the angel of the church in SACRAMENTO Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.
Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate TONY CUNNINGHAM that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess AND APOSTLE. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.
I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she TONY is unwilling."
The spirit of Jezebel is arrogant and unwilling to repent.
Yes TONY CUNNINGHAM is that woman Jezebel, who calls himself a prophetess AND APOSTLE!!!
Likewise Cunningham shares his evil spirits with sycophants and spiritual sons and daughters like Mike and Cyndi Villamore at Turning Point church of Marysville Washington.
This is something that I posted back on page #150 of this thread.
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?14,68…
"To the angel of the church in SACRAMENTO Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.
Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate TONY CUNNINGHAM that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess AND APOSTLE. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.
I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she TONY is unwilling."
The spirit of Jezebel is arrogant and unwilling to repent.
Yes TONY CUNNINGHAM is that woman Jezebel, who calls himself a prophetess AND APOSTLE!!!
Likewise Cunningham shares his evil spirits with sycophants and spiritual sons and daughters like Mike and Cyndi Villamore at Turning Point church of Marysville Washington.
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The only thing these churches want is your MONEY! When will you understand that? That's how they got into your childs school, by offering the school principal money to "rent" their facilities( Supposedly for Sunday church services), but it never stops there.. It looks good on the school principals Balance Sheet when he/she submits it to the district and they always come in "Under Budget". It's how greedy principals get promoted! The school will tell the PRESS, when asked, that they "DIDN'T KNOW" this was happening, but they do. Go back into their records and you can find out WHO gave the OK if you look for signatures. So if you want to know how "cults" get close to your children?
That's how. Separation of church & state? Out the window...ANYTHING FOR MONEY!
That's how. Separation of church & state? Out the window...ANYTHING FOR MONEY!
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